Wii U in generation of its own - Sony

Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida says original Wii kicked off parallel console cycle that will continue with Nintendo's new console.

The Wii U is in a console generation of its own, according to Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida. Speaking to Eurogamer, the executive said he believes when Nintendo launched the Wii in 2006, it in turn created a parallel console cycle that will continue with the company's new console.

The Wii U represents its own generation, says Yoshida.

"I always thought PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are in the same generation, but Wii was not the same," he said. "To me, the industry was growing really fast when those three platforms came up because the focus is so different. The PS3 and the 360 were the closest in terms of high definition and networked services. But Wii carved out a large niche to itself. To me, it was like two generations going at the same time."

Yoshida added, "Wii U is the next generation of Wii. That I understand. To me, it's its own generation."

The Wii U is due out worldwide this holiday season and is Nintendo's first high-definition console. Its CPU will be powered by an IBM multicore processor and its GPU by an AMD Radeon card.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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enrique_marrodz
enrique_marrodz

That's actually a great thing, for Nintendo and the consumers, not to be tied to the only one "new generation", but to be able to choose. For Nintendo and the industry in general is great they keep creating new markets, for the consumers is a chance to try innovative things and not just "prettier" ones

 

Now, for Sony, they may talk undervaluing Nintendo again, as with the Wii, but they better keep a close eye or will end fourth this time...

theKSMM
theKSMM

This speaks more to Sony's idea of whom they're competing with more than it speaks to Nintendo's philosophy of console development.

Zelseisdabest
Zelseisdabest

food for thought:

best looking 8bit console: NES

best looking 32 bit console: SNES

best looking cartridge based system: N64

best looking SD based system: Wii

 

Nintendo does have some awards under there belt in the graphics terms that im sure not to many think about, they beat out their rivals this gen with "innovation over power and graphics" but i really agree with yoshida they systems are all in the same generation and wii u is the start of next gen, its all about how you present yourself to the gamer each generation. Just because nintendo puts more into innovation then power and graphics doesnt mean that its in a different gen. (that sounds like an excuse if you ask me) I think the real problem here is that Sony and Microsoft ONLY focus on power and graphics and not so much in the innovation (sony more then msoft) that they always find themselves borrowing (not necessarily stealing) ideas from Nintendo because out of all 3 companies Nintendo is the most balanced with its visuals vs. gameplay. Next gen will be too close in graphical power that it will be more about the innovation of playing games....thats where nintendo will shine, and i think they will win the Next Gen as well

hatieshorrer
hatieshorrer

A generation occurs over a period of time the type of product is irrelevant.

Raikuya
Raikuya

"I always thought PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are in the same generation, but Wii was not the same"

 

Disagree !

 

The PS3, 360 and Wii are in the same generation. They are all competing to be the dominant leader in the home console market to succeed the PS2's "reign" in the previous generation.

 

There is no different niche! What is different is the strategies used by the gaming industries. While Sony and Microsoft attempted to dominate the market with high definition graphics and sound and multimedia functionality, Nintendo ended as the leader of the generation by focusing on motion functionality. The strategy was so successful that Microsoft and Sony began implementing it into their home consoles.

Jpleblancfinal
Jpleblancfinal

Well it looks like video games in general may qualify as being a niche.

Jpleblancfinal
Jpleblancfinal

I don't think you can call what the Wii carved out as a niche.  As far as I know the "hare core" whatever that is would qualify as a niche.  Because the Wii's install base is large enough not to be a niche.

RavenXavier
RavenXavier

I'm a 34 year old gamer who grew up on Nintendo (All the systems), then the Genesis, and Gameboy and Gamecube, and owned a gaming PC of some kind from the time I was 18 onward.

 

The one thing I can say having followed Nintendo all my life, as well as other platforms, is that Nintendo has always been and will always be in a class and generation All It's Own.

 

Sometimes that's a good thing for Nintendo, and sometimes not. What it does mean though is that in the most likely scenario Nintendo will be around the longest as a traditional "Gaming Platform" after the other major companies have gone to "Cloud Only Services".

