XCOM: Enemy Within "too big" to be DLC for 360 and PS3

Upcoming XCOM: Enemy Unknown expansion pack could only make it to consoles via a retail release, says developer.

XCOM: Enemy Unknown expansion XCOM: Enemy Within was "too large" to be released as a patch or DLC on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, developer Firaxis Games has said.

For 360 and PS3, Enemy Within will only be released as part of the disc-based Commander Edition of XCOM: Enemy Unknown in November.

"For the expansion on the PC, it was fairly straightforward," said Firaxis senior producer Garth DeAngelis in an interview with Joystiq at PAX. "But when it came to the consoles, it was too big. If we wanted to deliver the same content to the console players, we had to do it this way as a standalone expansion on a disc. We couldn't simply just patch it in."

DeAngelis added that the XCOM Commander Edition was only way all the Enemy Within content would be able to make it to console. "These things are tied deeply into Enemy Unknown so we wanted to release [the Commander Edition] as sort of the ultimate edition, with all the previous DLC on this one disc. It was either deliver it this way or not deliver it at all."

XCOM: Enemy Within, which was announced during Gamescom 2013 in August, will feature new unit types, skills, upgrades, and map features, and will be released for PC, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3 on November 12.

For more information on XCOM: Enemy Within, check out GameSpot's in-depth report into the new content.

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Adam_GI
Adam_GI

Sony last time I checked charges $0.16 for every gig used to download DLC, while Microsoft charges $40,000 certification on patches* (Not sure about DLC ) *Microsoft got rid of the re-certification charge back in April, yet at that time Firaxis would have most likely have already had the pipeline in place to distribute it. Honestly it probably made more sense fiscally to have a disk for them. People who already own Enemy Unknown will most likely buy it again and sell their old copy of EU, which it puts it back on the shelf and draws more attention to the brand and has a chance to draw in new sales for those who don't currently own game and the DLC.

Klikandclick
Klikandclick

You know, these used to be the norm and back then they were known as "expansion packs"

Bond_Villain
Bond_Villain

Sounds good, look forward to getting the Commander Edition.


Boddicker
Boddicker

Bad form Mr. Gaston.  You fail to mention the PSN and XBL download limits on DLC and the price.

CalamityKait
CalamityKait

I wonder how big this is to make it too big to be DLC.  I got the core game as a download during the sale earlier in the summer, and a quick check of my hard drive stats says it's 7.1gb.

This indicates to me that 7.1gb isn't too big for an XCom console download.

To play devil's advocate regarding my own point here, that is a complete game on demand.  I'd respond to that by saying that games on demand are content that can be downloaded - they are literally downloadable content.

 But maybe the rules are different for add-on DLC.  Let's see how big that can get.

Mass Effect 3's Omega is 2.0gb, and Citadel is 4.1, split into two downloads.  The end sequence extended cut is 1.9gb; since this was free for anyone who owned the game, it's technically a patch or title update.  Borderlands 2's Tiny Tina expansion is 1.8gb.

This tells me two things:  First the voice files for interactive dialog trees must take up a huge amount of space, given how much more content Gearbox can pack into a 2gig expansion than Bioware.

Second, on the 360, it's possible for a DLC add-on to be up to 2gb per download and 4 for a single expansion pack.

I suspect that the reason might have as much to do with pricing as it does with file size.  It's easier to charge a premium price for a boxed expansion pack than it is for something labeled "DLC".  Customers have expectations regarding the pricing of DLC add-ons, with a good number of potential customers objecting to the $15 price of the Omega and Citadel expansions.

I would be surprised if this doesn't show up for download in the online stores a few months down the line.

Hicser03
Hicser03

Dont see why the console lot are complaining, stop thinking of it like you have to buy the game twice when in fact your getting the base game and DLC for the price you would pay just  for enemy within if we follow the usual $10 hike you get between pc and console versions. Pretty sweet deal tbh.

Orgil220
Orgil220

good old expansion packs, i like it

tightwad34
tightwad34

I would really like to play this, but I don't think I'll be able to find the time with all the other shit I want to play, oh GTA V in two weeks. Looks like it's going to sit on the back burner for a while, maybe forever.

JoshDPU
JoshDPU

If I can download all of Dragon Age to my 360, I don't see the new XCOM being a problem!

kungfuj0
kungfuj0

I played EU but didn't buy it.  Might buy this one when it comes out though.  Always loved XCom.  Only strategy-type game I've ever been able to get into.

n0xinab0x
n0xinab0x

I just preordered it for my PS3, $39.99 plus free shipping ;)

00J
00J

WHAT?! WHOA WHOA!! TOO BIG?! 

OH O.K. so let's bring to attention Microsoft's, and other DRM advocates DUMB AS SHIT idea that the next GENERATION will be download only, cloud based only is the future, that a brilliant developer can't do it, because it is not a practicable solution? 

