Wii U 'isn't going to work' says Pachter

Wedbush Securities' analyst skeptical of Nintendo's new console, says company won't get "lucky" again; claims Activision and others pressured firm into developing Pro Controller.

Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter has offered some harsh words about Nintendo's forthcoming Wii U console, saying during a Develop Conference presentation last week (via Edge) that the system plainly "isn't going to work."

Pachter probably isn't investing in Nintendo stock.

"I don’t get it," he said. "I think that essentially this is a solution in search of a problem. I mean, somebody had an idea--'let's make the controller a tablet'--and there aren't many games that are going to take advantage of that."

Pachter also claimed that Activision and publishers of other major franchises pressured Nintendo into developing the Wii U Pro Controller, a more traditional gamepad.

"Activision never said anything to me," he explained, "but I know that [for] big games like Call Of Duty they said, 'No, we're not putting it on there if you don't give us a conventional controller'. So they gave in."

Pachter had little faith in the original Wii at launch in 2006, calling the system "gimmicky." That system exploded with regards to popularity upon launch, and is currently the top-selling current-generation console. Pachter admitted this was true, but claimed that Nintendo's success will not be repeated.

"[The Wii] worked, they got lucky, [but] I don't think they're getting lucky with Wii U," he said. "I don't think they suck. I just think that they really believe that, 'If we're still novel, everything we do will work'. This isn't going to work. Hardcore gamers will buy them; hardcore Nintendo fanboys will buy it. They could put out a piece of cardboard and say that it'll play Mario and they'll buy it."

The Wii U is due out worldwide this holiday season.

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1001 comments
LordWaffleKing
LordWaffleKing

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Again, with the smear campaign. When was the last time they had an article saying "Wii U looks awesome" or "Wii U going to be a hardcore system?" Seriously. This guy doesn't even give a solid argument, he's just babbling opinionated nonsense. "Activision didn't say anything, but they totally made Nintendo make a Pro controller." "It won't work. The controller is stupid, and it won't work. I don't like it."

Michael83917
Michael83917

I'm also a bit skeptical of Nintendo's chances on this, but this Pachter guy thinks WiiU is going to sell to hardcore gamers as a primary audience? ... I understand that definitions of terms like "hardcore gamer" can get a bit fuzzy... but ... no.

Rinslowe
Rinslowe

Pachter should be forced to provide a disclaimer with every official comment he makes.

 

(What Ever I Say Will Undoubtedly Turn Out T Be The Exact Opposite).

 

Could get tricky with stock options, but should be pretty easy to work out for  gaming...

 

Bring on the Wii, U & everyone else - YAHTZE!

sambob530
sambob530

This article means that the Wii U will work incredibly well.

Apastron
Apastron

I wish that Michael Pachter didn't work.  That's if the pathetic part he has to play in society can actually be considered 'work'.

umcommon
umcommon

I'd like to meet him face to face so I can tell him what a huge D bag he is.  How does this guy even have a job?

iluvOP
iluvOP

Well I personally think that it will sell quite well but many will regret getting it. I personally wont get it. Back when I was at college by roomie had a WII. It was fun for around 5-6 hours. Next month he sold it because it was just a big dust collector after that. Good for children I suppose, to be interactive (clumsily) with games and all that, but for me its just..not good. I really prefer having just a normal controller or keyboard+mouse. Its how I like to play my games.

El_Zo1212o
El_Zo1212o

Y'know, I'm usually the one defending Michael Pachter, but that's just drivel. I had major reservations about slapping a touchscreen on a handheld. It turned out to be the biggest thing since sliced bread. Frankly, I think they did the console a disservice associating it with the Wii rather than calling it something like DS Home(or something catchier, but still branded DS). Because that's what it is. And just like the original DS, it'll take some time for developers to figure out how to use it, and other devs more time to figure our how to NOT use it, but when it gets over the inevitable Year One Blues stage, it will bring the respect back for Big N in the console space.

DoomglooM
DoomglooM

I will probably get one...and a PS3 if the PS4 isn't backwards compatible

LinkLuigi
LinkLuigi

I'm surprised that anyone can actually agree with this guy. Even if you think the Wii will fail, I find it hard to agree with him, personally. His reasoning were quite dumb, and, for your own sake, you shouldn't agree with one who says that the success of a console (thereby proving him wrong) was a "fluke". That reeks of opinion not based on any sort of fact, and as an analyst, that should be an immediate red flag to us.

rogue81
rogue81

I probably won't buy the WiiU but I'm not ready to call it dead on arrival. Let it play and see how it does. What the hell good does it do to call it a failure before you even get your hands on it?

