Xbox One and PS4 hardware "essentially the same," says John Carmack

Id Software co-founder says "it's almost weird how close" the two next-generation platforms are.

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The Xbox One and PlayStation 4 hardware are "essentially the same," according to id Software co-founder John Carmack.

"It's almost amazing how close they are in capabilities, how common they are," Carmack said during his QuakeCon keynote address. "And that the capabilities that they give are essentially the same."

He acknowledged that there are differences in memory architecture and other various technical specifications, but ultimately, "it's almost weird how close they are," he said.

"In the near-term, it's clearly going to be a good thing for developers, gamers…it's an excellent thing for AMD," Carmack added.

Also during his keynote address, Carmack said the backlash surrounding Microsoft's since-reversed Xbox One policies was somewhat unjustified.

"I think the witch hunt was a little bit unjustified there," Carmack said. "I personally am extremely fond of having all of my digital purchases in a curated garden. All of my iTunes, all of my Amazon stuff, all of my Steam things. And it's a positive thing."

The Xbox One ($500) and PS4 ($400) launch later this year.

Discussion

3928 comments
tionmedon
tionmedon

ps4/xb1 are mini PC`s.........

tionmedon
tionmedon

I will buy both for xclusives only but my PC is supreme.........

IQT786
IQT786

my pc will own both but I will be buying the PS4

wyan_
wyan_

I think it's better if both systems offer pretty much the same power. It makes it easier for devs to concentrate on making great games. Over the years Carmack has always been level headed, so I trust what he says. I'm glad this is the case.

buy2playz
buy2playz

Xbox One and PS4 Names "essentially the same," Bcoz Both Have Numerical Letter in Their Name says John Carmack

charlieboomboom
charlieboomboom

hmm i love my 360 but hate the company! ps4 all the way, and i only buy sony exclusive. Rest i buy for my pc

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

MicroSCAM is going to Lose it shirt on Xbone one 80 . The PS4 is going to Crush it . M$ better Do a price drop or can get rid of Kinect To compete with PS4 is Better design. Xbone will Only sell in America .Europe and Asia is going to get Destroyed

milomell
milomell

the only innovation i want out of my console is graphics and a good game with good story and features that is relevant to gaming and so far ps4 is doing that for me, for xbox the tv features is just meh, skype? come on we have smart tv, smart phone that can do that already

de-astroturfer
de-astroturfer

@PosiTVEMinD355 What and let M$ have unfettered access to weak and vulnerable minds and their wallets not fucking likely mate ;)

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles Except they arent sold. Amazon sales arent sales until they are shipped. There is no billing and is the worst way to judge somethings sale record. 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@evil_snuggles PS4 is £330? Or there about. Vita is about £200 for console and memory card. So I seriously doubt you will find a bundle for less than £450-£480. And that is without games for both.

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles LOL yeah right.. The vita has next to nothing on it. only reason to get that bundle is to sell the vita and get a 3ds. 

If they get it to work with the remote play concept it might be cool, but basically a copy of the Wiiu tech. Just play your games on the console you bought em for. 

And before you spam me with it's percentages it's a sony webpage the votes will be scewed. 

milomell
milomell

@charlieboomboom yeah i love the console but the company is all about money money to use every simple thing

valknight
valknight

@milomell How do you know what the tv features are like? You haven't seen any of them at all. 

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

Amen man brother preach if jumping around like a jackass is Being a innovator count me out please.

PosiTVEMinD355
PosiTVEMinD355

@de-astroturfer @PosiTVEMinD355 Lol.  To be honest I trust neither MS or Sony.  One for what they tried to do and the other for what they've already done. Regardless, i'm still getting both like a boss

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

Val you say Things that don't make sense. People Pre-ordered things to make sure they're available at launch . A Company can gauge the demand of their product base on preorders . Look at call of duty preorders Companies also look at search trends and Internet Popularity on the Internet . So do you think xbone will out sale PS4

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

Sometime Game console makers sale at a loss and vita sale are not great. It a great idea they can grow vitas base and sell more software for vita. It

RicanV
RicanV moderator

@valknight I'll disagree. The Vita has a pretty solid library. Add to that 1. Additional Controller 2. Remote Play 3. PSN+ Library of free Vita games. 

Urizen316
Urizen316

@milomell Yes, and Sony is a humanitarian organisation. They'd rather ruin the industry than see the other succeed. They steal everything and have done nothing right. Their only saving grace has been naughty dog and santa monica, without them the ps3 would've been the last console.

