Xbox One preowned plan revealed?

[UPDATE] Retail sources claim Microsoft and publishers will take a percentage of every used game; Microsoft says reports are "inaccurate and incomplete"; new report says no secondhand fees at all.

[UPDATE 2] Sources have told Polygon that the Xbox One will not require gamers pay an activation fee to play used games, but will mandate regular checks to verify the authenticity of games.

Microsoft is also reportedly mulling over the idea of special "exemption codes" that could be provided to those in Internet-free scenarios, like active-duty soldiers.

[UPDATE] Following the publication of this story, Microsoft director of Xbox Live programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb provided a new statement on Xbox One and used games.

"The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox," he said. "Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future."

The original story follows below.

According to retail sources speaking with MCV, retailers will be able to charge whatever they want for secondhand Xbox One games, but Microsoft and publishers will receive a cut of every transaction.

The information leak comes after Microsoft reportedly briefed "key" partners on its plans for the secondhand market as it relates to the Xbox One, something Microsoft has been coy about.

The system will reportedly work as such: consumers can trade in physical Xbox One game discs only at retailers that have agreed to Microsoft's terms and conditions and have integrated the company's cloud-enabled Azure preowned technology into their own.

The traded-in title is then registered on Microsoft's systems as having been resold, and the data files will be cleared from their Xbox One account. Such a system would explain Microsoft's position that the Xbox One must "check in" with its servers once every 24 hours.

Retailers are then able to resell the used game at whatever price point they see fit. As part of this initiative, the publisher of the game will automatically receive a cut of the sale, along with Microsoft. The rest is revenue for the retailer.

It is unclear what this percentage will be, though Consoledeals.co.uk claims the portion paid to retailers will be 10 percent, well below the margins retailers have come to expect from secondhand games. This could negatively impact retailers like GameStop, which rely on the secondhand market for a healthy portion of their overall business.

During an earnings call yesterday, GameStop management brushed aside questions regarding the Xbox One and used games, instead saying it will allow Microsoft to announce plans in due time.

The site also suggests, based on information from a senior employee at "one of the UK's largest video game retailers," that the rumored Xbox One preowned activation fee will be £35 ($52). It is unclear if this fee will be an additional cost on top of the sticker price for secondhand games.

Microsoft's official stance on the Xbox One used-game scenario is that the platform has been designed "to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail."

"We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we've confirmed today," Microsoft said earlier this week. "While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail."

"Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios."

Sony has also dodged questions regarding used games on the PlayStation 4. The company has confirmed that preowned titles will play on the next-generation system, but said decisions about activation fees will be left up to individual publishers.

"It's a publisher decision," Sony said in February. "We are not talking about it. Sorry."

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Lillypaw
Lillypaw

Some confusion, dont think so micromuppets. You been after this for a long time and only the backlash and the number of xbox live subs that have been cancelled. Why else would you need to take so long to respond to the backlash, had to talk to publishers to get there agreement to change terms of the under table deals youd agreed. You lost alot of gamers with reveal and are now to damage control the rest, this is one xbox gamer for 10years or so say bye bye this gen as im off to the world that is Sony.

SeannTHEsheep
SeannTHEsheep

microsoft are not locking out second hand games on the xbox one. they wont be taking a cut of the profit (£20 or 60%) this is not happening. if it was true we would have seen it on Sky or BBC news.  if its not on the news on tv then its not happening.

Lillypaw
Lillypaw

Fanatical gamers matter because they’re vocal, Blau said. As early adopters, they buy consoles as soon as they come out. While many will eventually buy a second console later in the cycle, which one they buy first matters for game sales and in setting trends. Such consumers spend 140 percent more on games than the average buyer, according to NPD Group.

Think someone forgot to tell Micromuppets, E3 to late to many Fanatical Gamers have already turned there backs on you. Me For One.

Banyek
Banyek

Damn it.. This thread is dead. I was soo looking foreward to be the 20000. commenter..

SKErwin
SKErwin

activation codes =========> hackers are welcome

Double_Wide
Double_Wide

This generation of gaming is going to be a bust. All three companies are rushing into it way too early. Its evident in the amount of restrictions and cutting back of fundemental features it takes just for these consoles to do what they were designed to do.

Instead, a bunch of time was invested around expanding the integration of other forms of media and social networking.

mindfreak4563
mindfreak4563

helloooooo. is anyone here. dammit the whole thread is dead.

Shewgenja
Shewgenja

It would be real easy for them to set aside all of these plans for DRM if they would just have the gamer put the disc in the tray in order to play a game.  They tout the "feature" of being able to play a game without a disc, but you are giving up your rights as a consumer because of such a silly thing.  The irony being, at least to me, that "getting up and changing discs doesn't matter" was the battlecry when MS went with DVD over a next-gen format with the XBox 360.


