Xbox 360 sells 50 million, Kinect ships 8 million, XBL hits 30 million

CES 2011: Microsoft takes the stage to announce new sales milestones for gaming hardware, Avatar Kinect official; Netflix, Hulu gaining voice-recognition support this spring.

LAS VEGAS--As is the case each year, one of the centerpieces of the Consumer Electronics Show is the keynote address from the CEO of Microsoft. Since 2009, that job has fallen to Steve Ballmer, the software giant's current chief executive, who will be on hand Wednesday night to deliver a presentation outlining Microsoft's latest wares.

Game Room for Xbox Live was one of the big gaming announcements at CES 2010.

Last year, a significant section of that presentation was dedicated to gaming, with emcee duties during that period handled by former senior vice president of the Entertainment and Devices Division, Robbie Bach. (Bach has since left the company.) Last year, the biggest gaming news to emerge from the event was that Kinect--then called Project Natal--would ship during the 2010 holiday season. The company also took the wraps of Game Room for Xbox Live, which would let gamers revisit classic games in a virtual arcade, complete with original cabinet art.

This year, it appears one of Microsoft's big CES game reveals may have been blown, courtesy of some apparently leaked photos of the presentation's rehearsal. One such photo showed a slide for something called "Avatar Kinect," possibly a new service involving Xbox Live avatars controlled by the motion-sensing system. Microsoft declined to comment on the slide, which appears authentic.

Other possible CES reveals include the next wave of Kinect games, Windows Phone 7 games, and the latest sales statistics for the Xbox 360, which was the top-selling console in the US during several of the last months of 2010.

[6:38] Following the obligatory too-hip music montage blaring over the PA system comes the obligatory introduction of Gary Shapiro, president and CEO of the Consumer Electronics Association.

Welcome to Microsoft's keynote address!

[6:41] Surprise, he says, "This is my favorite week of the year."

[6:41] There are 2,700 companies displaying this year.

[6:45] After discussing the show's various aspects and keynote addresses, Shapiro introduces Steve Ballmer, who joined Microsoft as its first business manager in 1980.

[6:46] Ballmer lived down the hall from Bill Gates when they were both at Harvard.

[6:47] Cue Microsoft credits--and booming music--as Ballmer takes the stage.

[6:47] He begins with a rundown of 2010.

Steve Ballmer.

[6:48] The year saw the launch of Internet Explorer 9, Windows Phone 7, and Kinect.

[6:49] Tonight, we want to show "a little bit of what's coming next."

[6:49] He begins with the Xbox, which launched 10 years ago this year.

[6:50] Next was Xbox Live in 2002, a service that provided online gaming and eventually included music, video, and social networking, such as Facebook.

[6:51] Next up is Kinect, introduced last year, which was the biggest year in Xbox 360 history.

[6:52] No figures are offered, but a slick video montage shows people enjoying the Kinect and watching ESPN on Xbox Live.

[6:52] Cue celebrities promoting the game.

[6:53] Ballmer back, promising a sneak peek of what's in store for the Kinect later this year.

Is Microsoft on Team Edward or Team Jacob?

[6:55] First up is a demo of the Zune video marketplace, which will suggest movies via voice commands.

[6:55] He browses videos with his hands and then selects a movie by saying "Xbox. Play this."

[6:56] The movie--the latest Twilight film--picks up where he left off.

[6:57] He then navigates to the music hub of Zune with voice commands and skims through a playlist.

[6:58] The demonstrator then announces that this spring, Netflix movies and Hulu Plus will be able to be controlled sans controller with the Kinect.

A Kinect interface will be coming to Netflix soon.

[7:00] Now the subject moves to ESPN, and a clip is shown of the demonstrator trash-talking with his sister via Xbox Live while watching the Rose Bowl on Xbox Live.

[7:01] The demonstrator leaves, and the screen is suddenly filled with the Xbox Live avatar of Ballmer, who is now giving the presentation.

[7:02] He then shows how the Kinect will soon be able to recognize facial features, including smiles and even eyebrow raises.

[7:02] This will be done via a new feature called…Avatar Kinect.

[7:03] The service will let players interact as their avatars in 15 different settings and hang out.

[7:03] Due out this spring and free for all Xbox Live Gold members.

