Xbox One policy reversal a "win/win" for consumers, says GameFly

Rental company executive says original proposal would have been "detrimental" to various business systems.

Microsoft's decision to reverse its Xbox One used-game policy is a "win/win" for consumers, GameFly cofounder Sean Spector told Joystiq in a new interview.

"I always felt good about the future of GameFly, but I feel better today," Spector said. "Today is a win/win for consumers, as well as GameFly. I think choice is always important and now consumers have more choice. And I give [Microsoft] credit for listening to their consumers."

Spector went on to say that Microsoft's previous plan "would have been detrimental to lots of people's [business] systems" and not just GameFly's.

Microsoft's former policy stood to negatively impact GameFly's business, as it stated that Xbox One games could be shared only once, and only with someone a player has been friends with on Xbox Live for 30 days.

GameFly is not the only company to applaud Microsoft's policy reversal. GameStop, which makes a significant portion of its revenue from secondhand sales, said the move was "great news" for gamers.

GameStop shares have since surged.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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suade907
suade907

I'm leaning towards buying the PS4 but once I have the controllers in my hands I'll know. If the PS4 controller is anything like the ps3 I'll definitely be spending the extra cash for the xbox one even though I don't want all the tv and kinect features.

JynxGSpot
JynxGSpot

Its good seeing a company listening to its customers after much wait but its a real bummer to know that this change may have held back the gaming industry from going fully digital. If Microsoft had said, "Ok no more discs, all games are digitally downloads." Would people be mad? Sure - people without the ability to connect to the internet. However, that might have forced the production of more Wi-Fi range, more Internet capabilities, more countries getting the privilege of being Online. "How could that possibly happen?"You say.

Remember back to the first iMac? The original one. Apple did something that everyone hated. They got rid of the floppy disk drive. Everyone despised this because it was something that everyone was used to and everyone had. What did they replace the FDD with? A USB port. Now everyone degraded Apple even more as not everyone had devices or such that were compatible. 

Although , at the time, there weren't many things that supported the USB port in the iMac, as time went on, it forced hardware makers to make products that were compatible with both x86 PCs and Macs. This compatibility made USBs cross-platform which brought many benefits: hubs, scanners, storage devices, USB flash drives etc etc. 

Regardless of what people said about the USB drive, Apple went ahead to manufacture and include USB ports in all of their products over time. Now, pretty much all PCs, Laptops, and many devices have a USB port located on them.

Strange how, when a company stands their ground and goes against the consumer, in the end it was much better for the consumer. Anyone want to link this story to the possible outcome of if Microsoft went ahead with a purely digital world?

rasterror
rasterror

I'm just happy that I get to keep my Gamefly service and can't wait to load up my Game Q.  I wish they had an 8 game option though seeing that I split the games half and half with my son.  It kind of sucks that some One features I was looking forward to are getting dropped.  Oh well, it's for the good of the rest of the world. 

starjay009
starjay009

I am not so sure about this being good for consumers. What about the price ? It's freaking 100 dollars more than the PS4.. plus it's an inferior system. Nah, not interested. I will stick with my PS4. Too bad Microshaft... you should have had these policies in place from the inception of your new console. I will admit, I am an XBOX fan through and through. I love my 360 and is my current gen console by far. BUT.. it ends there. PS4 is my choice for next gen simply because SONY cared about ME and millions of other gamers. So good bye Microshaft and have fun milking your cows and slaughtering all the sheep who follow you into oblivion. 

Dangerous231
Dangerous231

i think its good that MS revered its policy's for those gamers who never have online but at the same time this could hold the industry back I mean if the customers were has connected now as they were back in 2001 we would  all  still be stuck with weaker  dial up b/c ppl are so scared of change

Infinity_Gauntl
Infinity_Gauntl

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SeAzhrei
SeAzhrei

I hear it was also good for CliffyB's twitter stream. lol

zzanzabar
zzanzabar

I think that Microsoft's 'ham-handed' handling of their next-gen gaming system has set the industry back YEARS.  Their 'bite the bullet' approach has alienated gamers across the board and over several continents.  There was NO need to try and shove the bad (constant online, limited used game sales, Kinect a MUST) along with the good (family sharing plan, one stop entertainment depot) down our collective throats.  Why didn't they just offer BOTH options to the consumer?  You want the family 'cloud' sharing option along with 24hr check in and constant online, then make it something that you can SELECT upon initialization of the console.  Instead, if you prefer the disk based gaming option then that is how YOUR Xboxone console will work (with the option to switch over anytime)  Obviously they can control these features at start-up through software. If they are so sure that the majority of gamers really want totally digital gaming then more and more people would switch over as they saw the value of digital.  If they had just THOUGHT it over, they could have easily sold their system to BOTH type of gamers.

