Xbox One backlash was unfair, says Molyneux

Former Microsoft executive says company was blasted too harshly for its since-reversed next-generation online and DRM policies.

The backlash Microsoft faced surrounding the Xbox One's since-reversed online and DRM policies was unfair, according to Peter Molyneux, former Microsoft executive-turned-independent developer.

"It's quite an unfair thought that Microsoft are trying to control our gaming, they're trying to force us to be online all the time," Molyneux told TechRadar in a new interview. "[People] didn't really think that through."

Molyneux said the Xbox One's former online requirement was actually a bold vision for the future and not something gamers should have been wary of.

"I know Microsoft, I know they were only doing things because they thought they were long-reaching and long-thinking," Molyneux said. "But the world we live in now is that we have to realise, especially if you're a big corporation, if you make one step wrong, the world will leap on you, and unfairly, very unfairly, they will judge you."

Though the Xbox One no longer requires an Internet connection, Molyneux said there is no escaping a future when a constant connection is king.

"Whether as consumers we like it or not, just like every form of technology interaction, there's an inevitability of online," Molyneux said. "We know that online is so much a part of our existence now that we're going to be in a world very soon where we have to be online all the time."

"A mobile device is more and more non-functional without a connection to the Internet, and why should that be any different for consoles?"

Informing gamers of the "real benefit" of being online is the challenge Microsoft faces, Molyneux said.

"If you have an online experience where millions of people interact together, something unique happens," he said. "And we don't use that enough in gaming."

Id Software co-founder John Carmack, who recently took a full-time job at Oculus VR, also defended Microsoft recently. During his QuakeCon keynote address, the industry veteran said the Xbox One "witch hunt" was "a little bit unjustified."

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McKnightx
McKnightx

Just imagine if an new iPhone can't text, can't make a call, or even lunch an app without internet,  I'll bet there will be an uproar too from the consumers, Molyneux. Is a useless device who wants it? There still places out there in the world where internet is limited. The world that where we have to be online all the time is not here yet. Is not soon. Not in this generations. Like you said "Microsoft is a long-reaching or long-thinking", well..too long. Maybe next time in the future where everything we do has a restriction, but you can't just put that long future thinking to the present and expect everyone to take in so easily. 

Wesleypipes777
Wesleypipes777

The CUSTOMER is always right !! Even if they are wrong.

picho86
picho86

I don't think that he's in a position to say anything after all of his scams. He has some nerve to stay in the scene like nothing has happened.

chiyochan111
chiyochan111

When a Navy Publication says bad stuff on the DRM questions its not random fanboys or a witch-hunt. People want a system where you can play it when you want. Did you not take a hint at the recent U-Play or Simcity debacles to realize it doesn't work. It didnt help the people who worked in your company made poor comments/suggestions to those who didnt have the internet service. 


Witch-hunt this was not  this was the customer says NO and we don't want it.  Kinda humiliating to realize your not the boss over consumers , consumers are the boss of you.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

"It's quite an unfair thought that Microsoft are trying to control our gaming, they're trying to force us to be online all the time,"

Really? So... Trying to make the XBox require an online connection, that's not trying to force us online? Locking games to a console to prevent trade-ins, that's not trying to control our gaming?

Really? Fascinating...

Shanks_D_Chop
Shanks_D_Chop

Molyneux... Shut the fuck up... Piss off... Stay there.

bezza2011
bezza2011

Shut up Molyneux, We had every right to create up roar, if we all went along with being online completely, the home console isn't a home console anymore, we give up our rights over what we buy and that will be the end, it's funny how online is becoming ever more popular but making real life situations less and less and thats what this would of created, at least we can go talk to our friends about a game and allow them to play it, if DRM was inforced on consoles then it will be chat to a friend online and share gameplay footage, interaction with the real world will be non existent for gamers. and i'm not ready for that

Rayrota
Rayrota

Let Peter Molyneux complain, at least he's not over-hyping one of his games again.

Glongold
Glongold

Major Nelson looks like he's in a green dungeon in that vid. Actually reminds me of the Magic Mirror from the D-TV music video series produced by Disney (yeah, I'm going waaaaaaaay back).

peteyboi29
peteyboi29

Microsoft  make mistakes and try to tell customers whats best for them,  Forced to change by them customers,  and get a titty lip because there proven wrong,   this type of behavior is very common in say..... nursery school children !!! 


grow up microsoft and just say these three simple little words   " WE   WERE    WRONG"  and move on its easy :)  


p.s. stop trying to spy on us you fucking kunts 



steelmouth
steelmouth

and now that MS have kinder "won" and pulled through they all speak, where the eff where you when Sony fanboys were crucifying us

Shmiity
Shmiity

Lol- my least favorite game creator trying to defend Microsoft. HEY- FABLE SUCKS. IT'S SHALLOW GARBAGE. I hate Peter Molyneux. Go home.

