Xbox One cloud streaming both "really cool and really problematic"

Previous Halo 4 streaming demo "was a grand experiment," says product planning chief Albert Penello.

Microsoft has said being able to play Xbox 360 games on Xbox One is both "really cool and really problematic" because of variable Internet connections.

Many have questioned whether Microsoft could achieve such a thing after it had previously shown Halo 4 running on a PC and Windows Phone via cloud streaming during a Microsoft company meeting. The demo was a prototype.

Speaking to Polygon this week, Xbox One product planning chief Albert Penello said the cloud streaming tech Microsoft had prototyped is both "really cool and really problematic, all at the same time, insofar as it's really super cool if you happen to have the world's most awesome Internet connection. It works way better than you'd expect it to."

"So managing quality of service, the tolerance people will have for it being crappy. Can you imagine, in this day and age, with the bad information around, and we can't control the quality of that experience and make sure it's good, or have to tell people they can't do it?"

Specifically referencing the Halo 4 test, Penello said "it was a grand experiment, I know we did a lot of work behind it, and we said this is one of the things where the network just has to get better before we can do it."

"When that happens, you're going to have a really interesting conversation around that; can I actually run Xbox One games that way as well."

When asked about Sony's plans to use the cloud-based Gaikai service to make older PlayStation titles run on the PlayStation 4, Penello said, "I'll be really interested to see how our friends [at Sony] deal with this problem. But I can tell you, it's totally possible. We like it, we're fans of the cloud. We're not shy about that."

Former Xbox chief Don Mattrick downplayed the idea of of the Xbox One playing Xbox 360 games after the console was first unveiled. "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards," said Mattrick at the time.

Microsoft will launch the Xbox One on November 22.

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telaros
telaros

The more I keep hearing about Gaikai the less I want a ps4. I seriously hate the Netflix to gaming approach to curb the whole "We still own what you buy, you only rent it." type deal. These are not 'future' systems made with the interests of consumers in mind. It's a way to minimize your control over the content you 'buy'.

And don't try to compare it to other digital services. I can fully travel with my laptop without internet access at all, for months, and play all my games offline that are or support offline. Gaikai requires *constant* no hiccup internet connection to work at all times. ALL TIMES. And once you run out of subscription or your ISP crashes on you or your modem dies, you're screwed. You'll never OWN anything. And if you played console games you'd know that a lot of what makes consoles so damn fun is the SINGLE PLAYER EXPERIENCE which so many devs are trying to cheese their way out of making and going heavy for the casual "I'M A HARDCORE GAMER TOO BECAUSE I PLAY HARDCORE CoD/BF, IT'S COOL TO BE A GAMER, HURR~" wannabes that wouldn't know *true* gaming if bit them in the ass.

Consoles are dieing out BECAUSE they ignored and shunned the ones who MADE GAMING A THING. You ignore us for the sake of quick bucks with FPS clones of whatever is 'popular' then using that money to work on something fresh and FUN and offer everyone *variety*, that thing people call the "spice of life", it's no wonder people ignore consoles more and more these days. And that's not even getting into how companies thinks we gamers are stupid uneducated thugs they can market Season Scam Passes and Day One *MUST HAVE* DLC and their 'exclusive' BUY ME NOWpre-order bonus weapons. And still haven't touched on how they still try to justify keeping year old games at 60 bucks while selling 'map packs' to people at 29 bucks.

HELL LOOK AT CoD GHOSTS AND THEIR COCKERY BS SEASON PASS! 110 bucks? $49 dollars for a *promise* of YET TO COME maps? Dude, how stupid are people that you throw away money NOW for something months to years later? You would make more money just making it pay to play at this rate.

Anywho, sitting back to see how these systems work out. Personally, their is *zero* reason to dive into this next gen given the lack of exclusives and content we're getting. Don't be fooled with how purdy da graphics loo~k, no take it from a TRUE gamer that these "experiences" they are offering is NOT in any way new. These are things that could of been achieved years ago, and you're seeing it now. That $10 upgrade will only net you more particle effects and better paint job.

