XBL Update Preview sign-ups beginning

Microsoft accepting submissions for feedback on new XBL dashboard, which will add ESPN, Netflix search, and Zune music marketplace.

Although the next Xbox Live dashboard update isn't expected until its traditional November release, Microsoft is already soliciting feedback on the features it will add. These include the ability for Xbox Live Gold-level members to search and edit Netflix queues, watch ESPN 3 content, and shop for music on the Zune Marketplace.

According to a post today on the blog of Xbox Live director of programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb, the software giant is currently accepting early testers for the new XBL dashboard. Those interested can sign up for a preview via the Microsoft Connect feedback site using the Windows Live ID tethered to their Xbox Live gamertag.

ESPN 3 is just one of the new features coming to Xbox Live.

Hryb said that since Microsoft is looking for "thousands" of participants, the chance that an applicant will be admitted to the preview is "good." Those applying to take part in the survey should have their console's serial number handy and also be aware that once installed, the new XBL dashboard cannot be uninstalled. (It can, however, be updated.) Participants will also be required to fill out a survey about the new features.

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BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix Actually i think u didnt fully understand me or i didnt make myself very clear but u just took the words right out of my mouth as u said "We're not getting the annual increase, so we're getting better value for money than you are, it seems."Now i understand ur arguement,this increase doesnt affect Europe much,but over here its a big deal.Some may say $60 for a whole year is not that much here in the states,but when all the pros and cons are taken into consideration,it is alot of money for this content.I havent tried the new dashboard so ill have to take ur word for it,but regardless this increase in the states is not reasonable and yes we are being overcharged in the states.I agree that planning for the future is very important which brings me back to my last comment.10,000,000 times 50=500,000,000 in one year.LOL thats a big number.And thats just an estimate.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

@BilkeLegenda - You think its value for money but we're being overcharged for it? Eh? See what I mean about cliches and not quite knowing what you're saying? You're right, there has been a severe backlash to the increase in America, but not as much here. We're not getting the annual increase, so we're getting better value for money than you are, it seems. Whilst one of the resons for the increase is the ESPN and Zune additions, its not the major factor. Forward planning is. They're building revenue to pay for the future of XBL. I've got the new dashboard beta update, and its pretty good. Still a little slow (I didn't say that), but still much improved. I expect the speed to be better with updates and beta testing (I didn't say that either). This is what the increase is partly for, too.

MattyWoah
MattyWoah

You didn't get the idea I had at all, but regardless, I still think you're mostly wrong. So you're saying its impossible for a console to do what a mobile phone can? Google "Windows Phone 7" and "Xbox Live Arcade". I can tether my T-Mobile Nexus One to my 360, wirelessly and have enough speed to headshot you in MW2. Also, research "widget" as this is what I had in mind. Not a constant stream during games, but simply direct, optional, basic streaming integration into the Xbox dashboard instead of separate programs that you have to load up to use. So inhale deeply and take that "wow" back. I'm sorry, but the 360 is capable of having a twitter feed streaming across the top (or bottom) half-inch of the screen (imagine the streaming feed on ESPN, for example).

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

And as far as moving away from that statement goes,well when the announcement was made,from what ive seen on numerous sites and all the people ive talked to online and offline,80% to 90% xbl users were very unhappy,to this day they are unhappy about it,and please correct me if im wrong here.He has to move away from that statement cuz its making M$ look bad/greedyLOL.

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

LOL,ur right i cant do anything about it.I admit that xbl is great value for money but i think we are being over charged thats all.Obviously this wont affect xbl because there are way to many xbl users today.Id just like to say that it wasnt my arguement that caused all the fuss because my arguement was acurate,and as u mention part of the increase is due to the new content.I still think thats the biggest reason for the increase but then again they have their excuses,what can i say.Its a great service but the price is alittle unreasonable in my opinion.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