So, now we come full circle, and the One is by all accounts a closed system HTPC in a box.  It forces you to keep the thing connected and will in all serious likelihood charge you for the luxury of playing your games online.  I'd say it appalls me that people are cheering for this thing to win or that it frightens me, but the level of consumer sheep cultivated in this day and age leads me to expect nothing better.


Gamers just aren't what they used to be.  This is why they don't know how to make Metroid crawl (You'll have to look that up for the reference.)  The art of making games isn't even what it used to be and the critical thinking skills to be a gamer are almost dead and gone.  My biggest hope is that this next-gen proves me wrong on all counts.

silvergol
silvergol

PRE ORDER TROJAN!

PRE ORDER TROJAN right now!

by just buying A XBOX ONE 1 RIGHT NOW!

(You don't wanna fall on that,will son?)

Logan_uc
Logan_uc

so no "Dave" jokes her? Oh well.

AngelsongCA
AngelsongCA

Microsoft #1:  Well how can we piss off gamers even more than they are now?  I'm running out of ideas.

Microsoft #2:  I don't know insult their mothers?

Microsoft #1:  Program it into Kinect.

HAL-209
HAL-209

I am quite surprised at the response by MS. I've not seen backpedalling by a company    this fast or this far in quite some time. I still think they have some way to go, mind you.... but this is how feedback should work: come up with idea, see what people think of it and ditch it if nobody likes it. 

Thank goodness they they have abandoned some of this nonsense before E3 - if they flop there then there won't be any coming back. Next they need to assure people that single-player games won't require being hooked up to the internet for verification and my main gripes will be dealt with. 

Perhaps their business model should be more focussed on pleasing customers rather than working out how to milk them like cows. They still have some way to go on this front. I may have to wait and see whether they deliver any truly fantastic games before I consider picking up an Xbox one but I am less offended by the noises they are now making.  

Keep up the venting ... hopefully they'll get the message. 

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

I can't wait to do some really advanced things on the XBone, like watch cable TV...that'd be so COOL because cable TV is so new and cutting edge. Even though its 2013 I really love to watch commercials. Who needs streaming services?

Jdc01
Jdc01

Wii u should be sending thank you notes to ms execs.... Lol

Jdc01
Jdc01

A TV channel should make a reality show using the video feed from every living room using x1 , they can call it " gamer morons "

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

so M$....on gamespot i am seeing..

Backtracking and vagueness on Indies

Backtracking and vagueness on the issue of privacy

Apparently someone in Gerrmany doesn't have his head up his ass and can see what this truly is

Still no official explanation on the issue of used games, lending a particular game out, and the need to tie the game to both system and profile.....

Almost 24 hr M$ hate

Man, who knew you could sabotage and TANK a system before its launch? hell before its official unveiling!!!! M$ should actually get some respect cuz i did not know that they cared so much for Nintendo, that they came up with a plan to save the Wii u

> wii u

Super_Tramp
Super_Tramp

I am so ashamed of you all. Where the hell are my 20K comments?

Jdc01
Jdc01

We should be able to completely disconnect kinect, I don't trust them telling us that it will only turn on when you say "Xbox" what they are trying to do is a violation to our privacy and honestly scary.

Logan_uc
Logan_uc

Now that I've released the semi coherent ideas in my mind lets get back to the fun.

The trolling is slowing down  people, did you all took a Xbone to the knee or what?



Covering your genital in honey and pissing off an HIV positive bear > Xbone

Logan_uc
Logan_uc

Just so I'm not here only for the sake of trolling X1, I'm going to give a bit of advise for people who are thinking about buying a PC, I'm in no way a specialist but I think this point are very valid and important.

Intel will put on the market a new 1150 pin socket (to substitute 1155 and 1156) and the 2011 pin socket is also relatively new. Also they have intentions of realising 14nm architecture for CPUs in the near future.

AMD CPUs have bad memory latency and games not taking advantage of more than 4 cores make them, at the moment, not very good for gaming, but considering that the new gen consoles use AMD technology, both AMD CPUs and GPUs can possibly become much better gaming options in the future.

IMHO it's not the best time to buy a PC due to all this factors, buying a new CPU is all ways a big investment, if you also have to buy a motherboard it becomes quit a bit worst (never be to much of a cheapass on the motherboard, doesn't matter what you have on your PC, it only goes as far as the motherboard lets it).

