Wii U faces 'narrow window of opportunity' says analyst

Robert W. Baird analyst believes Nintendo will struggle to generate consumer interest for new console with information about future systems from Microsoft, Sony arriving in 2013.

When the Wii U launches worldwide later this year, it will struggle to generate broad consumer interest, Robert W. Baird analyst Colin Sebastian claimed in a note to investors today. The industry watcher said though the system will be adopted by the Nintendo faithful at launch, news of future consoles from Microsoft and Sony in the first half of 2013 will hurt its sales.

News of future consoles from Microsoft and Sony will hurt Wii U sales, predicts Sebastian.

"We remain concerned that Nintendo is missing an opportunity to build greater mindshare ahead of the [supposed] Wii U launch on November 18," he said. "While initial strong sales are likely given the Nintendo fanbase, we believe there may be a narrow window of opportunity to generate broad consumer interest before next-gen Microsoft and Sony platforms are announced in [first half of 2013] and launch in Q4 2013."

Elsewhere in his note, Sebastian said Nintendo is likely to announce a price for the Wii U at the company's media briefing in New York City next month. He estimates the console will sell for $249-$299, which is in line with previous analyst estimates.

Written By

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

Discussion

632 comments
vault-boy
vault-boy

Theres a couple of titles I'm interested in but I want to see more tech specs and more first party titles before I buy Wii U. Still, I'm hopeful that Nintendo doesn't make the same mistakes they did with the Wii (for the consumer, not for them of course. They made shit tons off that hunk o' junk).

Heirren
Heirren

Nintendo needs to remain valid for the survival of the industry.

IMDLEGEND
IMDLEGEND

I plan on getting one during the launch period.   I never owned a Wii,  and haven't had any Nintendo system (including no Nintendo portables),  with the exception of the Super Nintendo (which I traded in many years ago).   I like that the Nintendo Wii U will be backwards compatible,  If it sells at $250 like the original Wii did,  it will have no problems getting sales from the general public.   The main thing that Nintendo needs is a new Mascot.   How many times do we have to play Mario & Zelda?

PsychoRedFox666
PsychoRedFox666

I have yet to see anything that would fully convince me to get a Wii U.

jark888
jark888

Multiplayer is always a good idea. Some new gaming experience would be nice. Keep it up!

mariokart64fan
mariokart64fan

many playstation fanboys are hypocrits and the statement i made below this one proves why ,      for example n64 =more powerful ps1 sold more ,      

xbox gc more powerful but again people bought into the less powerful consoles ,   if any one is to blame for the lower power consoles selling in droves and  their consoles power hungry not doing good its the sony fanbase , 

mariokart64fan
mariokart64fan

 @dreamfist11  Oh ya then how come people bought playstations and playstation twos when there were more powerful systems on the market-n64 xbox gc ? and with 4 controller ports as well to boot and xbox live -later for xbox ,  ya like to see you defend that statement you just made where nintendo has the money when sony had more money they couldn't offer me or any one else more powerful hardware at a decent price? look at ps3 ,   $599.99  or psvita and psp -$250-$300   plus expensive memory cards  

 

tell me genious why sony did the same thing nintendo is doing now and you accepted it then whats the difference now?

ya i didnt think so  ,  if anything gc and xbox should have stomped the ps2 by your logic

jtthegame316
jtthegame316

Zombie u has my interest but i will still need more convincing

wyan_
wyan_

He didn't say it, but I don't think the U is going to repeat the kind of market share the Wii had. If it has some AAA titles I may buy it though.