[7:04] Xbox Live now totals 30 million members, a new milestone.

[7:04] One person joins Xbox Live every two seconds.

[7:05] Over 50 million Xbox 360s sold worldwide.

[7:05] Kinect beat its 5 million forecast handily, selling 8 million units in just 60 days.

[UPDATE] Microsoft has since confirmed that 8 million Kinects were sold to retailers (sell-in) not to consumers (sell-through).

Announcing Avatar Kinect!

[7:06] Ballmer is now moving the subject to Windows Phone 7, which is integrated with Xbox Live.

[7:07] "It's Xbox Live on the go."

[7:07] A new game, Fable Coin Golf, will join other game spin-offs on Windows phones.

[7:07] Money made in the game will go right to a player's character in Fable III.

Fable Coin Golf, coming soon to Windows Phone 7.

[7:08] Cue montage of Windows Phone 7 games, like Fruit Ninja, and how Game Room Arcade titles will work on the device. Sims 3, Avatar Gadgets, and many other games also shown off.

[7:10] In developing the Windows Phone 7, Microsoft asked how it could simplify tasks and make applications easier to use.

[7:10] Nine phones were launched across 60 mobile operators in 30 countries.

Ballmer is, unsurprisingly, a big fan of WP7.

[7:12] In recent weeks, the device received a Kindle application.

[7:12] More than 20,000 developers have registered with Microsoft to develop apps.

[7:13] Nine out of 10 Windows Phone 7 customers would recommend a Windows Phone 7 phone to others.

[7:15] To put the device through its paces, Microsoft senior marketing manager Liz Sloan takes the stage, displaying levels of Cammie Dunaway-like pep.

[7:15] The Windows Phone 7 has a dedicated camera button, which works even when the camera is locked.

[7:15] Once taken, photos can be uploaded to Facebook with the touch of a button.

[7:18] She then shows off voice search, which she uses to find the nearest In & Out burger in seconds.

[7:18] She then shows "live tiles," dynamic tiles that show off such things as time of day and Facebook updates.

[7:18] The phone also uses Bing, Microsoft's new search engine.

[7:21] More than 5,500 new apps in the marketplace, including Amazon.com.

[7:22] She then shows off the Xbox Live section, which will feature such games as Need for Speed and Fruit Ninja, which Sloan plays….badly.

[7:23] Ballmer returns to talk about Windows PC.

[7:23] Windows 7 PCs now represent over 20 percent of all PCs connected to the Internet.

Seven copies of Windows 7 are sold every second!

[7:24] 20 million people are using the Internet Explorer beta, and over 500 million people use Windows Live.

[7:26] Mike Angiulo, corporate vice president, takes the stage.

[7:27] He shows off a new line of PCs, including ones featuring Intel's new chips that have both GPUs and CPUs on them.

[7:28] The next PC uses the new AMD chipset, Fusion, in an HP DM1 laptop.

Tablet time!

[7:30] Next up is a dual-touch laptop from ACER, which features two touch screens, the bottom one of which can become a keyboard when 10 fingers are pressed on the lower screen.

[7:33] Next up is a Microsoft Surface light table, which is hooked up to a dual-processors.

Touch recognition on the new, slimmer Microsoft Surface.
Windows will soon support ARM processors.

[7:37] The screen not only can recognize touch, but it can also read text placed on it.

[7:37] Ballmer is back.

[7:37] Now he is talking about the next version of Windows, which will support system on a chip from Intel, AMD, and ARM.

[7:39] Angiulo, who speaks incredibly fast, returns to talk about platform support for system on a chip.

An upcoming version of Windows running on a Snapdragon processor.

[7:42] He shows some more far-off projects. One version uses a future version of Windows on an Intel Atom system on a chip. The large experimental motherboard can be shrunk down to something the width of a pack of cigarettes.

[7:42] He also shows Qualcomm and Texas Instruments systems based on ARM chipsets, which run Windows natively. To prove his point, he runs Word on the latter system and prints out something on a standard USB printer.

[7:44] He then shows off the Iron Man trailer running on an Nvidia-ARM-based chipset in high definition. The video doesn't stutter at all, running very smoothly.

[7:54] Ballmer returns to the stage to beat a hasty treaty. And that's it from Microsoft!

