Will LMG's ever be a viable option again?

fatclemenza posted...

From: Krazoa2 | #040

Bipod
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From: JDM_Jev | #011

or get this - you could just stand and fire using an assault rifle since a heavy barrel base 0.2 spread assault rifle is just as accurate as an M60E4 on a bipod.

And this works across the entire map while letting you hold down the RT for fun?
Oh....no.......
Bipod.

Honestly, thinking LMGs arent viable means you're bad at this game. Doesnt matter who you're playing against.

JDM_Jev posted...

Thinking LMGs are good means you're beyond garbage at this game, as even the worst publord doesn't pretend that the assault class isn't better than every class in any role at any range.

"Publord" is exactly you guys' issue.
I also like how you just said Assault's the best class to take out a Jet or Tank while on foot.

Cry more about the game to **** it up even worse as you have been since it came out.

SwimmingToaster posted...

He actually thinks that C4 is a good strategy for killing vehicles.

Look at him! Look at him and laugh!

Did I say C4? He said Assault beats anything, not just C4. I suggest you find a buttbuddy to stick up for that makes less stupid posts, it'll be easier for you.

Eh, I guess you two fit well together though. You mentioned C4 after I said "Jet".

JDM_Jev posted...

Yeah, but good players are already in unanimous agreement that all the not-assault rifle guns are trash. Good players tend to lean towards the best guns. Since no good player (excluding players that deliberately use bad weapons to handicap themselves for the sake of fun or whatever) thinks other guns are worth using we can conclude that LMGs are bad. No matter how many spawn blockade bipod kills you get with one, which was only possible because of the assaults around since they're the only class with offensive/defensive/supportive momentum in one package.

Dumpster-tier publords like yourself haven't a leg to stand on. Yeah, assault can't take out vehicles, but he can use vehicles. So you use those to destroy other vehicles.

"Good players"? I'm pretty sure actual good players can use any gun, any class, do well with it, and know how to have fun. You'd think from the insane amount of time you've played this game you'd realize this and be able to know when each weapon is good in which situation without coming on this board to cry about it.

You said in any role, which also implies the role of vehicle-less footsoldier. Try thinking before blurting out garbage.

"O BUT LUK MI KEWL L33T STATS N MI MEDULZ N HOW I ALWYZ PLAI WIT SAEM TRIHERD TEEM WIT PARTY ON MI B3ST INTRNETZ 4 HUNDRUDS UF OURZ LOLOLOL!!111!1"

You and you're gang of chromosome-excessive hooligans are still bad.

JDM_Jev posted...

Oh so now you're crawling back to the 'i hadf fun u no life LOLSORZDXD' trashbin. This is what happens when you try to discuss what's best and not what's 'hrurdufnfunurdurr' with the kind of players that led to this title being garbage in the first place. Everything is viable if you're good guys! Not up against other good players. This is the discussion.

1 No one in this topic who said LMGs were viable were actually good at this game. 2 Because they'd have realized by now how beyond pathetic they are in-game. 3 What's 'fun' has nothing to do with what's 'best'. 4 I don't have fun losing shootouts because LMG accuracy is complete balls and watching a thousand rounds land no where near my enemies because their spread is terrible. Actually, that just makes me frustrated before anything. 5 Just like using a sniper rifle; losing a long-range shootout because of suppression to an assault rifle that it easier to use and has a higher damage output doesn't strike me as 'fun'. 6 Players like myself have fun mercilessly destroying other people in this game, and its not going to happen against anyone who isn't moronically bad if you're using an LMG. 7 Which may be most of the community but I'd rather hunt enemies down then wait for them to run to my entrenched LMG position knowing I'd have no hope of fighting back without the bipod.

LOL. I didnt even mention that, but it sounds like you get that a lot, dont you? Gee, I wonder why. Can't be that it's true or anything. And you're implying what's overall fun isn't what's better? You do realize what this is right? You know, a video game, thats purpose was intended to bring fun and entertainment? Derp? I'm pretty sure this title is garbage because of players like you that cry about everything forcing them to screw with the game so much and mess it up. That and the freezing issues. And it still is viable against good players, if you're a better player. Kinda the point of competition, to be better than the other person, not just use better stuff.

1. Because you're allowed to judge who are good and who are bad players, all while being a bad one yourself. I believe that.
2. Beyond pathetic yet they're still able to get plenty of kills and fulfill their role perfectly fine? Now I'm really gonna trust your judgement.
3. Because this isnt a video game, it's real life and you're in a real war and fun is no part of this.
4. And do you know why this is to begin with? I could've sworn it wasnt like this before. Maybe it has something to do with the incessant whining crybabies like you did about this game since it came out and are still doing, causing them to overhaul the entire game multiple times in an attempt to please said crybabies, like yourself.
5. I'll give you that one, by why havent you been whining about that as badly as things like this? I've been saying since the game came out that the suppression shouldnt make your bullets shoot sideways, but they never did anything about it. I guess I should've popped a few tears then raised my voice, it works for you guys.
6. If you're having a hard time mercilessly destroying people who arent morons with an LMG, then I think the problem might be with you and not the gun. LMGs can be made better, but so can you. Try getting better first, see what happens.
7. Bipods are manually setup (though faultily), not stationary. If you only know how to use them sitting and camping, again I think the problem might be with you there.