Lillypaw
Lillypaw

Kinect 2.0 can be turned off HONEST says Microsoft if so why can't it be unplugged if it honestly OFF and not just Listening for oh i don't know Xbox kinect On ?

surferosh
surferosh

i like the 'updated' bit of news.... 

this is the way things should be.. there is no reason for publishers to claim an additional fee in order to let us play games.. now here's hoping that sony does something similar and not charge us... 

AngelsongCA
AngelsongCA

Problem is even the drooling masses watch their wallets.  They'll go for the cheaper option.  Wii U, most likely PS4.  The motion control fad is becoming old and tired.  And, people these days are a lot more informed and less trusting of listening and surveillance equipment, especially with hackers around.  Word of mouth will spread even to the droolers.

Logan_uc
Logan_uc

Now that every one is laughing and dancing at the incompetence of MS and  the failure of X1, I'm going to be the party pooper and make you think if this is really as it seems.

Xbox 360 was a success in north america but it wasn't that much on the rest of the world, PS3 with a bigger price tag and a year less of sales was more popular, and Xbox was even worst, if you go and see the figures more than half of Xbox 360 are made in north america, plus Win8 isn't having all that great of a reception. with this in mind can you say MS focus on internal market is a bad policy?

"Core" gamers are important, but do you really think that they are more profitable that the wide masses? Do you think a gamer console would be a guaranty of bigger profit? 

What do you think will be more likely to find and more profitable, a consumer that takes time to inform himself about the product and its advantages and disadvantages, or a consumer that goes " voice activated shiny, I want"? Don't you think that the gimmicks will sell better than a core gaming console to the average consumer?  Just look at this tread when it comes to PCs, people seem to think that you need a top of the line PC to play games at a High standard of quality, or they want to buy pre-made PC, instead of spending some time informing themselves about hardware to buy a PC optimized for there needs and slashing the price of it, and this are people who seem interested in the deals they make.

The north american market is different from the rest of the world, one example is Apple,  a leader in the US, but go to Europe and it's doing fine, but still losing terrain to the competition, Apple is the king of closed garden, shiny and gimmicky products, plus its overpriced as hell, and I assume X1 wont be in comparison to its direct competition, do you really think that this is a bad strategy for a north american focused product, and that do to its competitive price wont be popular all over the world.


Also do you really think that all the people that are crucifying X1 will not change their minds when the exclusives come out, or that every one gives a damn about spy kinetic or always on? Cant MS really change this policies?


IMHO don't just start pulling the fireworks out for the death of X1, you might get unpleasantly surprised.

gokulgamer
gokulgamer

Hey me too man I like variety a lot.what u said is true but what I said might also happen.There are chances for both

manguy69
manguy69

PS4 considering DRM as well, Nintendo wins lol

BatamanMaster
BatamanMaster

Hello people. And if we hire the badass Russell Crowe from Russell Crowe Fightin 'Around The World (SOUTH PARK) to hit the crazy guys from Microsoft??

If you have never seen this badass in action, see SOUTH PARK S06E05 "The New Terrance and Phillip Movie Trailer", you will not regret it.

Lillypaw
Lillypaw

I'm having Dinner and Watching TV via My Xbox on (Like that would Happen) I've had enough dinner and don't eat all my veg is the Xbox going to put TV on Standby, tell me until I eat my greens you ain't watching TV?

Logan_uc
Logan_uc

Wouldn't it be funny if the news programs started to voice the concerns about X1, making TV one of the enemies of a successful reception of X1 by the masses?

Talavaj
Talavaj

My my, can't believe Microsoft actually did it. 

By that I mean handed over the home console market to Sony before the battle even begun. Tough luck xbox fans, I guess ?

fredyellowone
fredyellowone

You asked for it?

I'm posting my essay another time!

Edit, with one more paragraph; and less errors.

The most common paradigm of the american history, is related to the "manifest destiny".  That destiny, which  was to bring democracy to the latin America in its infant stages, was in fact just an underlying utopy.  The true goal hidden under that fabulous utopy was to let the United States take control of the economy in a mostly poor and weak political latin America, plagued by a lot of corruption.  (thus came from and was directed by the United States.) 

A way to achive that control, was by the dollar diplomacy case (huge loans given to those States); and by the Roosevelt utopy ( US reserve it's own right to occupy rogue states, or to protect themselves from Europe.)

of course United States had to impose to the latin America a tribunal to judge the economic disparities and tensions between those countries and the United States.

All this came to the set up the customs laws like we know them today; free market policies, and market laws, in which; one might argue, that it's never the written goal that is the most important, but what is lying under it.

Like in this case, The will of the elites and Financial markets to keep Gamestop as a leading store in selling used games - and the profits made by Gamestop kept away from the people that need it the most, to please forces of conservatism; I.E. those who do profit and are involved in free markets : banks and trading stock holders.