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daledoback
daledoback

I swear that PS3 owners care more about Xbox 360 news then actual Xbox 360 owners. 360 players must be too busy actually playing games.

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warhawk-geeby
warhawk-geeby

I admit it.. I'm a sell confessed fanboy. I just don't many other folks admit it. I'm not ashamed though because I love my console. Maybe I'll turn over a new leaf and loves games regardless.. It's just so hard when there's so many idiots ranting about ridiculous 'facts'. Urgh. It annoys me.

godzillavskong
godzillavskong

@warhawk-geeby It goes both ways though, and you'll catch fanboys from both sides visiting a topic about the platform that they are sworn against, just to spit nonsense. I have all three, and I play my 360 the most, just because of personal preferences, but I think all three are very capable systems, with each having it's own strong points. Of the games you mentioned I think the only two that I disagree with you on is MGS4, and Warhawk. Those two were decent games to me, yet that's my opinion,and I'm not going to bash you for liking them so much.

warhawk-geeby
warhawk-geeby

@sleepnsurf Gotta love your comment. Telling me to admit that PS3 exclusives suck? Haha. Yeah okay.. Jealousy is a bad habit my boy. Little Big Panet = Revolutionary Uncharted = Brilliant immersion and story telling.. not to mention beautiful graphics Metal Gear Solid 4 = THE best game of the past few years without a doubt Killzone = Amazing graphics and story. Not the best FPS I'll admit (the phsyics are a bit stretched now and again) Warhawk = The most fun online game I've ever played. 4 years on nearly and I still play it every week. I could go on, the problem is you wouldn't appreciate it. The Playstation has that many A+ rated exclusives it's hilarious that you'd argue about it. I've told you Gears of War is good - I love it. But that's all you're getting.. Because quite frankly your console might as well be used as a fan heater for your room. @godzillavskong I know the xbox guys are stuck in their ways and will never change, they need help and I'm reaching out to them!

Choad-Warrior
Choad-Warrior

@PixelAddict It's true. Sony and MS especially play the let's do that too card. While Nintendo did its thing, depending on the fanbase to keep them going. But the me too and do our own thing cards, as you said, really make it good to be a gamer.

Which I find funny and odd. I used to be a Nintendo Power subscribing fanboy when I was younger. I blew off Sega, Sony and everyone else as the copycats and wannabes. But then I got my hands on Final Fantasy 7 (For PC) a year before the PS2 came out and have since been buying everyone's system.

Sadly at the cost of falling off the Nintendo wagon. I still buy their consoles and games, but for some reason, the magic isn't the same for me. My buddy did the opposite, he was in the Sega camp, and now rights physics engines for DS games up in Seattle and swears by Nintendo.

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

@Choad-Warrior You're right, the two companies reversed their strategy this generation. Which is funny, because they all say they pay attention to what they themselves are doing, etc etc. Clearly they are paying attention to each other when all the sudden they all have motion, HDD, wireless, etc etc. Microsoft definitely saw Sony's strategy last gen was superior, and that is how they went with this generation's Xbox. Sony saw the emerging competitor in Xbox and upped their game. Nintendo.. well they just don't seem to pay attention to either of these two big corporations and take cues from their legacy. I also think the feedback the Wiimote gives (sound cues) are reminiscent of the Dreamcast controller. These guys jostling for position and superiority just makes for better gaming for me. That's all i care about. :)

godzillavskong
godzillavskong

@BillyColeman It's always this way. Instead of taking it to the system wars forum they would rather start it here. It goes both ways though, and I see it from both sides. If you go to a topic about Sony's PS3, you see 360 fanboys being critical of it, and vice versa. They need to give it a rest because they aren't going to persuade most gamers to bow down to one, and only one holy console. I bet if you gave these same people all three of the consoles I can bet you that %90 of them would enjoy all three! I'm happy with all three,but while I have a preferred system, and I think there is a big difference between preferences, and being a fanboy.

