Young people are losing interest in AAA games, says Kojima

Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima says this trend is the result of surging popularity of mobile and social games and is even more pronounced in Japan.

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The popularity of mobile and social games has eaten away at the interest young people have in AAA games, according to Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima. Speaking with GamesTM, Kojima said this trend is especially pronounced in his home country of Japan.

"We've seen a phenomenon around the world," Kojima said. "Young people are losing interest in high-end games and focusing on mobile and social titles, especially in Japan."

Kojima said part of his vision for the two-part Metal Gear Solid V was to show people that "high-end" games are still worth playing and that "big Japanese games still have a future."

Also in the interview, Kojima explained the reasoning behind releasing Metal Gear Solid V in two parts: Ground Zeroes this month and The Phantom Pain sometime later.

"I'll be honest, [splitting MGSV up] wasn't necessarily a strategic move," he said. "The Phantom Pain is roughly 200 times bigger than Ground Zeroes. A game that big wouldn't be ready for next-gen launch windows, and we didn't have any Japanese titles that would be available. At that time, the Ground Zeroes portion was almost complete and a lot of fans were asking for a prologue, so that’s the decision we came to. That was the reasoning behind the move."

Ground Zeroes launches on March 18 for Xbox 360, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4, while The Phantom Pain isn't expected until 2015 or potentially later. Publisher Konami recently cut the price of the Xbox One and PS4 digital versions of Ground Zeroes from $40 to $30.

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1215 comments
Sndewey
Sndewey

Depends on what you consider young; 6-7 year olds may want an easier to play game, also their parents might not want them playing violent titles; however once they get a little older they enjoy the good games too.


tightwad34
tightwad34

Maybe in Japan. I don't think people are losing interest in the highest of quality games available. GTAV has only sold around 25 mil so far, and video games are more popular than they have ever been and it's only going to get bigger and bigger. Sure some of that is mobile related, but the industry is thriving and will be just fine for the forseeable future.

DeanoFantasy
DeanoFantasy

I think the vid above is ridiculous to, there is only a few miniscule texture differences, so its not even worth it to invest in a next gen console just to play MGSGZ, If I get a next gen console I'll get one when there are some games out that cannot be produced using the old console hardware.

DeanoFantasy
DeanoFantasy

They have to much hype, hint way to much expectation, often short lived when they arrive and have bugs and patches to improve stability, some people just want to play games on the go to.

YellowJello
YellowJello

I think it has something to do with most AAA titles in recent memory being bland and boring. No original ideas and the same old crap recycled over and over again tends to get old.

fibbyfibsmax
fibbyfibsmax

I think we need to stop blaming AAA companies, all they're trying to do is make a profit because that's what companies will ever do. Who do we blame then? we blame the gamers themselves.

Take Flappy Bird, a game that probably every first time programmer made as a fun project and never sold it, then it turns out this one is a one-hit wonder and the guy makes $50,000 per day with minimal effort (literally, this game can be made in under 1 hour).

Look at Call of Duty, a game that doesn't even innovate besides throwing a few guns in, make a half-assed campaign and yet it still breaks records. BF4? EA hit it's revenue targets for it, look at all the DLC everyone is hoovering up. They complain about EA's business practices then seconds later buy the DLC.

 

Let's not forget the now generation, a new breed of people who want instant gratification, it's happening everywhere and gaming is no exception. Top selling for months and months running? DayZ (Early Access), second comes Rust (Early Access) and as much as I've bought both of these they're so buggy they shouldn't even be released.

So what do we take from this? it's simple, the majority of gamers want Early released instant gratification $10 games. Companies go were trends are, right now, this is that. Until we all stop giving money to games that aren't even finished or that blatantally shaft their customers, we'll get no where.

And that's our problem.

DantheMan9856
DantheMan9856

since when the fuck is japan relevant to any gaming outside of nintendo?

prats93
prats93

As much as i hate his games, he's on the money here.

ewjiml
ewjiml

"We've seen a phenomenon around the world," Kojima said. "Young people are losing interest in high-end games and focusing on mobile and social titles, especially in Japan."

Completely false.  This is what he meant to say....