Razer361
Razer361

I say, everyone who reads this buy a Wii U within the first month of release, and hopefully put Pachter out of a job!

Phange_2
Phange_2

Ironically, I think the Wii U's biggest flaw is not that it's gimmicky or that the newness won't sell units like it did with the Wii. Instead, the fundamental problem is that Nintendo has done such a poor job of differentiating it from the original Wii. The vast majority of laymen think the Wii U is simply a controller add-on for the Wii, and the fact that the system itself looks almost identical and uses Wii Remotes doesn't help.

 

When you've got a system with the same name that also looks the same as the previous model, you have a problem. It doesn't help that the Wii U will, at best, have price parity with the PS3 and 360 (but will likely be more expensive), yet have much less value-added features - BLU-RAY playback, etc.

 

When I look at the Wii U, I see a system that barely competes with the PS3 and 360 in terms of game support, online functionality, and multimedia support. A controller with a screen isn't exactly a huge selling point to me, especially since I already have an iPad and I generally am averse to gaming on anything that resembles a tablet.

 

I feel like the Wii U is jumping on a perceived bandwagon in the same way the Vita did - it's trying to merge the tablet/smartphone market with gaming. That's not exactly going well for the Vita right now.

Edunear
Edunear

Gods damn this man, I really don't get this why bash a console because its a game-play console instead of shiny pictures, like reading the Iliad and saying it sucked, just because there were no coloured pictures in it.

 

Some people like a game for pure game-play (me included) and don't care for the sceit that big producers pump out each year...

 

So keep at it Nintendo and all you Indie game-makers.

You've got my support.

Zabc0
Zabc0

"[The Wii] worked, they got lucky" That's hilarious, he thinks the success of a console was completely a fluke. The fact that this guy gets paid to pull this crap out from under him blows my mind.

ienjoyvidya
ienjoyvidya

Is Wii U supposed to be a next gen console or a new handheld? If its a next gen console, I laugh as it is no competition for CURRENT gen consoles, let alone next gen. If its a handheld, there's no reason for the 3ds and no reason for the Wii U because the PS Vita has pretty much all that the Wii U apparently has to offer, except for the flagship Nintendo games. But then again, Mario versus Nathan Drake? Not to mention that even the PS Vita will have more of the mainstream gaming market, as its confirmed that Call of Duty, Bioshock, and Street Fighter x Tekken will have their own Vita counter-part. I agree with him, the Wii U will sell because of its fanboys. Otherwise, its just a last gen tablet with Mario. And now comes the hate...

jerusaelem
jerusaelem

Well normally I buy Nintendo consoles for games like Mario, the Legend of Zelda, and Metroid, but I daresay that if Nintendo does NOT create a console capable of bringing me EVERY watered down, mediocre COD sequel on the market so's some microcephalic 12 year old special ed child drop out can spit racial slurs at me while playing multipla...ahhh hahahaha I can't even go on. Bringing up COD to prove your point against Nintendo's future success? If this pseudo intellectual chimp were to be paid for his inane gibberings in used napkins what spilled from an Arby's dumpster, he'd STILL be getting paid too much. 

 

Seriously though...COD in a Nintendo discussion. What a fing champ. *wipes a tear from the corner of his eye*

theKSMM
theKSMM

First off, I don't know why the mention of the name Michael Pachter causes so many of you gamers to go into fits.  Is it because you disagree with his "analyses" or because he actually gets paid to do it?  I'm always interested to hear the opinions of insiders...it doesn't hurt my feelings or invalidate me as a pesron just because his ideas conflict with my own.

 

As far as Nintendo's "luck" goes, I think it could go either way.  The Nintendo DS was novel, but the transition to the 3DS hasn't been as smooth.  Sadly, some of the same problems that kept devs off the DS are keeping them away from the 3DS...adding a 3D element didn't do much to make things better, so the games have been slow to trickle out.