Just, be careful what you buy is all. The more season scams and games you buy from overly arrogant publishers will only tell them you are OK with being used and that they can continue to take advantage of you with only putting in minimal effort into their games. They all aim to turn everything into cloud eventually so they can charge you a subscription fee. You'll never own anything anymore. Those are not services I wish to support.

moesuir
moesuir

I have faith that Sony can make Gaikai work........LMAO, NOT!!

scgarfield
scgarfield

M$ waiting for Sony to show them how its done...... AGAIN!

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

Poor Albert.

Still Lost With His Head In The Cloud.

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

I agree streaming content is not easy.

Blazen702
Blazen702

Playstation's new terms of service agreement states that the price you pay for a game on disc or for a digital download allows you to play the game at Sony's discretion and that you do not own the game on said disc or on your hard drive. You are simply paying for the license to use that software. Also states that since you do not own the game you are not allowed to sell, trade or share said game. Get ready for Sony to screw everyone. Some of you fanboys say not to trust Ms but you Sony boys should look in your own backyard cause Sony about to bend you all over.

jakesnakeel
jakesnakeel

Microsoft sure projects the idea that Sony is the Daddy that we are all following.   Starting with backtracking on all their original plans, changed to mimick whatever Sony decided to do.  I know it's out of context, but these leaders at MS just always say the wrong thing and come off as dumb sheep.  

Fursnake
Fursnake

I still can't get over Mattrick's comment about backwards compaptibility, did he think he sounded clever or something? That was such an asinine thing say.

Ladiesman17
Ladiesman17

Just release Xbox 360 games on PC, it's cheaper that way.. with 3rd party support (GOG, Mod Community) it could last for decade, Microsoft don't even need to put extra money on that..

Cloud maintenance are very, very expensive... developing expensive tech just for backlogs are total suicide, expect to see huge failure comes from Gaikai.

Vambran
Vambran

Lets say you buy a 60$ Xbox One game that is designed to require cloud processing to play. Whats to stop Microsoft from shutting down cloud servers for that game after X amount of years? 

Will that game become vapour ware ( Like with AOE Online and the shut down of Games For Windows). I know some people trade in a game when they are done and could care less , but as a semi-collector this concerns me.

randomkidlol
randomkidlol

Of course its problematic. Its why its being rejected by most consumers ever since you proposed the idea.

gamist
gamist

"If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards,"

Ahahahahahahahahaha classic!

M3o5nster
M3o5nster

GTA Online showed me all I need to know about the "cloud"...

Ra-Maxima
Ra-Maxima

No thanks I just want 2 keep my Xbone clean, or there will be technicals problem

PetJel
PetJel

so the cloud stinks

RicanV
RicanV moderator

Sony isn't worried. They won't address it.

KamuiFei
KamuiFei

About time they spoke some truth about "the cloud". You can have all the servers in the world, unlimited bandwidth spanning across the world; it's useless without the hardware and proper data processing to access it. If they attempted their so-called "4k cloud gaming" with the Xbone, it would explode. The hardware simply can't handle all that data. ISP servers would cap in minutes.

Techtroll
Techtroll

Not hearing a word about 300,000 servers now

Garm31
Garm31

Selling something without actually letting the consumer physically own it. Surly that is illegal? If we are only  borrowing or steaming the data from a server, then isn't that rental?. Then the games should be rental prices. If I buy something I want to physically own it. I want the data on my system.

masterace101
masterace101

so my shitty internet cannot run THE CLOUD??? good to know

scgarfield
scgarfield

@Blazen702 Then why did sony do a "how to loan a game to your friend" pisstake video towards m$? Their recent FAQ sated you can loan and sell your games.

rasterror
rasterror

@Blazen702 And where did you see this?  Unless you have an official copy then keep it moving.

Ravenlore_basic
Ravenlore_basic

@Blazen702 Oh yea that is right just like this gen when we HAD to pay for P2P service, and still had advertisements, and commercials, then the price was raised for such great commercials,

 and when we had to pay for a proprietary HDD that was over priced,  also peripherals that were Proprietary and thus there were less to choose from. .. 

Oh wait that was Microsoft!!!

On PS3 there was free MP service, and PSN+ gave you free games, no commercials, for less.  Freedom to update the HDD, use any peripheral that you wanted..... 

So IF it happens I will be right there with you stoning Sony.. my only question is why has Microsoft escaped the same treatment for what they HAVE DONE!!!!