179107199999
179107199999

Peter Molyneux and John Carmack  need to shut up. That's another big problem with the gaming  industry too many behind kissers. MS deserved the publicity they earned. And now to try to curry favor with gamers they try to appease them by removing the what everyone saw as useless. As what was said before If Microsoft truly cared about gamers they wouldn't have implemented all of that "BS" in the first place.For them to do a 180 like that just shows they want money and truly think gamers are sheep.Its most unfortunate though. Many of us still are.I'm happy that many have spoken against MS but the fact of the matter still is in my opinion the United States Navy can't get good internet .That complaint sent everything in to motion and changed one portion of MS' strategy. THEN after that everything else fell in to play.Going back on Molyneux.Please. You're old news now.I'm willing to bet he defended his keeper just for a few more bread crumbs from the table.Too me he's over rated now.Never played his 1st masterpiece but I played Fable it was alright but the other 2 weren't special.Also the milking of the franchise now. No I'll never trust his words. 

Revl8n
Revl8n

Taking money for Fable 3 was unfair. Conducting the worst product launch in past decade...priceless.

Gekko135
Gekko135

"The internet is too mean" is what I'm reading here.

No, the problem is that Microsoft didn't explain anything in a way that would tell gaming demographics "this is good, you want this".

All people heard was "Used games are going bye-bye. Hope yer internet connection is good"

They didn't properly explain the benefits. And when they tried to, it was just more confusing each time. All the while, their competition saw this weakness and capitalized on it.... hard.

"But people are too stooopid. They explained it just fine!!" you might say...

...then why the backlash? Last I checked, a company is supposed to get consumers, dumb or smart, to WANT to buy their product.

MS simply did a poor job on it. And now they're re-writing their script every week.

Now it doesn't need the Kinect? So then why am I paying 100$ extra for one?!


No wonder everyone is making fun of them.

kohle36
kohle36

Witch hunt? People didn't like the policies and pre-order numbers reflected it. No one was burnt at a stake and IF anyone lost their job over it (Mattrick wasn't officially fired), it was because they failed at said job. Are we done with the melodrama and personal victimization now?

drev87
drev87

It was not unfair and if somebody still won't buy an xbox one because of their drm policy, that would still be fair. 


ArchoNils2
ArchoNils2

The fear of MSs power over its users is fair and so is a reaction to their behaviour. Canceling my preorder was mire for how they acted

BloodyAura
BloodyAura

It was unfair how we all reacted?! No, I think he and everyone else within MS misjudged the majority of gamers; assuming we're all sheep, instead proving that most of us still think for ourselves.

StaticKornSlipX
StaticKornSlipX

he has left Microsoft but he is still drinking the kool-aid.

cesarexec22
cesarexec22

ONLINE ALL THE TIME!?! ...smh 95% of the people here are too poor to afford really good internet , there is already major lag in games at times because of such shitty connections some people use ughhhhhhhhhhhh!

advancedcaveman
advancedcaveman

I have some questions.

1. If the mandatory online strategy was a "bold vision of the future," then why didn't Microsoft come right out of the gate and explain that future? I mean they didn't really say anything about it at all. They actually canceled meetings that were supposed to explain the situation to journalists. If there where such massive benefits to the system, then why didn't they talk about those benefits in great detail right when they unveiled the console? They didn't make any attempt to sell us on the online requirement on day one; they swept it under the rug. Doesn't that seem kind of fishy? I don't understand. 

2. What does he mean "A mobile device is more and more non functional without a connection to the internet?" I have an iPhone, I assume that's a "mobile device." I can turn it on and make phone calls without a wi-fi connection or a data connection. I can also play games, and use certain apps like Evernote without a direct internet connection. I can use the calendar, I can use the clock, I can do all sorts of computery tasks without any online connection. I can't use the internet, but accessing the internet isn't the entire purpose of a computer. I don't have to check in every 24 hours to just use the iPhone either. So, like, I don't get it. 

3. What is good and necessary about the "unique thing" that happens when millions of people interact together? Millions of people have been "interacting together" on the internet for nearly 2 decades now, this isn't some futuristic thing. Now I know lots of unique things happen on the internet; people insult each other using completely nebulous, segmented broken english. People trade really grotesque pornographic drawings of cartoon characters. People post conspiracy theories claiming there are lizard people living in the clouds or that or ozone is made by invisible bird monsters from the future. I agree that things like this are very unique, but why exactly does this mean we should have a game console that has to check in online every 24 hours? I don't understand the connection here.

