90s:which system had the best selection of space shooters?

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#1 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

Was it the Mega Drive?

#2 Posted by Dj-Dampleaf (730 posts) -
If I stab you with a cross will you turn into dust?
#3 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

If I stab you with a cross will you turn into dust?Dj-Dampleaf

Nah,that only happens in movies.:P

I'll just laugh at you and stab you back.

Now how about a serious answer for once?

#4 Posted by Dj-Dampleaf (730 posts) -

[QUOTE="Dj-Dampleaf"]If I stab you with a cross will you turn into dust?GreekGameManiac

Nah,that only happens in movies.:P

I'll just laugh at you and stab you back.

Now how about a serious answer for once?

How about a series thread for once? What is this the 3rd space shooter thread involving the Mega Drive in a week? Also why do all shooters have to be in space? you could have stealth trolled by saying scrolling shooters instead. How about threads on things you don't know much about? Aboot?
#5 Posted by Shenmue_Jehuty (5208 posts) -

Probably either the Genesis or Japanese Saturn.

#6 Posted by Dj-Dampleaf (730 posts) -

Probably either the Genesis or Japanese Saturn.

Shenmue_Jehuty
In the 90's? Japanese Saturn? In the 90's? It's ok, if that's what you think Japanese Saturn it is.
#7 Posted by BarbaricAvatar (977 posts) -

The Colony Wars games on the PS1 were excellent. So good in fact that nothing on the PS2 ever came close.

#8 Posted by Heirren (19690 posts) -
SNES.
#9 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -
i'm surprised no one mentioned the PC engine, that thing was a SMHUP machine
#10 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

TurboGrafx-16 or Genesis. Not sure which one had more, but they both had shoot-em ups in spades.

#11 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (23995 posts) -
SNES. Heirren
i lol'd genesis TF3/4 musha except i don't even like shmups but those 2 are fun
#12 Posted by Shenmue_Jehuty (5208 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

Probably either the Genesis or Japanese Saturn.

Dj-Dampleaf

In the 90's? Japanese Saturn? In the 90's? It's ok, if that's what you think Japanese Saturn it is.

There seems to be some confusion. Why wasn't the Japanese Saturn good for space shooters, it had plenty?

#13 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

[QUOTE="Dj-Dampleaf"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

Probably either the Genesis or Japanese Saturn.

Shenmue_Jehuty

In the 90's? Japanese Saturn? In the 90's? It's ok, if that's what you think Japanese Saturn it is.

There seems to be some confusion. Why wasn't the Japanese Saturn good for space shooters, it had plenty?

Yeah,what are you guys on about?

#14 Posted by Shenmue_Jehuty (5208 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Dj-Dampleaf"] In the 90's? Japanese Saturn? In the 90's? It's ok, if that's what you think Japanese Saturn it is.GreekGameManiac

There seems to be some confusion. Why wasn't the Japanese Saturn good for space shooters, it had plenty?

Yeah,what are you guys on about?

I wish I could tell you. From what I gather Dampleaf either doesn't believe the japanese Saturn has a lot of good space shooters or the Saturn wasn't a 90s system. I'm confused lol

#15 Posted by Arach666 (23042 posts) -
Either the Saturn of the Mega Drive,though if we´re talking of space shooters in a more broader sense(instead of just horizontal/vertical shmups) then the PC also had a ton of them.
#16 Posted by Heirren (19690 posts) -
Star Fox, UN Squadron, RType, Gradius, Cybernator, Metal Warroirs, Space Mega Force, and Darius are just a few of the reasons it's the snes. Star Fox, c'mon, are you kidding me?
#17 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

Star Fox, UN Squadron, RType, Gradius, Cybernator, Metal Warroirs, Space Mega Force, and Darius are just a few of the reasons it's the snes. Star Fox, c'mon, are you kidding me?Heirren
starfox isn't a shmup

space mega force is amongst the weakest of compile's games imo

and aren't r-type and gradius slowdown-ridden?

really, when it comes to SHMUPS, the SNES is merely "okay" imo, it's two best games being UN Squadron and Axelay

#18 Posted by Caseytappy (2188 posts) -

starfox isn't a shmup

really, when it comes to SHMUPS, the SNES is merely "okay" imo, it's two best games being UN Squadron and Axelay

rilpas

Who is talking about Shmups ?