Blazen702
Blazen702

Actually you are wrong. It's known that Sony waited for Xbox to announce their plans first before deciding what to do. They had the same restrictions for DRM and always on and included PS eye but after the backlash MS got they changed now they adding music service copying Xbox. You are letting your fanboyism show

Techtroll
Techtroll

The funny part is it didn't even phase him he just found an easier job with a better salary

sakaixx
sakaixx

@Ladiesman17 how you mod a game that isn't in your hard drive ? plus I we embrace the future , gaikai/cloud gaming is the best posible way to combat piracy (T.T) and doesn't need beefy computer to run it , just a great n steady connection

Ladiesman17
Ladiesman17

@Vambran

It might end up like MAG (PS3), $60 flying to heaven... at least on a PC you could set your own server.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

@Vambran It will more than likely get shut down, but by that time it's likely the hardware we own will be able to run the games without the cloud anyway.

Shadowdanc3r
Shadowdanc3r

@gamist  Sounds like the comment was aimed at technology but it could be (mis)interpreted as a shot at the Wii U, the only next-gen console to offer backwards compatibility.

Blazen702
Blazen702

The X1 is 4k ready. PS4 isn't. Haha

gilldominic
gilldominic

@Techtroll They're all busy running bot programs designed to leave negative comments and reviews about the PS4 and positive ones about the Xbox One, the project goes live next week. ;)

gilldominic
gilldominic

@Garm31 You pay for experiences/products/services that aren't physical things provided to you all the time don't? Your understanding of the law seems confused.

tom2750
tom2750

@Garm31 no its not renting because once you buy it you on it you can play it 5 years after you purchase it plus we don't even know if gakai on the ps4 is a subscription based service or if you buy each game individually I hope its subscription I would love to be able to stream every single ps1,ps2 and ps3 game for like 120 or less a year tho my internet isn't that good tho apparently they have managed to make gakai run really well without amazing internet speeds hopefully so otherwise I wont be able to use it because my fucking country voted for a new prime minister but our old one promised everyone fibre optic internet if he got re elected instead I am stuck with my same not that fast download speeds

Dr_takapotku
Dr_takapotku

@masterace101 Connections are fast enough to produce actually better looking "real time graphics" maybe in about 5-10 years or never. Even my 100mb connection is slow as hell when it comes to that. 

lelio
lelio

@Blazen702 Sony announced in Feb that there was no online requirement and no restrictions on used games.

jakesnakeel
jakesnakeel

@Blazen702 Conspiracy much? That's just silly and it sounds like you are really reaching for a way to make MS look good.  I  do hold it against them that they were trying to pull that crap.  I would guess if the roles were reversed that you would be bitching about Sony.

hystavito
hystavito

@sakaixx @Ladiesman17 Just don't forget that with streamed games they can be taken away at any time.  It's kind of sad, even if you just think of it as preserving art.  In the future, when games are all streamed, once a game gets old it could be shut off and lost forever as no one in the public will have a copy of it.  As I said, it's not just a loss from a consumer standpoint, but it's a little tiny piece of history/culture that is essentially lost forever.

Vambran
Vambran

@JimmeyBurrows @Vambran  

Lets say Next Next Gen Xbox is powerful enough to play the games without cloud. Will Microsoft transfer over our games somehow? Or will we have to rebuy them from Xbox-Live.

Would suck building up a 3000$ video game collection only to have to rebuy everything when the cloud servers are shut down.

Vambran
Vambran

@Blazen702  

really? So all my arcade games can transfer over to the Xbox ONE?

Blazen702
Blazen702

Xbox 360 and X1 are fully transferable using Xbox live gold account. Everything is accessible and 1 account covers both consoles and you get to keep all your downloaded games and gamer score. Get your facts right

JLCrogue
JLCrogue

@Vambran @JimmeyBurrows If the current transition to Xbox One is any indication, then yes, you're gonna have to buy all those Xbox Live games again, because the ones you bought on Xbox 360 aren't transferable. I think Sony is the only one that will allow us to keep our PSN games from PS3 to PS4, although I could be wrong on that. At least they said our PS+ accounts are transferable, which probably means your games are too once they're compatible with PS4 architecture.