"We've seen a phenomenon around the world," Kojima said. "Young people are losing interest in high-end, recycled warfare games and are now focusing on indie titles, (i.e. Steam) especially in Japan. 


Sorry but a gamer who plays on consoles and PC is not all of a sudden going to pawn his gaming machine just so he can play Candy Crush.  There is a huge increase in mobile gaming because now middle-aged moms who never had an interest in video games, are having a blast competing with other soccer moms on their new iphone.  Essentially, mobile gaming has replaced the allure the Wii had back in 2006.  They are called casual gamers.....and no they are not replacing gamers on consoles and PC. 

Sorciere_basic
Sorciere_basic

Of course he says nothing about indie games or kickstarter games. That's where most of my time is going these days and many of these games play very well and don't feel at all like playing mobile/social crap. AAA are an overpriced bad deal and most of the publishers are dinosaurs too afraid to make anything marginally creative or unique.

aloudangryjerk
aloudangryjerk

Didn't he say that multiplayer, as a concept would never catch on? I could be wrong

Sfr528
Sfr528

I'm not so sure losing interest in AAA gaming is correct.  The fact is that there is an over abundance of games being released every quarter that garner in the AAA price point of 59.99: and many younger gamers don't have the money to be able to purchase them all, even if they wanted to.  Let's be real here, most gamers don't have the money to buy every AAA game that is released per quarter.  Even if you had the money I highly doubt you'd have the time to play them all, hence rendering buying every one kind of pointless.


You might think its a great thing when you have all these AAA games being released every month due to all the variety -- but that means most gamers have to make the choice on what select titles to purchase.  This naturally means a few of those titles won't make back their investment: not due to lack of interest but due to gamers lack of time and or money.



Vodoo
Vodoo

No real gamer in the US has chosen mobile games over AAA games. That's actually not a gamer then. It figures that Jap-land would adopt this practice, they do everything ass-backwards. In all honesty, how the HELL could any true gamer forsake AAA games in favor of smartphone games? That's just a slap in the face to the entire industry.

And being that Jap-land devs can't seem to develop a good game if their life depended on it anymore, I doubt anyone was missing their games at launch.

rhymesmatter
rhymesmatter

Seriously though i have been laughing my ass off with what i read on this typical flamewar thread/article! It's brilliant how ppl try to make their point some times by calling other ppl "immature" or "kids" while the reality is that they all belong to that mass (me included) Carry on lads! entertain me :D

dannydopamine28
dannydopamine28

whats with kojima making all these bold statements? Where is his proof to back up any of the nonsense claims he spews out of his ass

delta5931
delta5931

Call of Duty proves that one pretty well...

FernoFrY
FernoFrY

No companies are willing to build the dream any more. Last year's releases were extremely sparse. This seems to be a trending topic with Japanese devs at the moment but give us something different and see what happens. I'm prepared to die again come Dark Souls 2 next week.

bongsyas_23
bongsyas_23

what is he talking about?  The Witcher 3 and Dragon Age 3 are two AAA games that will pave the way for the future. not to mention Uncharted and Titanfall.  oh we'll be all right

fluffy_puppy666
fluffy_puppy666

Triple A games are made to sell. They need to be generic, they can't have risky original mechanics. Fortunately there are triple A developers who like to keep things original and fresh, but since most just want millions to make the next even more generic game, indie games are the way to go.

Mr_BillGates
Mr_BillGates

AAA gaming is dying. Crap like Angry Birds, Flappy Birds, Day Z, Rust, Minecraft, and all of those subpar games are making a killing.

blue_shift_91
blue_shift_91

lol. he wants to help make AAA games attractive to young audiences...by selling you a 2hr long AAA game that's going to be 200x smaller than the phantom pain.

well that's fcking genius, isn' it?

GIF
GIF

Kojimas games are overhyped and not that great. Im sorry but you kill immersion when you break it every 5 minutes with a full motion video. I dont get the fascination with his games nor the biblical following he enjoys when he breaks fundamental gameplay prinicipals like the one I just mentioned. His words are therefore devoid of credible thought as his ego has grown so large hes allowed to make statements that all his fans take as fact. Like here in this very thread.