Most shmups aren't even space shooters .

If this is about Shmups which is weird because I never see anyone call them space shooter in the shmup scene than it's the Saturn by a large margin and the Playstation as a good second .

#19 Posted by Heirren (19690 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Star Fox, UN Squadron, RType, Gradius, Cybernator, Metal Warroirs, Space Mega Force, and Darius are just a few of the reasons it's the snes. Star Fox, c'mon, are you kidding me?rilpas

starfox isn't a shmup

space mega force is amongst the weakest of compile's games imo

and aren't r-type and gradius slowdown-ridden?

really, when it comes to SHMUPS, the SNES is merely "okay" imo, it's two best games being UN Squadron and Axelay

Star Fox isn't a space shooter? Yeah, alright.
#20 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Star Fox, UN Squadron, RType, Gradius, Cybernator, Metal Warroirs, Space Mega Force, and Darius are just a few of the reasons it's the snes. Star Fox, c'mon, are you kidding me?Heirren

starfox isn't a shmup

space mega force is amongst the weakest of compile's games imo

and aren't r-type and gradius slowdown-ridden?

really, when it comes to SHMUPS, the SNES is merely "okay" imo, it's two best games being UN Squadron and Axelay

Star Fox isn't a space shooter? Yeah, alright.

nice twist of words there

but as I said, Stafox is not a SHMUP

if you want space shooters, then technically, U.N. squadron isn't one because it's not set in space

#21 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

starfox isn't a shmup

really, when it comes to SHMUPS, the SNES is merely "okay" imo, it's two best games being UN Squadron and Axelay

Caseytappy

Who is talking about Shmups ?

Most shmups aren't even space shooters .

If this is about Shmups which is weird because I never see anyone call them space shooter in the shmup scene than it's the Saturn by a large margin and the Playstation as a good second .

well the TC said "space shooters" but then asked if the megadrive was the best console for them.

the closest thing I can think of that the genesis might have to space shooters are SHMUPS

#22 Posted by Renegade_Fury (17731 posts) -

Genesis (+CD) and Saturn because of MUSHA, Robo Aleste, Thunder Force II/III/IV/V/Gold Pack I &II, Galactic Attack, Gaiares, Whip Rush, Darius Gaiden, etc.

#23 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

I'm the only guy that has mentioned TG-16. Wow. I think it has more than Saturn from what I've seen, and it could compete with the Genesis for the title (though I'm not sure which had more).

#24 Posted by Nanomage (2335 posts) -
The Genesis and the Saturn by far as far as consoles are concerned.
#25 Posted by MrYaotubo (2798 posts) -
Either the Saturn of the Mega Drive,though if we´re talking of space shooters in a more broader sense(instead of just horizontal/vertical shmups) then the PC also had a ton of them.Arach666
Pretty much this,certainly not the Snes.
#26 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

I'm the only guy that has mentioned TG-16. Wow. I think it has more than Saturn from what I've seen, and it could compete with the Genesis for the title (though I'm not sure which had more).

Emerald_Warrior

nope, I mentioned it before you :P

#27 Posted by Renegade_Fury (17731 posts) -

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Either the Saturn of the Mega Drive,though if we´re talking of space shooters in a more broader sense(instead of just horizontal/vertical shmups) then the PC also had a ton of them.MrYaotubo
Pretty much this,certainly not the Snes.

Yeah, I also agree with all of this. If we're not talking about shmups, then the PC gets my vote because of Tie Fighter, X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, and Wing Commander.

#28 Posted by Norman-Mckenzie (25 posts) -
i would say NEO GEO because of the horsepower. alpha mission ii is superb
#29 Posted by Caseytappy (2188 posts) -

If we are talking just about 2D shmups the Saturn has over 50 .

#30 Posted by doubutsuteki (2905 posts) -

space mega force is amongst the weakest of compile's games imo

rilpas

Amongst the weakest of their shmups, yeah.

and aren't r-type and gradius slowdown-ridden?

Gradius III and R-Type, yes. R-Type III runs smoothly.

