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Let's discuss the next set of villains for the third game (spoilers obviously).
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- Feb 18, 2012 12:32 pm GMTMy impressions who is going to be a problem next:
Hush (obvious)
Firefly
Maxie Zeus (mentioned twice so far)
Prometheus (I read somewhere there was a tape? I haven't found it yet)
Killer Croc (I don't think he's done yet)
Killer Moth
Scarecrow (rather really good hidden secrets in the game confirmed this)
Harley Quinn (I honestly don't think she is gonna end up having a villain role this time due to the child thing now).
Two-Face (I don't think he is quite done considering he only had a minor-role)
Black-Mask (either he was just a joke villain or he might have a role).
Riddler(knowing game companies, they need a gimmick)
Calender Man (he has escaped jail).
Who will NOT return I believe:
Penguin: he is utterly defeated
Joker: Dead...I still can't believe they killed him off after all these years.
Clayface: He has finished his role.
Mad Hatter: His mind is completely shattered I think.
Hugo Strange: Now confirmed dead, nothing could survive that.
Ra's al Ghul: He maybe not dead now after his body is gone, he might be recuperating along with Talia, LOA couldn't let them die.
Mr.Freeze: I don't know if he has truly turned over a new leaf after trusting batman, but it seems his role is done too.
This is all I could think of for the moment, what do you all believe who might comeback?
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I screeched at it for several minutes, and then THE GAME finally went crazy and burned itself... - Feb 18, 2012 2:24 pm GMTI see Clayface definitely making a comeback, because remember he fell into the Lazurus Pit.
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The Pittsburgh Pirates will have a winning season. Started 6/17/11 - Feb 18, 2012 2:59 pm GMTim really hoping the Red Hood is in it.
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Plats- GOW 1,2,3 cjhins of olympus, Saw, Darksiders, Dead Space 1, Transformers war for cybertron, Dant'e Inferno - Feb 18, 2012 5:29 pm GMTWho I hope to see (mostly lower-level baddies, I know, but AA and AC already exhausted much of the A-listers, so...):
*Hush - No surprise there.
*Scarecrow - Ditto.
*Harley Quinn - In this scenario, she's become more ruthless in running Joker's gang in his absence, all while still grooming her child to take over everything. How's THAT for being a working mom?
*Cluemaster - Replacing Riddler as the Challenge maven. At this point, Riddler's role has been exhausted. However, if both Cluemaster AND Riddler were to appear, it'd provide a prime opportunity to have them clash over who can stump the Batman better.
*Spoiler - Naturally, she'd tie into the Cluemaster sub-plot as the ambiguous mystery watcher (like Azrael was).
*Black Mask - The main "mob-level" villain like Penguin was, though I wouldn't mind Penguin and Two-Face returning to provide competition.
*The Creeper - Jack Ryder's time in Arkham City may have left him more than a little loopy. I'm aware that he generally isn't portrayed as a villain, but he's definitely not what you'd call "heroic", either.
*Firefly - Much like with Deadshot in AC, his sub-plot would involve investigating his arson sites before taking him down in a sky-high fight.
*Maxie Zeus - It's hinted in AC that despite a trip to the electric chair, he may still be kicking around.
Who I hope don't come back:
*Joker (obviously)
*Poison Ivy
*Bane
*Mr. Zsasz
*Clayface
*Mr. Freeze - Feb 18, 2012 9:01 pm GMTI think what would be really random if they brought back Anarky which happens to be a obscure villain to begin with, my understanding he's kinda like the black sheep of the bat's rogue gallery when I skimmed through his wiki.
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I screeched at it for several minutes, and then THE GAME finally went crazy and burned itself... - Feb 19, 2012 12:44 am GMTwe will sooo see Ra's al Ghul and mr freeze in the next game.i want them,hush,azrael,jason todd(red hood) and female Ventriloquist.or the old Ventriloquist but i want the female one.
- Feb 19, 2012 6:21 am GMTPrometheus (I read somewhere there was a tape? I haven't found it yet
Er, he had a profile in AA, but nothing extensive.
Plus, recently, Prometheus is more of just a general JLA villain. If they're going to go with an "evil opposite" type character, I'd really prefer if they use Wrath or Owlman.
