this is why pc gaming is dying

#1 Posted by chapel075 (94 posts) -

this is th buggiest software i have ever played coupled with complete morons for tech support is exactly why consoles are reigning supreme. it takes me a good hour to start the game everytime they patch nd when i do get in it sooo slow and no one knows what to do and yes i have a high end pc with high speed internet, so blizzard has ended pc gaming for me as i will never deal with this issue ever again

#2 Posted by erMonezza (355 posts) -

Online single player. 'Nuf said. It's like Blizzard put a gun on a PC and shot it. lol

#3 Posted by crognalsen (30 posts) -

So far I haven't had any issues logging in and the game is fairly bug free.  I think it's more that Windows is a fairly open OS that is vulnerable to viruses and also has a lot of different options for customization and software.  If you don't know what you are doing it can lead to a lot of issues regardless of how powerful your PC is.  I always do a clean install and optimize the OS to run optimally fast by configuring certain settings, installing certain software, not installing certain software, and avoiding things that may introduce a virus into the OS.  You also have to install drivers properly and it often helps to have a video card software of some kind like MSI Afterburner or EVGA Precision that controls fan speeds and things of that nature.  Also stay away from the porn on gaming/buisiness PCs.  :)

#4 Posted by GamerOuTLaWz (42 posts) -

whats ruining PC gaming is its **** player-base filled with humanity mistakes of hackers

#5 Posted by sirk1264 (5628 posts) -

I haven't had problems with the game and I've put in just over 18 hours. 

#6 Posted by MegaMatt91 (462 posts) -
Ive put in 150 hours and not a single issue.
#7 Posted by TheCaveRat (3672 posts) -
I put in 10 hours and got a refund, shouldn't have even pre-ordered when I knew that it wasn't from the same team as Diablo 2.
#8 Posted by bearcomputerrep (7 posts) -

How can you say that. 

This game is why PC Gaming is what it is and that is great. Diablo 3 has an immersive story along with easy gameplay making it one of todays top games. 

PC Gaming is not dying it is simply different. If you connect an XBox controller you have an XBox 360. Titles that don't make PC and are uniquely made for the "console world" are really not that great. 

Yes, I admit the "Metal Gear Solid" Series and the "God of War" series are fantastic, but how about "Half Life" Series which changed gaming forever and the "World of Warcraft" series which people cannot stop playing. How about the "Starcraft" series that is PC exclusive. 

You cannot say that PC gaming is dieing. It's just in competition with other consoles. The PC has more functions and better graphics. 

Actually, what do you think an XBox is? It's a PC. The Hard drive is a laptop hard drive - open it up and find out. It has a CPU and a GPU along with a Heatsink to keep it cool. The OS is simply called "firmware." 

In conclusion: Consoles are PC's - Read and do more research before you discuss something. 

- Daniel 

#9 Posted by Megotaku77 (418 posts) -

PC games aren't in competition with consoles.  Real gamers use PCs, poor people and little kids play consoles.  Its that simple.  PC titles are always superior to console titles EVERY time.  Better controls, better graphics, better user support (mods, steam, ventrilo, I could go on), cheaper games since consoles simply can't compete with Steam and the secondary market for consoles actually HURTS developers, whereas Steam HELPS developers.

Consoles have had a few advantages: good franchises (Metal Gear, God of War, Dark Souls) and as time goes on this becomes less and less the case.  They also are cheaper.

Let's take a great cross-platform title as an example:

Skyrim.  You play it on console and after prolonged save-files the game begins to crash and freeze regularly.  This simply DOESN'T happen on PC.  Why?  More RAM.  You know what else the PC has?  Mods.  Not only does the PC naturally have better graphics and faster load times, players ADD content for free, including new high-res textures, bug fixes, AI improvements, new areas or quests, monsters, items, the sky is the limit.  Can consoles compete with this?  Nope.

