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- Dec 6, 2012 9:39 am GMTFrom: tyrongkojy | #020
Also I love how people whine about space magic but i have never heard one complaint about the "space magic" in Halo, which has gotten even LESS explanation.
What space magic in Halo?I read that google docs report which brought together all the plot holes. Aside from being self contradictory, it was pathetic. Basically, if you think it's full of plot holes, you're simply uninteligent.
Oh, wait, you're trolling.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0&feature=related - Dec 6, 2012 10:25 am GMTchaoscontrol325 posted...
I think I need to agree. While I didn't like the lack of structure to the ending, it really could've used a climax, the way it ended made sense. Really the only way to stop such a trheat like a solar flare destroying the earth is a deus ex machina ending, even though they're bad. It's called writing yourself in a corner.
I actually didn't think ME3's ending was that bad either. First of all, my absolute first thought when the reapers arrived was "no way this game ends any other way then a deus ex machina." Then the crucible was mentioned early and confirmed my suspicions. Since I knew what was coming the entire ending, I wasn't really disappointed. Furthermore, the way Sheppard went out was pretty much how i imagined my Sheppard going out, so I was fine with it. The fact that the developers blatantly lied about how the ending would go about didn't affect me much either, since i'm a smart guy and if there is a game I'm excited about, I don't ****ing watch all the trailers and read all about it and subsequently totally overhype myself. I swear, if more people would be smart enough to do that, a lot of whining among the gamers would vanish. The only thing I was annoyed about was the dumb and insanely obvious plot holes, but the extended cut fixed most of those.
Now, the only thing I'm annoyed about with ME3's ending is that people won't shut the **** up about it. Wherever you go that is ME related, some jackass is going to whine about it. If you go to a video of ME2's ending you see a comment saying "If only ME3's ending was this awesome." If you go to a video with the melody that's playing during the firing of the crucible, some jackass says "the ending ruined this song." And so on. Seriously, it's been almost a year. Shut. The ****. Up.
Well put. - Dec 6, 2012 10:27 am GMTauorajr posted...
They always said this was the end of Desmond's story. That's it. And it was. I enjoyed this ending and mass effect 3. It was satisfying that I saved the world because that was the point of everything
That is the biggest cop out of them all. Yes, Desmond's story is technically done. But EVERYTHING ELSE DESMOND WAS WORKING TOWARDS is still very much alive. Taking the easy way out and using semantics to "be honest" with the fans is not what 2 years of work should have produced.
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Jarl Ballin' - Dec 6, 2012 10:43 am GMTCRK44 posted...
auorajr posted...
They always said this was the end of Desmond's story. That's it. And it was. I enjoyed this ending and mass effect 3. It was satisfying that I saved the world because that was the point of everything
That is the biggest cop out of them all. Yes, Desmond's story is technically done. But EVERYTHING ELSE DESMOND WAS WORKING TOWARDS is still very much alive. Taking the easy way out and using semantics to "be honest" with the fans is not what 2 years of work should have produced.
There were two threats established during Desmond's arc - the Abstergo-Eye and the solar flare, both linked to the 2012 Apocalypse. As of the end of AC3 those have been dealt with. It's just that the process of stopping them caused a new threat to be revealed.
So no, everything Desmond was working towards is not still alive. He stopped the Abstergo-Eye from being launched, killed his personal nemesis and then prevented the solar flare from destroying humanity. That's what he's been working towards. - Dec 6, 2012 11:09 am GMTI did not mean to imply there needed to be a final boss battle. Climax =/= boss battle. As I pointed out in my ME3 example, I consider the final mission on Earth the build-up, leading right up to when you kill the Reaper with the missiles. Then the rush down to the beacon, the slow dramatic walk to the heart of the Citadel, and the confrontation with The Illusive Man to be the climax. There is no boss battle here, in fact arguable the last "boss battle" or really hard combat segment took place in the build-up. The reason this is the climax is because all of the adrenaline from the build-up is still pumping through your veins, you know you're approaching the end, you have no idea what is coming, the sequence is exciting at first then drawn out and dramatic, you're having a desperate conversation with a desperate man with a gun. It's not a boss battle, but the situation is explosive.