And what about the Calvo clause?  That clause was defined by the guys from Venezuela to oppose to the economic imperialism teached by the United States.  A way to be different, more "good" for their own people.  But they were crushed, like any one who is not hating Microsoft is being crushed by now.  

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

Following last week's unbelievably disastrous console unveiling, everyone's attention strayed from the anti-consumer measures being touted by the Xbox One and it firmly landed on its arch-rival the PS4. Why were people concerned and worried about the PS4? Because many gamers are now worried that perhaps the leap from the Xbox One's used game fee(s) to the PS4 is not so far fetched and despite Sony confirming that used games could be played on the PS4, it was never clarified if there would be additional fees to do so. 


Well, new information from several sources are now claiming that Sony has been eying the crap-storm that followed the Xbox One out of the gate after key executives at Microsoft spilled the beans, and word around the block is that Sony will be axing any used game DRM policies following the consumer outrage. 

Gematsu gathered quite the information bubble and laid out the possibility of the PlayStation 4 completely forgoing any sort of used game restriction at all. 

The report points to several sources on NeoGaf – a forum site often used by employees of the gaming industry, either anonymously or conspicuously (and sometimes even viral marketers) – and one member had this to say about the PS4's used game DRM...

The jist of it is that Sony is listening to the backlash that Microsoft (MS) is getting and they are basing decisions off of this,” ... “I would assume MS is also, but I don’t know that for sure. But I can say, for sure, that the past week’s PR nightmare for MS has not been lost on Sony and they, in fact, do have a used game ‘solution’ working and have been going back and forth for months on whether to use it. This past week is pushing them strongly into ‘Yeah, let’s not use that.’ ”


So what makes this guy's post noteworthy? Well, because he has some follow-up information that you might want to read up on before making any final conclusions. In another NeoGaf posthe writes...

“I just heard on Friday that [the used games DRM] wasn’t [coming]. I didn’t want to come right out and post about it because leak-y individuals like myself are getting a bit too much attention. and I don’t care about myself, but I’m not really looking to get my friends into trouble. But I’ve confirmed it with a second person so I got dumb and posted it.”


It's not just idle twaddle and digital prattle to pass around from forum board to gaming websites, the posts above come with a message: Make it clear to Sony that you DO NOT want any form of DRM in place to prevent used games on the PlayStation 4. 

The NeoGaf poster tossed out the following Twitter accounts and wants YOU the gaming community to make it known to Sony's head honchos that the PS4 should be a DRM-free console. Send a brief message to one or all of the following individuals using the hashtags#PS4NoDRM and #PS4USEDGames

Sony is listening, so make your voices heard! 

Shuhei Yoshida (@yosp) – President, SCE Worldwide Studios.
John Koller (@jpkoller) – Head of Hardware Marketing, SCEA.
Guy Longworth (@luckylongworth) - Senior Vice President of Marketing and PlayStation Network, SCEA.
Scott Rohde (@rohdescott) - SVP of Product Development, SCE Worldwide Studios America, SCEA. 

bamarolltide16
bamarolltide16

Will people stop complaining now?
No? Ok then...never mind.

Lillypaw
Lillypaw

How about Find a problem and fix it.

Like Sony has the lightbar where if controllers are passed around the controller on left is on left of Screen.  Small Problem that might add say £5 to the console and £2 to the cost of the controller.

How much as the new kinect cost me which now records everything and see evertything and then talks to me aswell cost me?

As one way or another it will cost me if not in the console it will be hidden in the xbox live cost or something.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

*Microsoft boardroom a month ago*

Douchebag: Alright guys, here's the deal.  We need to force people to be online AND ban used games.  What do you think?

Voice of Reason: I, uh, I don't think consumers are gonna really accept both of those things.

Douchebag: You may be right.  Lets start by choosing one... We'll flip a coin

Voice of Reason: No-but, that's not what I-

Douchebag: Heads!  Ok, so we ban used games.

Douchebag 2: You know... We could just charge people to play used games.  That would deter them from buying used but still give the bastards  a choice... and then we could make money 2 or 3 times off the same game.

Douchebag: That's Brilliant!  I like the way you  think Douchebag 2.

Voice of Reason: But- wait, uh, that still wouldn't help 3rd-party-

Jackass: Oh and check this!!  If we tell them they only need to check-in online, then we can say that they don't need to ALWAYS be online, and everyone will eat it up like candy.  2 birds with one stone.

Douchebag: YES! *points to Jackass* That's what I'm talking about.  See boys,  that's how you get it done.

Voice of Reason: *facepalm*

Super_Tramp
Super_Tramp

Is it just me or was this taken off the front page?