Xbox update process "unacceptable" for F2P games, says World of Tanks dev

Wargaming CEO Victor Kislyi says company working with Microsoft to streamline update and QA processes on Xbox 360.

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The Xbox 360's update and certification processes are "unacceptable" for free-to-play games, World of Tanks developer Wargaming CEO Victor Kislyi told Polygon in a new interview.

The executive explained that Wargaming is working with Microsoft to streamline its certification and update processes ahead of World of Tanks' launch on the Xbox 360 this summer.

"The good thing is with online games, sometimes if you screw up, you can do frequent updates," Kislyi said. "But one of the biggest challenges with Microsoft was the frequency of updates because the QA process and certification process takes an extremely long time. Totally unacceptable for a meaningful free-to-play. We are working with them to do quicker updates."

World of Tanks will be a free-to-play title on Xbox Live, though it won't be entirely free-to-play, as players must have a Gold subscription ($5/month) to play the game. Kislyi said last month that the company must "tolerate" this requirement, which he is "not happy about."

For more on World of Tanks: Xbox 360 Edition, check out the video below.

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296 comments
TravisOfallon
TravisOfallon

As a beta tester for this platform, I will say that WG has thourougly dug themselves a hole with Microsft.  Having not produced a quality patch since 9-9 and 21 days later still making promises to have a patch "soon", the game is not playable "as intended".  Frustrating beta's to venture off to do other things.  I do not belive in the FtP model as the internet band with required to play any FtP is not free.  Free is a misnomer we have accepted as a game community and therefore so should WG's Victor Kislyi CEO.  I receive so many benifits of my Live Gold account that it is worth my monies.

Johny_47
Johny_47

Back in my crappy xbox days I remember that the updates on xbox take seconds even with an average internet so why is the wargame dev moaning? it's not as if the pc version's not flawed like f**k.


The pc version has so many problems, main one being balancing and biassed towards Russian stuff like you wouldn't believe, it needs one heck of an overhaul basically.

And @Techn1c4l I've been playing World of Tanks for a while on and off(gets boring very quickly) and it's more pay to win than anything. The money system in the game for basic things like having a camo pattern on a tank is dull and rip off, it's like microsoft points.

Techn1c4l
Techn1c4l

Free-to-play is unacceptable itself.

tightwad34
tightwad34

MS needs to learn their lesson and I don't often say this, but it should be the hard way.

offspring94
offspring94

I couldn't care less about World of Whatever, but it's great to see a company speaking against the draconian policies that prevail in the console market.

ClintCommander
ClintCommander

"World of Tanks will be a free-to-play title on Xbox Live, though it won't be entirely free-to-play, as players must have a Gold subscription ($5/month) to play the game."

Oh, so it's free-to-play...but it isn't.  If it isn't ENTIRELY free to play then why are they still considering it free-to-play?  They might as well just come out and say "You can play the game free of charge for only 5 bucks a month".  It doesn't make sense.

This game might be free-to-download.  But free-to-play?  No, so they shouldn't be calling it free-to-play then. 

DIGN
DIGN

"The good thing is with online games, sometimes if you screw up, you can do frequent updates," 

That's the thing, you can't do that with a real business. 

I agree that the update timeframe is asinine, but they can't afford to allow a bug or anything of the sort into their marketplace.

Legolas_Katarn
Legolas_Katarn

I don't know why this is a surprise for them or why they are making a likely very inferior version for consoles anyway.

Ayebang
Ayebang

The World largest software company like Microsoft who owns Xbox live online system with the best and the most reliable on Earth, sorry better Than Sony, has slow to update its system ? Something went wrong on this anti Microsoft web site like Gamestop.

Ayebang
Ayebang

Dude

This is a propaganda from Sony.

Why Microsoft not try to let developer to update ?

This for to ensure online Xbox live system is free from bugs as Sony used to headache on its online system. Now Xbox live is very secure and it is free to update sir

sadscooterpipe
sadscooterpipe

Yet all involved seemed so excited at E3....my how quickly things can change, huh?

PStrife
PStrife

This is simple.  If the company has this idealism they can just cancel the project at this point.  No problemo dude.

Revl8n
Revl8n

Microsofts definition of F2P is clearly different from mine.  Sort of been a theme with Microsoft lately...

M3o5nster
M3o5nster

Maybe Microsoft should try hiring Sony... Devs have been saying the PS4 is great for F2P games ;)

Alucard_Prime
Alucard_Prime

He would have known in advance how their QA process works, yet he still decided to release the game on the 360?

A QA process is there for a reason, this ensures quality for customers on day 1. Nothing is worse than downloading a game and not being able to play it on day 1. Even with this "unacceptable" certification process, there are still buggy games released, so if anything they need to tighten it up(which they didn't of course, now updates are free if I remember correctly, we'll see how that turns out).

cboye18
cboye18

Serves them right, their greed got them in this position in the first place...

Zoza24
Zoza24

Free 2 Play and yet you need a gold subscription. That's really funny! :D

HaRdNiPs
HaRdNiPs

yet they're still making it for the 360 and you need a gold membership to play it. ftp my arse. 

wgerardi
wgerardi

Does anyone above the age of 7 really care about tanks?

halo117xbox
halo117xbox

when will this release on the Xbox 360? anybody know?

Meta-Gnostic
Meta-Gnostic

This guy keeps complaining about 360's policies. Should have made if for PS3 instead.

SolidSnakeUS42
SolidSnakeUS42

I'll ask this then, if it is unacceptable, then why the hell did you make a 360 (Xbox version in general) version of the game?

"It's unacceptable, but we'll bend over and take it."

electro57
electro57

Wargaming.net apparently did not read the fine print before signing the contract.