Right, read the article. The main thing is, that we get different price increase to you. We only get the monthly increase, whereas you get the full yearly one as well. My point still stands that he said that the increase was due to inflation as well as other factors. But stating that its also due to the new content coming was not only not very accurate, but is what's caused all the fuss. He has since clarified his statement to move away from that statement, but it still stands that a part of the increase is due to the new content. Which makes my argument a little shaky, I have to admit. At least, in America it does. (Yet another reason I'm glad I aint American) I can only go on what is reported here, and affects me, after all. But I still stand by my argument that it is still good value for money, as the Major admitted, we've not had a price increase since launch, and given the fact that everything else in life now costs more, we're very lucky to only have this increase to contend with. It has been said, also, that the increase is also to pay for the new improvements to the backbone of XBL now that the original XBL has been cut. I do believe that you have the right to be upset with the increase, but it is something you can do nothing about and you also have to admit that XBL is indeed great value for money, all things considered.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

lol moderated and points loss. I'm going to cry, I swear...no honestly...

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

And I forgot to mention,as u said before 10million users times $50,i think thats a lot of money.

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix Wow im actually impressed by ur response this time cuz u make a point.But i have to say ur wrong cuz M$ admitted in an article a little while ago that they are rising the price cuz "someone has to pay for all this great content",which leads me to believe what i believe,otherwise this price doesnt make much sense to me.For some reason I cant find that article but if I do ill post the link for u.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

@dRuGGeRnaUt- O.K....backing away from the hypocritical sychopath now...no sudden movements or owt....we're all friends here...it's O.K...just take you're pills and it'll all be fine...

dRuGGeRnaUt
dRuGGeRnaUt

@noah-phoenix: Obviously you are making an attempt to provoke argument. Assuming i am american, and then calling me a "young-uns" when i am older than you is just ****. i didnt' say you do live in your moms basement, i said for all we know. You make assumptions constantly, yet FOR DAYS ON END have been coming on here to argue about maturity levels. I honestly think you must be insane, as i know of no one of your age that acts like this. I really for the sake of all humanity hope you are making some failed attempt at being funny. otherwise i dont know. Seriously man, go back and read my comment again, because obviously didnt the first time. And then maybe go do some "adult stuff" with all your mature friends. PS: no one needs to earn your respect, nor would anyone want the respect of someone like you hahaha HERES TO MATURITY *CHEERS*

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

@BilkeLegenda - Another thing...those add ons you say you don't agree with were addin in after launch. The price has been the same since launch, therefore MS have added these services in AT NO EXTRA COST TO YOU. The fact that there is now a slight rise is due to the fact that MS is comming close to running at a loss, due to the fact that they have not raised the price since launch. Also, the original XBL service has been finally shut down, and new services that you may well be interested in are on the way. MS have to pay for this future tech. If you weant the XBL service to stay the same stale way and not innovate and move ahead, then they should keep the price the same.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

@BilkeLegenda - But as I said, MS are not charging you for those services. They charge you for online gaming. At least 90% odd of it, anyway. The serivces you mentioned do enhance the overall service, and have actively attracted people to Xbox, inreasing the userbase and therefore giving MS a further incentive to invest and improve. Also, as I said before, we have not had a price rise since launch, we've had it good for too long, MS are now cashing in on the success, and righttly so. Look at the PSN service - its free and not anywhere near as good as XBL. Even they are now charging for their premium service, and anyone who thinks they're not heading for exactly the same price setup as XBL are off their rocker. As I also said, just because you personally believe that these services do not offer YOU PERSONALLY anything, does not mean they offer no one anything. It is all well and good you stating that you do not like the services it offers, but stating that you are being unfairly charged for those services is wrong. Your facts are wrong, therefore your opinion is flawed. I am simply showing you the error of your statements.

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

If i were having this conversation with a mature adult,such as dRuGGeRnaUt,this would have ended a long time ago in a mature manner.