4. If a constant online connection is so fantastic, then why is it so challenging to explain the "real benefit" to consumers? I would think that if something is genuinely so great it becomes absolutely necessary then the benefits would speak for themselves. But then I also know that a salesman will lie through his teeth to get you to buy something you don need. So again, what is the benefit? I don't get it.


edinko
edinko

I find it unfair that PEter overpromises and underdelivers every single time in the modern times.

I own the whole bullfrog collection on gog but he is just laughable in present times.

Customers didn't want to be raped by a company. How unfair!

DamnILoveGames
DamnILoveGames

What? They were forcing an online state on people when not even everyone has that. They disagreed and fought back. Jesus christ, with people like him it's incredible that they even changed it, but I guess money wins.

'...we're going to be in a world very soon where we have to be online all the time'.

Yeah right, try telling that to the army.

nyran125tk
nyran125tk

whatever, the answer is simple....you have the OPTION to be online and those that don't want to be , don't have to be. Pretty damn simple to me...

I didn't buy Diablo 3 or SimCity 5 because it was online only. I bought Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 platinum and torchlight 2 instead and I'm happy.

Also these company's seem to not care that Online only makes single player games run like sht for a lot of people. They act like the internet is picture perfect, lag free, ping free. It isn't , its not even close to being that perfect yet. It's miles from perfect. The day I get no lag or everyone has 0 ping. in COD and Battlefield or Counter Strike, is the day i'll decide if online all the time, is a good thing or not and we aren't there yet.

GhostofWar75
GhostofWar75

Whiny bastards. Your only saying its unfair because you were wrong microsoft


DeusGladiorum
DeusGladiorum

Of course online devices are becoming more and more integrated into our daily lives, but the services and applications provided through these devices which don't strictly need online access to work still function without being connected. So why should Microsoft have attempted to be any different? What possible benefit could consumers face through being restricted from any capabilities whatsoever if connectivity isn't in place? Here's the difference between my phone and Microsoft's "bold vision of the future": Without internet connectivity I can still use my phone as an alarm clock, e-reader, notepad, music playback device, camera, video recorder, calendar, clock, flashlight, voice recorder, calculator, photo viewer, video playback device, dictionary, and last but not least: video game system.  

Sargoroth
Sargoroth

Yeahyeah, everything's unfair, the world is unfair, the internet is unfair, your receding hair is unfair...what else is new? Seriously...shouldn't "news" be like...new?

SpinDie25
SpinDie25

Aww microsofts feelings are hurt wahh (wipes away tears with hundred dollar bills)

chris91090
chris91090

Stop comparing phones to gaming consoles, they are two different things and serve different purposes. Phones aren't required to be online, so neither should consoles, using their logic right?

Requiring something is going to alienate the people that can't fulfill the requirements, and then they will go to the competitor who offers the better option. You'd think a big corporation would realize that. They wanted the drm to prevent used games, but they won't tell you that to your face.

SpinDie25
SpinDie25

The only reason i own a console is to use it when the internet goes out in my house.. Idk what microsoft was thinking

jcplglob
jcplglob

He is talking nonsense. Is it really a problem for building next gen online future when unplugged console will still does its job to keep those without internet connection happy? Bullsh..t. MS just like every other huge company out there, when has too much market power, will forcefully dictate some solutions.

DJ-Wolfman09
DJ-Wolfman09

and of course he misses the whole point: not everyone can and will be constantly connected to the internet. yeah it'd be different if every country, every city and every household had free high speed internet that didn't fail, then there'd be no excuse, but that's not the case. I live in the city and have high speed internet but i can't guarantee 100% constant connectivity. it has blanked out plenty of times for me to worry if i had an Xbox One and it still had that damnd DRM. just imagine how screwed over those living in rural areas or those who can't afford it would be.

AzatiS
AzatiS

All those guys, working for big companies that making multimillion budget games let alone earning multimillion profits every generation is LOGICAL to not be against a constantly DRM ,  distribution thru digital form which means the whole 59.99/69.99 goes to pockets and not to fancy books , packages , exporting thru ships/planes etc...


AKA = GTFO you greedy bastards ... Everytime you open your damn mouth you claming you do all those craps for customers... Who the hell beleives you except some braindead fanboys ?! Gtfo!