#31 Posted by bultje112 (1867 posts) -

sega saturn

#32 Posted by bultje112 (1867 posts) -

SNES. Heirren

nintendo fanboy/troll alert

#33 Posted by bultje112 (1867 posts) -

Star Fox, UN Squadron, RType, Gradius, Cybernator, Metal Warroirs, Space Mega Force, and Darius are just a few of the reasons it's the snes. Star Fox, c'mon, are you kidding me?Heirren

mother of god, we are talking about shoot'm ups

not to mention. half of that list is nothing special. including star fox

#34 Posted by bultje112 (1867 posts) -

I'm the only guy that has mentioned TG-16. Wow. I think it has more than Saturn from what I've seen, and it could compete with the Genesis for the title (though I'm not sure which had more).

Emerald_Warrior

quantity is not quality. the saturn had more quality shooters than pc-engine. that also had a lot of junk. all in all I'd say saturn > pc engine > megadrive.

#35 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

I'm the only guy that has mentioned TG-16. Wow. I think it has more than Saturn from what I've seen, and it could compete with the Genesis for the title (though I'm not sure which had more).

bultje112

quantity is not quality. the saturn had more quality shooters than pc-engine. that also had a lot of junk. all in all I'd say saturn > pc engine > megadrive.

What do you mean no quality? Turbografx-16 had some fan-freaking-tastic shoot-em ups. Here's some of the better ones I know of:

  • 1943: Kai (best home version)
  • Blazing Lazers
  • Cloud Master (best home version)
  • Dragon Spirit (best home version)
  • Gradius (best version (even better than the arcade))
  • Lords of Thunder (one of my all-time favorite games, simply amazing)
  • R-Type (best home version)
  • Raiden (best home version)
  • Sidearms
  • Soldier Blade
  • Super Star Soldier (another one of my all-time favotires)
#36 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

I'm the only guy that has mentioned TG-16. Wow. I think it has more than Saturn from what I've seen, and it could compete with the Genesis for the title (though I'm not sure which had more).

Emerald_Warrior

quantity is not quality. the saturn had more quality shooters than pc-engine. that also had a lot of junk. all in all I'd say saturn > pc engine > megadrive.

What do you mean no quality? Turbografx-16 had some fan-freaking-tastic shoot-em ups. Here's some of the better ones I know of:

  • 1943: Kai (best home version)
  • Blazing Lazers
  • Cloud Master (best home version)
  • Dragon Spirit (best home version)
  • Gradius (best version (even better than the arcade))
  • Lords of Thunder (one of my all-time favorite games, simply amazing)
  • R-Type (best home version)
  • Raiden (best home version)
  • Sidearms
  • Soldier Blade
  • Super Star Soldier (another one of my all-time favotires)

don't forget Gate of Thunder and Soldier blade, two of the best SHMUPS ever made

#37 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

quantity is not quality. the saturn had more quality shooters than pc-engine. that also had a lot of junk. all in all I'd say saturn > pc engine > megadrive.

rilpas

What do you mean no quality? Turbografx-16 had some fan-freaking-tastic shoot-em ups. Here's some of the better ones I know of:

  • 1943: Kai (best home version)
  • Blazing Lazers
  • Cloud Master (best home version)
  • Dragon Spirit (best home version)
  • Gradius (best version (even better than the arcade))
  • Lords of Thunder (one of my all-time favorite games, simply amazing)
  • R-Type (best home version)
  • Raiden (best home version)
  • Sidearms
  • Soldier Blade
  • Super Star Soldier (another one of my all-time favotires)

don't forget Gate of Thunder and Soldier blade, two of the best SHMUPS ever made

Never heard of Gate of Thunder, I'll have to check it out. And I did remember Soldier Blade. My love for shoot-em ups started with Star Soldier on the NES, so I love that entire series.

#38 Posted by StatusShuffle (1908 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]SNES. bultje112

nintendo fanboy/troll alert

Wait, Gradius 3 Strike Gunner S.T.G Darius Twin Space Megaforce Vortex Super Nova Acrobat Mission Biometal only some examples of great SNES Shmups and all are space shooters or cross/planet shooters involving space.
#39 Posted by Nanomage (2335 posts) -

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]SNES. StatusShuffle

nintendo fanboy/troll alert

Wait, Gradius 3 Strike Gunner S.T.G Darius Twin Space Megaforce Vortex Super Nova Acrobat Mission Biometal only some examples of great SNES Shmups and all are space shooters or cross/planet shooters involving space.