The real question is, do you want to live with the issues in this game or have them make the game worse? All you do is keep crying for worse for what sounds like your own problems and not the actual game's.

JDM_Jev posted...

Ok, I never said I didn't have fun. I just enjoy being good at this game, and using the options that are literal handicaps is not-fun. They suck at general combat and provide no enjoyment in using them because they do not involve anything but luck with their garbage spread. The huge hole in your logic is that you're assuming what's fun is actually what would give you the most frustration in-game: attempting to compete with an LMG in any position that's not on a bipod. You're hopelessly outgunned because the accuracy is completely random. Its the '87 year old grandma holding onto a fire hose' sort of hopeless scenario. This cannot be remedied by player 'skill' as its entirely luck-based. When was the last time you had fun using the horribly outclassed options to compete with players who use the superior ones? It'd be like playing a Forza game and getting stuck with a tricycle yet still expected to compete.


Everything else well you talk like you're 15 so I'll stop acknowledging you now. Every other word was 'hurr u cryin bot sumethin' and 'LOL that' failing completely to even address my position. I don't come on the forums to cry for nerds, I come here to discuss the bad developer decisions that made the game suck. If you'd look through the posts instead of being a 'umad cry harder' cawadootdoot twink you'd see almost everyone on the board tends to agree with why I think the game is bad. Yes, Battlefield 3 being a bad game does bother me because it was only a year and a half ago (has it really been that long already?) that they had a perfectly fine and fun game title in BC2, only to tear the rug out from under that to serve up a fresh turd in 'we want cawadootie kids' Babybads3. The game that not only failed to attract these human wastebaskets it failed completely to provide a triple A experience, which is kinda the minimum requirement of a triple A game that spends 3 times its development budget on advertising.

I'm not even gonna respond to this seriously. I probably would've to your first paragraph but after the 2nd, forget it. Misinterpreting what I said, pretending I didnt respond to your points which I did, claiming I said things I didnt, pretending you know how I'm thinking which isnt even possible with your capabilities, making exaggerations about the game that're just ridiculous and shouldn't be taken seriously, misusing the word "literal", constantly complaining about how horrible this game is after claiming to have fun with it and spending probably 20 days at least 15 of your life playing it and continuing to increase that number, calling me 15 after you flung around childish insults like a bratty 12 year old, and also saying I'm 15 right before saying "cowadootdoot twink".

I'm done proving you act exactly how I said you do. Good day.

JDM_Jev posted...

Thinking LMGs are good means you're beyond garbage at this game, as even the worst publord doesn't pretend that the assault class isn't better than every class in any role at any range.

This was your first post towards me. Sure, I said people who think LMGs arent viable suck, but you jumped to posting this. Not only is it literally and factually incorrect, but I could tell you said it with a snarl rumbling through your chins.

JDM_Jev posted...

You respond with the same tone you got addressed with. If someone enters a thread saying 'hurr all of u are so mad n bad stop cryighn' like a dootdoot player, then yes - he should be treated as such.

You act like this point has some sort of actual foundation for some reason, but it doesnt. You responded way nastier than I was being initially, and there's a big difference between coming in and saying something stupid and coming in saying something that has a reason. You also are crying, and you do need to stop it. Not only are you too old for that crap but bad things happen to the game because of it, then you cry more later so it doesnt even solve your problems anyway.

Everyone else had their platforms established as to why LMGs are trash yet all of that was apparently negated by 'if you think otherwise you're bad'. No evidence, no anything. And then his counterpoint was more of the same 'hurr stay bad n mad u cry a lot all of the changes to the game that suck were a result of ur crying hururudurrrricoolyet'. Why does anyone have to take that seriously when they respond to it? He couldn't think of any reasons why his garbage opinion could possibly be 'right' (despite the majority of board users not only thinking otherwise but having plenty of supportive arguments why) so he resorted to ad hominem.

And crap like this is why I started insulting you back. What you speak is known as "BS". Everyone against LMGs had their points well organized and typed out and if you say they're wrong you're speaking nonsense. BS. And what do you think caused all these changes in the game? I dare you to say they didnt nerf the hell out of the MAV because people b****ed about it. Let's see if you can lie through that one because you seriously would have downsyndrome if you believed it. People shouldnt have to take idiotic posts seriously, which is why I didnt take yours so seriously to begin with. Your initial post towards me was massively idiotic. And you clearly dont know how to comprehend words of the english language, because you think contradicting your points against LMGs means I have none for them. Another reason why I'd never take you seriously, Just another typical Gamefaqs "I'm not gonna read your post and will just respond with the same copy+pasted BS I said in my last" poster.

And wtf is this talk about "evidence"? What, you want me pulling magical numbers and statistics out my ass or something? My evidence is that thousands of people get kills with LMGs just fine. I get kills with LMGs just fine. Sure, they arent as easy to get kills with as ARs, but that's what's called adapting to the right playstyle. If you were actually a good player, YOU. WOULD. KNOW. THIS.

For someone that insults call of duty players that much, you sure act a lot like one. If you want to sprint around with an LMG that always shoots directly where you're aiming, go play that game.

specialkid8 posted...

^Everyone always resorts to ad hominem when they have nothing left to say. I don't know why people can't just have a god damn discussion. Point, counterpoint, done.

Because it's gamefaqs. People dont know how to argue here. They get to the point part, rather badly usually, then cant get passed it and keep repeating themselves.