That does not happen in this game. You said you consider the conversation with Juno the climax and I just don't know what to tell you about that. If you really think that, then as another user said, I truly think you are just too easy to please. There was very little to no emotion in that scene even given the impending doom of the planet. Minerva shows up and expresses some emotion, even though there's no danger - they're computer programs. They can't hurt each other, they can't do anything to really threaten you or each other. They only have words, and their emotion is lackluster at best. If this is the climax, what was the build-up?
I definitely don't want you to get away with saying they've never tried to explain anything. Ever since the beginning they've explained how the Animus works, they've tried to delve into how the First Civ technology works, they've even spent a good amount of dialogue in AC3 having Juno explain to you scifi ways they tried to save the planet. They have definitely given players explanations as to how these things work. What do you expect? Intricate schematics on how to build your own? Don't be ridiculous. The problem with them not explaining the end is that they posit all these ways it could happen, then never even begin to tell you why Desmond needs to die, what that pedestal did, and how Juno protected the Earth. They don't even try, not even a little. All we have is speculation.
Even in ME3, the space magic that people hated so much, IS thoroughly explained to you before you make your choice. And mind you, this happens in the resolution.
Now I want to make something explicitly clear, TC. I agree with you on ME3. I loved the ending, even before the EC - though many complaints were valid, and EC made it even better and more clear. But I'm NOT with you on AC3. I really hope this expresses how objective I'm trying to be. I've played BOTH series from start, day 1, own all the games (still). I'm not just fanboying here.
EDIT: I forgot to address your argument that "this is just like the last three games, I didn't hear complaints then."
But that's the complaint now.
Star Wars, Harry Potter, etc etc, think of any serious series of literature or books that are all part of the same canon. VERY RARELY does an entire book or movie END with a cliffhanger. Very rarely. More likely than not, they all wrap themselves up very nicely while complimenting each other as a whole.
Assassin's Creed, to date, is arguably all one movie. All about Desmond. From AC1, to AC3, and everything in between, whether people want to acknowledge the present plot or not, they've all been about Desmond. Now they ended that.... with a cliffhanger. There is absolutely no closure whatsoever. It has the stench of milking the franchise at the expense of quality. Stories must end, all stories.
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http://lawlgaming.chatango.com/ - Live uncensored chat for gamers - Dec 6, 2012 11:52 am GMTWhy does there need to be an epic battle for Desmond? He made a decision and
Suffered the consequences, such is life. I enjoyed the game and the ending was fine.
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xbl:tragik00 - Dec 6, 2012 12:15 pm GMTDesmond spent so long training to be an assassin which ultimately was completely wasted. There was so much build up tin personal development hat fizzled out.
Also the Desmond missions were a little pointless, he's a master with the apple, why doesn't he just take that with him everywhere then he doesn't need to be stealthy.
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I'd imagine some quack telling you that you have "multiple personalities" and "psychotic tendencies" would be pretty annoying. - Fishystick - Dec 6, 2012 1:12 pm GMTtyrongkojy posted...
And back to Mass 3 for a moment... people whined about space magic, when for three games weve been using magic. Space magic was always there. Don't pretend it wasnt. Saying the tech alters mass means nothing. They used magic rocks. From game one. Gods, the arguements against mass 3's were stupid....
The problem wasn't space magic. The problem was that throughout the entire trilogy, all of your choices stacked up and affected the story. However, at the end of ME3, all of your choices are irrelevant, seeing as it boils down to just having two choices which are in no way affected by the choices you've made thus far. You might as well flip a coin to determine the ending of the series.