BillyColeman
BillyColeman

what ill never get is hmmm WHY are sony guys in a full ass topic about Microsoft i mean its like get a life all ready you like your move and ps3 good then move along a get out of here

flyingdutchdog
flyingdutchdog

@toysoldier34 Oh dear, don't get so defensive ... I never indicated any superiority of any game or any system. I do, if you read carefully mention that it is "my opinion". One thing that is a fact (whether you have pay or not that's your choice), Xbox Live is so much superior than PSN. Would I rather have it for free? Why yes of course, however in this case you do get what you pay for or what you don't pay for.

jeremiah06
jeremiah06

I play mass effect on PC with my DualShock 3...

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DanielL5583

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Choad-Warrior
Choad-Warrior

@PixelAddict Indeed...which like I said, is why I was so shocked with the 360. Microsoft went through great pains to put out and maintain the first XBox as the industry standard of hardware. Networking, power under the hood, online and harddrive. The PS2 mantra was it does games and movies, but if you want more you gotta buy. Now the tables turned. The PS3 responded to MS in kind at launch. They threw everything they could think of into the console...and seemed to think the 100mil PS2 users would gladly toss $500-$600 their way. While MS took the PS2 route and gave you just the basics, and if you wanted more you had to buy. It really made this generation different and interesting. And as always, competition is good. While I pine for the days of SEGA vs Nintendo, I think this 3-way fight isn't as cluttered as some feared or claimed.

godzillavskong
godzillavskong

@PixelAddict Very true. Kinect Sports and Kinect Adventures are very solid titles, however Dance Central is a waste of $$. I'm sure Kinect is going to get it's share of shovelware, so let's hope most of these game sites give a honest review, and not biased to sway us towards a purchase we will regret.

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

@flyingdutchdog You criticize me for saying the exclusives on PS3 are good when you think they are bad and you say my opinion counts for nothing when your does? I pointed out God of War 3 and Heavy Rain that were both up for game of the years. Meaning that regardless of your opinion on the games, many people still love them and think they are great games. I also said nothing bad about exclusive games on 360, I like Gears of War and it is a great game. Alan Wake was a great game I really enjoyed. Never did I say anything was "god's gift to gamers." If there was anything that fits the description it would be PC gaming. There is no valid points or reason behind anything you attack me with. I was saying that PS3 exclusives can't be all that bad when a few are up for being some of the best of the year as was some 360 exclusives. I am a PC gamer and don't care whether I play my console only games on PS3 or 360. I usually choose to play them on PS3 mainly because I don't pay for Live since I wouldn't get much use out of them. If Live was free then I would probably play them on 360.

flyingdutchdog
flyingdutchdog

@Toysoldier34 You seem to be so proud of PS3 exclusives and oh so defensive in a subtle manner. Those exclusives (my opinion) for the most part are mediocre at best. And it is "your opinion" that they aren't ... that they are god's gift to gamers. Having a PS3 and Xbox, I just gotta say, I prefer the 360's exclusives much more. However, I never purchase a system for exclusives, I buy a system to play games and find that the 360 does it so much better ... that is my preference as the PS3 is your preference ... there is no need to defend it hiding behind for the most part, a mediocre array of games.

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

@Toysoldier34 No worries, glad to be of help. I have a few nitpicks about the Kinect, but I am really mostly satisfied. For a first round of games, I got better than I expected (for performance and for offerings). There are some total stinkers of gamers out there (Looking at you, Dance Masters, Motion Sports, Fighters Uncaged). But Fitness Evolved and Kinect Sports is enough motion for me for now. Plenty of other non-motion stuff to play... like CoD Nazi Zombies, Claptrap Revolution i never finished, AC: Brotherhood, etc etc. And at SOME point this gen of gaming i NEED to finish Bioshock 2.

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

@Choad-Warrior I remember the HDD add-on for the PS2, and was actually sort of excited by that (was wondering if my PS2's expansion bay would ever be used). But then I never felt the need to get it (and it wasn't really advertised strongly or as you say supported). The mem card seemed to do the job, I guess. I got the PS2 first (well, Dreamcast could arguably have been first, but i digress), but I like the innovations Microsoft pushed to the market. HD and online gaming was necessary. Dreamcast had a role in online, too. I like it when these companies push each other to innovate. It's a good time to be a gamer!