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix Ill state my opinion one last time.I dont support this fee because the add-ons and upgrades that M$ gives us,such as zune,netflix,myspace,twitter,espn,facebook and so on,do not enhance the online gaming experience in any way shape or form which is y I believe we are being ripped off,if this is not a fact then I dont know what is.If these feautres do enhance the gaming experience then please explain how.It went on in such a futile manner because u insist on being so rude.If u were to put ur rude attitude aside this conversation would have eneded a while ago in a peaceful manner,and if u actually read my posts u will notice i even tried to end this in a peaceful manner.If i was having this conversation with a mature adult this would not have gone out of control.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

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dRuGGeRnaUt
dRuGGeRnaUt

noah-phoenix: just so you know, the older people get, the more set in their ways they also become. eventually becoming blind to everything that contradicts their belief system they have created. Young people may not have the experience that us 'old dawgs' do, but THEY are the dreamers, and the CREATORS of everything you come to gamespot to read about. If you were capable of thinking outside of your little computer screen you wouldn't treat young people this way, because someday they will be the ones taking care of you in a old folks home.

dRuGGeRnaUt
dRuGGeRnaUt

noah-phoenix: dude, i have read the argument you and bilkelenda are having, and i have to say it is the most immature argument ive seen in a while. Moreso on your part. Why you would try to argue that you are the more mature one?destroys your point entirely.. Assuming that "No one over 25 says peeps" or saying such things as "I am over 30, and therefore have a right to judge anyone by whatever means I deem neccessary, alright?" I honestly hope you are making a joke here because you are coming off as a po'ed six year old. PS: your english leaves alot to be desired, and also, to assume because you are older than someone you are wiser, is ignorant, for all we know you have lived for 30years in your moms basement arguing about maturity levels with teens on the internet. so please, prove you are the "MORE MATURE" one and stop arguing, you say that bilkelegenda is immature for not accepting other peoples opinions, look at your own comments(or life) and accept it yourself.

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix Unfortenately u still dont see what im basing my opinions off of.I fully understand everything Im saying but I dont think u do cuz of ur age.Heck I even tried bringing this to a peacefull end in which we both win but u insist on being rude and immature.I have decided I dont like the services for a very good reason which i have stated numerous times and u keep ignoring it.I believe it is ur age and immaturity that prohibits u from being a reasonable person and unable to have a clean debate without being extremely rude and disrespectful.My opinions dont just sound good,but they are also very reasonable,the problem heir is that u feel superior cuz ur 35+ years old and that is clouding ur judgement of everything.I do realize that none of this is getting through to u,but i feel that ive made a very strong and reasonable arguement and i stand by it.The pleasure was all mine.Thank U.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

@BilkeLegenda - If your opinion was an informed and fairly argumented one , then yes I would respect it. But as its based on nothing but immature speculation and half baked ideas, then I'm sorry but I take issue to people forming baseless opinions. You have every right to think that XBL is unfairly priced, but even as @qweasd54 rightly pointed out, when taken in comparison with other online services, its extremely competitively priced. I support paying for XBL because I have looked at the pro's and con's, looked at what it gives and what other similar services are priced at, and composed an informed and mature opinion. You have just decided you don't like it, and that's that. You have no room for others arguments and are incapable of changing your 'opinion', all because of your age. I do not respect anyone for no reason. No one deserves respect 'off the bat'. I do not expect you to respect me. Respect is earnt, not given. But, as I've said (and I do not appologize for being condesending either) your age and therefore your experience does not permit understanding of this concept yet. Its all well and good spouting cliches and sentences that you think sound good, but do you fully understand what it is you're saying about respect? I doubt it. I've enjoyed our little conversation, and feel that I have made a small difference to your opinion. Thanks!

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix HahahaLOL Ok,u should know that if u disrespect people that they will disrespect u as well.But Ill be the mature one here and try to bring an end to this.I have my opinion in which i dont support this fat fee.U have ur opinion in which u do support it.We both have our reasons.And I am mature enough to respect u and ur opinions.Can u be mature enough to respect me and my opinions,or is that too much to ask for?

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

As for value for money, I can assure you that if you were to see what revenue MS get for Live, and what they spend it on, you'd see that the majority does go into improving the core structur of live, the rest goes into advertising and buying content. Take Facebook as an example. Its a free service, alright you may not want to use it, but do you think MS would BUY a Facebook service for XBL and then not charge us for it? No, they haven't Facebook have paid MS to have it on XBL, therefore Facebook has cost MS and in turn us, nothing. Same goes for all the upcomming content. They may pay a little for some of it, I'm not 100% sure. The other thing is that XBL has been the same price since launch. Look at all the things they've added since launch that you do want, you've not paid extra for that. Well, now that extreme value for money is catching up with MS, and they want a little back. Get over it.