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PSN: CrimeRoyal - Feb 19, 2012 7:25 am GMTYour list was missing....
Manbat
Professor Pyg
the Red Hood
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There's always one **** head like you trying to **** in the apple pie. Well you just **** in the one apple pie that knows how to **** back. - Feb 19, 2012 7:54 am GMTProjectSiolence posted...
Your list was missing....
Professor Pyg
And we're gonna keep it that way, thanks.
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PSN: CrimeRoyal - Feb 19, 2012 8:07 am GMTRas Al Ghul - I think it's kind of obvious.
Talia - Again.
Harley - definately obvious.
Clayface - wants to be turned back.
Riddler - kind of obvious.
Prometheus - there are news paper clippings of him ALL OVER the city.
Two Face - I think they're going to give him more screen time
Scarecrow - kind of obvious
Azrael - he'll turn into an adversary when you try to act against his prophecy
Hush - Kind of obvious.
I think everyone else could be a complete mystery.
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This post is 100% opinion unless stated otherwise. - Feb 19, 2012 10:08 am GMTCome on, Scarecrow vs Professor Pyg? Or a team up? Greatest combo sense Scarecrow and Mad Hatter from TLH.
Ooooh, oooh, we so need the entire Secret Six as an appearance. And if Azrael was right about Hell coming to Gotham, then we need the Demon Etrigan!
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There's always one **** head like you trying to **** in the apple pie. Well you just **** in the one apple pie that knows how to **** back. - Feb 19, 2012 10:40 am GMTPersonally, and they'd need to get Hamil back.
But go with the "It's a dream angle."
The entire Arkham city is batman's scarecrow induced nightmare from AA. He is put into it, midway in AA and Batman 3 has him waking up to find all of Arkham is busted out since he was "comatose" and being messed with by Scarecrow.
Azrael is trying to pull him out of it due to the chaos occuring in Gotham and what it's disturbing is a problem. This also works, because his "prophecies" are the only ones that don't really fit the vibe of the game. His are supernatural and magical, where as the rest of the game is heavily realistic and gritty.
AC is one of Bat's worst nightmares afterall, he failed and the city is given to the criminals. Plus without the Joker, he feels he lost his purpose/nemesis or fears something he doesn't know filling the void with a much larger problem.
It also explains why so many things that were in AA now show up in AC in odd ways. - Feb 19, 2012 11:30 am GMTThat would completely piss alot of people off if it was dream angle, I wouldn't even accept it. Plus that plot doesn't make complete sense at all if it were the case.
But I find it interesting if a *real* hell was coming to Gotham, Batman might try to pull the Joker out of it, but then again that would make the fanbase mad too maybe...MAYBE, not sure how people would react if he was brought back from the afterlife.
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I screeched at it for several minutes, and then THE GAME finally went crazy and burned itself... - Feb 19, 2012 11:35 am GMTIt might not make people as upset as you think. Since it would make Scarecrow a massive feature of the first half of the game.
Granted execution is a big issue in this case. For example, oh it was just a dream vs. Batman slowly coming out of it and things becoming more and more surreal. - Feb 19, 2012 6:02 pm GMT... No, I'm going with Kal on that. That would be EXTREMELY stupid.
I would have no problem if the THIRD game was like that. Where the beginning is things going wrong everywhere, and it turns out to be a nightmare. I would enjoy that. But basically retconning an ENTIRE game and saying it never actually happened?? No sir. That is lame.
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PSN: CrimeRoyal - Feb 19, 2012 9:54 pm GMTI dont think Clayface will come back, considering in the comics, Clayface died by falling into a Lazarus Pit, which also destroyed the pit. Unless the LoA find another Pit, Talia and Ra's are dead as well...
Joker's died in comics before, but I like that he's dead in the Arkhamverse, gives rise to the more obscure villains.
If I have to pick a villain that should be in it, I think Deathstroke should be in the new game... so should Maxie Zeus, the second Clayface, Red Hood, and hell, put Lex Luthor in there too. XD
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Tackanooki vs Capcon. - Feb 19, 2012 10:12 pm GMTPersonally, I'd like to see some villains who aren't supervillains make an appearance in the next game, crime bosses such as Falcone, or such antagonists as Rupert Thorne or Roland Daggett from TAS. I know there's an Arkham City story that reads that the "normal" gangsters moved their operations elsewhere, to Bludhaven I believe, but it would be interesting to have to deal with some sort of mafia synidcate in Gotham.