AH HA!  STUPID STUPID STUPID all those MORONS that believe that everything will be CLOUD BASED eventually. WRONG. 

Not even in 100 years! will this be FEASIBLE! 

Not to mention that no one wants to sit and wait hours for a game they just purchased to download, and that is if the download completes successfully! 

I'm an advocate for Optical Media Based consoles. 


Devil_wings00
Devil_wings00

Considering I got xcom free with a Bioshock infinite bundle on PC I'll gladly pay something this time to support the game. Ended up putting literally 10 times the hours into xcom then I did bioshock and it was just a freebie ;p It wasn't a perfect game, and it did get awfully repetitive at times, but I had a blast once the order of operations type sections were done and I actually got to the gameplay.

Dragon_Nexus
Dragon_Nexus

Unlike whenever Capcom says this, I actually believe it. there is a crapton of content being added with this.

Munstable
Munstable

I hope there are still yet unannounced features that will be in the expansion. Otherwise, new soldier/alien types, maps, skills and upgrades sound just like a regular dlc.

Considering I had at least 20 things on my expansion wish list when the game first came out, I don't know what's so "BIG" about this?

Llama345
Llama345

Reminds me of Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen.  DLC must not be allowed to cost $40 because that wasn't allowed to be DLC either.  I was fortunate to have no bought DD before. So I felt that was a decent deal. But to have to buy a $40 'expansion' no effing way. 

CruiserCaptain
CruiserCaptain

So... I HAVE to buy a new higher priced copy of the game to get this "DLC" expansion? Seriously? I can't get it separate like Red Dead Nightmare (although a bit different content) and just download it off the disc on to the console or something? Really? So basically it is AT LEAST going to be another 60$ just to get this? That's assuming it isn't some special release with a slightly higher price tag (original game + new dlc)

LAME: Nevermind, XC:EU is fine how it is.

Seriously lame...

BoromiRwcgeorge
BoromiRwcgeorge

too big for dlc too small for standalone game.

meeeeeeeeh.

still buying though. you just cant ever get enough xcom.

Pawfalcon
Pawfalcon

Too big huh? *cough*BS*cough* Did somebody say something? Cuz I was just saying that the "too big" part sounds like total BS. But I'll still buy it when the price drops if it gets a good rating/review.

Darkul81
Darkul81

DLC just isn't possible. That leaves two choices:

1) Release the expansion by itself.

2) Re-release the game in it's entirety with the expansion included.

Option 2 makes far more sense, and here's why:

In order for Enemy Within to work, you would have to have Enemy Unknown and enough HDD space to install. Not everyone would have Enemy Unknown, and the purchase of Enemy Within would be at the mercy of the first game's availability.


In addition, it would cause a problem for retailers, because the console crowd would sometimes purchase the game unaware that the first game was required; console gamers aren't as accustomed to expansions as the PC crowd.

Lastly, it would hamper sales, seeing as how many gamers wouldn't even bother once they knew they would have to buy two games.

The only real option in this case is to re-release the game in it's entirety. If Firaxis is forced to ship physical copies of a game, they might as well make the most of it. To do it differently is less than practical.

Firaxis is doing this correctly.

con47
con47

I rented XCOM a while back but never bought it, now I'll get this instead.

DrowNoble
DrowNoble

Glad to see an actual real expansion for once. Too often "expansions" are glorified DLC that they overcharge for.  Still sucks for console users, unless they are buying in from scratch then the $40 is a good deal.

PC gaming ftw

Roffey23
Roffey23

Ahh...so thats why it's $40...because your making us buy the whole fucking game again...*sigh* ...guess ill get it when it his the bargain bin...

deathstream
deathstream

$30 on PC, base game required.  $40 on console with base game, DLC and expansion content included?  The extra $10 does stink for console gamers who bought the game and DLC, but $40 for a massive expansion pack is NOT outlandishly high.  Big expansions like this used to be the norm on PC. 

Cenerune
Cenerune

Sigh... So much misunderstanding and misinformation in the comments.

First you have to understand what this expansion actually is. It's not a follow up to the story, it's the same game with tons of added content and modified content. Like a gigantic patch that changes the existing gameplay combined with DLC, all in one package.

If you are on PC, it's just like the Civilization expansions which is something that hasn't been done on consoles before to my knowledge. That's probably why it's released as a new standalone game rather than straight DLC for console. The nature of this sort of expansion is most likely stuck in an awkward place in the policies of Microsoft and Sony due to the heavy modification of content.

$40 for console and it's ''standalone'' so it includes the base game, the previous DLC and the expansion all in one. It's the best value if you are a newcomer and the worse if you have it all already.

$30 for PC and it requires the base game. It's the best value for someone with the game and the worst for a newcomer.