 

snarple_basic
snarple_basic

It just feels like Nintendo is a generation behind to me.  If they weren't such a smart game company this philosophy would have never worked.

wexorian
wexorian

also Backward compatibility with Wii games,Wiimote Nunchuk and pad with Cpu and gpu IN console it makes winner alredy.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

Makes sense... Why compete when you can ignore everyone else and still succeed, lol... Keep up the innovation, graphics can develop as slowly as it wants.

kinghorn316
kinghorn316

really can people not see what this is

aka TV = top ds screen

aka wii u controller =bottom ds touch screen#

so what were looking at here is a high performance home ds console

kinghorn316
kinghorn316

its so funny that ps3 and xbox fan boys are so pissed that a new nintendo console is coming out that might be more powerful hahahahahahaha

jhpeter
jhpeter

Sony is right, Nintendo is doing the same way that Sony did in the past with ps series, Will U will be like Wii 2, its like a improvement of the predecessor but cant be compared with the next gen systems, in power.

Vickman178
Vickman178

No matter what people say I just remember that real time Zelda tech demo they showed and I sleep well at night knowing that the next Zelda will probably look even better than that...

 

Those graphics were goood......

 

 

Vodoo
Vodoo

It seems like Nintendo was going to put out an updated Wii because sales are flopping terribly, then they through in the new controller and called it next-gen. The Wii U IS NOT a next-gen machine. It's in line with the current gen, with a tablet controller. Call it what it is Nintendo... Wii 1.5

fightingfish18
fightingfish18

Is Sony saying that Nintendo's main competition is Leapster?  Sounds like it.. :P

kinghorn316
kinghorn316

Hey guys people are already dissing nintendo remember no matter how bad or good the wii U will be it will be affordable really can you imagine how much a PS4 will cost

hatieshorrer
hatieshorrer

In other words we at SCE got our ars handed to us by a much weaker console so we consider that console as a completely different generation in an attempt to spin docter the results of this generation.

Phazevariance
Phazevariance

They are the console choice for casuals. Kinda is a different console generation of its own but at the same time, the other two can do that too shoudl they want.

SolidTy
SolidTy

I was moderated for saying the Wii was it's own generation a few years back at Gamespot.com. Some fanboy moderator, it happens.  I guess Mr. Yoshida better watch his Gamespot.com account for saying such things about the Wii. ;) :P

DrKill09
DrKill09

Exactly.  Nintendo are no longer game console makers; they're casual gamer toy makers.

 

Nintendo alienated a LOT of people with the Wii.  I don't see the Wii U selling well.

Zelseisdabest
Zelseisdabest

Evidence shows of this already, seeing how Microsoft has "smartglass" and Sony has vita to try and keep up with the second screen that Nintendo has placed on the gamepad

vigp17
vigp17

 @Raikuya

 Nintendo dominated sales because of two things 1: price of  their system vs competition and 2: motion gaming was new/inevative at the time.  Which is marketing 101... consumers favor what's new/interesting and cheap. Motion gaming is great ...when done in the right amount! Nintendo took it too far by applying it to most every game that appeard on the Wii. Not that I don't enjoy Wii sports, Mario, smash bros., and Zelda but for most games I'll take my regular controller and my HD graphics. Just because more Wii's were sold doesn't mean more people actually ended up using and liking the Wii more. Having something and using it are two very different things. I own all 3 consoles(as I've stated before) and my Wii is rarely used, Why? Because it looks just ok on a 60" HDTV(even with the component cables) and after a while I want to play some great beautiful HD games like: Need for speed hot pursuit,  Forza motorsport 4 , God of war 3, Grand theft auto 4, heavenly sword, Rayman origins, mortal kombat, Bayoneta, saints row 3 etc... all experiences that the Wii never had because the Wii was unable to support such games graphic wise. Wii has some good games that are somewhat hardcore and very very fun play; but mainly it was for the kids, senior citizens, families, and tweens thus leading to a console full of shovel ware. Throw in the fact that the system doesn't really support any form of entertainment beyond games and it becomes just another one trick pony. Nintendo themselves have even aggreed that they took the wrong aproach with the Wii by focusing too much on casual games, and thus you get the Wii U. Which in itself has its own potential issues for Nintendo to sort out.

leeko_link
leeko_link

 @jhpeterSuper NES (Super Famicom) says hi. The Wii U isn't the first Nintendo home console to borrow the same brand name as its predecessor.