FlakeyCrust
FlakeyCrust

A lof of you folks forget, Sony and Microsoft got into the game industry because of Nintendo. Nintendo showed that you could make a profitable console that stood the test of time, despite hardware limitations and the video game crash. The NES was NOT Next Generation when it was released. The games looked worse than a Commodore Amiga, but people loved the console because they were fun to play with a large library of third party games and exclusive franchises that were endearing (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Etc.). I also think it was because the systems were easy to figure out and cheap to replace, unlike a computer. So many pundits back then said, "My computer looks better than this", but the games for computers back then were not compatible with all computers. However, every NES game was compatible with every NES system. Nintendo is the leader for a reason, they know what people ultimately want, and that is to have a good time, with the least amount of drama. Most consumers are not huge gamers who spend every waking moment living video games. They want to be able to sit down, start an adventure, and not have to take a class to learn how to play the damn thing. Once they establish that presence, then they innovate, and with the exception of the Virtual Boy, their innovations have succeeded, and most of the time surpassed expectations. Then the big boys follow and copy what Nintendo has accomplished. If you think about it, the only original idea that any of the other game companies have come up with has been the Kinect, and who's to say Nintendo didn't come up with that one first, and ditched the idea? So here we are, once again, the market has a big question mark over it's head, smart phone apps are dominating sales over the $60 game titles, and Nintendo is poised to make a big impression like it did in 1985, selling a system that's not Next Gen, but has a lot of charm rolled up into a curious little package, and of course, Mario.

sacatash
sacatash

No matter what 'analysts' think, we cannot dispute the fact that after 6 long years, gamers are READY for another NEW CONSOLE and the WiiU and the 3DSXL will be the hottest consoles this holiday season.

 

No matter what 'analysts' think, we cannot dispute the fact that NINTENDO is first and foremost a gaming company.  They know what they are doing.

 

No matter what 'analysts' think, we cannot dispute the fact that NINTENDO will have a headstart in the market to build a fanbase before Sony and Microsoft.

 

No matter what 'analysts' think, we cannot dispute the fact that NINTENDO franchises of Mario and Zelda SELLS!

 

No matter what 'analysts' think....Well who CARES WHAT THEY THINK!!!

PC/Video games are our hobby and we hope that the WiiU and Sony and Microsoft next consoles will have very good consoles this year and next year..

 

PLAY ON!!!

 

SolidSnakeTPF
SolidSnakeTPF

 If this is selling for 300 dollars then it will def be the cheapest system on the market when the next xbox and playstation release. Also, before those systems release the WiiU will have plenty of time to build a nice library of games such as Zelda (in HD for the first time), Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart, A Starfox ,and a Metroid game, all of which have some of the biggest and most hardcore followings in video games. This system will sell plain and simple. It will not be the most powerful system on the market nor will it boast ridiculous next gen graphics like its competitors, but when has that ever mattered with Nintendo? They make great games and have a great fan base, and that has got them where they are today. 

dreamfist11
dreamfist11

I think those people who are thinking the WiiU will be as good or better than the Wii (in terms of sales) are missing a vital point: The original Wii targeted EVERYONE, kids, teens, adults who didn't like how "complex" videogame controllers were, grandparents, literally to EVERYONE.  The problem here is that the WiiU cant do that, it can't target as wide an audience as the original Wii did.  Grandparents wont be able to play the WiiU as easily as the Wii, neither will adults who think PS3 and 360 controllers are "complex".  The little kids wont be able to just grab the wiimote and swing it, they now have a fairly big controller that they probably cant even hold. 

 

Simply:

Wii = Huge target audience

WiiU = Much MUCH smaller target audience

londenbridges05
londenbridges05

I think Nintendo's making a gamble. People expect PS4 and Xbox to continue with pushing hardware, not innovating it. They expect the next Unreal Engine 4 to be there with all of its next level graphics. The problem with that is if they're gonna make that kind of machine, they will have to charge the same kind of prices they did for PS3. PLUS, there's a very good chance that people will want touchscreen controllers thanks to Wii U having a year of influence in the market. Can you guest how much that kind of feature will cost on top of a new powerhouse system?

 

The gamble is leading people to rethink that expense.

Tylendal
Tylendal

 @IMDLEGEND To be fair, the second and third most recent 3D Mario games are the second and third best games of all time, on Gamerankings.com, which averages all review scores.  Mario and Zelda are far from stale.

dreamfist11
dreamfist11

 @FlakeyCrust And how has Nintendo "made consoles that show they stood the test of time "  That is a ridiculous statement, they have showed us exactly the opposite with the Wii, honestly im trying to have a good discussion here with some facts and some good points and you post something you know is completely false!?

dreamfist11
dreamfist11

 @FlakeyCrust 1. In all honesty thats a pretty dumb view of things, you could just as easily say "If it wasn't for Atari showing there was profit in videogames, Nintendo wouldn't be where they are today". 