What we know so far

-More maps (About 50% more)
-New aliens
-Genetic modification of soldiers
-Cybernetic modification of soldiers
-Mech suits
-New facilities to be built
-New resource which actually change the game
-Balance changes
-New research opportunities
-New upgrades
-New soldier gear
-International ''voice pack''

And there is more to be announced too.

Rattlesnake_8
Rattlesnake_8

I'm really hoping they add a LOT of content to justify the price. Including the base game doesn't justify it for those that already have the game.

lonewolf1044
lonewolf1044

I am glad I got the PC version because why in the world do I want to buy the expansion that will have the base game and DLC and the new EP and they want consoles owners to spend $60 if that is the price? Something is not right in this deal. What they should do is sell the new game at a discount to those that already own the game.

TheGreatPhoenix
TheGreatPhoenix

@CalamityKait you're like the butcher telling the architect that he in fact can build that skyscraper anywhere he wants, cause he's seen tall buildings everywhere......

n0xinab0x
n0xinab0x

@00J 100 years from now? You Sir and/or Ma'am must have great faith that we (as in humans) will still be around by then, much less worrying about download only games. However,  games entirely downloadable is only  frivolous if you enjoy the case and manual that game with it.  (Which I do/did, especially when it was in color.) Shame there's no such thing as a no cd/dvd crack for console games.

Ambivalist
Ambivalist

@00J If any of this actually mattered, you'd kind of be a frightening person.

EquilibriumEos
EquilibriumEos

@Dragon_Nexus There was a great ton of content added to Dark Arisen which is about 40 hours in length (which justifies its price) unlike certain game expansions *coughBethesdaandBiowarecough*

Ambivalist
Ambivalist

@Llama345 Uh, the expansion is $30 on PC. I'm not sure what the complaint is here. Unless you're talking about the trip to the store, in which case Amazon or any other multitude of other online retailers will happily ship it to your door. And I'm sure you could sell your copy of XCOM for the ten bucks difference, if that's your concern.

CruiserCaptain
CruiserCaptain

@Darkul81 I have XC:EU, so basically I am being told I HAVE to buy it again to get the included new DLC XC:EW plus the game I already have. SO basically:

" ...it would hamper sales, seeing as how many gamers wouldn't even bother once they knew they would have to buy two games."

I would have to buy two of the SAME game... so yeah. It works both ways. And I feel I am not alone on this frustration.

Ambivalist
Ambivalist

@DrowNoble It's only $10 more for us, right? And aren't most console games about that much more? It doesn't seem like a big deal at all. I'm not sure I understand the complaints going on here. People realize that they can sell their original copies, right? Probably end up getting the game for less than $30 that way.

Roffey23
Roffey23

scratch that...$69 in Australia...FUCK THAT...

Zloth2
Zloth2

@deathstream The $10 is probably Microsoft/Sony's cut so they are basically including the original game for free to console users.

CalamityKait
CalamityKait

@TheGreatPhoenix Bad analogy.  The problem cited by 2K was size, not location. 

A more accurate parallel would be asking the architect how tall his building must be if it's too tall to build it in a city filled with skyscrapers, some of which he designed himself.

If the expansion is bigger than 4gb, that would explain it, or if the normal limit is 2gb (with Citadel being a special case or requiring double the normal fee for the two downloads) and Within is over 2gb, that would also explain it.

Or if the cost were too great, due to the size, to host it on the console stores, that again would explain it.

I'm not saying they're wrong, I'm just curious as to what exactly qualifies as "too big" and why, given how ambiguous that phrasing is.

CruiserCaptain
CruiserCaptain

@Zloth2 @CruiserCaptain You're damn straight! $40,60...either way I have to rebuy a game already have to play new stuff. I love the game, but I am not re-buying it.

nedrith
nedrith

@CruiserCaptain @Darkul81 Honestly I don't see it hampering sales that much by releasing as a standalone, and they could always release a ultimate edition of Xcom:EU  at the same time with both.


Money wouldn't be a problem, people can always buy Xcom: EU first and then later buy the expansion if they liked it.  the first game would cost them $20-$30 at most and with them seperated the expansion could be priced at $20-$30.  Still cheaper than a new game. 

OldKye
OldKye

@CalamityKait @TheGreatPhoenix This could be another "Console only thing" like when Xbox limits patches(making it hard to update games or sometimes wanting to call patches DLC to make a buck).

Maybe it is like 4-5GB's which should be fine for a downloaded game but Sony and Microsoft went "2gb limit or it's a separate game and we need a bigger cut." who knows.

The fact is he's not telling all the details and he may not even be allowed to if he wanted to when going through another company there's always red tape to cross.

Roffey23
Roffey23

@kagento @Roffey23 @lonewolf1044 sadly yes...but it still takes me by surprise when i see an article saying it's $40 and i think...yeah that would be a good deal. And then i look up the Australian price and it's $60-$69...