This isn't the only title either: Witcher 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Dragon Age: Origins, every FPS ever made (a mouse > analogue stick for precision aiming), every RTS ever made.  Whole genres worship at the altar of PC gaming: RTS, FPS, 3PS, MMORPGs.  No game can't be vastly improved by the use of a keyboard and a mouse, the same can't be said about porting to consoles.

PC gaming isn't dying.  Retail PC gaming is dying because there's no secondary market for PC games.  Digital PC gaming is exploding.  Real gamers will always choose PC.  You know how your PC is obsolete before you open the box?  Consoles are PCs.  That's why the PS3 only has 512 MB of RAM where my gaming PC has 16 GB, 32 times more RAM.  Consoles aren't dying but developers are getting fed up with hardware limitations, that's why titles like Witcher 2 takes a year to be released on console because of how badly they have to strip out the graphics, detail and dumb down the controls to make it barely functional on a crappy console.

 

#10 Posted by SythisTaru (567 posts) -

Sadly though, console still has better sound most of the time (ps3 specifically). Sometimes I just force myself to deal with the horrible jaggies and framerates on console games, just so I can get the best sound possible :P I think the amount of space blurays give ps3 devs to use also heps with them not compressing the audio nearly as much.

#11 Posted by SythisTaru (567 posts) -

Also, I agree with alot, and for the most part I use my PC 95% of the time. But, I have to say that I'm someone who hates mouse and keyboard. I mean, I like the all the extra buttons on my razor naga, and it does help alot in certain games. But I just feel like a controller is more immersive for many games. Luckily, more and more games are getting 360 controller support, so you can have the best of both worlds on PC.

#12 Posted by N0tYrBeezin (6902 posts) -

this is th buggiest software i have ever played coupled with complete morons for tech support is exactly why consoles are reigning supreme. it takes me a good hour to start the game everytime they patch nd when i do get in it sooo slow and no one knows what to do and yes i have a high end pc with high speed internet, so blizzard has ended pc gaming for me as i will never deal with this issue ever again

chapel075
Welcome to the year 2000! PC gaming has been dying ever since and is now in its death bed. There will be no more PC games coming out. Be sure that you copy your post and get ready to paste it again in 2030.
#13 Posted by Frosty192 (1054 posts) -

Actually PC gaming is increasing in popularity. Do some research before you post this garbage. Thanks!

#14 Posted by MegaMatt91 (462 posts) -
[QUOTE="chapel075"]

this is th buggiest software i have ever played coupled with complete morons for tech support is exactly why consoles are reigning supreme. it takes me a good hour to start the game everytime they patch nd when i do get in it sooo slow and no one knows what to do and yes i have a high end pc with high speed internet, so blizzard has ended pc gaming for me as i will never deal with this issue ever again

N0tYrBeezin
Welcome to the year 2000! PC gaming has been dying ever since and is now in its death bed. There will be no more PC games coming out. Be sure that you copy your post and get ready to paste it again in 2030.

Urgh. So much annoyance here. WOW alone has 10 million user EVERY month. That is more than years worth of PS3 exclusives.
#15 Posted by MegaMatt91 (462 posts) -
[QUOTE="chapel075"]

this is th buggiest software i have ever played coupled with complete morons for tech support is exactly why consoles are reigning supreme. it takes me a good hour to start the game everytime they patch nd when i do get in it sooo slow and no one knows what to do and yes i have a high end pc with high speed internet, so blizzard has ended pc gaming for me as i will never deal with this issue ever again

N0tYrBeezin
Welcome to the year 2000! PC gaming has been dying ever since and is now in its death bed. There will be no more PC games coming out. Be sure that you copy your post and get ready to paste it again in 2030.

Urgh. So much annoyance here. WOW alone has 10 million user EVERY month. That is more than years worth of PS3 exclusives.
#16 Posted by dzimm (4651 posts) -

this is th buggiest software i have ever playedchapel075

I see comments like this about Diablo 3, and my only conclusion is that you are in the enviable position of having only ever played the absolute best of the best that gaming has to offer if you can look at one of the most polished new releases currently on the market and legitimate declare it "the buggiest software I have ever played".