ColdfireTrilogy
ColdfireTrilogy

@Johny_47 @Techn1c4l okay 1st, close your eyes, then 2nd, reopen your eyes. 3rd, reread the article above. At no point does anyone complain about actual DOWNLOAD SPEEDS, the executive up top is saying that the time it takes to CERTIFY an update can be extremely long (and until two months ago on 360 only 2 free updates were allowed to a title, any more and a $20k fee was also tacked on, making indy development either A) a huge PITA to develop for B) only update the game twice and say heyyyy sorry, MS only allows us two and being an indy dev we cant afford to just throw around 20k freely). 

So yes the updates are fine and fast, its the CERTIFICATTTTIONNNNN process that is old and slow compared to a quickly rolled out PC update within a few days of finding a gamebreaking glitch or cheat or flaw.

OldKye
OldKye

@offspring94Kislyi is a funny guy you should see the lead developer Serb though I could see him walk in and flip them the bird lol.

jayjay444
jayjay444

@ClintCommander The difference is your not paying $5 a month to play world of tanks your paying 5$ a month for gold to play ALL games on XBL. there's nothing wrong with needing gold to play the game for free considering it feels like their rewarding people with gold some new games for free as well as some free to play games, Sony would do the exact same thing in MS position the difference is Sony isn't in this position and there in the shit with loss after loss. 

tionmedon
tionmedon

@ClintCommander it`s free to play on PC,also this is a m$ decision

they don`t want silver accounts to play so don`t blame the dev`s..

hystavito
hystavito

@Legolas_Katarn I was just going to post about the "surprise" aspect.  How is it that these things keep coming up that they supposedly didn't know about?

gaming_binge
gaming_binge

@Zoza24 and you will be paying to play "free to play" with the ps4. so your point.........

ClintCommander
ClintCommander

@jayjay444 5 dollars to play a free game.  Wow! You're right! That's so rewarding! Man, it's too bad those PC players don't get this reward as well.  They're stuck with playing their free-to-play games for free.  Those suckers!

Oh, and Sony will be having free-to-play games as well.  Ever hear of PlanetSide2?  They've already announced there will be no pay wall to play the game.  It's actually FREE-TO-PLAY!

Look, I own and love all the systems.  Really I do.  But if there are aspects about them that I don't agree with then I'm going to call them out on it.

Meta-Gnostic
Meta-Gnostic

@blackace @Meta-Gnostic That's funny considering the only problem I've ever had online with PS3 was when it got hacked. Other than that it has been identical to 360, without costing money. And yes XBL has been down many times for short durations.

In any case PS4 will be even better for online since they're charging for it, and this game would've been even better on PS4 than PS3. So for this game, regarding developer policies:

PS4>PS3>360>X1

jayjay444
jayjay444

@ClintCommander @jayjay444 Are u 5 lmao, and what the fuck u on about, Planetside 2 isn't even an exclusive and either is world of tanks, if i want to play a pay 2 win pile of shit I would buy Planetside 2 on my PC and same goes for world of tanks, and it still doesn't change the fact u pay $5 a month to play ALL 360 GAMES and XBL on the 360 will still be miles ahead of the PS4's PSN lmao, Sony will never catch up when it comes to online gaming, just accept the facts kid. 

keysnsamples
keysnsamples

@sammoth 

ITS THE DEVELOPERS CHOICE ITS NOT SONY FORCING YOU.


How stupid are you? Devs don't want their f2p games behind a paywall, that defeats the purpose of FREE TO PLAY


World of Tanks will be a free-to-play title on Xbox Live, though it won't be entirely free-to-play, as players must have a Gold subscription ($5/month) to play the game. Kislyi said last month that the company must "tolerate" this requirement, which he is "not happy about."


Prime example.

sammoth
sammoth

@keysnsamples @gaming_binge @Zoza24

Read the Update : Dumb @ss

Update: Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios, told Polygon that the PlayStation Plus subscription requirement is up to publishers for free-to-play PS4 games. "As far as free-to-play games are concerned, it's a publisher's decision whether they put it inside or outside of the PlayStation Plus requirements," he said.

They only listed 4 FTP that di not need PSN+.

Meta-Gnostic
Meta-Gnostic

@jayjay444 My downloads are at least as fast on PSN, if not faster.

The only time I've been disconnected much is on EA games, which require you to log in to EA, but that has happened on 360 the same amount. I've had 360 games freeze more.

Not sure what you mean by slow updates. Updates come when needed and install quickly, but now with PS+ I never ever have to deal with any updates - not even game updates.

I could care less about cross game chat, that's something I would never use anyways.

Did not lose my credit card because I wasn't stupid enough to put it on any game service.

So none of your points are valid and your credit card problems are your own fault.

jayjay444
jayjay444

@Meta-Gnostic @jayjay444 Slow downloads, constant disconnects, very slow updates, no cross game chat, and there's loads more but i could be here all day, and that's all before PSN got hacked and lost my credit card details, and i'm still pissed at that, also i would just liek to add it's not my internet speed, my connection speed is 120MB. 

jayjay444
jayjay444

@Meta-Gnostic Your talking a load of shit I own a PS3 as well as a 360 and there's more problems with PSN than it simply being hacked, stop being a blind fanboy for once in your life. 

McGregor
McGregor

@Meta-Gnostic @blackace Umm, I'm pretty sure "getting hacked" is the worst possible thing that can happen in the online universe. I definitely wouldn't be including it in the same sentence where I'm trying to positively compare online products. When I'm looking at the list of "check boxes" that show what each experience offers, only 1 gets to put a check in the, "your data is secure" box. If that is a check-box on the comparison list, It's the only box I care about.

cboye18
cboye18

Screw the payroll online, so screw PS4 too.