Wonderful 101 originally had cast of all-star Nintendo characters

Director Hideki Kamiya says original version of the game planned with roster of all-star Nintendo characters and other famous extras.

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Platinum Games' Wii U title The Wonderful 101 was originally conceived with a roster of Nintendo characters and other famous gaming headliners, producer Hideki Kamiya told Videogamer today at Gamescom.

"Originally, I got an order from the president of Platinum Games, Tatsuya Minami, asking me to create a game idea that had an all-star cast of Nintendo characters plus characters from other games and that's how the project started," Kamiya said.

"When you try and incorporate many characters with high popularity, there are fans who like certain characters more than others," he added. "I thought how I could satisfy everyone and make everyone happy and I came up with the idea of why not having everyone displayed in the game at the same time. That's where the idea was born."

This version of the game that would later become The Wonderful 101 was put on hold, Kamiya said. When Platinum Games did return to it, Kamiya said the game was changed to feature various original hero characters instead of established icons like Mario or Zelda.

The Wonderful 101 launches exclusively for the Wii U this week in Europe and September 15 in North America. For more, check out GameSpot's review.

Discussion

69 comments
telaros
telaros

and the change was the greatest thing to happen to Nintendo since launch. If this game was out then, it would of pushed more systems.

japanesegoth
japanesegoth

i dont' have a problem with it either way. as long as the game is fun i don't care who is in it. i totally understand why they would want to have existing nintendo characters though.  new things are scary :o

ziqi92
ziqi92

speaking of crossovers, will these guys appear in the next smash bros?

GameBeaten
GameBeaten

I think it is better that original characters were used. It makes The Wonderful 101 more unique. I can't wait until this game gets released in North America.

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

Aww, now I'm disappointed they didn't have the all-star Nintendo character cast. I think it would have been better!

The Wonderful 101 is a great game still

Diegoctba
Diegoctba

Probably it would be cool too.

g1rldraco7
g1rldraco7

Amazing how games change as they are being made.

RiKanKiDD
RiKanKiDD

I can see these characters ending up In The New Super Smash bros. haha

jd7904
jd7904

Did you know that a lot of Nintendo games are imagined as new IPs, but get nintendo characters thrown in because they tend not to sell as well without a Nintendo Character. Kirby's Epic Yarn being a good example. they almost made pikmin a mario game. In fact captain Olimar's name in Japan is Orima, an anagram  for Mario.

Bowser05
Bowser05

That would have been neat, but like most others here, I'm totally happy with how it looks now. Can't wait to pick this up.

SaudiFury
SaudiFury

i'm happy with the route they ultimately went with, personally.

Andrew1073
Andrew1073

Yea, do that so ALL your detractors could talk more crap.  Now it is a new IP for Nintendo, which everyone complained about anyway...seems like quite the no-brainer decision to me.

Marcster1994
Marcster1994

As cool as that would sound, Smash Bros. already exists.

SlimeSwayze
SlimeSwayze

That would have been awful, and would likely have been the final nail in the coffin regarding my interest in Nintendo characters. 

Tiwill44
Tiwill44

Interesting... I like the style they went for, but I'm wondering, perhaps the game would've been more of a system seller if all the characters came from existing Nintendo franchises? I mean, in a Smash Bros kind of way. If Smash Bros only had original characters, it would probably be less popular.

hotdiddykong
hotdiddykong

Not suprised


W101 IS a Nintendo IP technically

Its like when Rare made DKC for Nintendo and Platinum made Bayonetta for Sega (Until they went bankrupt, AGAIN, and let Nintendo use it for the sequel)

There are a couple of references to Nintendo games in W101, for example one of the shapes of Wonder Greens gun will resemble the Super Scope.


Im just sitting here waiting for either a Wonderful 101 Stage or an actual character for Smash Bros :3

Ovirew
Ovirew

I like the toy-looking superheroes, I think that's original!  Nintendo characters are in pretty much everything on Nintendo consoles.  Don't Nintendo fans get sick of it?  Don't they want something different?

Just my thinking.