In regards to this game, my main issue is that the whole arguement at the end came out of nowhere (at least for me). So you're going to free Juno and save the world, just like you've planned, but then, in the last 5 minutes of the game, Minerva comes out and says "Oh no Desmond! Juno is evil!" It comes out of nowhere. There's no buildup to that at all. Why didn't Minerva inform the group about this before hand? To me it was a stupid plot twist that was only there so Desmond could make some "heroic" choice. Not to mention how sudden it was. The entire "climax" as you call it TC (which it's not), literally takes just a few minutes and is completely random. You also mentioned how the other games had sudden endings. That's because they weren't the resolution to the story. They were buildup. AC3 was meant to be the conclusion; the resolution to the 2012 story and it just felt rushed and poorly thought out, leaving a stupid cliffhanger just so they could say "yeah yeah the world is saved, whatever. Stay tuned for AC4!"
tl;dr The ending was a copout.
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# of people who agree: 7 - Dec 6, 2012 1:12 pm GMTStupid people don't like being told they're stupid. No one does, really, but it doesn't mean that stupid people are smart.
TV Tropes is a hive of scum and villainy. Anyone that attempts to subvert their patterns, even if they fail, are worthy of praise. People die, and it's over. Kat's death in Reach was great, by the way. For Noble Squad, it was only a matter of time from the get go. Some kids don't like things that deviate from their little ritual storytelling, but that doesn't make non-ritual storytelling BAD.
Anyway, Desmond isn't dead. He's whatever Juno and crew are. Because of Space Magic or whatever snarky explanation you want to give to it because you aren't advanced enough to understand the tech involved. He just won't be the protagonist anymore. There's just so much foreshadowing here, just like ME3. And the Matrix.
Ancient world stomping threats can only be taken out by Deus Ex Machina.
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Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh; fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding a simple ending without DLC...Nothin' stops the Juggernaut. - Dec 6, 2012 1:19 pm GMTjenova posted...
Ancient world stomping threats can only be taken out by Deus Ex Machina.
Pretty much this. I don't think I've seen a story, video game or otherwise, with a threat large enough to easily destroy the world that wasn't beaten by a deus ex machina. Me3 did it, AC3 did it and GoW3 did it.... Ironically all the third part of a series. Perhaps the third part is where the writer always writes himself into a corner and have to resort to the deus ex, which would make sense for AC3. The writers did say they're making it all up as they go.
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If you don't write you're from GameFAQs and what board in the friend request, you will be denied. - Dec 6, 2012 1:26 pm GMTI guess I should say that I actually quite liked Connor's ending. Tragic irony with a tone of bitterness. Poor guy. That last scene with the slave trader and Connor's look of disgust was very well done.
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# of people who agree: 7 - Dec 6, 2012 1:27 pm GMTBlueBoy675 posted...
I guess I should say that I actually quite liked Connor's ending. Tragic irony with a tone of bitterness. Poor guy. That last scene with the slave trader and Connor's look of disgust was very well done.
I immediately strangled that guy to death. - Dec 6, 2012 1:30 pm GMTJackApostrophe posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
I guess I should say that I actually quite liked Connor's ending. Tragic irony with a tone of bitterness. Poor guy. That last scene with the slave trader and Connor's look of disgust was very well done.
I immediately strangled that guy to death.
I think most of us did.
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If you don't write you're from GameFAQs and what board in the friend request, you will be denied. - Dec 6, 2012 1:33 pm GMTJackApostrophe posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
I guess I should say that I actually quite liked Connor's ending. Tragic irony with a tone of bitterness. Poor guy. That last scene with the slave trader and Connor's look of disgust was very well done.
I immediately strangled that guy to death.
If by strangled you mean rope dart, then yes I did.
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# of people who agree: 7 - Dec 6, 2012 2:31 pm GMTSadly the slaves were not very grateful.
- Dec 6, 2012 3:02 pm GMTjenova posted...
TV Tropes is a hive of scum and villainy.
