Wii U has "real potential and power" says Ubisoft

Executive director Alain Corre says "a machine works when you have great content on it."

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The Wii U may be struggling at retail, but Assassin's Creed and Far Cry publisher Ubisoft has not lost faith in the console.

Speaking with CVG, Ubisoft executive director Alain Corre said the machine can thrive if enough compelling content becomes available.

"We believe the Wii U has real potential and power. A machine works when you have great content on it; we feel [Rayman Legends] was one, Just Dance is another one coming, with Donkey Kong and Mario from Nintendo also," Corre said.

The Wii U was released in November 2012 and has sold 3.61 million units across the world to date, below internal expectations. Nintendo implemented a price cut last week, dropping the MSRP for the 32GB model from $350 to $300. The 8GB model will be phased out.

Nintendo has a number of marquee Wii U titles in the pipeline, including Super Mario 3D World (November 22) and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (December 6). On top of those, Mario Kart 8 and a new Super Smash Bros. game will be released in 2014.

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craigorton20
craigorton20

It's all about the content - yes. It's also about variety which is where Nintendo have isolated themselves. Sure, they have their Zelda, Mario and Donkey Kong but the 'majority' of gamers go for things like tomb raider, the last of us and Assassins creed (which i know is on the wii u) but the thing is just these few select titles aren't enough. They need the games everyone else has PLUS their exclusives to win people over. Things like Batman Arkham origins not featuring multiplayer on the wii u version isn't helping at all. 

It's a cycle, the wii u isn't selling so no one will waste time to develop for it - no one will develop for it and so the wii u won't sell... They can't afford to keep titles like Bayonetta 2 and whatever else they have back until next year - they need to throw out a lot of big titles right now. 

jark888
jark888

Wii U success is all up to Nintendo.

Crouteru
Crouteru

Of course the Wii U has potential, the question is are developers willing to exploit it?

soulless4now
soulless4now

Nintendo needs to rethink their marketing strategy. I'd hate to see the numbers in November compared to the ps4 and xbone. Might be embarrassing.

evil13killer
evil13killer

so its a great machine when you have great content like Rayman legends not assassin creed or watch dogs ubisoft saying wii u is good for average budget games since its not strong enough for AAA games

Scarab83
Scarab83

I love Ubisoft, but I really don't agree with them here. Nintendo is always one generation behind the rest when it comes to "potential and power".

Ra-Maxima
Ra-Maxima

potential? Huh, they R struggling and I hope they change 2 software.

snkcapcom411
snkcapcom411

Late Summer/ Fall 2013: New Super Luigi U, Pikmin 3, Rayman Legends, The Wonderful 101, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD, Batman: Arkham Origins, Sonic: Lost World, Call of Duty: Ghosts, "Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag, Watch Dogs, New Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze...NO COMPLAINTS HERE!!! ^_^ (WiiU, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, 3DS and iPhone owner...so no fanboy here).  

howiex89
howiex89

Its been out a year right? Time to stop talking potential and start delivering! 

amillionhp
amillionhp

The WiiU does have a lot of potential if you ignore the fact that there will be little to no 3rd party development. Developers have learned their lesson from the Wii and are opting out by the truckload now because they can't port their games to all three systems. I mean sure, Nintendo is great and all but their unique approach to the system makes developers choose between either Nintendo or BOTH Microsoft and Sony. Well... since these companies tend to like sales and money, they'll pretty much go with the later. Can't blame them for making that choice. 

As an "old school" gamer who grew up on NES and SNES, it really saddens me to see such an emphasis placed on hardware and graphics at the cost of a fortune for developers while gameplay, fun and innovation are kicked to the side. State of the art technology is not at all required to have a great experience here people but well.... try telling that to the multitude of casual COD fanatics that make up the majority of "gamers". They care about realism for the twice a week occasion they turn on the damn system. Or play it non-stop for about two weeks and let it collect dust from there on. Which is of course why developers know the substance and quality of the game is of little importance sales wise.


In order to stand out, Nintendo is going to have to come up with some good, new franchises. New characters and stories will earn them a little bit more respect among the gaming community because this constant rehash of the classics and NOTHING ELSE is one of the major things pissing off gamers. Other issues are too of course but that is something Nintendo can control right now.

