PGR, snore.... BTW do not compare a prologue to a full game version that would be short-sighted

Downloaded it through PS Network and you know what I think? There might never be a driving game that can surpass the GT franchise. PGR is now officially a bargain bin item.

i might get tgis today since i can get it for just 17 squid.

Hey hey, his words, not mine. He's bound to say something like that about a rival game to his own anyway. I don't know about Forza, I've never played it, but I do think GT5 will eventually be a very very good game.

Forza2 Lacks quality? mabe the grafix could be better but thats it, and the grafixs are good, but there is improvement to be made. Forza2 is the first RPG racing sim, and its good regardless of GT5. I own both games and can promise you that where GT5 Prologue is at the moment, its not a patch on Forza2 in any department other than lighting and replays. I'm sure GT5 will improve but as it stands its not ready to take on Forza2.

Well the link is basically an interview with the game's creator, Kazunori Yamauchi. In it he talks about, among other things, damage, and how it will take a long time, but will be in GT5. He also mentions how the PSP version is STILL in development, and how he can't play Forza for too long as he "can't stand the lack of quality"! He also mentions more interfacing online, with car clubs and racing teams etc. There's still a long left to go before the final game, and I hope they take their time.

About prologue being a nearly finished game, he says that's just the best they can put out at the moment, but there will be a major update before the final release, including damage and community features.

Woofdog2 I looked and i can't get the link to work. I don't think damage will happen, sony have lied so much with PS3 i just don't believe them anymore. Every car takes a month just to draw with no damage, the fact that they are having 700 cars in the game indicates to me that damage will not be present, it would take too long to draw damage for 700 cars with only 1 yr left. Also they never called this a demo they called it Prologue which to me means nearly finished game as in the actual game, all there adding now is content. I hope i'm proved wrong as i want GT5 to be great, but i'm not going to fanboy and pretend its the greatest racing game ever!

n3ck, there will be damage in GT5 final

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=130180

Interview with Kazunori Yamauchi

I think it looks amazing, N3ck you need to chill. The Graphics are the best I think I have ever seen on a racing game.

I think gamespot were quite generous giving it 7.5, I wouldn't even give it a 4. IGN WILL look stupid giving such a broken game 8.5, and to those who say its just a demo, YOUR PAYING MONEY FOR IT, YOU RATE IT LIKE ANY OTHER GAME YOU PAY MONEY FOR.

A good fix for the GT junkie.

Ok, I'm not getting to much into the demo debate. It is what it is, it's priced how it's priced. It's either worth paying to you, or it's not. Dry you eye, and drink your juice.

I for one have some really mixed feelings about this. The game is beautiful, not questioning that. As someone who always used the in-car view since GT1, I am so stoked about the in-CAR in-car view they've added.

I can't tell if it's just the fact that you can watch how much lock you are dialling in, or if they've just spent some time calibrating the steering sensitivity to cater for a joypad just as much as a wheel, but it's a lot easier to be smooth in the corners. It's all good really.

And the on-line gives the series a lift in terms of the unpredictable nature of real 'drivers'. I was so entertained on my first spin around High Speed Ring, Where I couldn't even see the track at corner two for all the tyre smoke, then a car suddenly rolls backwards across the track, and I narrowly missed it on the right hand side before swinging left hard on the breaks to get around the corner - ace! You never get that from the in game AI.

Downsides?

Really, my only complaint wih the game (aside from the fact that my home page calendar seems to have stopped on 4th Apr - anyone else?) is the way the online racing works.

First (and biggest mistake), you can not choose who you race against. Friend lists be damned, you choose a track to race on. Click the button and it will allocate you to a random grid of strangers before kicking you back out to the track select screen. No rematches guaranteed if you narrowly lost out, or someone spun you off the track. No owning your mates with your mad-racin'-skillz, nowt. Aside from the bad driving I've seen on there, you may as well be racing against the computer again. This is poor, and something I genuinely hope gets addressed - either by download update or in the final product. In fact because of that deficiency in the social on line game this keeps losing out to CoD4 for my evening gaming, even though I prefer driving games to an FPS.

Second gripe. It's also about the online, and it's the crazy physics that come in to play, attempting to give everyone a better racing experience. This consists of two things:

A) 'power loss' penalties if you either, unfairly hit an opponent, or if you hit the barriers hard.