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

@mellow09 I'm not saying that older games aren't good. My point is that you can't have one hit song and keep bringing it up years later. It is like a 30 year old bragging about his letterman jacket. Back in 2006 and 2007 the 360 was going strong, but many games like Bioshock have made their way to PS3 also. Many like Mass Effect is also on PC where it is even better than it is on 360; so it isn't an exclusive to anything. In case you are wondering, I wasn't saying things like that a year ago. I am a PC gamer first and foremost. I always play games on PC because I get better controls and way better graphics. Recently I have been playing my Wii maybe second most with Mario Galaxy 2 and Donkey Kong. Then I played Enslaved on PS3 along with games off the PSN. Last game I played on my 360 was Alan Wake or Limbo because I don't see a reason to pay for Live to play only a few games on 360 I can get elsewhere for free online play.

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

@ekalbtwin Just so you know most PC games let you use a PS3 and 360 controller with them. I agree that while shooters are best with a mouse and keyboard, many genres like racing or many platforming games don't play as well without a controller. The PS3 controllers aren't compatible as is. But a programmer in China made a program called MotionJoy that has PS3 Dualshock drivers and you can customize everything about it. You can have it show up as a basic gamepad or you can have it emulate a 360 controller so in games it still shows up as 360 controller.

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

@sleepnsurf PS3 multiplatform games being worse than 360 games only really stands back in 2007 and 2008. There have been games like Dragon Age and Dante's Inferno that are better on PS3. Also, saying PS3 exclusives except for Uncharted is a completely false statement. God of War 3 and Heavy Rain were two games only on PS3 that were up for awards all over the place. Just so you know, many upcoming games have better things for PS3, like Dead Space 2 has bonus content that the 360 version doesn't have. Many of the 360's exclusives are on PC also, which means they aren't exclusive. For a game to be exclusive it means you need that system to play that game. Stop harassing other people with nothing to back it up.

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

@PixelAddict Thank you for the reply. I figured about that much for Kinect. I'm glad someone responded and didn't try to bash me for a reasonable question, and your answer felt honest and not like you are trying to defend your purchase and make it out to be some miracle system like many fanboys do.

shani_boy101
shani_boy101

@WilliamRLBaker "Are you really making that claim?" Yes, I am making that claim, and oh look, if you look at the new heading for the article, it says "Kinect SHIPS 8 million". Guess I was right.

godzillavskong
godzillavskong

@Indyskater While I like my Kinect , I couldn't agree more with you on the Bowling mini game. It was one of my least favorite games on Kinect Sports, simply for the reasons you listed. I think I would rather play the Wii's Bowling, which would seem a little more accurate. I think that some of the Kinect titles should come with some sort of extra peripheral, if needed, therefore making it a little more accurate, or engaging. Nothing extravagant , just something simple that the Kinect camera can pick up.

godzillavskong
godzillavskong

I'm sure there are going to be a few Sony loyalist posting on this topic about how many of these sales are from consumers who fell victim to the RROD, and had to buy the system again. Instead of just staying away from this topic they have to try to start a fanboy fire. I'm glad to see them sell the way they are, which means the console will obviously be supported a lot more than the original Xbox.

Indyskater
Indyskater

@ PixelAddict Yeah I've tried both. They both are fun although I prefer Sports Resort because the mechanics are more realistic then that of Kinect Sports bowling. Kinect makes you stand up but that doesn't make it more realistic. I can bowl sitting down in real life, too. It takes only one arm to toss a bowling ball down the lane. I hate how there is no release point in Kinect version. Hopefully when they make Kinect more accurate it can actually read the twist of the wrist.

Thisisstupid
Thisisstupid

I heard Mircosoft admitted that it was 8 million sold to stores but insists that's the same thing. I don't really think that's the same thing but then Sony played the same number game too with Move numbers. I am curious as to how well each actually sold. To real live people.

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

@Indyskater Never said it was realistic. Said it was *more* realistic. I really like Wii Sports Resort, but the bowling can be done sitting down. If you have tried both, you know what I mean. If you haven't... well then try it!

Indyskater
Indyskater

@ PixelAddict Bowling in Kinect Sports is far from realistic.

nitsujdragon
nitsujdragon

im a pretty 'hardcore' gamer, i got kinect and i love it, obviously the games arent as good, but theyre great party games, they get you moving, and theyre fun. the perks of kinect on the xbox 360 dashboard are also pretty cool, like if my controller ran out of batteries i can still locate to whatever i want. also the voice and face recognition is really cool, just turn on the box and it signs you in automatically!