Moonco
Moonco

Sega characters would have been a better choice

EasyComeEasyGo
EasyComeEasyGo

I smell a DLC with Nintendo Characters is on the way. I'm sure no one wil have a problem with a DLC since Platinum Games do DLC anyways.

atopp399
atopp399

Nintendo has very strict rules about using its characters in games.  Like Mario not jumping or whatever.  I doubt he could have made the game and satisfied those rules at the same time.

Senor_Kami
Senor_Kami

Well, he shot himself in the foot.  He complained on Twitter that he didn't think the game would sell and that it was unfortunate.  Turns out he had a way to guarantee like 3 million sales minimum and said, "nah."


I'm reminded of something a professor told me once: better to have 50% of a hit than 100% of a flop.

Sharkspawn80
Sharkspawn80

I like it the way it is. It's a  great game with lovable characters.

prime_l
prime_l

Anyone else think that character looks like the results of Viewtiful Joe and Batman's love child?

Rotondi
Rotondi

Does it really matter?  probably a little.  But the gameplay would have been exactly the same either way.  

The-Neon-Seal
The-Neon-Seal

Thank goodness they drop the usual banality in favor of originality.

blast880
blast880

First bayonetta 2 and now this fun game... not sure if platinum is the right choice for nintendo but it sure as hell is a right choice for me, lets just hope they dont buy them cause i want to enjoy their games on all platforms

northArrow
northArrow

Why am I not surprised Nintendo wanted another game with Mario in it!? Give it a rest guys

kiramasaki
kiramasaki

@GameBeaten Thats not what they say about super robot wars. And how popular would something like smash bros be with only original characters, not very.

Hurvl
Hurvl

@GH05T-666They already have Smash Bros. and PS3 has its PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale. It's good with something that offers new characters. Your opinion is shared by many, though, which is fun to think about whenever you hear someone complaining about Nintendo doing yet another game with their already established franchises. There's a reason why we get so many Mario and Zelda games - it's because people want those games.

GameBeaten
GameBeaten

@jd7904 This just got me thinking about "What if Geist had involved existing Nintendo characters?"

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@jd7904 

It's interesting how people hate on Nintendo for not having new ideas, yet when you break down many of their games, many of them could've easily become new IPs. People confuse new characters/story with new ideas. For most of these developers, coming up with a new character takes little to no effort, I mean, look how generic most of the protagonists in many Western games are nowadays. It's not like you're creating mascots where you really need to think of a character that will resonate with a large audience, just someone to play the game as.

dariusq
dariusq

@SaudiFury Ditto. This is probably as close to a new Viewtiful Joe game as we're likely to get.

GameBeaten
GameBeaten

@hotdiddykong Speaking of which, Nintendo also has ownership of the Geist IP despite not developing it directly. I only bring this up because Nintendo needs more new stuff to work on. Like that one notenoughshaders.com article talking about how Mach Rider has potential to be made into an open-world game: http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/05/04/mach-rider-perfect-nintendo-franchise-to-attract-older-gamers/

Nintendo needs to take advantage of what IP's they have to draw in people with something that isn't Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, etc.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Ovirew 

I just want something that's a lot of fun to play, some games I want a challenge from, others I want to have a blast with my friends. I honestly don't care if it's the same characters, actually it helps because then I know I'm getting a high quality experience. That's why I have no problems with Nintendo utilizing the strength of their franchises. Plus almost every new entry of their game feels distinct and fresh without overshadowing the previous entry. 

EasyComeEasyGo
EasyComeEasyGo

I wouldn't say he shot himself in the foot just yet, He can do a DLC if giving the chance.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@blast880 

Or you can just buy a Wii U instead of hoping that Platinum's games sell like crap. 

yavix
yavix

 @northArrow Did you actually read the article? It was the president of Platinum Games who wanted to use the Nintendo roster, not Nintendo.

ivanchiz
ivanchiz

@northArrow Ahhh...a nintendo basher who just doesn't care about facts. What's new?

Shadow_Fax
Shadow_Fax

@northArrowHideki Kamiya: "Originally, I got an order from the president of Platinum Games, Tatsuya Minami..,"

northArrow: "Why am I not surprised Nintendo wanted another game with Mario in it!?"

Find the error........