LordCrisp
LordCrisp

@peteyboi29 Uhm... What planet did you fall down from? They already figured "they were wrong" (or really that people aren't ready for it), and changed their policy... what more do you really want? At least Microsoft isn't pushing forward their system by mocking the competition with what they have that the competition don't. Who REALLY the child of the to companys? I own both current systems and is no fanboy, so take that to consideration before starting to call me that plz :)

LordCrisp
LordCrisp

@Shmiity You might not like him, but he is one of the greatest and respected creators anyway... I'm not much for Fable either, it's too child friendly, but he was also the creator of the Black & White franchice which is one of my all time favorite games

steelmouth
steelmouth

@179107199999 the most unfortunate thing here is the naïve people like you who think there is a company let alone anyone who cares about its customers and the whole business is driven by that care for the consumer, WTF its all business we all in it for the money, no one becomes a billionaire/millionaire by caring more about their customers than maximising profit, even NGO and charity organisations make a shit load of cash for their directors

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

@drev87 now their drm policy is the same as sony's, "we have no drm's except those that the game developers want to add to their games" so basically sony is not drm free like they say. Have fun with Diablo 3 on ps3 you'll prob have to be online at all times and all the good stuff will be on the real money auction house.

valknight
valknight

@cesarexec22 My xbox is online 99.999 percent of the time that it is on. if it isn't on I probably don't have power or am at work. What do I care if it is online all the time? 

BloodyAura
BloodyAura

@cesarexec22 Even when someone DOES have good internet, like myself, (but I'm not rich) doesn't mean they should be ok with an online all the time policy, because it's MS controlling the consumer, watching them, supervising, as if we're all naughty children and they're are parents.

jariullah
jariullah

@Sargoroth NEWS stands for "North East West South." Also, this particular statement from Molyneux IS new... still doesn't change the fact that it's dumb though.

peteyboi29
peteyboi29

@LordCrisp my reply follows thusly

why are you defending "a company "????   

do you even know your self ???

I can guaranty you my friend that microsoft don't give a dogs bollock about you, so why defend them so vigorously ???  other than out of some misguided sense of loyalty to a product that you think has some sort of bearing towards who you are as an social entity ( which is false btw ) ???? so i ask again,  why defend them ???? when there trying to pull the wool over your eyes along with every body else ? ???? 

When you realize that we as the customer have the power and not the company,  then you will stop just being another walking wallet my friend.  happy gaming :) 

179107199999
179107199999

@steelmouth @179107199999 the most unfortunate thing here is consumers keep corporations a float. Know why Devil May Cry reboot failed? its because NT's Tameem was bad talking fans (consumers) like an immature idiot. Also the gameplay was nothing compared to the older games.Also SFxT failed because the consumers weren't satisfied that they had to buy characters already on the Disc. MS' ploy to change their ways was to APPEASE THE CONSUMERS. WE MAKE THEM WE PAY THEM WHEN CONUSMERS AREN'T HAPPY SALES SHOW OR IN THIS CASE PRE ORDER SALES.You show great ignorance at understanding the corporation consumer relation.Happy Conusmers will keep buying unhappy consumer will not buy or just leave to another Corp. that'll satisfy them. 

tablemountain
tablemountain

@steelmouth @179107199999 Well, obviously the inverse is true or Molyneux would not be having the epic fanny wobble that he is. To be precise, in the event that a company fails to please their customers, said customers will no longer purchase their products thus manipulating the revenue stream of those companies from which such customers would otherwise purchase products . Would Microsoft really have had to change their several million dollar investment (xbox one) if their behaviour was not subject to the opinions of their clientele as manifest in the customer outrage against their repressive DRM policies? Whatever planet you live on in which there are transcendental and omnipotent company CEO's who don't stay awake at night fearing the changing opinions of their customers is not planet earth. Join us sometime.

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

@stan_boyd @drev87 There is a core difference between DRM required by individual games and one required by the console itself. I can understand if MS said they needed the Xbox One to connect once a day to patch its own system software, but that was not how they sold it.

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

@valknight @cesarexec22 shhh valknight don't anger them, your logic does not compute, they are mad cause they don't want to be online so they come online to tell each other how much they hate being online.

steelmouth
steelmouth

@179107199999 @steelmouth my point is its all about the money, all this changes are to make MS money not to make us happy, its a fortunate coincidence that what makes us happy makes them money

valknight
valknight

@stan_boyd @valknight @cesarexec22 Here's a test for you guys. Go and turn off all of your internet for a week. And each time you go to do something that requires or even touches the internet you stop and write it down. See how much you use it daily.. then come back.