Indyskater
Indyskater

The same 8 million people also bought a snuggie and tv hat. :P

blackace
blackace

@EmperorSupreme Power of advertising 8million duped into buying an overpriced camera only to play shovelware. I guess the old adage of games sell systems is out the window. ***************************************************************************** First of all the $500 million is for Kinect advertising for 5 years. Even though there are some shovelware on the Kinect (as well as the Move), gamers bought it to play the best games available for it. If you look at the sales, you'll see that Kinect Adventures, Dance Central, Kinectimals & KinectSports are the primary titles people are buying for the system. Those games are what's pushing the Kinect sales. Those games aren't shovelware. They aren't hardcore games, but Kinect is aimed for casual gamers.

mellow09
mellow09

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EmperorSupreme
EmperorSupreme

Power of advertising 8million duped into buying an overpriced camera only to play shovelware. I guess the old adage of games sell systems is out the window.

Choad-Warrior
Choad-Warrior

@WilliamRLBaker 1. Like that has stopped companies in the past. 2. I am genuinely curious when they said this. Link? @PixelAddict Well HDD as standard. The PS2 later released the HDD add-on, though it wasn't supported much. I think maybe he ment HDD as standard? Since M$ for some reason took the PS2 route this generation of giving you a bare bones system. Well recently changed with the "slim" models, but still. Those first 4 odd years were laughable when it came to included features.

RitsukoEX
RitsukoEX

Sure alot of haters here! Xbox360 freaking rules!! don't have to reply to haters! because I'm playing great games.

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

@CyberPenguin88 You realize the last gen Xbox was the only console with a HD, right? Just clarifying your point for you.

uglypinkmoose
uglypinkmoose

did I seriously just see a comment saying PSN owns Xbox arcade? please people don't come on here just to bash Microsoft.... especially when your talking out of your rear

Evo8u
Evo8u

@petch1984 I agree with u but I sometimes feel I have to say something back to people who say dumb things. I also own all the consoles and think fanboyism is stupid. Sometimes though I get so pissed at stupidity I have to say something back to it.

lowkey254
lowkey254

Are those xbox and kinect sales to stores or consumers?

ekalbtwin
ekalbtwin

@ CyberPenguin88: In the last few weeks I have come to agree with you almost completely. My 360 never died, but my brother's as well a three of my friends' have. The worst part about it is that it has so many great games and while many of them are on PC I like having a game pad rather than having to use a keyboard and mouse (not that I don't that I don't like using them, its just that I like it less unless its a FPS). It will be really nice if the next x box is reliable.

PixelAddict
PixelAddict

@Toysoldier34 You already mentioned Dance Central, so I won't go into that. The post "game" videos taken while you dance are HILARIOUS. Kinect Sports is a pretty decent title, and I don't hear people talking about it. Yes it is to compare with Wii Sports Resort and Champions, but it has something going for it the other consoles do not. I tend to think Kinect Sports is a deeper title, due to perspective changing slightly due to the Kinect tracking your body/skeleton in addition to where the virtual bowling ball or ping pong paddle should be. Bowling in particular is quite deep and more realistic. Never thought I'd say I liked bowling on a console! Again, the post-game videos are HILARIOUS. Your Shape: Fitness Evolved is the first fitness "game" I have seen worth anything. My wife got it for Christmas, and so I have used it some this past week as well. I suppose it depends on if you are into fitness. If you are like me, and you used to lift (300+ lb bench, etc), you know your way around a gym and likely still workout. This game really impresses me. Not only am I still sore after working out all week, I feel like there is room for me to improve. Because it watches every angle of every movement, there's no cheating, and the sensor tracks most everything very true. I'm impressed. Other than that, can't wait for Child of Eden. I'm open to all opinions and love all the systems, but no other system can offer what the Kinect can do for full-body tracking.

CyberPenguin88
CyberPenguin88

I have to say I'm not very fond of the X-box 360, it's to unrelible. Yes it's gotten better, but I just don't like microsoft as much as Nintendo or Sony. The original X-box was much better in my opinion (except for the lack of HD, but that is because it is the previous generation)

sleepnsurf
sleepnsurf

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