Mayleene
Mayleene

Will the Wii's classic controller work on WiiU?

willjohnboy
willjohnboy

Yet again i click on a story intended to be for non Xbox fans only to see the Xbox 360 box art in the info section (yesterday it was the same when looking at the arkham origins PS3 exclusive DLC article), it seems to happen alot so i'll pose this question again is Gamespot Xbox Fanboys or just incompetent.

nini200
nini200

Its a chicken and egg scenario now.no systems are selling because there are no games but there are no games because no systems are selling.If one of these change, things will turn around.

FULGOREY2K
FULGOREY2K

well, i think nintendo did a good job on hiding that power.......because it still hasnt shown a bit

Garm31
Garm31

Potential? Maybe. But power? You kidding right? LOL!

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

But it doesn't have great content give or take a very small number of titles.

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

I love Nintendo and I own a WiiU, but Iwata has no vision or direction for this company. When looking to blame someone for the WiiU failures I look at the top.

CriticalCritic
CriticalCritic

Nintendo games are hardcore games disguised as casuals.  

b74kd3th
b74kd3th

Wow you're a loser of epic proportions

dark_zero_86
dark_zero_86

I don't care what GameSpot says, the Murfy levels on Wii U are much more fun. I don't know what they were complaining about, I never had the AI go suicidal on me. The levels where your running from the fire while swiping at the Lums to make them purple are great.

bluesoverdrive
bluesoverdrive

I live in Brazil, and Nintendo have not launch Wii U here yet... how can they sell more units if the units are not for sale! 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@craigorton20

"Sure, they have their Zelda, Mario and Donkey Kong but the 'majority' of gamers go for things like tomb raider, the last of us and Assassins creed"

Zelda Skyward Sword - nearly 5m sales

Super Mario 3D Land - nearly 9m sales

Donkey Kong Country Returns - over 6m

The Last of Us - 3.25m

Tomb Raider - over 4m

Assassin's Creed 3 - 10m 

Clearly the majority actually just likes whatever's well made and lots of fun, and of course is super hyped up by the media. Nintendo actually has the most variety of any developer (covering nearly every genre), problem is the games you listed are what get the most attention (same as Pokemon) while everything else tends to be more niche. I do kind of love how you talk about variety, yet you name 3 games that are fairly similar in their genres. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@evil13killer 

But Assassin's Creed IV and Watch Dogs are coming out for the Wii U so what are you talking about?

Def-Trex
Def-Trex

@Scarab83 No actually they have always had pretty powerful consoles up until the wii.

amillionhp
amillionhp

@Scarab83 But not every decent game out there relies on state-of-the-art hardware to be good. I don't even care that its one generation behind. I care that the system will inevitably have fewer games due to less 3rd party support but that is kind of a different issue.

Scarab83
Scarab83

In before the blind loyalty of abHS4L88.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@amillionhp 

Almost liked your post until I saw the last paragraph because I noticed that despite all of this demand for Nintendo to come out with new IPs and what not, every time they do, it sells horribly regardless of how amazing it is, which is why I'm completely on Nintendo's side when they instead choose to implement their creative and unique ideas into their existing franchises because what's the point if their creativity is going to waste in games that no one's going to pay attention to, even if they're hyped up? 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Mayleene 

Many games will still support it. Half the time I play Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed on the classic controller pro.

plm3d_basic
plm3d_basic

@nini200  

Actually it's not.  People buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo ip games only.  Nobody buys COD, Batlefield, or other major AAA titles on Wii.  Nintendo should have been developing a large library of ip games on their hardware before release.  The fact is that they waited too long to release the Wii U and they had a confusing name where people thought it was just a peripheral.  Michael Pachter was right that they should have been working on this hardware and developing games for it 5 years ago, but high sales of the Wii discouraged it. They need to churn out AAA Nintendo games by next Christmas or it is really over. No more side scrollers and more true 3D worlds.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Garm31 

Because developers for a system wouldn't know as much about the power of a system than some ignorant gamer. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Scarab83 

Blind loyalty? Yes, I have blind loyalty because I choose to not be bothered nor offended by the stupidity of console wars. I don't care what console I play on as long as the games I like to play can be found on that console. Sorry that I can actually see the bigger picture and don't believe in this "all 3 companies should be delivering the same consoles because it's all about power" BS that people like you keep on spreading. It's fine, I guess I'm one of those rare individuals that actually truly enjoys gaming because I play what I like and ignore what I dislike, I know, it's a weird concept for people like you. 