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

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BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix Since u insist on being proper,any person at ur age(if u are over 30 years old) should know better than to judge people by their terminology and such.So im not sure i believe ur story,secondly read ur own post and u will find that u admit that i am right.Ofcourse nobody wants to pay for anything,but we live in a democracy and everyone has a say,im way past high school/college mate.Ive accepted things for what they are cuz as u say there is nothing i or anyone else can do about it.But once again u dont see my point,$50 is alot of money,and soon it will be $60 for absolutely no reason,if they raised the price for a better gaming experience then i suppose it wouldnt be such a bad thing,but thats not the case now is it.They can add all the features they want,but those features have nothing to do with gaming.LOL maturity u say?Anyone at ur age would know that not respecting someone else's opinion is very immature,but u wouldnt know anything about that, would u old man?

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

@BilkeLegenda - I can pretty much gurantee I'm older than you, mate. For a start, no one over the age of 25 uses the word 'peeps', and since I'm over 5 years older than even that, I'd say I'm a few years more experienced than you. Secondly, you're wrong, again. The people you have spoken to on these forums DO NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM REPRESENT THE OVERALL OPINION OF THE 10MILLION XBL USERS. You said that the majority of XBL subscribers don't want to pay for it. That may be true, but everyone would rather not pay for their motrgage, or their car, or the 18 pairs of shoes their kids go through a year. Everyone would rather not have to pay for things. This is usually called Communism (ask your teacher/dad). As I said earlier, anyone who doesn't shop around and get it cheaper is better off just walking into MS HQ and handing over their soul. I don't pay any more than £25 a year for mine, which I feel is value for money. PS3 is free, and 'not very good'. ( I HAD one, sold it...because it was 'not very good'). It is a neccessary fee, and we get serious value for money. Adding features to entice more people in is just one of those things you're going to have to accept. There is nothing you can do about it. Just embrace it and see if there is anything it can give you....like maturity. Alright, son?

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

I exagerated alittle in the minor difference but u get my point.

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix Yeah I understand what ur saying,but u dont understand what im saying.Everyone ive talked to on his forum and off all agree that that this $50(gonna be $60 very soon)fee is absolutely unnecessary.I am very sure that I am older than u and that is y u cant understand this.10 million XBL users pay to play online cuz they dont have a choice,its been like that since the beginning,M$ said if u wonna play online u gotta pay,and for what are u really paying?Ill tell u what ur not paying for,to play online,ur paying for stuff like ESPN,twitter,facebook,zune,netflix and so on which is unnecessary on a console.If it wasnt for this content XBL would be free.M$ admitted this themselves but apparently some peeps didnt get the messege.Only a minority of peeps is happy with this cuz they dont know any better,they think "oh yeah we beez getting teh betterzz online gaming experienceszsz" when their not,its the same as psn with minor differences.I pay to play online cuz I dont have much of a choice,either that or get a ps3 right?And as I mentioned before,only a few peeps are interested in paying for content thats only a click away on the computer.I dont understand y this is so difficult for peeps to understand.U tell me?

blackace
blackace

Well, at least we know what the extra $10 will be paying for. All that ESPN content that Microsoft kept telling us would be FREE. lol!! Not free when you raise our subscription fee. I already have ESPN 3 on my cable, but it'll be cool to be able to go back and see what I missed using XBL. You can usually see highlights on ESPN, but not the full program. That's what I'm hoping this ESPN3 feature will provide. ********************************************************** @Heshertonfist What's a Zune? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Microsoft's version of the IPod. Costs just as much as an IPod too. Not a bad piece of hardware, but no where as popular as the IPod. [url]http://www.amazon.com/Zune-Video-MP3-Player-Black/dp/B003ES5GWW/ref=sr_1_4?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285432247&sr=8-4[/url]

qweasd54
qweasd54

For the past 5 years I have gladly played for xbl since Halo 2 came out.. and I wont stop now :D and lets do some math . 60$ a year = 16.4 cents a day 50$ if your lucky like me =13.6 cents a day 15$ a month for WoW = $180 a year (lol) people complain about paying for things but if you think about it .. the price is a great deal compared to most companies that charge for there services and is not even as good as the xbl service. If you cant even shell out that kind of money ..why do you even have a console of any kind at your house? why do you have a t.v. or a computer? lol