But overall it doesn´t even come close to what the genesis and the saturn have,I mean,I can make an argument and say that the genesis is the console with the best RPG´s(in comparison with the SNES)and list games like:

Phantasy Star 2,3 and 4
Shining Force 1 and 2
Shining in the Darkness
Sword of Vermillion
Landstalker
Fatal Labyrinth
Pier Solar
Soleil
Beyond Oasis
Warsong
Langrisser

I mean,you get the jist of it,but that still doesn´t mean that it´s better than the SNES selection,just like the SNES isn´t even close to the genesis(ket alone the saturn)in terms of shmups.

#40 Posted by StatusShuffle (1908 posts) -

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

nintendo fanboy/troll alert

Nanomage

Wait, Gradius 3 Strike Gunner S.T.G Darius Twin Space Megaforce Vortex Super Nova Acrobat Mission Biometal only some examples of great SNES Shmups and all are space shooters or cross/planet shooters involving space.

But overall it doesn´t even come close to what the genesis and the saturn have,I mean,I can make an argument and say that the genesis is the console with the best RPG´s(in comparison with the SNES)and list games like:

Phantasy Star 2,3 and 4
Shining Force 1 and 2
Shining in the Darkness
Sword of Vermillion
Landstalker
Fatal Labyrinth
Pier Solar
Soleil
Beyond Oasis
Warsong
Langrisser

I mean,you get the jist of it,but that still doesn´t mean that it´s better than the SNES selection,just like the SNES isn´t even close to the genesis(ket alone the saturn)in terms of shmups.

What the heck does the Genesis have in terms of Space shooters? The TG-16 has tons of space shooters the genesis/ not even close, the SNES and Genesis are comparable for space shooters. Also you list included 2 games that are not even official and are homebrew for rpgs. Look at comparisons here SNES: Gradius 3 Strike Gunner S.T.G Darius Twin Space Megaforce Vortex Super Nova Acrobat Mission Biometal BlaZeon Phlanx(Which has levels in space) Raiden trad(which has a level in space) Super R-type Earth Defense Force Genesis: Zerowing Thunder Force 2 Thunder Force 3 Truxton Eliminate Down Arrow Flash Dangerous Seed Space Harrier II Viewpoint Target Earth And uhhh, yeah don't see that large advantage in Space Shmups that's so large you and bultje112 are implying.
#41 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

Genesis:
Zerowing
Thunder Force 2
Thunder Force 3
Truxton
Eliminate Down
Arrow Flash
Dangerous Seed
Space Harrier II
Viewpoint
Target EarthStatusShuffle

You're leaving some of the best ones out of that list, though:

  • Forgotten Worlds
  • Gaiares
  • Lightening Force
  • MUSHA
  • Phelios
  • Raiden Trad
  • Twin Cobra
  • Whip Rush
#42 Posted by Nanomage (2335 posts) -

What the heck does the Genesis have in terms of Space shooters? The TG-16 has tons of space shooters the genesis/ not even close, the SNES and Genesis are comparable for space shooters. Also you list included 2 games that are not even official and are homebrew for rpgs. Look at comparisons here SNES: Gradius 3 Strike Gunner S.T.G Darius Twin Space Megaforce Vortex Super Nova Acrobat Mission Biometal BlaZeon Phlanx(Which has levels in space) Raiden trad(which has a level in space) Super R-type Earth Defense Force Genesis: Zerowing Thunder Force 2 Thunder Force 3 Truxton Eliminate Down Arrow Flash Dangerous Seed Space Harrier II Viewpoint Target Earth And uhhh, yeah don't see that large advantage in Space Shmups that's so large you and bultje112 are implying.StatusShuffle

The RPG´s that I listed were just as an example,I could´ve very well used this

http://www.listal.com/list/rpg-world-genesis-mega

since there´s no homebrew ones there,but again,it was just made as an example,and you´re forgwetting a ton of shmups on the genesis with that list,quite a few of them emerald already posted,and that´s not even the extent of them all.

And it´s not just a matter of numbers,it´s also a matter quality.

Also,listing games that only have "one level in space" or "a few" is just some serious reaching to buff the snes list lol.

#43 Posted by Dj-Dampleaf (730 posts) -
[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

There seems to be some confusion. Why wasn't the Japanese Saturn good for space shooters, it had plenty?

Yeah,what are you guys on about?