#17 Posted by Shiftfallout (2635 posts) -

this is th buggiest software i have ever played coupled with complete morons for tech support is exactly why consoles are reigning supreme. it takes me a good hour to start the game everytime they patch nd when i do get in it sooo slow and no one knows what to do and yes i have a high end pc with high speed internet, so blizzard has ended pc gaming for me as i will never deal with this issue ever again

chapel075

 

Now that is silly. I agree Diablo 3 is over all a horrible product, one that Blizzard should be utterly ashamed of... but it has nothing to do with the over all success of PC gaming.

In fact, PC gaming is on the rise, its growing... not dying. Diablo 3 does not represent the entire sum of the PC gaming industry either. Blizzard, regardless of quality of product still made profit off of it.

I would argue that console gaming is actually more likely to die out faster or at least diminish more than PC gaming. Why? Because consoles keep hitting their technological limits. Publishers have to take a loss for both hardware sold, and developers have to take a hit for the fees associated with developing on a console system. Add to the fact that 75% (give or take) of the losses a publisher faces yearly is due to the used game market WHICH only exist on consoles. Thats right. Buying used console games is far far more damaging than piracy, which is still rampant on both consoles and PCs. PC games have less restrictions to boot and like mmorpgs, show great success in terms of overall internaional sales and accounts.

Console gaming cant keep doing business the way its doing business, publishers have more incentive than ever to develope for PCs, especially when online elements are present.

 

#19 Posted by LUCKENBILL56 (14 posts) -

Seems to me per an article I read. PC sales have trumped console sales since 2009. However, there has been a change in the predicted numbers for 2012 with console games selling better and the numbers are expected to continue into Xmas 2012. The biggest issue I believe affects all PC gamers is when a new title is about to be released. What is the first question asked? Will the game run on my rig. I purchased a very high end PC from Falcon NW 9 years ago and with a couple of addon replacments I have been able to play anything I wanted for years. Nevertheless, I will not or will I ever play a game online and this stand does not bother me. Other gamers it would most certainly. Personally I feel online gaming is the biggest rip off since Brinks, but to each his own. Therefore, I also own a PS3. I played DA ultimate edition on PC and PS3. I found the game had pros and cons on both systems. In my opinion games are made for the console or PC. Tis the nature of the biz. I find game play for Skyrim easier on the PS3, but thats me. Again referring back to Diablo 3 an example of the real crux of the problem. You HAVE TO PLAY ONLINE and this befuddles me? Why do gamers get so angry about the online game only play? I played both earlier Diablos and decided I won't be buying this one. It's that simple. Gaming in the last few years is moving away from the fun factor. Into addiction for some. Well almost. I digress to play D3 a good high end machine is recommended. Again the age old question. Will my PC run this sucker. If not? Possiblity of an upgrade or a new computer? Consoles are good because if it says PS3 on the box. NO worries. Buy a new PC game and first thing we have to refer to system requirements. Consoles are cheaper in the long run. Are they better? No, but they have a more consistent shelf life. A high end PC will always out perform a console, but with a console you get what you pay for and system requirements are never an issue. Then again. To each or her own.

#20 Posted by LUCKENBILL56 (14 posts) -
Hi, D3 may be wondeful or not, but Blizzard is smart. They know there are people playing games that will HAVE TO HAVE & PLAY Diablo3. Those of us who have played D, D2 and don't want to be online. Thus, we don't play. No big loss for Blizz they are making money hand over fist. The happy D3 players out number the dissatisfied 4 to 1 or maybe I am being conservative in my estimate, Complaining about Diablo 3 is a waste of time. Simply don't play. For the record it's only a game and in the travels of life it is so unimportant. Well, you get my drift. I do believe Blizzard is running somewhat of a scam with this auction house gimmick, but it's their baby. Customers don't purchase a product then things happen. In this case. Not enough people stayed away to make a difference. In Blizzards situation they don't really care pro or con as they head to the bank and unfortunately or forutunately for them that is the name of the game. Money.
#21 Posted by Richard841 (235 posts) -

Don't blame blizzard for online single player, blame the people who hack and pirate games they are the reason why blizzard did this.