This sentence, coming from this site, has no right to exist.Anyway, Desmond isn't dead.
You can bet he is. Because if he's not, AC has just broken the one thing left that keeps its plot believable. If they suddenly start resurrecting humans in a setting where humans die and you can't do anything to reverse that, the series is dead.Ancient world stomping threats can only be taken out by Deus Ex Machina.
Says who? Pretty much any half decent JRPG disagrees with statement, as well as any media work with a (relatively) realistic setting where people stop being idiots, do this little nifty thing called team work and defeat the threat.
ME3 almost got it right. The entire galaxy putting their differences aside and fighting together against the Reapers, something none of the previous cycles was able to accomplish? That's a pretty damn good way to end the series. But no, they had to focus on the Crucible, space kid and space magic instead. So much potential wasted. The worst part is that it made the Quarian/Geth and Genophage arcs completely pointless.
Hopefully this is what is going to happen between the Assassins and the Templars. It would only make sense after AC3 has set the basis for that (Connor, Rebecca and Desmond repeatedly bring that up and it actually makes sense).
It only took me 2 minutes to come up with a pretty damn good conclusion for the series, with a climax, logical resolution and satysfing ending.
I wonder if Ubisoft will be able to do the same. Bioware couldn't. - Dec 6, 2012 3:08 pm GMTBlueBoy675 posted...
tyrongkojy posted...
And back to Mass 3 for a moment... people whined about space magic, when for three games weve been using magic. Space magic was always there. Don't pretend it wasnt. Saying the tech alters mass means nothing. They used magic rocks. From game one. Gods, the arguements against mass 3's were stupid....
The problem wasn't space magic. The problem was that throughout the entire trilogy, all of your choices stacked up and affected the story. However, at the end of ME3, all of your choices are irrelevant, seeing as it boils down to just having two choices which are in no way affected by the choices you've made thus far. You might as well flip a coin to determine the ending of the series.
In regards to this game, my main issue is that the whole arguement at the end came out of nowhere (at least for me). So you're going to free Juno and save the world, just like you've planned, but then, in the last 5 minutes of the game, Minerva comes out and says "Oh no Desmond! Juno is evil!" It comes out of nowhere. There's no buildup to that at all. Why didn't Minerva inform the group about this before hand? To me it was a stupid plot twist that was only there so Desmond could make some "heroic" choice. Not to mention how sudden it was. The entire "climax" as you call it TC (which it's not), literally takes just a few minutes and is completely random. You also mentioned how the other games had sudden endings. That's because they weren't the resolution to the story. They were buildup. AC3 was meant to be the conclusion; the resolution to the 2012 story and it just felt rushed and poorly thought out, leaving a stupid cliffhanger just so they could say "yeah yeah the world is saved, whatever. Stay tuned for AC4!"
tl;dr The ending was a copout.
I completely agree with this, except for the "Surprise! Juno is evil!" part.
From her creepy e-mails and borderline yandere mannerism it was blatantly obvious that she was evil. Not that it makes the ending any better, in fact it makes it worse because my reaction to Minerva's "revelation" was "Thanks for the info Captain Obvious". - Dec 6, 2012 3:14 pm GMTAssuming people are stupid and unintelligent because they don't like, and by association, didn't get an ending?
Alright.
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I have short-term memory lack....---Isabelle - Dec 6, 2012 3:45 pm GMTtragik00 posted...
Why does there need to be an epic battle for Desmond? He made a decision and
Suffered the consequences, such is life. I enjoyed the game and the ending was fine.
True. If enhethin', I personality care more about what the hell they did with Kai Leng Cross. He practically got his ass BEAT by Desmond!
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I shall forever hate the name......Crimson Viper - Dec 6, 2012 3:46 pm GMThyperskate65 posted...
Assuming people are stupid and unintelligent because they don't like, and by association, didn't get an ending?
Alright.
Right unless you see it from his point of view you are wrong.
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