B) temporary removal of collision physics, for cars the system deem to be driving erratically - so for example if you spin mid corner while surrounded by other people, you can 'ghost' right through them, rather than wipe out half of the field and be hated for ever (well, the next two minutes, until the race finishes and you never see any of these people again).

Now surely this is all very good right? Can't go barging people off the track and sleep at night can you? Don't want your driving mistakes to cost someone else?

Wrong!

Don't take this the wrong way, I can see what they are trying to do, and appreciate why they are trying to do it. It's just the the excecution is nothing short of pants.

My reasons for this are at least threefold:

Scenario 1: Coming into a sharp corner, the person behind me misses their braking point, locks up and skids. On goes the ghost physics, so they overtake me by driving right through my car. They skid right across the track, and manage to scuff the barrier with less force than it takes to invoke the power loss penalty, and then the barrier scoops them round and on to the straight with more speed than if they'd just driven the corner properly. That might be fun if you are 12, but it's not racing.

Scenario 2: Racing last night, along the straight on high speed ring again. person gets just on my right rear 3/4s and then tries to come across to the left - may have been a mistake, may have been intended but they give me a nudge. I'm in and FR car, and they've just sent me into a full tilt slide. i try to correct it. Almost catch it, but ultimately fishtail it down the straight for a bit before it snaps me into the barrier - which invokes the power loss penalty, and then also imposes the no physics thing, so the person who caused my crash goes on unimpeded. By driving right through my car.

Scenario 3 Cornering, miss my breaking point, just tap the person in from of me enough to make them lose their line. The collision is not hard enough to slap the power loss penalty on me, but i've just put someone who was running in 1st place into the barrier on the second lap of a two lap race - no headset chat so I can't apologise. I felt bad, all the way to the finish line. Then pocketed their first place cash. Ho hum.

Oh, another one:

Scenario 4. You are aproaching a part of the track where the people ahead have just spun. there can be cars flying all over the place, and because of that they've all got the 'no physics' flicker going on. So you just drive ahead on your existing line, right? NO! The no physics think switches off just in time for you to T bone someone, and loose all your speed while firing them off down the track without having to accelerate.

You know what, I need to:

Shut my whinge.
Stop playing so much CoD.
Complete the A driving event, and get racing on the pro events:
I'mn hoping that will feature more people who just want a clean race.

NOTE:
Sorry for the stupidly long comment - They've just switched on my ability to leave comments, and I clearly need to vent.

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GT5 is well off the mark, all these fools saying its realistic probably never even driven a car in real life, grow up! its nothing like the real thing. Handling is wrong as hell, drifting is all wrong, crashes are a total joke, cant mod cars so the fastest car is the fastest end of, Online is TERRIBLE, cars jump , slowdown , game even crashes. This game deserves 7.0 at best. Really fake feel to the whole game. The final version should be better but this is basically it, there will not be any crash modeling as it takes a month to make one car without any crash physics. Forza2 is far superior in every way, the only thing GT5 has is grafix and replays, everything else is crap in GT5, except that things have moved on and GT is still living in the past on PS1.

WTF???
ONLY A 7.5???
I think gamespot is loosing there touch. serisely only 7.5???
IGN=8.5~ I can't trust gamespot anymore. they r a frking retardo

@Loucetios I have the game and you can read my review (currently most people agree with).

The high reviews of this game are wrong where as the 7 to 8 scores are right. As you mention the game looks awesome and is by far the best visuals on the cars in any racing game and i've played them all! But you only really appreciate them on the replays. The game is really limited and is just really a demo, one that is very repetative. So you could hardly give it a 9 score when there are only 30 events and 6 tracks. I assure you if they listen to the feedback the final version will be the best racing game ever, they have a year to improve it.

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Hi guys,

Just a heads up that the review is live over at: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/
granturismo5prologue/review.html

It's not appearing on the launch center just yet, but this will get fixed when the US team wakes up

And for those curious about our reviews process, you'll glean some insight in the new reviews blog, Under Review!
http://www.gamespot.com/news/blogs/
review-blog/909185210/index.html

Cheers,

Luke

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Again Gamespot Reviews below the average, a 7.5? Other reviewers said that the game pretty much makes u forget its not a full game, the only thing that gives it away is the track number, considering that Prologue has more cars than most full featured driving games is something to be commended, gamespot is 1 of 2 reviews(other one is 3D juegos, who shouldn't even count) who gave Prologue a bad review, the other reviews vary from 8 to 9 so far, whats with the underscaring gamespot?

Go 2 forums to read my GT Prologue review!