Online single player. 'Nuf said. It's like Blizzard put a gun on a PC and shot it. lol

erMonezza

Don't blame blizzard for the online single player, blame the people who hack and pirate games they are the reason why blizzard did this. Also remember that you can sell items in game for real money so if people were to hack the game it could be disasterous. A game where you can sell stuff for real money NEEDS to be online always for security reasons. I'm not trying to defend the game or anything but people need to understand these key points.

#23 Posted by Megotaku77 (418 posts) -

Don't blame blizzard for the online single player, blame the people who hack and pirate games they are the reason why blizzard did this. Also remember that you can sell items in game for real money so if people were to hack the game it could be disasterous. A game where you can sell stuff for real money NEEDS to be online always for security reasons. I'm not trying to defend the game or anything but people need to understand these key points.

Richard841

Its more than just anti-piracy. When you purchase a game at the store the company holds that you've given implied consent to the EULA, a practice that hasn't been accepted as valid in any court in the western world. When you log on to play your one-player game you give express consent by scrolling to the bottom of the EULA and clicking "accept", an infinitely more legally enforceable position on the EULA, but it still comes with the problem that agreeing to the EULA one time and then playing in offline mode means if they modify the EULA, you're back to unenforceable implied consent. Always-online single player means you have to agree to their EULA EVERY time you log in even to play one player mode, meaning they OWN your butt legally. Any modifications you make to the files (including simply adding high resolution textures) are now being tracked by big brother and grounds for the termination of not just your Diablo 3 copy, but your entire library of game licenses tied to your battle.net account.

This is why modders and fledgling developers HATE EA and Blizzard, because these companies are on all-out war against them using more and more punitive and restrictive DRMs to maintain industry control.

#24 Posted by Vambran (1920 posts) -

Piracy. Blame the people who pirate games. Cause if you took out piracy there would be no need for DRM of any kind. If you lock your door at night and still complain about DRM you are a hypocrite.

#25 Posted by Megotaku77 (418 posts) -

Piracy. Blame the people who pirate games. Cause if you took out piracy there would be no need for DRM of any kind. If you lock your door at night and still complain about DRM you are a hypocrite.

Vambran
Yes, there would still be a need for DRM if there was no piracy. The advantage of DRM from an industry standpoint was laid out in my previous post. DRM prevents people from making mods like hi-res textures, new units, and all of the wonderful creative things that came out of the Total War series, Fallout and Elder Scrolls series, and would stop things like Counter-strike, Team Fortress or Killing Floor from EVER being created giving Activision and Electronic Arts a full creative monopoly on their games.
#26 Posted by crognalsen (30 posts) -

DRM is less tedious for me than having to put a DVD into a disc drive when switching games.  The only major issue is getting all the games you want in the same place.  Personally I was acclimated to steam and perfectly happy with it before Origin came out.  Now you have to have two clients at least to play different games.  It's not a huge deal, but it's an annoyance like putting a DVD into your DVD drive.  I am a pretty active person exercise wise so I'm not that lazy, but it's nice to have all the games you purchase a click away.  I prefer that to the old way of doing things.  I feel a lot of people are happy with this way as well.  With Diablo 3 it doesn't bother me that much as the DRM runs directly through the game itself.  I don't really need to install any additional clients like Steam or Origin.  Hopefully one day the companies will have one digital retailer and sell all their games through that.  Overall I think companies are making pleanty of money off of PC games, but for some reason we have seen much effort to make quality PC games very often other then MMORPGs.  In reality PC games are better protected now then Console games in Many ways.  With a little effort most people can setup their XBOX 360 or PS3 to play pirated games even easier then you can on a PC.  With Blizzards version of DRM there really isn't a way to play without buying the game short of playing on someone server, but most of the time those servers have viruses of various kinds that are aimed at getting your money.