Mayleene
Mayleene

@abHS4L88 Thanks!  Didn't know if the console would recognize it or not.  I'm thinking about picking the WW bundle up soon.

nini200
nini200

@plm3d_basic @nini200 I buy COD on WiiU just because it has the option for superior controls aka Pointer Controls so with that, you are wrong.

Did you say Battlefield?  LOL when has Battlefield Ever been on a Nintendo console?  If it was, I'd buy it for the Pointer Controls.

Also, if it's not the scenario then explain why people bought the 3DS, it's obviously not because of the 3D.

I do however agree with you that WiiU is a dumb console name though and that's probably the only valid point you have in your entire paragraph.

crakrman
crakrman

@plm3d_basic @nini200Nobody, eh?  I have a Wii U and a PS3.  I got AC3 for the Wii U, and I plan to get Arkham Origins for it as well.  I do it because of the controller.  My hands cramped up constantly playing the first 2 Arkhams with the Sony controller.  The Wii U Gamepad feels great.

bluesoverdrive
bluesoverdrive

@Evilgenius4u69 @bluesoverdrive Lol, I'm an old gamer so I actually like Mario, Mario Kart, DK games. Also it seems to be the best console for little kids. But I just don't get why leave such a big market as Brazil is for games out of plans. Seems that Nintendo does not care for us(Brazilians) as much as Microsoft and Sony do. Brazilians buy a lot, and pay a lot more! XBOX ONE official price for release this 22 nov is U$997,99 at this time, it is expensive but I'll buy it anyway.

speedy5212
speedy5212

@Evilgenius4u69 Yes because it spreads disease and kills people.

Shut up man.

franzito
franzito

@Evilgenius4u69 I don't think so. I'm Brazilian too and I know some people who are drooling for Wii U right now...

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Gargus

Sorry that intelligence and logic gets confused for "blind loyalty" and "pretentious snobbery." I guess in order to be accepted by the gaming community, I have to shut down all reason and be a drone like everyone else, following whatever the media tells us to like and dislike. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@amillionhp

But do you have proof that these games didn't also appeal to adult gamers because last I checked, Nintendo is still very popular among adults gamers as it is with kids, sure overall their games are not as appealing as they used to be since the focus of the gaming industry has changed but what hasn't is Nintendo's appeal, and that's towards all audiences, not just kids. Also the Wii sold incredibly well along with many of Nintendo's 1st party games. The Wii U is suffering from a lack of content, which is why sales are weak which is why this holiday season is very important since the price dropped along with strong titles for the system coming out. 

See what? Not all gamers are ignorant like that nor are all gamers so caught up in what game looks "cool" or "mature." Maybe you'd have a point if say, Nintendo was a new developer entering the scene but they're not and regardless of whether or not you're a fan, if you're a gamer, you should already be aware of who Nintendo is and at least their most popular franchises. 

Funny that you say that because before the 3DS came out, how many times have we heard analysts saying that the 3DS cannot compete against smart phones yet here we are 2.5 years later and the 3DS is the fastest selling console ever with absolutely no signs of slowing down (and this is taking into account that a proper Pokemon title has yet to be released, what more when Pokemon X/Y come out? In the same amount of time, the DS already had Pearl/Diamond). Also the Wii had PLENTY of content that gamers would find appealing, yet most got overlooked. Part of it I blame on Nintendo for not advertising these games as much but also on the community who, for the first time, decided to focus on the fact that the Wii had a bunch of shovelware and decided to treat every 3rd party game as such. 

So are you the general public? You know exactly how they think? If the general public is that stupid, then they must think that the XBox1 is just a more expensive version of the 360 (since its name also doesn't indicate a newer version). 