I hear that several of the cloud based systems were actually considering something like game 'sharing' and were eager to see how it would work with the Xboxone.  Now they are going to have to make a risky decision based on NO available data, something companies are very reluctant to do.

Persiaprince2
Persiaprince2

In another article steam was being compared to what m$ wanted to do I say that's not the case. Cos for 1. Steam is a pc based application and Internet is an integral part of the computer2.. Steam does not need high bandwidth to function . I don't see any way how they are connected,

m$ had to change the policies cos they were heading to be the 2nd dreamcast

JangoF-76
JangoF-76

Yes, it's good news, but Microsoft don't deserve any credit. We all know they would've done it if they'd thought they could get away with it. Their reversal was motivated purely by fear of failure. If they gave two shits about what consumers want they wouldn't have come up with these policies in the first place.

Persiaprince2
Persiaprince2

I am beginning to understand the situation now-

All the consoles want to dominate a part of the Market not getting in each others way which would be bad for gamers (monopoly)

Unfortunately for m$ until you can get Internet in every corner of the world their own share of the Market won't be profitable

Triton
Triton

I'm so surprised that folks that make big bucks off rentals and used games are so happy by this news are are now MS best friend again. $$$ 

blackace
blackace

Gamefly would have lost some serious business if those policies stayed the same. I'm sure their president is happy now. lol!!

McGregor
McGregor

Read a few articles about how it wasn't the "community" that made the change, but Sony. I agree, that Sony offering a viable alternative had an impact, but the community voted with their wallets, and that is really what made microsoft change their mind. PS4 outselling the XB1 7 to 1 (a rumored amount apparently) on Amazon is the community winning, no matter what the bloggers say.

tionmedon
tionmedon

you never have this problem on PC......................fap it..

steelmouth
steelmouth

Yes every body wins except developers and that's fine with me as long as am one of the winners 

WantYouBad
WantYouBad

Has anyone tried GameFly? When I hear they mail you a game I feel wary of trying it. 1 month membership and spend what 4 days each time you exchange a game without one because it's in the mail? Sounds like BS.

chiyochan111
chiyochan111

Personally I use Gamefly account on games I need to play acouple hours and heistant on spend $60 on. 60 dollars for me is not as easy so I want to have fun playing not spend on something I hate. TMNT for the WII was a fine example I hated it and didnt buy it.

ajaxwalker
ajaxwalker

I think this is a win win for game fly and game stop, but not for the consumer. wouldn't it be better if the middle men were cut out and the money went to the publishers and the console gaming industry became like steam. The only way this would happen is through XBone original policies. If the equivalent of steam could be replicated on consoles i think it would be a win win for developers and gamers. 

stevenjore
stevenjore

But Xbox One still spies on you... Also Microsoft still considers gamers to be garbage, so why buy their overpriced system when PS4 will be $100 cheaper and have even better specs?

hippiesanta
hippiesanta

no, no, no, MS always win at the end ... consumers don't know it yet

farcorners
farcorners

I would like to know if the current (after the 180) Trolling of Microsoft is coming from Sony Fanboys, or genuine 360 owners that remain angry and feel their loyalty had been betrayed. As if there would be a way of knowing.

Blue-Sky
Blue-Sky

Well it's not that big of a reflief for Gamefly because no one would have bought the X1. 

AzureBonds76
AzureBonds76

@starjay009 I wonder how many of the people that pre-ordered the PS4 already due to MS's bs would have got an Xbone instead. I would imagine that many, many core gamers, ya know, the ones who spend thousands and thousands of dollars on gaming (not the ones who buy 2 or 3 games a year) allready switched to Sony. The 100$ price difference is still very competitive for Sony and to be honest I prob. will just avoid getting a Xbone one in the future because this shit they tried to pull lost me as a customer even after reversing the policy.


Oh Starjay I don't think many of us lemming-ed into the abyss after looking at the preorder numbers from amazon.  The higher ups at MS didn't trust in our collective intelligence and although time heals all wounds I'm def. not going to forget this bs they tried to pull.

rasterror
rasterror

@starjay009 How can you say it's inferior when you haven't even touched it?  Sure specs wise it is inferior but so wasn't the 360 to the PS3.  I bet you weren't gonna even buy one.  To say a company cares about you is just absurd.  Trust me they use those terms only to pluck at your heart strings and get the only thing they care about, money from you.  I'm excited about both and with what I've seen game wise MS has the upper hand by a good amount but Sony has the studios so it will be something to see.  

italiano72
italiano72

@steelmouth 

This was a loss for consumers, once again fear has made people back down from progress...the only winners are going to be pirates.

Me and my friends already made plans about the game library we were going to share in the cloud, a HUGE saving we have now lost.

OldKye
OldKye

@steelmouth Also How come when I hate Sony I'm a Xbox fanboy, when I hate Microsoft I'm a PS4 fanboy, and When I hate Nintendo's Wii-U I'm a hard working member of society  with a respectable opinion on gaming?