2.  Nintendo was just starting out back in the day, they made good use of what they had and went with a nice, simple controller;  Nintendo aren't "starting out" today, they are part of the Big Three now, they have CASH, more is to be expected from them, and rightfully so. 

 

Nintendo can just as easily "pioneer new forms of playing" and still at least TRY and future proof there console.  When your launching a NEXT GEN console that is on par with 7 year old tech and only a bit better, somethings wrong. 

 

This isn't "Oh poor Ninty, they are some little company that cant afford to launch a console with next gen graphics"

 

Its "Nintendo, not wanting to invest a little cash in future proofing your console".

 

 

Kravyn81
Kravyn81

 @sacatash Speak for yourself. Not everyone is ready for a new console. I'm perfectly happy with my PS3. The only incentive I can see with the new gen coming up is a decrease in prices for games this gen therefore making it cheaper for me to buy more.

FlakeyCrust
FlakeyCrust

 @dreamfist11 I can't believe you think that the Wii U gamepad will not be easy to use for kids and the elderly. I think it will be easier to use than the standard controller because the touch screen information will keep the user informed at all times. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @dreamfist11 

Uhh, the Wii U is basically expanding on what the Wii offered BUT focusing more on hardcore gaming. 

 

The Wii U is still going to offer that simple motion gaming that the Wii offered, now maybe if the Wii U completely ditched the WiiMotes, then it could be in danger, but it's not, it's truly offering something for everyone. 

 

Those who love motion gaming or loved the simplicity of the Wii? WiiMotes (and MotionPlus) still supported.

 

Those who want to try out the GamePad and how it's integrated? Well that's what the Wii U was built for.

 

Those who just want to play videogames without anything else? There's the Pro Controller that will be supported in all core titles. 

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @londenbridges05 I've also thought of something similar.

 

I bought the Wii after being hyped about the PS3 for ages, due to release of PS3 specs, and also because of the 360 being released. I was at bursting point to buy a new console, and so I leaped in with the Wii because of the lower price compared to the PS3, using the Wii as a stop gap until the PS3 came down in price.

 

This time round MS and Sony are being very quiet aren't they.

 

Neither of them are getting us excited for the next consoles by leaking information. If they did leak information, we would get excited, and we would want to buy a new console, and we'd only have the option to buy the Wii U, as that would be the only new console released.

 

I think Sony and MS are being pretty smart about things. Let the gaming industry have a bit of a snooze for a while. Let the Wii U launch into a flat market. Let the Wii U flounder, and when Nintendo slash the cost in 9 months time then start stoking the fires by leaking information.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @londenbridges05 

My guess (and hope) is that Microsoft and Sony don't take the powerhouse console route again, primarily because it is a major risk (if the PS3 and 360 didn't last as long as they did, both companies would've been in deep trouble) and also I would like another generation where all 3 companies offer something substantially different in their consoles. There's already hints that Microsoft is going to continue to with Kinect and really, if the next one does prove to be accurate and precise, it could really add to more hardcore games. I don't know what Sony is up to but compared to Microsoft, I would think they would be more likely to take the safe route considering how much money they've lost with the PS3 and how the Vita is currently struggling. 

 

As for what you said about people wanting what the Wii U is offering, already Microsoft and Sony revealed their "answers" in the form of Vita/PS3 Crossplay and SmartGlass (but both cannot hope to achieve everything that the Wii U is offering). 

dreamfist11
dreamfist11

 @londenbridges05 Yes you might be paying more up front but your getting much more out of your system than the WiiU.  Your essentially investing in systems with much longer life spans, that are future proofed and will probably have an 8 year lifespan.  And Microsoft is already incorporating  touchscreen with the Xbox.  I'ts like those who bought the Wii, sure they spent the least amount of money, but they also got the least out of their systems, horrible online, no  future proofing, mainly shovelware games, none of the standard games like assassins creed or resident evil revelations. 