Hurvl
Hurvl

@GH05T-666 @RiKanKiDD Including the Wii Fit trainer in a game like Smash Bros. sounds almost as weird as including that Japanese looking disembodied head from Brain Age.

komuchen
komuchen

@EasyComeEasyGo I actually like what they did instead of going with Mario or whatever. It's actually nice flaming FU to Capcom

It wouldn't help shift sales that much - NSMBU didn't and even if they went with Nintendo characters, this game looks like for niche audience anyway. It won't be system seller, like Pikmin 3 wasn't, and it wouldn't been with Mario

northArrow
northArrow

@ivanchiz  I wasn't really bashing Nintendo, but I'd like them to be able to come up with some new ideas and characters instead of going back to the same old same old. The choice to make 101 without all the trademarked characters was a good idea

northArrow
northArrow

@Shadow_Fax You're correct, I didn't think Platinum games was an independent studio, especially if they were going to use trademarked figures owned by Nintendo.

komuchen
komuchen

@Senor_Kami @komuchen @EasyComeEasyGo It is FU to Capcom with Viewti... I mean Wonderful.

Mario is selling not because of Mario, but because it is a platformer. Pikmin and Mario are to different genres with very different pace. Also, this game, as you probably saw few times, is by people opinion like Pikmin, only it's not.

Pikmin is not selling that well, because it is pretty niche game. The first one sold like 1,8 mln copies, because people were curious about new IP from Miyamoto, and then sequel reached like 1,2 mln. It is not that much. I would love to agree with you in this, that Mario would help, but it won't.

Also with Pikmin 3 (played previous 2 on gamecube and they were ok, but not my cup of tea), I wasn't interested, and wasn't with W101, because at first I tought it would be something like Pikmin. After they released a demo for W101 I decided I give it a try, and I loved it and decided to give a chance for Pikmin 3 and... I also like it. People just have to try it and be more open minded? My point is, it's like saying that Europa Universalis would be selling better, if they threw Warcraft characters in there.

The biggest problem of Wii U is not lack of Mario in Pikmin or W101, but confusion about the console name. It's atrocious and people still really think it's accesory or re-design of Wii. They should change the name. They need to clear out the confusion about games and console.

Senor_Kami
Senor_Kami

@komuchen @EasyComeEasyGo Pikmin 3 has zero Nintendo characters in it.  If anything, it flopping proves the point.  Mario U sold 2 million copies, which is approaching literally everyone with Wii U having it.  3 million might have been an overestimate but the game would sell better with recognizable characters.

Also, how is his game flopping a FU to Capcom?  I love Kamiya, but wouldn't him putting out flop after flop be a sign that Capcom knew what they were doing when they let him go?

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@northArrow

Look at the best selling games this generation or just in general, almost all of the best selling games of all time were new entries to established franchises. Only time new IPs sell extremely well is when they're super hyped up and pretty much shoved down the general public's throat (like The Last of Us). 

I actually don't really see a difference between using Mario, a character that can fit into almost any role, or just coming up with generic new characters every game with slightly different stories but still the same type of character. 

Also I'm not saying that The Wonderful 101 needed Mario, it's great that they came up with something almost completely original that matches with what Nintendo's known for while still maintaining what Platinum's about.

northArrow
northArrow

@abHS4L88I don't agree with you, I think a lot of games would have sold fine with or without the same characters in it. The products individually are good I just wish they wouldn't reuse the same characters over and over. I've been a gamer since the '80's I'm burned out on Mario. 

Keeping him out of this game was the right call

northArrow
northArrow

@ivanchiz Read my response to Shadow, yes I was wrong about that, but that doesn't take away from the fact I think this game is better as is

ivanchiz
ivanchiz

@northArrow @ivanchiz Except, the proposal was made by Platinum games. You just accused Nintendo of doing something they didn't do without making sure it's true.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@northArrow

New ideas does not equal new characters. They consistently come up with new ideas then utilize their popular characters to deliver those ideas. Many of their major titles could've easily become brand new IPs, but they most likely wouldn't have done as well. For many developers, it's honestly not that hard to come up with a new character, I mean, look how generic most Western game protagonists look.