Also to add to that, it was released this past week that the percentage of people supporting with actual money the free to play tablet / browser game market, no matter how much its grown, is only .15 percent. That adds up to lots of playing these stupid games because they are free but only a small demographic actually supporting the buisness model so in no way are these games a threat to console games. Not to the hardcore demographic

FKlepackiFTW
FKlepackiFTW

Instead of whining about Kojima being a sellout you should think of him as being generous. You heard what he said, the whole game may be coming out on 2015. He listened to the fans and now serves you some foretaste of what the game will be like.

themancitylife
themancitylife

It's funny how people are being little puzzies over the fact Kojima wants to give fans of the series a Metal Gear Solid game so that don't have to wait until late 2015 OR early 2016 to play the next MGS game.


if you kids have been reading the articles, yes, the MAIN mission doesn't take long to beat, but there's a huge replay value in it. Of course Kojima knows the main mission is short, so that's why he built HOURS of replay value in Ground Zeroes. People have played 10 plus hours and only completed 30% of the game.


The dude, can't even win, by just giving people a cool ass game to hold on to while he works on the main game to give to gamers.


It's 30 bucks. You kids are acting like you're gonna have to fork out 100 dollars.


You really think, after reading all the reviews of the game, that Kojima made a half azz, glitchy, boring metal gear solid game for release?


Here's another idea: take a shot of concrete, harden up and let your ballz drop. It's going to be ok. Whether you get the game or not. Hell you can DOWNLOAD it for 20 bucks!

phoenix5352
phoenix5352

until there are games like mgs , gamers can never lose interest in AAA games

Darnytoads
Darnytoads

Yeah!  That's why 15 million plus people just coughed up $$$ for those next gen systems . . . so we could play so more Temple Run!  Spot on! 

Crossel777
Crossel777

Eh Kojima..  I don't see how releasing a 20 minute demo at nearly the price of a full retail game is going to make more people interested in AAA games.  In fact it's probably going to make them stray away from them.  


And yes, apparently MGS Ground Zeroes can be completed in 20 minutes according to recent news. 

cpg716
cpg716

Havent AAA games been selling at record rates? I mean didnt GTA5 just break records???   Seems like this is excuse making here..

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@fibbyfibsmax True, however, we need to also blame the developers/publishers who pushed the Auction houses in Diablo 3 (that no one wanted, the DRM in UbiSoft's games (that no one wanted), and the blatant wh**ing of microtransacions like Forza 5 has (that no one wants). People do need to take responsibility for supporting these bad business practices, but we can't remove all the blame from the devs/publishers either.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@Hellcanwait I wish gaming media would stop reporting every time Kojima takes a dump.  Not only has GTA sold gangbusters, but many games sell damned well, and we're just off the launch of the PS4 and Xbox One, both of which shattered launch day sales records.

I think the real issue is that Kojima, and probably all of Japan, have lost touch with the world.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@Sfr528 DING!  Right on the head!  I remember when I was a little girl, and going into the shop, you really only had a few choices.  Still too much for a kid on an allowance to buy a bunch, but nowhere near as many as today.  People have to prioritize, pick the ones they want most, and get the rest on price drops.  Now more than ever, there's more games than money.

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@Vodoo wtf is "Jap-land"? Is that a new attraction at Disney?


Also, even if I despise their choice in games, they are still gamers. They are just gamers with terrible taste in games....

ZellyPoof
ZellyPoof

@Vodoo What's a definition of a *real* gamer?  Someone who competes at the level where money can be made?  Someone who buys more than 20 titles in a year? Maybe someone who spends more than 40 hours a week playing games?  Everyone has a different opinion on what a *real* gamer is.  Some people don't consider COD players to be real gamers, then you have COD players stating that people who don't play COD aren't *real* gamers.  The answer will be different across the board.  Mobile and social games *have* seen a massive spike in users, look at bejeweled/Farmville/candy crush, even minecraft on mobile has gotten big sales.  I like how you assume that because people will pay 2 bucks to buy a mobile game that somehow it's a slap to the industry.  If it's inexpensive and affordable, people will buy it.  You don't see people pulling up to Mcdonalds and asking for a big mac combo and stating that you'll pay three times the asking price.