moviequest14
moviequest14

 @Vodoo Just wow to that.... call the wii-u a pos if you want , it's your opinion and I respect that , doesn't mean I agree with it but I respect it. The reason you have to be worried about being called an anti-nintendo troll is because of these kind of posts. To be quite honest , it literally does not matter one single damn whether you think it's a ''next generation console'' or not , it doesn't matter one single damn whether I think it's a next generation or not. Go show me an official list issued that gives the exact requirements that make a console next gen. Noone ever said (besides yourself and trolls) that it has to be ____ more powerful than _____ systems. Just because one type of car isn't as quality or in this sense ''powerful'' as the other cars released the same year doesn't mean it was a car developed last-year. Even if the wii-u had the power and graphical capabilities of a gameboy color it would still be a next generation system because it is being released in .... wait for the shocker here ... the next generation. It is only your (seemingly incredibly biased) opinion that it is a last generation console , and it only makes you look even more biased to claim your own opinion as fact.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @Vodoo 

More ignorant comments from clearly uneducated "gamers". It's absolutely impossible for the Wii U to be in line with the PS3 and 360 seeing is how the graphics card and processors found in those systems are no longer in production, whereas even the cheapest ones that can be used now are still much more powerful than the PS3 and 360. You don't like the Wii U? Fine, don't buy it, but learn your sh*t before making senseless comments like these.

Undietaker
Undietaker

 @Vodoo

 Not even Wii 1.5. Wii was a Gamecube 1.5, making the Wii U really Gamecube 2.

kinghorn316
kinghorn316

and dont say it will be worth it just look at the sony vita 3g version 300 hundred quid and it dose not even play or stream videos what a joke

Vickman178
Vickman178

So what do you say about what microsoft and sony are doing with there kinect and PS move and things like wonderbook? Are those not casual things?

 

When you in a business expanding you market is crucial if you want to succeed and make more money.Nintendo still catered to there fans with the Wii it took a few years but we got so many great 1st party games from Wii.

 

Its amazing how stupid and ignorant most gamers really are...

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @DrKill09 

Yes, because Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Metroid Prime 3, DKCR, were totally meant for children and their families. Nintendo supplied the Wii with an amazing line up of 1st party games, it's when crap developers saw how popular the Wii was with families and causal gamers that they began to create lack luster games to capitalize on Nintendo's success. 

 

So yeah, Pikmin 3, Rayman Legends, ZombiU, P-100, and the rest of Nintendo's upcoming 1st party games for the Wii U again are totally meant for kids. But as I recall, most kids these days are found in online communities killing each other in CoD. 

Pineapple_Head
Pineapple_Head

 @vigp17

 I own all three systems myself and a gaming PC and coudn't agree more. I've had my 360 since '08, my first PS3 since 2010 (but another one in early 2011/special edition) and finally got a Wii last Nov./Dec with gaming PC in December. 

 

I'm still buying and playing games for my 360, PS3, and my newly purchased PC yet my Wii doesn't get turned on that much and the game that came with it, Mario Kart, is still in its factory seal. I also bought an HDTV recently and been trying to figure out how to connect the Wii in a way so the visuals could look the best they could. I thought about getting HDMIkey for the Wii.

 

Some people say graphics nor visuals matter.... however when it comes to high definition entertainment it really does make a difference.

jhpeter
jhpeter

 @leeko_link Thats truth I forgot to mention too ! Hey dont see me as a Nintendo hater, the best and first system I have in this gen is Wii and  3DS for portable.

vigp17
vigp17

 @abHS4L88

As far as the PS3 is concerned it doesn't use a mainstream processor, graphics card, or memory so it's not out of date! The PS3 system uses components customed designed and built especially and exclusively for it and it alone.

Auronvolgar
Auronvolgar

 @abHS4L88 its not so simple bro the GTX 290 is not on longer in production but GTX 290 can bit a lot of this generation GPUs. and not forget that PS3 have XDR RAM not DDR make your homework to see what XDR is. P.S. i not a fan boy of microsoft, sony or nintedo because i dont posses any console in my life.