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

I own a Xbox 360 and Original Xbox How am I a fanboy. M$ got Sloppy They went to hard after the casual gamers and tv Crowd . But it's the core gamers that buy game console at launch and Before all the price drops. We Establish the leading game console PS4 is going to Get a large head start on xbone.

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

I have a tv and cable Already I don't need it in my game console . I want better Graphics so I feel like its real Photorealistic graphics please. More power = better game play .i don't like First-person shooters Call of duty Graphics look like crap. But I Might buy Battlefield 4 I like the Realism of their Graphics I want realism I want Arms and legs and head shot off.

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell huh? hahahahahaha we had tv features from the birth of jesus christ man the only thing xbox will offer is to voice command to switch between them

milomell
milomell

@evil_snuggles totally agree and forcing people do buy kinect is a bitch as well, so far i am a trophy hunter and the ps4 have every features that i want for that and socialize with u friends, it's just simple as that

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles Clearly you have never heard of ddr which is one of the most popular games in any arcade ever. 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@evil_snuggles Yeah totally. My main issue with the Vita is that there are some top games for most genres and yet Sony don't seem to be pushing all that hard for more. It is like they don't have faith in their own system.

I've been thinking it for a while I will hold onto my Vita for as long as necessary. Will try it out on the PS4 using remote play. Will play as many of the Vita, PSP, PS Classics as I fancy then if it hasn't improved I'll likely sell it on.

I really hope it does improve though, it is the best handheld I've used in terms of performance and general awesomeness.

PosiTVEMinD355
PosiTVEMinD355

@RicanV @valknight Vita has a solid library? I own a vita and it's sitting beneath an avalanche of dust.  What games are you referring to from this solid library?  btw you do know that our current PS3 psn library wont be compatible on PS4 right?

BigBossWato
BigBossWato

@Urizen316 @evil_snuggles Have you even look at the best seller list on amazon lately, on The best sellers so far for this year the PS4 is #3 behind $20 PSN card and 12 XBL gold respectively while the XB1 is #6. Also the Xb1 has one SKU in the top 100 while the PS4 has 4 there is no way the XB1 is selling better. In the future do your own research instead of relying on others.   

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles you are misquoting it. 

" According to Strategy Analytics, they state that the data “would imply” that the PS4 has a 50% edge over the Xbox One in potential sales. "

LOL  

valknight
valknight

@buy2playz It's actually a mis-statement. xbox preorders are better than sony's but sony has more bundles so its not a sure-fire either way. That and the fact that amazon doesnt charge anything for preorders means that someone could preorder 5 and not pay anything. 

buy2playz
buy2playz

@Urizen316 Any Link To Prove Your Claim,Who Said This to You.Whole World Know Which console Hav More Number Of Preorder.If U Hav Any proof Post it

Urizen316
Urizen316

@evil_snuggles but places like amazon already stated that the xbox has a lot more pre-orders than the ps4, I think the policy change got a lot of customers interested

BigBossWato
BigBossWato

@Urizen316 @milomell @valknight My only problem with the XBL Free game is that they are mostly 5 year old games, next month PS+ get Hitman Absolution and that game came out several months ago. 

Urizen316
Urizen316

@milomell @valknight well they are giving away games these days, sony has gone to a paid model aswell, so much for their principles

milomell
milomell

@valknight just like how company is watching out for there interest, the consumers are doing the same, i know xbl is a payed service to make there server runs better but Microsoft could at least give away free stuff every now and then but u will never gonna see that because ur mind is enslaved by the company

valknight
valknight

@buy2playz @valknight @evil_snuggles Really? Do you guys really want to play ps4  with the community that you see on here?  

I hope you guys who all cry go to ps4. The xbox community will be far better because of it. All you do is insult others and cry about something that has nothing to do with you.  You push at others when your system is nothing more than an upgrade to processor and ram. 

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles lol in the same article that carmack says that he is remaining neutral.. now saying that systems are equal..

Hell that isn't even an article. 

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

How is that PS4 has 50% More preorders that xbone one 80

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles But when Microsoft gets positive media you fony fanboys jump all over them. Link?

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

The PlayStation 4 have been receiving positive media reception from developers and future PS4 consumers over the past few months, Sony seems to have taken the lead in the best next-gen console. Lead core gameplay designer Alan Kertz of Battlefield 4, believes that Sony will take the crown for next generation gaming.

