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hey WDs: Manajuma's Knife VS Black weapons (rares, Echoing or butchers)

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  • Nov 13, 2012 8:08 am GMT
    I understand that Manajuma's can roll better with crit, LS and a socket compared Echoing who cant have all 3 or butchers which is capped at 50 ish crit damage and slow attackspeed

    is that enough to offset that manajuma is elemental? meaning it gets like only 1/3 benefit from Zuni's boots, Tal's and SoJ?

    if you ask me its pretty stupid that a poison weapon gets less benefit from +% poison (or other elements) damage than a black weapon

    a manajuma's with the same stats as my butcher's sickle gives me less 20% dps because I use 3 +elemental items... how is that even working as intended?

    I understand that monks who use Inna's belt are in teh same situation as us

    for people that dont know what im talking about

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004443173
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  • Nov 13, 2012 8:14 am GMT
    good question I'm in the same situation as you


    I just switched to a butchers and while it does give a little less dmg I think the proc effect is nice
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  • Nov 13, 2012 8:19 am GMT
    Semi off topic but sort of along the lines. On that note if I have a soj or tal amulet with +cold and I'm using a black weapon and a skill that does physical (doesn't say does xxx DMG as poison/fire/etc) does it proc the chill effect? If so does it have to be a black weapon or does it have to be a non specific elemental attack?
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  • Nov 13, 2012 8:23 am GMT
    the chill from cold damage works for black weapons only and on skills that have no specific element like the barb's cleave and no Spirit barrage / soul harvest converts the damage as a "physical" element no matter what, so chill effect will never proc on it like how rain of toads changes everything to poison
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  • Nov 13, 2012 8:27 am GMT
    Wait so physical doesn't count.. so lame and unfair if anything physical should be what procs it.
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  • Nov 13, 2012 8:52 am GMT
    SyxxPakk6 posted...
    Wait so physical doesn't count.. so lame and unfair if anything physical should be what procs it.


    if they did that Sprint like the wind from barbs would be even more OP with that chill effect
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  • Nov 13, 2012 8:57 am GMT
    True still seems weird that 95% of all skills will not benefit from the effect. They need to reinstate effects for other elements.
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  • Nov 13, 2012 10:40 am GMT
    kukingina2 posted...
    the chill from cold damage works for black weapons only and on skills that have no specific element like the barb's cleave and no Spirit barrage / soul harvest converts the damage as a "physical" element no matter what, so chill effect will never proc on it like how rain of toads changes everything to poison


    wait so rain of toads will never get a chill effect? I know fear and life steal work on it but what else doesn't work
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  • Nov 13, 2012 10:42 am GMT
    AllHailTheDead6 posted...
    kukingina2 posted...
    the chill from cold damage works for black weapons only and on skills that have no specific element like the barb's cleave and no Spirit barrage / soul harvest converts the damage as a "physical" element no matter what, so chill effect will never proc on it like how rain of toads changes everything to poison


    wait so rain of toads will never get a chill effect? I know fear and life steal work on it but what else doesn't work


    if its stuff like % chance to chill it will.... if its just from +cold damage it wont
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  • Nov 13, 2012 10:44 am GMT
    I'm not sure about the chill effect but Rain of toads procs freeze like there's no tomorrow.
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  • Nov 13, 2012 10:45 am GMT
    kukingina2 posted...
    AllHailTheDead6 posted...
    kukingina2 posted...
    the chill from cold damage works for black weapons only and on skills that have no specific element like the barb's cleave and no Spirit barrage / soul harvest converts the damage as a "physical" element no matter what, so chill effect will never proc on it like how rain of toads changes everything to poison


    wait so rain of toads will never get a chill effect? I know fear and life steal work on it but what else doesn't work


    if its stuff like % chance to chill it will.... if its just from +cold damage it wont

    There you go!
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