Is there really such a thing as an "only option?" In order for something to qualify as an option there has to be an alternative.
- Feb 20, 2012 12:20 am GMTI'd really like to see the No Man's Land angle come up for the next game. They've got a lot of similarities to it already, and they've got the groundwork to bring it out in an impressive way.
The earthquakes of No Man's Land could be easily assigned as the seismic activity caused when the League of Assassins excavated the Lazarus Pit (the reason Amusement Mile is mostly underwater), and regardless of Batman's efforts in Arkham City a lot of stuff has gone wrong, what with Tyger no longer functioning and the Police Force weaker than ever thanks to Sharp's meddling. What convicts remain, and we know there are enough of them, are ready to spill into the streets even without Scarecrow being poised and ready to set off who knows what kind of hellish fear bombardment.
Azrael is already telling Batman that Gotham's rapidly heading towards ruin, and that it will be a catastrophe that comes in the wake of what happens in Arkham City that causes the final collapse. There are heavy duty weapons everywhere in that city thanks to Strange's shipments to the Joker, and the power balance has completely collapsed with Joker dead and Penguin trapped by Two-Face. Catwoman deals to Dent, but he's still the strongest force in Arkham following Bats' dealings with the other two villains.
I really want to see them play some more with the gang warfare dynamics, and I think having a storyline that isn't strictly linear could really help that. Something like a point in the storyline where Bats needs to do three different things, but the game gives you the choice of which to tackle first: going and saving someone who isn't in immediate danger but is trapped within one of the foe's (for argument's sake let's say Two-Face) strongholds, going to beat information out of the Penguin who's been teasing you with knowledge of one of the major ploys going on, or investigating an aggressive gang whose leader is not yet known, but who has been taking territory quickly.
Player one might want to know what's going on, and so they go after Penguin and because of this Cobblepot's territory shrinks back, allowing a few other gangs to take a slice of the pie, notably the aggressive new gang gets a bigger chunk. Your friend in enemy territory sneaks in a bit deeper, and as such is a little harder to get to, and the new gang territory is larger, meaning you have to search further for their leader. Player one, hungry for more answers, goes for the gang leader and eventually uncovers them, learning more of the plot, and then gets a transmission saying their ally has been found and needs help - now. The third and final slice is now a timed mission, because it's been left long enough for that character to be found. As a result, after all three objectives are complete the game moves on to the next step in the story, but the gang territory in the layout remains as Player one's actions have altered them: Penguin's territory is smaller now, while the new gang has an impressive chunk of land and the remaining gangs are mostly unchanged beyond spreading slightly into Penguin's old territory.
Player two might go straight for the gang, stopping their expansion early, before saving their ally and as a result their final objective in going after the Penguin is considerably harder, with the end result being Penguin has the biggest amount of territory, and the new gang has quite a bit less.
And so on. It'd add so much to replay value to be able to watch the war for the city evolve based on Batman's priority list, and the missions would range in intensity based on the order you complete them in.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/959557-fallout-new-vegas/60421043
You don't have to be a fan of Fallout, just a fan of a decent read. - Feb 20, 2012 5:39 am GMTProjectSiolence posted...
Come on, Scarecrow vs Professor Pyg? Or a team up? Greatest combo sense Scarecrow and Mad Hatter from TLH.
Yeah, no. Did you really want to see more of him stripping while grinding on other dudes while listening to disco? Because I don't want any more of that.
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PSN: CrimeRoyal - Feb 20, 2012 7:24 am GMTgrand_kaiser, that's just stupid. Stupid that they haven't already done that! I liked the idea of the gangs as well; I didn't expect the gang territory angle to be dynamic in the story but I was hoping that it was. In your vision of the next game the main villain would be whomever the player chooses to save for last, which would be really, really cool, kind of like a Mega Man structure versus the Metroid-esque setup of the first two games. I proposed a similar angle in the Batman Beyond game topic because I think the player choosing which villain to tackle first is a great way to increase replayability.
Is there really such a thing as an "only option?" In order for something to qualify as an option there has to be an alternative.
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