Kertz tweets, “I think Gen4 is now Sony’s game.”

While Kertz is praising the PS4 dice Thinks that PS4 is superior to xbone also

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles Battlefield has never had dismemberment. You can't say what either system will look like till they come out. You assume because ps has a slightly better hardware that it will be better, but microsoft is the King of operating systems. (For anyone to deny this would be absolute lunacy and outright denial.)  

Nobody beats Microsoft at operating systems. Everyone says that the new consoles are built like computers.. well thats where microsoft shines. Building computer operating systems. It will handle the hardware much better than the os from playstation. 

PosiTVEMinD355
PosiTVEMinD355

@milomell Please STFU, Sony watches out for consumers? Yea ok.  Not that I trust MS either but to say Sony cares for consumers is retarded on so many levels.  I plan on getting both consoles also but lets be mature about this and wait and see what happens.  Have you forgotten all the shit Sony did this Gen?

valknight
valknight

@milomell They watch out for consumers interests... They have a pattent to brick consoles. 

They also put viruses on their cds that would cause huge issues should the virus find a illigetimate copy of something on your computer. Look it up. Sony isn't the angel you think it is. 

milomell
milomell

@evil_snuggles this is why i prefer sony as a company they watch out for consumers interest and watch out for there interest as well because dealing with things in a way to have customers is always a good thing, valknight is braking Microsoft very bad it's like saying the company is always right and the consumers is always wrong and u can't be like that, not because u have money that shoot out of ur ass doesn't mean u must through ur money away and simple things but some people head will remain hard as a rock

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

I I could see if you could only do it on Xbox live but you can do it for free on PC or PS4

milomell
milomell

@evil_snuggles i find that annoying as well it's like they are saying give me money to use this bitch

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

I hate Xbox gold Paywall Can't use Internet browser Can't use Netflix Can't use YouTube Can't use Facebook Can't use the Espn You can't even watch game trailers.com

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell @evil_snuggles thats just ur opinion but am saying suppose u have frens over who wants to use ur pc, the xbox wud be an option to use ur apps and without gold u can't , paying for my internet bill already is enough but to keep paying for things that can use free of cost on other devices is just a bad experience, it's like u pay for the cake and u can't get access to it to even get a taste

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell @evil_snuggles am not saying miceosoft doesn't have good idea but the way they do things is all about money and everything is a restriction and u have a good point u can use all of those apps on ur phone and on ur PC without a problem but u of to get gold to use them on xbox?

valknight
valknight

@milomell Because they are extra features. Honestly without paying for gold you can simply play games. 

valknight
valknight

@milomell @valknight @evil_snuggles Well i use netflix and amazon prime. I would use the others but I have a smartphone, two laptops and a tablet. It is cool that you can do it though. I actually like the idea of the recording a video and then posting it on facebook. Especially if I did some cool snipeshot or something. 

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell @evil_snuggles i know u don't use most of those features but you have people that would like to browse facebook on there xbox and thats just sad when it's behind a pay wall for example if my sister is using my computer i could just simple jump on my console an access my apps from there but, all of those is behind a pay wall, u can access them on any other device but not xbox, microsoft just  forcing people to get gold to use every simple thing i quote!!!! just like how they are forcing you to buy kinect

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell not arguing this is just a normal conversation am just pointing out that most people find the fact that is a pain certain feature should stay outside the pay wall thats all am saying, this could be a good thing for microsoft and i know most of u would agree with me but, you all just find it hard because u think it's because it's wrong

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell i know i don't need them but paying a subscription fee within a subscription fee is just a let down for so many people

valknight
valknight

@milomell @valknight you pay the subscription to access the internet on the xbox. Simple as that. Opening up everything. 

But that being said you just said you don't want those features. You don't want tv features (netflix) and you don't want social networking. Whether its behind the pay subscription or not is irrelevant. 

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell thats the only features that u want on a console and so far on my ps3 nteflix is not behind psn plus pay wall meaning if my psn plus is expired i can still use my netflix and omg!!!! come on facebook is free everhwere except on xbl, u cant use something as simple as that without gold and u tube and other etc

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles You and the other tinfoil had kids should get together and build a tinfoil tent for you all to cuddle and cry under. 

valknight
valknight

@milomell @valknight Who cares? Are you going to buy a gaming console that primarily plays online games and not buy a subscription. I have 4 accounts for 100 bucks a year. Under your previous argument you won't use your playstaiton for any tv. so no netflix. No hulu or vudu or Internet explorer. 