Hig1134
Hig1134

 @kinghorn316 You know what Vita does do? Plays games...better than any other handheld ever made.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @Vickman178 

It seems like humanity in the developed world is taking steps backwards. I mean, when you consider what some of the most popular shows are now compared to 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, it's mostly trash that's being watched. I remember when MTV was all about music videos, now it's almost entirely about a group of stupid people doing stupid things for the mindless person's enjoyment. Kind of unrelated but I remember watching Super Bad with my classmates (we had a study session but while waiting for the host, we watched a movie) and they found that movie hilarious, I was wondering why I hell I was watching it because I thought it was stupid and not even stupid funny, just outright stupid. But hey, this is what the world is heading towards DX

 

I bet if you show a typical American a collection of world renowned historical figures alongside a collection of pictures of Snooki, Kim Kardasian and other skanky reality stars, they'd probably be able to name all the stars and hardly any of historical figures. Even music is getting more mindless.

vigp17
vigp17

 @abHS4L88

 The only thing Nintendo has and has ever had going for it is it's brand name and their first party titles. People LOVE Nintendo software not Nintendo hardware. If Nintendo was really smart they'd quit the hardware side and just focus on what they've always done best which is make great games. Nintendo has a big mountain to climb with the Wii U! Most people who wanted HD gaming already own a PS3, Xbox 360, or both how is Nintendo  going to convince these people to spend $300-$400 on a new console(especially in this economy)?  Not to mention the PS4 and next Xbox are only 1-2 years away, and the Wii U compared to those is the original Wii all over again. Not saying that Nintendo won't sell lots of Wii U's , but tech and future wise doesn't seem too smart to me.

wexorian
wexorian

 @abHS4L88 Your forgot, Lost tower, Okami, Red steel, and many good games :) 

poopinpat
poopinpat

 @kinghorn316 ratings are useless, especially coming from this site which has no clue what standard handheld games should be held against. I own several terrific games on the VITA already.  MvC3, wipeout 2048, uncharted golden abyss, Touch my katamari etc.  Those few games on their own have given me a better quality experience then the psp and ds put together.  Not saying the VITA will survive but you cant tell me there aren't any good games and that the system sucks...  If reviewers had of compared VITA games to other handheld experiences from the past you could bet your ass there would be plenty of 9/10 ratings.

 

That being said the upcoming lineup looks a little sparse, this system could go in any direction.  It's up to Sony.  I'm counting on Sony to understand that low scores given by overly critical reviewers does not equate to people not enjoying those titles.

 

 

Auronvolgar
Auronvolgar

 @kinghorn316 yeah 3DS is full of hardcore games for 18+ player yeah NOT i prefer palying normal games not cartoons

kinghorn316
kinghorn316

if its the good name 5 games with a 9/10 rating

kinghorn316
kinghorn316

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

ye thats when they have good games out

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @Raikuya 

Indeed, even though 2011 was a bit of a dry year for the Wii, for me, if there are no big games coming out, I don't really mind because then it gives me a chance to look back and see what amazing titles I've missed. I've played The Little King's Story, Rune Factory: Frontier, Klonoa, and Super Paper Mario before Skyward Sword came out. I finished Xenoblade last month (best game I've played in the last 2 years) and I'm eagerly awaiting The Last Story next month. 

 

I actually can't believe vigp17 thinks it's a good idea for Nintendo to stop making consoles, I mean imagine what a crushing blow that'd be for the industry losing the company that isn't afraid to take risks and not give a damn about what the world wants and show off immense amounts of creativity. This is the first generation actually where mutliplatform games were extremely important because if you recall the PS2, Xbox, and GC, they each pretty much had their own unique line up of games. The PS3 and 360's top 15 games (according to Metacritic) share 12 titles! Unless you're rich or just love everything that Sony and Microsoft puts out, there's honestly not a big enough reason to own both systems. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @vigp17 

What you fail to realize is that hardware is Nintendo's primary source of revenue. Due to the massive success of the Wii and DS, it's allowing Nintendo to sell the 3DS and maybe the Wii U at a loss. 

 

Also can you imagine what would happen to the videogame industry if Nintendo drops out of the hardware market? Not only would we lose home consoles but also handhelds too giving Sony dominate control over the handheld market and honestly, when you consider how similar the games released on the 360 and PS3 were, the Wii was the only system that offered a completely different set of games. 