OldKye
OldKye

@steelmouthI'm sorry but the article is idiotic from the start with they are acting like MS would have let you sell digital games but they were very clear "Digital games will be treated as they are now and disk based games can be sold to retailers partnered with Microsoft" meaning you couldn't sell digital games it's laughable to think they would have let you.

They only made one innovation about the idea clear we can sell only to who they want us too only at the price they want us too and they couldn't tell us what it was.

Do you trust Microsoft to give you great deals in a market without competition? or have you not been one of the people who remembers shelling out hundreds and hundreds of dollars on "Windows" when there were no OS's to compete with?

Microsoft is a company who is built on low prices until they crush competition and then milking consumers for every cent they have I respect how successful they have been and ever their contributions to the digital age but I'm not going to give them market control of my rights.

ZOD777
ZOD777

@McGregor Well, I would like to think that this is one of those chicken or the egg debates.  The consumers wouldn't have voted with their wallets if it were not for Sony being the better option.  So you could argue it either way.

McGregor
McGregor

@steelmouth They'll be fine moving 3 million new units instead of 2 million...Just because used games exist, doesn't mean a higher install base results in fewer sales...the potential goes up, not down.

stevenjore
stevenjore

@farcorners I haven't owned a playstation since the second one. I own a 360 and while I hardly play games on it anymore, I don't think I was ever a fan boy. Even if I disliked MS as a company I would still consider their new system IF IT WEREN'T SPYING ON ME, recording my movements, facial expressions (emotions) and thus reactions to whatever I'm seeing onscreen (including movies, commercials and television) and everything I say and that is said to me in its presence to very shady government agencies, and all without informing me though it is painfully obvious that is what would happen.

mattress805
mattress805

Shit I'm a genuine 360 owner. And I preordered two PS4s. I'll never buy another Microsoft console Again. Plus I hate Kinect. All the people I play with on Xbox live also consider motion controls a gimmick. They pre-ordered PS4s as well. Add to the fact that Xbox 180 + one game plus tax costs over $600... Not worth it. I value my privacy rights. Sony is doing what the Xbox 360 did before it came out... Create a very developer friendly machine.... And provide a pro Indie developer environment That will Help foster a lot of great games

Madjik2k2
Madjik2k2

@farcorners A little of both I'd wager.  In my own circle of friends, there are those who were Microsoft fanboys that swapped and haven't looked back yet.  Some flip flopped and at least one has gone from Sony to Microsoft.

Madjik2k2
Madjik2k2

@Blue-Sky It's a huge relief for GameFly.  They can continue to do business with all systems.  Xbox One as it was at E3 would have locked out an entire section of gamers for them.

CaveManCobb
CaveManCobb

@Blue-Sky How does that make sense? Something that ensures they will get business isn't a relief? 

flylikeIdo
flylikeIdo

@rasterror @starjay009 I play both systems.  I purchased one PS3.  The original FatBoy model. I still have it.

I have purchased 3 Xbox 360's.  First one red ring of death, Warranty never fixed it.  Second 360 the tray stopped ejecting.  Went in for warranty work 5 different times before it dropped a brand new disc inside the console and ruined it. Warranty never covered the game or fixed the system. I gave up and bought my third 360 which I still use today.  

I will still buy the new xbox as well as the ps4 but if I had to pick one well you read the story which do you think I would choose!

bakagami
bakagami

@rasterror @starjay009 Worst console ever....naw, j/k.  I sure that the Xbone will be the best though sheer attitude and wishful thinking :)

steelmouth
steelmouth

@OldKye @steelmouth put your mistrust and feelings about MS aside and judge the ideas on merit as they are and you have to admit they sound pretty good

gaming_binge
gaming_binge

@stevenjore its funny you're worried about spying when right at this moment the government is monitoring more and more of anything that you do, especially your phone calls and email.  don't believe it then look it up, its been all over the news lately, using the excuse of "preventing terrorism" throwing the boston bombing in our face so we won't object to being monitored

mattress805
mattress805

It's amazing how many people would've been put out of work because of Microsoft's draconian policies, had They continued on with them.

MysteryJ0ker
MysteryJ0ker

@Infinity_Gauntl @MysteryJ0ker 

This article has nothing to do with Amazon.  So now you are openly admitting you're part of a competitor to Amazon.

If anything, people shouldn't be supporting the companies that sent you here, because all you do is spam the comments feed.

OldKye
OldKye

@steelmouth I just did or I wouldn't have read the whole thing the amount of misunderstanding in it made my eyes bleed but I finished.

Btw mistrust is not a word to use for corporations lol they operate to make money nothing else it's not like one person even the CEO goes "let's not do that" and they stop lol stockholders vote, managers make small decisions and it operates like a machine.

Do you put all your faith in your car to never make you pay too much for gas lol?