I sort of agree with your last paragraph, except that many console gamers do care about the Wii U, they're just waiting on those said titles to come out. People act like Nintendo wasn't doing anything development wise for the Wii U for the past 2 years but that's completely untrue, remember that this is their first HD console so unlike all the other developers who've had nearly a decade's worth of experience developing HD games, Nintendo barely has any and the delays of some of their titles like Pikmin 3 prove that. Like you said, no real console gamer completely ignores a console, especially if the library becomes appealing to them. 

amillionhp
amillionhp

@abHS4L88 @amillionhpI'm not pushing my opinions as fact I'm saying those games are not going to appeal to adult gamers. Its a generalization with exceptions of course. I'd wager those sales reflect the interest of a younger audience, not so much adults. At least not in the states anyway. However well they did sales-wise and by game critics doesn't matter because it clearly didn't entice gamers to run out and purchase a Wii or a WiiU.

Different is good, i won't deny it but Nintendo still has to think about when and how to do that. If they care about encouraging gamers to pick up their system, it would require them releasing multiple titles that appeal to the target audience. If gamers take one look at the box art and see well... you know what i'm talking about, they won't give it a second glance. It won't matter how good it is. It will obviously still matter to everyone that already bought that system because they will be paying attention to it but that isn't the problem.


Time is an issue for them here because i think Nintendo's control over the portable market is going to plummet from cell phone gaming shortly. I can't think they'll have too much money from that anymore. They should have taken greater risks with the Wii by releasing more gamer-centered titles and a little bit less casual/family-centered titles. That and relying on the friend-code system for online play pretty much makes it an offline system to any gamer. I understand that they needed to market the Wii towards family and non-gamers. That is fine, go ahead and do that and release Wii sports and all the other stuff that will target that audience but sooner or later, Nintendo will have to come to that bottom line that gamers are the ones who buy the system. Unless they can bottle lightning twice with another revolutionary Wii-like feature. But obviously not, the general public just looks at WiiU and doesn't really see much of a difference besides a tablet and higher price.

So... in the long run, sacrificing some money (when they had more of it) to release more gamer centered titles would have served them better i think because now with the WiiU, gamers literally don't care at all. Gamers today who have a decision to make system wise would at least give Nintendo a second glance if they could remember any titles they wanted to play despite not choosing to buy the system back then especially since the online issue is fixed. People going on and on about last generation graphics... yeah that doesn't actually matter to anyone except PC elitists and COD casuals. A lot of other people just run straight to that complaint because they don't like Nintendo as it is and that is something to easily complain about. But rest assured, most real CONSOLE gamers would forgive that if they had confidence the titles being released in the future would cater towards their interests.


abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@amillionhp

Wait, are you seriously pushing your opinion as fact? Paper Mario and Mario Luigi have both been critically acclaimed RPGs that both sell very well so while it may not appeal to you, the ratings and numbers indicate otherwise. Yes gamers want a proper sequel to Super Mario RPG but what they've been given is still something special and different. 

Again, pushing YOUR opinion as fact. Pikmin immediately proved itself to be something more for adults than children due to the challenging nature of the game. Just because the design may seem childish (I don't think so, it's an incredibly creative and unique concept that brings a level of fantasy to something most people are familiar with and have fond memories of growing up). Pikmin is also another series that has done well sales wise and critically. 

The reason these games have done well and are very well received is because they're offering something very different in an era of videogames littered with realistic violent games.

amillionhp
amillionhp

@abHS4L88 @amillionhp Paper Mario? Yeah, i saw my friend playing that and i was just put-off by it. People are not going to consider that as a valid sequel or successor to Mario RPG. If you don't call it "Mario RPG" people won't really know what it is unless they pay close attention to what Nintendo does and i can't blame gamers for not thoroughly looking into each Mario title that comes out.

They already have an RTS? If you're talking about Pikmin, no thanks. I understand Nintendo needs to maintain its status as the family friendly system but i mean come on, that design is just way too childish. Think about who plays RTS? What is every other popular RTS like? Pikmin is just not going to appeal to young adults. Not saying they have to turn up the violence and blood to obscene levels but the opposite end of the spectrum isn't going to work well either.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@amillionhp

Some don't, you should be aware of purists and unfortunately they're a vocal bunch. Also when the sales of games come in and it's the games that take less risks that sell more than the ones that do, what does that tell a company? 

Another Mario RPG? You mean the Paper Mario series or the Mario & Luigi series? Could've sworn both of those are considered RPGs. 

That's another thing that many gamers seem to think is completely obvious yet I completely understand Nintendo's actions, why compete in an area that is pretty much entirely dominated by another game? It's why Nintendo doesn't bother with certain genres and why other very talented developers don't bother with genres that Nintendo dominates. Plus Nintendo already has their own RTS and it's pretty amazing. 