ZellyPoof
ZellyPoof

@dannydopamine28 You mean the guys who's been in the gaming industry since like 1986? The guy who's the vice president of Konami Digital Entertainment, and the guy who's created *arguably* some of the most memorable and highly rated games to ever grace a console?  The guy who's written, co-written, produced, and co-produced something like over 30 games over the time he's been in the industry?  He doesn't need proof, he lives, breathes, eats and craps the game industry.

rhymesmatter
rhymesmatter

@bongsyas_23 I wouldn't hold my breath for DA 3 if i were you (and that comes from a former DIE hard BioWare fan)...The way BioWare has been doing things for a while and the way they have been presenting the game ... Well let's just say things don't look that bright for that one. On the other hand TW3 is bound to be BREATH taking and i am sure CPR will deliver !

rhymesmatter
rhymesmatter

@themancitylife I love how you repeat the line "you kids" and then in the end you say something, oh so mature like: "...harden up and let your ballz drop." with a z !! You are brilliant mate :)

Revenant_K
Revenant_K

@themancitylife Wonderful, surely we "kids" have nothing to worry about since the high and mighty "adult" is here to tell us what to do.

West123
West123

@themancitylife  what has any of that got to do with the article? you speak as if your not playing games forgetting that games are mostly played by kids  

West123
West123

@Darnytoads  i know these dev really want to push mobile games but its not happening a billion dollars in one day GTA baby

dani_i89
dani_i89

@cpg716 GTA is an exception I believe. It's the causal gamer's game. "Shoot civilians, steal cars, do drugs, have sex with prostitutes then kill them and take your money back". Quality AAA right there....

Hellcanwait
Hellcanwait

@ZellyPoof

about the fact that you seem to think that working in the industry makes everything you say gospel, well i got one name for you, Peter Molyneux he's 4 years older than kojima and has worked in the industry for decades.


would you take Molyneux Word for gospel... didn't think so.

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@ZellyPoof @dannydopamine28psh.... I dare you to name ONE game of his that is a massive hit that almost all gamers have heard of..../sarcasm


If you bring up all those points, then yea, he sounds like he has a lot of credibility....but I'd rather ignore those points and pretend he has no merit...

suppaphly42
suppaphly42

@rhymesmatter i concur DA 3 no race choice is the biggest piss off for me about that game. the first was the spiritual successor of baldur gate and was so good why did  they loss sight of that so profoundly

Hellcanwait
Hellcanwait

@ZellyPoof

but you have no problem believing kojima, when he states that AAA titles are in decline and his mission is to make a game so great that it will turn the tide... ok then.

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---Cipher---

@Hellcanwait IMO, the difference between Kojima and Molyneux is that Kojima rarely seems to talk out so what he says has (at the very least) some credibility. Molyneux has been speaking out his *** for years and lost all credibility by basing his reputation on hollow promises. 

ZellyPoof
ZellyPoof

@---Cipher--- @ZellyPoof @dannydopamine28  Almost all gamers? Do you somehow have the pulse of the majority of gaming consumers somehow?  He's had hits with MGS being the most noticeable by far, 1998 mgs1 sells 6mil, 1999, pokemon gold and silver sells 23 mil outselling everyone that year.  (That's a handheld right?)  2001 MGS2 sells 7 mil, the following year pokemon ruby and sapphire sells 16 mil and again outsells everyone.  Total game sales for the highest selling game of all time is....Tetris!!! With over 170 million copies sold and most purchased on handhelds and mobile devices, game boy, game boy advance.  All of the Call of Duty titles combined haven't outsold Tetris with VGChartz 2012 showing 124.65 million sales, still under Tetris.  Yeah, i'll give you the , well they've sold more by now with how many other versions being released since then, but then again the info on Tetris that i found was from 2010.  If you're going to use the best selling game of all time as the benchmark, then every single game that's come out since then , has been utter failure.

West123
West123

@themancitylife @West123  

"Here's another idea: take a shot of concrete, harden up and let your ballz drop. It's going to be ok" ya i missed the point