 

Lots of people had fun with their Wiis, but for many folks that time has passed.  Nintendo might still be able to capture some loyalists if the price is low enough...getting a new console while still being able to play older games does have value, regardless of what Sony and Microsoft now say about it.  But Pachter is right about this much--the XBOX 360 + PlayStation 3 + PC trifecta works so well because devs can assume a certain baseline of processing power and physical controls.  Anything too far outside that norm means more time (and money) writing code, which eats into profits.  For many games on the Wii, that effort was not deemed worthwhile...why would anybody assume the Wii U will be different?

 

Making the tablet controller an option is a good idea, but many devs will say stick with the standard 14-button / two-stick controller we all use and make it easier for us to port our games.

PresidentDman
PresidentDman

Probably should be shares In Nintendo then. 

Alter_Echo
Alter_Echo

The only games I am interested in playing on the U that might possibly come out are first party titles that I can't get on another system. All of which would play better with a traditional contoller and since they are Nintendo titles, the chances of them having traditional support are approx less than a snowballs chance in hell.

 

Not even remotely interested.

DiscGuru101
DiscGuru101

Well, as long as the Wii U sells better than GC, Nintendo should be fine. Because if they can get a killer app with tablet functionality on it, like "Pokemon Online" we'll see it sell like hotcakes.

bomberfan14
bomberfan14

I agree with him. Nintendo has yet to give any reason as to why the WiiU's controller is like that, and will probably be a pain to programme games to. I honestly think it will bomb. Nintendo is also to being the best in promoting the system pre-launch, like not giving price or release date at this point.

IanNottinghamX
IanNottinghamX

I love how much stock Gamespot puts in this patcher guy who is an obvious troll it really says a lot about their own credibility overall. Why is his opinion any more important than any other troll he doesnt even have any information noone else has its just his opinion....and this deserves its own column why?????

thetravman
thetravman

"Hardcore gamers will buy them; hardcore Nintendo fanboys will buy it. They could put out a piece of cardboard and say that it'll play Mario and they'll buy it" Speculate all you want Pachter (I'm still in disbelief in why it's even a job), but refrain from comments like this. It's far from professional, it's insulting.

LtReviews
LtReviews

Console makers don't drive innovation. Developers drive innovation.

 

Nintendo doesn't innovate. Niether did Microsoft or Sony.  Minecraft inovated, so did Limbo, Braid, Frozen Synapse, Spaz, Endless Space, STALKER, Mirror's Edge, Left 4 Dead.

 

I could go on, but the bottom line is: Console makers should make their money, not by selling the consoles, but by licensing developer tools, and collecting development royalties.

 

It should not be the console maker saying "hey developers, this is how we are going to make our consoles. Now shut-up, and make your game so it fits with our hardware"

 

That's not innovation, that is streamlining development to a single company.

 

It should be "hey developers, we want to make a console that you will be eager to make games for. Here are some accessible developer tools, flexible hardware, and specs that are powerful enough for complex gameplay engines and graphics engines."

 

 

HAMMERCLAW
HAMMERCLAW

Can't say I care for that controller, at all, but don't under estimate Nintendo's will to succeed. This self-professed toy manufacturer has the unique ability to appeal to children and the inner child in all of us. The P.R. campaign that launches this console will be second to none.

grbolivar
grbolivar

This "analyst" guy is a Sony spy!!!

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

I think Nintendo with releasing the pro controller says a lot of hidden positives for Wii U. The graphics will be superb and stunning. Wii U is set to succeed and set to stick around for a long time and Nintendo have a backup plan. 

NoelXYeul
NoelXYeul

I don't pay attention to a person who's supposed to be a professional using the word "suck". And I don't understand what's he's trying to say in the last paragraph.

Agelu
Agelu

According to the interviewed guy, what is Nintendo supposed to do, then? Simply amp up the specs and make it just like any other console?

 

No, thanks. Nintendo might not "get lucky" by risking itself again, but at least they are trying to innovate and explore new, interesting gaming ways much more than the competition. We need more of that.

 

The laziest way is to upgrade just the raw specs of a "next-gen" console, add a pair of buttons, and launch it like that!