I wish I could tell you. From what I gather Dampleaf either doesn't believe the japanese Saturn has a lot of good space shooters or the Saturn wasn't a 90s system. I'm confused lol

I am still to this moment confused at what we are listing. Are we listing SHMUPS or Space Shooters? because GGM has made several Space Shooter threads talking about only space. So are we in space or what are we doing I am lost lol.
#44 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"]Genesis:
Zerowing
Thunder Force 2
Thunder Force 3
Truxton
Eliminate Down
Arrow Flash
Dangerous Seed
Space Harrier II
Viewpoint
Target EarthEmerald_Warrior

You're leaving some of the best ones out of that list, though:

  • Forgotten Worlds
  • Gaiares
  • Lightening Force
  • MUSHA
  • Phelios
  • Raiden Trad
  • Twin Cobra
  • Whip Rush

a few more:

  • Wings of Wor
  • Gley Lancer
  • Steel Empire
  • Grind Stormer
  • Trouble Shooter
  • Raiden Trad
  • Twinkle Tale
  • Undead Line
  • Elemental Master
  • Fire Shark

Never heard of Gate of Thunder, I'll have to check it out. And I did remember Soldier Blade. My love for shoot-em ups started with Star Soldier on the NES, so I love that entire series.

Emerald_Warrior

Gate of Thunder was the prequel to lords of thunder and was the pack in game for the Turbo Duo in the US (part of a 3-in-1 compilation)

#45 Posted by Heirren (19690 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="rilpas"]starfox isn't a shmup

space mega force is amongst the weakest of compile's games imo

and aren't r-type and gradius slowdown-ridden?

really, when it comes to SHMUPS, the SNES is merely "okay" imo, it's two best games being UN Squadron and Axelay

rilpas

Star Fox isn't a space shooter? Yeah, alright.

nice twist of words there

but as I said, Stafox is not a SHMUP

if you want space shooters, then technically, U.N. squadron isn't one because it's not set in space

Twist of words? The title of the topic is "SPACE SHOOTERS"! ...and you make it close enough to space in UN Squadron.
#46 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

I'm pretty sure that it was intended to be shmups. I've heard plenty of people use the term "space shooter" or "space-ship shooter" when describing shmups.

#47 Posted by Heirren (19690 posts) -

I'm pretty sure that it was intended to be shmups. I've heard plenty of people use the term "space shooter" or "space-ship shooter" when describing shmups.

Emerald_Warrior
Sorry dude, you're shooting in fcking space. Even still, it is a similar concept regardless.
#48 Posted by Shenmue_Jehuty (5208 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

Yeah,what are you guys on about?

Dj-Dampleaf

I wish I could tell you. From what I gather Dampleaf either doesn't believe the japanese Saturn has a lot of good space shooters or the Saturn wasn't a 90s system. I'm confused lol

I am still to this moment confused at what we are listing. Are we listing SHMUPS or Space Shooters? because GGM has made several Space Shooter threads talking about only space. So are we in space or what are we doing I am lost lol.

HAHA! Let's just assume he is talking about SHMUPS that at some point take place in space :p

#49 Posted by Heirren (19690 posts) -

[QUOTE="Dj-Dampleaf"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I wish I could tell you. From what I gather Dampleaf either doesn't believe the japanese Saturn has a lot of good space shooters or the Saturn wasn't a 90s system. I'm confused lol

Shenmue_Jehuty

I am still to this moment confused at what we are listing. Are we listing SHMUPS or Space Shooters? because GGM has made several Space Shooter threads talking about only space. So are we in space or what are we doing I am lost lol.

HAHA! Let's just assume he is talking about SHMUPS that at some point take place in space :p

That opens a gate for many other games, though. Plus I like his genres.
#50 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] Star Fox isn't a space shooter? Yeah, alright.Heirren

nice twist of words there

but as I said, Stafox is not a SHMUP

if you want space shooters, then technically, U.N. squadron isn't one because it's not set in space

Twist of words? The title of the topic is "SPACE SHOOTERS"! ...and you make it close enough to space in UN Squadron.

*sighs* I forgot who I was arguing with

and I love how you manage to contradict yourself so much, so now UN squadron is close enough? oh well then why don't we include sonic 2 and 3 on the Genesis list? I mean you have space levels, and there are robots shooting at you... CLOSE ENOUGH