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell and having netflix behind a pay wall and many other apps that have subscription as well is a good job for u don't it?

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

I wll never a. Buy spy camera And set it up in my house hell no

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell  i never talk which console is better and talk about which one is more powerful don't get me wrong because i really don't care because they both great consoles and eventually i will own both just like how i own both ps3 and xbox, it's just that extra feature that is not part of my gaming experience is boring, this is why i hate the new dashboard on xbox 360 with all these tv commercials that is not relevant for gaming and never say sony can't do none of that because u don't know, they can but they won'

valknight
valknight

@milomell @valknight You are proud that your device cannot do what another can? 

You guys always talk about what the ps can do more than xbox, but always come up short because all you are talking about is small time hardware differences. 

Those who say that they don't want voice commands in game, or possible motion controlls for some games or something as simple as someone sitting next to you with a controller and it sees their face an signs them in for you and brings them into your game. Sony can't do any of these. It's not just one small feature of voice. There is more to it and sony flat out can't do it. .. well let me take it back sony can do it for over 150 dollars more if you purchase their terrible move and eye. 

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell lol and that is a no that i am proud of and am glad sony didn't implement it because thats just unnecessary

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell why would i want to talk to my ps4 when i can just simple use my controller to do that? u see this is why u have so much fat people in this world they find it hard to do such simple things in there daily life

valknight
valknight

@milomell @valknight Switch between them without dashboarding or without closing out either program, which is extremely impressive if you ask me. Sony can't do it. 

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

MicroSCAM drank the kincet kool-aid Now they don't lose their shirt.

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles 24 million copies of kinect 1.0 isn't exactly a gimick.  You can't say anything about their system being better.. it's not out yet. Statements like that make you look like a little kid. 

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

The fact is microSCAM used R&D money on Gimmicks cameras and TV and cable. They Should have use those resources to make a better game Console a more powerful game console xbone one 80 is a joke . I wish they made a better game console to compete with Sony .everyday M$ Has some publicity stunt to compete with PS4 .They should I just made a better game console they dropped the ball

valknight
valknight

@evil_snuggles Nobody forces anyone to buy something. I don't want a freaking headset with my iphone when I buy it. You don't hear me cry like you kids..

valknight
valknight

@milomell @valknight @evil_snuggles The tv feature is simply to allow you to run the tv through your console. It isn't to replace your cable tv. 

Yet again.. Can you do it on ps. 

No you cannot. Who cares if you will or wont use it. Can you!!

evil_snuggles
evil_snuggles

What microSCAM is doing is not how the free Market works. You don't force customers to buy something they don't want . MicroSCAM will push away more customers than the attract with kinect. M$ would sell more xbone if they didn't Charge for kinect. I do Understand why the Spent a lot of money one development of kinect and They want to make their money back

milomell
milomell

@valknight @milomell @evil_snuggles i use 3rd party headset on my ps3 and it works like a charm but what ur missing out at the end of the day console are console but what Microsoft is trying to do is compete with every company, and i know people entitled to there own opinion but tv feature on a console is not innovation because tv is made for tv and console is made for gaming, when u have a feature on a console that took part in gaming thats what u call innovative like share gameplays, u stuck at a game and u get help from a friend thats what i want from my console, Microsoft cross game chat is a feature and am happy sony have that right now, share video of gameplay with friends yea they both can do that now but have extra features to a console that is not a part of my gaming experience is just a stray away from having a good gamin experience

valknight
valknight

@milomell @evil_snuggles Think about it this way.  

1 company sells peripheral thats not necessary: Companies will not produce content for a device that is not in every individual console. Why would they? Why waste time on something that someone might or might not have.    -  IE voice chat on playstation was terrible and most people didnt talk because it did not come with a mic. 

2 Company sells device with peripheral with every console:    Companies know that if they put something in the program every single gamer will have a chance to capitalize on the possibilities.  

valknight
valknight

@milomell @valknight @evil_snuggles And truthfully I do think Dead Rising 3 will be better than both of its predecessors. Maybe the kinect will let me wail my arms at it like a maniac.. Could be interesting. 

milomell
milomell

@valknight @evil_snuggles i think u mean DR3, but the honest truth is dead rising 1 and 2 was crap why u think 3 will be any better? wow a good innovative game with more zombies on your tv screen to kill