Not saying everything else they're doing is doomed to failure, almost all of their active franchises are successful and doing quite well, it's just that they never get the attention from gamers that Nintendo's juggernaut franchises get which is why Nintendo has constantly and will continue to create Super Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon titles and at least they make their games in such a way that they stand alongside previous entries instead of overshadowing them and rendering them obsolete, something that many other franchises do, which is why I can never accuse Nintendo for "milking" except for maybe Pokemon but then again, that's 2nd party developed, not 1st party. 

amillionhp
amillionhp

@abHS4L88 @amillionhp Your saying the fanbase doesn't appreciate classics being changed up? Hmmm i don't know, Smash Bros. to me suggests otherwise. Mario has shown up in just about every possible genre of gaming and they have still ignored all the fan demand for another Mario RPG. With all the popularity for League of Legends and DoTa, why have they never tried a Bowser themed RTS? That should have been a no-brainer around the time Starcraft 2 came out at least. Think about all the possible units, airships, fortresses and so forth. I just can't agree that every spinoff or new genre they've tried with existing franchises is doomed to failure. From my perspective, it seems rather clear Nintendo hasn't put enough effort into doing that.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@amillionhp

Those do sound like great ideas that could manifest into something amazing but remember, we're dealing with a company with arguably the most sensitive fanbase out there. Almost every time they try to shake up a game, they're met with huge criticism and hate even though the final product ends up being amazing. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@amillionhp

There were still a ton of "gamers" who owned the Wii so no excuse. Also how about the PS3/360, do you think the "hardcore gamer" made up majority of the PS3/360 userbase? Sales say, no.

Also I'm talking about Fire Emblem Awakening, you know, for the 3DS, a system that does heavily market itself towards gamers. 

F-Zero was on a system for gamers, the Gamecube yet it sold poorly, lowering Nintendo's confidence in the franchise. Even Metroid, despite all of its acclaim, sells far less than Zelda. Donkey Kong Country Returns sold almost as much as all 3 Metroid Primes combined.

With The Last Story and Xenoblade, I was greatly surprised to find out that both didn't sell that great since the whole Operation Rainfall campaign was made just to get those two games along with Pandora's Tower brought over to the US. Just shows how much the gaming community rarely backs up what they say. 

amillionhp
amillionhp

@abHS4L88 @amillionhp  

I was always under the impression that Fire Emblem was pretty damn good, The Last Story? I don't remember much about that.  Yeah, if we are looking at sales figures, we have to understand what the Wii is and who buys it. The system itself was heavily marketed towards the average, non-gamer and managed to entice a lot of people to buy it that otherwise wouldn't buy a game console. Those people just are NOT going to purchase Fire Emblem. So... games that GAMERS actually like aren't going to sell so well on this system. For that reason, Nintendo has to lower their sales expectations. That said, i still think more of those titles will be what sways actual gamers to purchase their system.

amillionhp
amillionhp

@abHS4L88 Or here is another point, even among the classic franchises they do use over and over, Mario and Zelda are used way to often while Starfox and Metroid are not used quite as often as they should. Starfox in particular is is something that has a lot of untapped potential, i think. Or at least try some new approaches/spinoffs. 

Did we ever get a Zelda actually starring her as the lead? I'm pretty damn sure that would sell well and it'll at least be a little bit different. Gives them a good excuse to mix up the gameplay formula quite a bit as well. That is at least a step closer to something new than just another Zelda game. Or here's a thought, Gannon as lead maybe? That might entail Nintendo stepping away from it's reputation as the family oriented system that it is playing as a villain but just in the interest of shaking things up, why not? It worked with Wario.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@amillionhp

Xenoblade barely sold over 1m, The Wonderful 101 doesn't seem to be doing so great either, The Last Story didn't even crack 1m, even their more unique titles that aren't new IPs like Pikmin and Fire Emblem don't sell that well despite the amount of attention they get prior to launch. 

One thing I respect Nintendo for is that they have MUCH lower standards to what they consider a success in sales compared to most developers. They even stated that if they felt like Fire Emblem: Awakening didn't sell well, that the series would've been cancelled and apparently they think 800k is a success (that's how much it sold when that statement was made).