 

The interesting thing about the generations before was that multiplatform games were rather uncommon and from what I remember, were mainly with fighting games. Each system had a truly distinct line up of games so it made owning each system worth it. This generation, for the most part, either you own a PS3 or a 360 along with a Wii. I mean, if you go on Metacritic and look at the top 15 games for the 360 and PS3, 12 of those games are mutliplatform, whereas the Wii only had 1 multiplatform game in their line up of universally acclaimed games. 

 

"Hardcore gamers" don't make up the entire market and all 3 companies are aware of that, Microsoft is has been constantly giving casual gamers more choices than hardcore games in the past 2 years while Nintendo started balancing both with the introduction of the Wii U. Also, the way the 8th generation is looking, all 3 systems have the potential to be massively different from each other, which will give rise to more exclusive titles. Ever since I was a child we've always had Nintendo systems (except the N64, we skipped that generation) and I will continue to support Nintendo because many of the most memorable gaming moments I've ever had were on their systems.

vigp17
vigp17

 @Raikuya  @abHS4L88

While I understand your point(s), There's nothing wrong with Sony or Microsoft relying on 3rd party games as long as they have a great 1st and 2nd party titles as well. That's what Nintendo forgot about was balance....Nintendo makes great games always have and will but other publishers do too.  Nintendo didn't make the Wii inviting enough for great 3rd party game publishers to stick around and deliver their best. It can cost millions for games to be developed and at the end of the day publishers have to balance their check books and if they're not seeing enough over all sales on a particular system they may very well abandon it altogether and when one goes others will fallow. I'm not saying Nintendo is junk compared to Sony or Microsoft because that's simply untrue. What I am saying is the gaming world has  had a drastic change compaired even with 10 years ago and it will continue to change in both what consumers expect of hardware and software. Unfortunetly Nintendo is increasingly showing unable to foresee and adapt to these changing expectations in a timely manner.

Raikuya
Raikuya

 @vigp17  @abHS4L88 "Exclusivety" will always exist once there is competition, because the company wants a reason for people to buy their console. Nintendo relies on 1st party games while Sony and Microsoft relies on 3rd party games.

 

Which means that Nintendo don't have to get all 3rd party developers on their side because they have their proprietary games that are hard for gamers to ignore. However, Sony and Microsoft has to depend on these developers to make games to 'wow' gamers for PS3 and 360.

 

All 3 companies are aware of this, so there is an ongoing battle for 3rd party developers. While Nintendo is trying to win them over in their own way and pace, Sony and Microsoft are trying to attract their attention.

 

There is really no disinterest in Nintendo. I know people who own a Wii who still enjoy playing the Wii and brag about playing Nintendo games. The name is still going strong, with everyone eager to hear what Nintendo is going to do next. As for loosing money ..... not sure bout that one, but wouldn't doubt it.

vigp17
vigp17

 @Raikuya  @abHS4L88

 The only reason why people buy Nintendo consoles is because that's the only way one can play Nintendo games pure and simple. If Nintendo would would just make their games for the Playstations and Xbox's I think they'd be better off. I own a Wii... but I rarely use it, one can only play Mario, Zelda, Wii sports, Donkey Kong, Metroid M etc... so much! I personally don't like all the exclusivety in the gaming world. Some games I can only play on my Xbox 360, others only on my PS3, and other's only on my Wii....it's annoying! I'd rather have access to all games and just pick the console that on whole I like best. Also let's not forget the because Nintendo didn't build a capable HD console with the Wii they lost not only developer support but also gamer support(Not including Nintendo die hards) thus leading to mass disinterest and Nintendo to lose money for the first time in 30 years!

Raikuya
Raikuya

 @vigp17  @abHS4L88 So the company whose Wii console is the current leader of this home console generation is the same company that you want to quit making consoles ?

 

People will buy the Wii-U if they are interested in the games. That's why they buy the consoles for ..... right ? To play the games. If the 1st party games are good, they will buy it.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @wexorian 

I know I left out a lot of great titles but I listed the ones that Nintendo made or were games meant to be enjoyed by adults. Okami is another good example, but Red Steel 2 can highly be enjoyed by kids. Did you mean Pandora's Tower or Lost in Shadow. From what I can tell, both are decent titles. I did try to play Lost in Shadow but lost interest quickly. I would give Pandora's Tower a chance though.