Patohua1
Patohua1

Yeah I kinda agree with him here. The Wii is great and all, but it was definitely a fluke in its popularity. If anyone remembers anything about launch, it DID NOT come with any good games and none were on the shelves for awhile. Legend of Zelda redeemed the system eventually, but they also had it for Gamecube, that's how unsure of its success even Nintendo was at the time. It's a cute little children's console that has developed a place with gamers over the years in a party and family atmosphere, but it took YEARS to get there. Also the motion was horrendous at first, just as probably the tablet is going to be garbage initially. They can't make a cheap AND effective game system the first time around, it simply does not work like that. People don't need or want a Wii U. They want a Wii that has all of the crap fixed and brought up to par with the real systems, like oh I don't know, REAL internet. Quirkiness is fine, it's what Nintendo does, but making the Wii U a NEW replacement console for the Wii is a horrible mistake

talamalopilis
talamalopilis

the original wii's motion controller wasnt the big seller it was just that it had wonderful games, and so will the wii u, it doesnt matter what kind of controller it has has

 

tommynj
tommynj

This is the same guy that said Borderlands was going to fail. People always say Nintendo's stuff won't work but yet their console and games sell like hotcakes. Whatever Pachter!

franzito
franzito

I agree with Mr. Pachter. Wii itself is a "family console" full of interative multiplayer games and few interesting titles (IMO) of the company well-known heros (Mario, Metroid, Zelda). While trying to make the most of nostalgia through Virtual Console, Nintendo exposed the fact that nostalgia was ALL Wii had to offer than good original titles. Honestly, I didn't buy a Wii to play Wii Fit, Wii Dance, Wii whatever-they-came-up-with. And Wii graphics aren't that special, they are pretty but I can get more visual delight with PS3. And the Wii controllers!? I've always prefered a good pad with buttons and levers! Now Wii U is full of promises and such, when, deep inside, we already know Nintendo hasn't been a "full steam developer" for some years now. For how long are we going to buy Nintendo systems to play ONLY Mario, Metroid and Zelda titles as their best choices ever? Nintendo doesn't call your attention to other titles than these ones, at least mine. I won't buy Wii U for a simple reason: desinterest on Nintendo new games. You play one of them it's like you've played all...

raahsnavj
raahsnavj

Pachter saying that the Wii U isn't going to work is probably the best thing it could have going for it. 

harold317
harold317

The only reason this guy still has a job as an "analyst" is because Gamespot insists in making his worthless and stupid opinions public. I want Nintendo to succeed with the Wii U not because I love Nintendo and their products, but to see the day this guy has to admit he was wrong about Nintendo. AGAIN.

BonEcho
BonEcho

I think that the Wii U is an attempt for Nintendo to get back on top. IN the 80s,90s, and some time in the 21st century, they were in the zone. The Wii was flying off its selves. Though, soon enough they found out how the times have changed. There are still retro games out there, but the majority of the industry is into fast paced, more mature games. The Wii U is trying to get them back into that groove. Right now there are not even part of the console wars. I think that they nee to stop though. The 3DS bombed, and now they are just cranking out the WII U. It might be able to compete, but not as well. They need to take a step back and look at what games are like today, and them make a game in that mode, while still making family friendly titles. The Wii U could work if they could sprinkle some of that dusty Nintendo magic on it, and make both a family console, while still tailoring to the core market. 

starduke
starduke

Hmm, it might not work as a game console, but would it make a good frisbee?

Hicks233
Hicks233

So developers complain that there isn't diversity in titles. Then they complain that they can't make the same drivel they've already been making.

 

Make up you minds.

 

While I've no plans to buy Nintendo's next release it'll be interesting to see titles make use of the changes that they've made and incorporated. Who knows what developers that make use of the features could come up with?

 

If there wasn't going to be yet another Call of Duty if they'd stuck to their guns it'd hardly be a shame...

jsmoke03
jsmoke03

i agree with pachter that it isn't going to "work" as a game console, but it doesn't mean it isn't going to sell units. The wii didn't work so thats why a lot of people didn't buy any games for it and it eventually collected dust, but it still sold a hell of a lot of units

darkmakyua
darkmakyua

 Look Patcher, we already got it when you talked about Wii. When you were a little kid, you got a NES for Christmas, got hit by the very first goomba in SMB, said Nintendo is for newborns then sold it for tickets to an R-rated movie. Just get over it, move on and QUIT REPORTING ABOUT GAMING, PERIOD!