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

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supernaught360
supernaught360

@DeadnBuried Not going to let you off that easy pal - answer it: What is the S-I-G-N-I-F-I-C-A-N-C-E of those PS3 exclusives and in what C-O-N-T-E-X-T are you touting them? My assumption was: you were touting them as making the PS3 more enticing over the next 12 months. My reaction was: enticing to who?? And then I wrecked your whole point by mentioning the 360 already HAS exclusive games that are comparable in gametype/gameplay/stature to the PS3 exclusives you mentioned. What, were you just putting out a PSA (public service announcement) to be "informative", or were you not touting those exclusives as some kind of measure of the PS3 vs the 360?? I stand by my statement. Those PS3 exclusives (over the next 12 months) don't mean jack in context measuring the PS3 against the 360, and you don't KNOW when the 360's next round of exclusives are likely to be announced.

supernaught360
supernaught360

@manga777 lol, because Uncharted 2 is by FAR the most linear adventure title I think I've ever played. More recent Tomb Raider iterations have had more "open" environments, in Uncharted 2, you can practically see straight (and move straight) to your objective in every level. It actually made UC:2 more boring for me.

aGiantSquirrel
aGiantSquirrel

This just confirms my argument: that games are no longer for gamers... ESPN on Xbox, why you ask?, because a large majority of Xbox owners arent gamers, they merely casual gamers that play an occasional game of Halo and COD, then they watch sports. I remember when gaming was a nerdy thing to do. Gaming was so much better then. And now, Gaming companies and not focusing so much on gaming, but rather, they are more focused on adding crap that I dont want and DONT want to pay for!. I DO NOT want ESPN. WHen I turn on a Gaming console, I want to play a game, that simple, end of story. If I want to watch sports, Ill turn on the TV. In summary, to gaming companies, Stick with your core competencies and reason for being in the gaming indusrty, which is GAMING!!!! SO, Get FOCUSED!

manga777
manga777

@supernaught360 how is uncharted on-rails that doesn't make any sense it's got multiplayer and I haven't found any for tomb raider besides the new one and that's only co-op

Langway
Langway

I personally prefer Ford over Chevy.

bluehatman
bluehatman

@rng_cougar I completely agree with you.

rng_cougar
rng_cougar

@bluehatman exactly dude,people should simply want good quality games not whine about stuff like "OH U NOOB MY CONSOLE IS TEH BEST" you know

bluehatman
bluehatman

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DeadnBuried
DeadnBuried

@supernaught360 The fact that you can still list nothing else to come out for the 360 ends this discussion, but nice try sir. I'm not even going to get started on your ridiculous implication that Tomb Raider's even been RELEVANT let alone anywhere near as good as Uncharted. Have a good day.

supernaught360
supernaught360

@DeadnBuried Okay, let me put it this way: you keep touting these PS3 exclusives as somehow being a factor that elevates the PS3 above the 360, right? So... PS3 has Killzone 3, 360 has Gears Of War 3, and Halo Reach. PS3 has Disgaea 4, The Last Guardian, 360 has Fable 3. PS3 has Gran Turismo 4, 360 has Forza 3. Don't get all slobbery about another Final Fantasy or Sly cooper game - 360 owners simply aren't going to be tempted to buy PS3's for that kind of dreck. Of "exclusives that anyone cares about," (by which I mean reasons for 360 owners to be "envious") we're left with Twisted Metal, iNfamous 2, and Uncharted 3. Uncharted 3 is a strictly on-rails action platformer with ugly polygonal hair, garrish colors and a Tomb Raider rip off in the Nth degree - not a system seller with so many Tomb Raider games available for both consoles. If you can name ONE specific new gameplay trait that UC:3 has that Tomb Raider doesn't, I'll retract this. iNfamous 2. I have to admit, there's nothing like iNfamous exclusive to the 360, especially not Crackdown, and the sequel looks exciting. This could actually move some PS3's, because people are gonna be hungry for some open-world action with not much on the horizon in that genre. Twisted Metal... I'll just say, LOL. So, if it makes you sleep better at night just knowing you have those compelling exclusives, goody!

raptures330
raptures330

@admiral_picard Always got picked after the fat kid? Or not at all? Watching sports and playing games falls under the same category. Entertainment. Your Highness, Admiral Picard, should get off thy high horse before it bucks you off.

DeadnBuried
DeadnBuried

@supernaught360 I specifically said "confirmed exclusives" for a reason. Of course there's going to be more, but at this precise moment in time there's only two. I've looked and looked and found nothing more, nor has anyone been able to offer anymore up when I've raised the topic before. Do you have any to add to the list? Of course there will be more, but games never get announced with a release date 6 months later, so I'm very skeptical about the yet-to-be-released titles making it into next year. Also I didn't include the Move titles in the PS3 list, only the non-Move titles and I didn't even include HD collections, I told you that much as well, so far your comprehension skills aren't impressing me. Killzone 3, inFamous 2, Disgaea 4, Final Fantasy Versus 13, The Last Guardian, Gran Turismo 5, LittleBigPlanet 2, Twisted Metal. I'm fairly sure that's more than "2 exclusives to matter to anyone". Then you can bet your ass the inevitable Uncharted 3's going to make more than a splash too. To summarise; I must've hurt your feelings with the truth, I understand that this wasn't really the right place to post what I posted and for that I apologise, but every word I said was undisputable truth. Also, speaking of future titles you said, "You've only got two exclusives that matter to anyone"? Well you've only got two exclusives period. I'll gladly retract my statement if you can offer some more 360 exclusives to the list.

BilkeLegenda
BilkeLegenda

@Noah-Phoenix Wow u really are blind mate.The world doesnt revolve around me,it revolves aorund the majority mate,and if u read these posts u will find that the majority would agree with me.So that really makes u immutare,smallminded, and very thickheaded apparently.Ur too immature to realize that peeps dont wonna pay to play online,ur also too immature to realize that the only reason peeps pay live is cuz of all these features that are absolutely unnecesarry.By the way,a few is little and a majority is alot in case u werent aware of that.

Vambran
Vambran

I got an X-box to play games not watch sports or listen to backstreet boys. They should give us a an option of using a cheaper X-box live that just does games.

admiral_picard
admiral_picard

Oh right, how dare I have a brain unlike sports fans. They're mindless zombies. Just like those people obsessed with texting and facebook - all they do is stare at it, like a zombie shambling aimlessly. What the hell does anyone gain from being obsessed about sports? NOTHING. I'm not talking about playing them (which is exercise) I'm talking about just watching them, obsessing over stats, who beat who...WHY THE HELL DOES IT MATTER? Do you people have ANY LIFE at all? What makes you think people who game are the same? Of course there are losers who do obsess (Wow, check out WoW, Halo and MW2 if you want to see that going on on a pathetic level) but compare to the fact almost EVERYONE into sports is pathetically enthralled with them. They sit around and stare at TVs with sports news on, like it even matter in any regard. Remove sports from existence...NOTHING changes except people don't waste their times on stupid BS as much. Video games, at least you interact with - you really have to be pathetic and have no life to sit around and obsess over sports and sport statistics. They're the least contributing members of society, at least video games can improve your intelligence - sports just makes you even dumber. But don't you come on a GAMING website and tell me people who play video games have no life. You just hate being told what a LOT of people think, but politely don't say. Check out sportssuck.org if you don't believe me...

Noah-Phoenix
Noah-Phoenix

@Flint247 - Yup, and who are the ones laughing? MS/Sony/Activision/EA rake in our cash and laugh all the way to the bank whilst we argue over which console is best.