The_J0ker
The_J0ker

Pacther should stop speaking with such a tone of certainty all the time, as his terrible track record (the man is wrong more often than a broken clock) just makes him look stupid.

airmikee99
airmikee99

Some random idiot says something stupid about something he clearly doesn't understand.  Film at 11.

 

spaceshipinc
spaceshipinc

"...and there aren't many games that are going to take advantage of that."

So you're saying that developers wouldn't take advantage of a second screen...

...Nintendo DS says hello.

 

Really, it's not that ridiculous of a concept. A lot of games will most likely just use it for maps and inventory, like on the ds, and that's fine because that's one less thing taking up space on the screen. Some may take it to the next level, which is great, but it's not like a "tablet" controller is some "fatal mistake" that will kill all support for the system. Seriously, it's like people think all developers are idiots that can't work with anything that isn't a 360 controller. :P And that's the furthest thing from the truth. Besides, you get the pro controller and continued support for the wii remote. As far as controls are concerned, I don't see why people are complaining so much.

MoK86
MoK86

first off please dont label the Wii as a huge success because everybody that knows what's good knows that this Wii was a major fail much like the gamecube. the wii was pretty much a GC slim thats all. sure they had a few ideas that were cool but no less then a few weeks the game was useless and boring much like the system. the only reason the Wii was a success by industry standards was the whole ACTIVE MOVEMENT GIMMICK! they sold the system as a family unit but no family ever touched it and or is still playing this thing as a family console. my sister and the kids touched this thing for 1 week and already my nephews are back to the xbox 360 and they even told me that the games suck on the Wii. the only reason to even touch the wii was for mario and zelda. That's It. those are the words from a 7yr old kid. the wii had no success in the gaming world and it has nothing to do with hardcore gamers because a hardcore gamer is a person who just plays HARDCORE! it doesnt mean they want a strong over the top machine they just play games constantly with no break. the Wii never gave any games other than new super mario bros and zelda. its a useless machine and the only reason why anybody bought it was because it was easy to find at a retail store and it was cheap at $250 you can get a system that came with a game as opposed to buying the xbox or ps3 that didnt come with a game and cost more than $300 for a good system.

Jaxith
Jaxith

Ugh...  So... basically, analysts get paid to make guesses with little evidence beyond their own opinion and (apparently) speculation...?  ...Well... I guess, everyone needs to make a living right...?  Seriously though, I get sick of hearing about these guys.  They're annoying more than anything else; nothing they say ever has any impact on real situations, and no matter how many times they get something wrong it does nothing to diminish their so called 'credibility'.

 

I mean, just reading though this article a few things stand out to me:  First, that he's making his statement regarding Activision seemingly based entirely on his own speculation.  Second, even though he was wrong about the Wii he refuses to admit it.  Nintendo 'got lucky' he says...  But the truth is they made a choice and it paid off.  It's not luck.  It's just what Nintendo does; people know who they are, what to expect from them and go in without expecting anything more.  Microsoft and Sony are in a different boat entirely, with their systems having similar games to one another, and the exact same target demographic.  Meanwhile, Nintendo's sitting off on their own little island and it's working for them.  In a way, Nintendo isn't even competing with Microsoft and Sony.  No one buys a Wii for any reason other than to play Nintendo games.  They might certainly buy games from other companies once they have the Wii, but everyone reasonably has at least one Nintendo game on their Wii.

 

It's not as though I have some deep love for Nintendo.  I think they have their own merits and faults just like Sony and Microsoft do.  But I think it's ridiculous to suggest the Wii U won't be a success.  It might not sell as much as the Wii, but the thought of it failing is ridiculous to me.  Ultimately, there is at least one point on which I agree with Patcher:  He doesn't get it.  He just, doesn't get it...  ...So what does that say about his career choice?

 

I appologize if this all seemed heavy handed or rude, but I really felt an urge to vent at yet another article about an analyst blowing smoke.

sonynhater
sonynhater

I'm not an ignorant kid or some spoiled brat. I am a 21 year old man that wants to play mario and TLOZ. Get over it "hard core" gamers. People want to play this.

Razer361
Razer361

Y'know, if we think about this long and hard we're all gonna realize this thing is gonna be a successful record-breaking console that every ignorant kid is going to beg their parents for and lots of hard-core gamers are going to buy because it will be the latest thing.

LordPinto
LordPinto

if nintendo can stay on top of the video games industry without any support, i wonder where it would be if it had some.