 

Essentially, you get what you pay for

vault-boy
vault-boy

 @Tylendal  @IMDLEGEND Well, to be honest they are fun games but they are no different from previous titles. But the real problem isn't that Nintendo keeps making Mario and Zelda, its that they don't make anything else (and don't start nitpicking with the little shits they make). I want some new IP to come from Nintendo, not just the same old Mario/Zelda/Samus despite how fun they might be.

FlakeyCrust
FlakeyCrust

 @dreamfist11 The NES, the SNES, the N64, are all classic systems which still have value in the collectible market. Even the Sega Genesis/CD. I've thought about getting an N64 just to play some classic games that may not be re-mixed for the consoles, like Conquer's Bad Fur Day, or Banjo Kazooie. Being that their developer, RARE is now owned by Microsoft, any chance of seeing HD version of these games for Nintendo hardware is unlikely.

demonic_85
demonic_85

 @dreamfist11  @FlakeyCrust I have to agree that the Wii did not age well. Sure it sold like hot cakes to the casual audience but most of those people probably use it as a Netflix player or just leave it on the shelf collecting dust. The Wii only has a handful of really great games, most of it is just shovelware to cash in on the casual appeal of motion controls.

 

Overall i'd say that the Wii has been more detrimental to the gaming industry than most people would like to admit. Sony and Microsoft likely used the Wii's success as an excuse to drag out this generation as long as possible with the mentality that advanced hardware and graphics werent going to push sales as much as motion controllers.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @dreamfist11  

For a console that's like a fraction of the power and capabilities of its competitors to last 5-6 years, yeah the Wii stood the test of time. To add to what FlakeyCrust said, it's not only their consoles, it's also their games too. The fact that people still go back and play many of the classic Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Kirby titles is a testament to how well they design and create their games. Almost never do their new games render previous ones obsolete.

 

Love the new Zelda game? Well you'll love the previous ones also. Love the new Mario game? Previous ones are still a blast to play. Like the new Call of Duty? Yeah no one plays the older ones anymore. 

FlakeyCrust
FlakeyCrust

 @dreamfist11 Future Proofing? The future is in the games, not the hardware. I don't see smart phone apps dying out because people want higher resolution games on their retina displays. I also see more and more classic 8 and 16 bit games in the E-shops, as well as PS2 titles for download on the PSN. These aren't "next Gen" games but people are buying them. Why? Because the gaming experience is more important than the resolution or speed rendered by the hardware. The console war is a dynamic created by the retailers and fan boys to get you to buy a more expensive machine and appeal to your fears of not having the latest and greatest. But if there are no games for it, it's as good as dead. The Wii U may not be next gen, but at least it's 1.5 gen, with the new gamepad being an ESTABLISHED interface that has been used in the DS line of handhelds, of which a plethora of developers already know how to maximize for fun. So I, and many many other gamers could care less if it is the fastest and most powerful under the hood, because it's all about the games, not the hardware. Besides if I wanted the latest hardware, I would play games on a new PC.

FlakeyCrust
FlakeyCrust

 @Kravyn81  @sacatash I love my PS3 too, but I'm getting tired of similar apps showing up on the Xbox 360 and I have no desire to play the current exclusives for the PS3. Nintendo IS a game company first, that makes their own hardware. They don't also make Cell Phones, Stereos, or MP3 Players, or TV's. They're revenues aren't divided between operating systems, smart phones and game consoles. ALL OF NINTENDO'S WORK GOES TOWARDS GAMES. Even after all these years, how does Super Mario Bros. 2 for the 3DS come out with such high ratings, even though it's kinda the same thing? Because Nintendo worked to make it different, listen to fans, and moved forward. I was personally surprised that they were ready to release the 3DSXL so fast, but people spoke up and said, this would be cooler if it was bigger, and they listened. The Wii U will be big because they will make it big, just like they did with the Wii. 

dreamfist11
dreamfist11

 @FlakeyCrust Swinging a WiiMote is much more intuitive, natural and easy than a gamepad.  The Gamepad is basically going back to the original controller design but with a touchscreen in the middle.  When Nintendo launched the OG Wii they pointed out that casual playing adults and the elderly could easily pickup a wii mote and swing it even without having to memorize any buttons or anything like that, they can't do that with the WiiU, the whole point of the WiiU is the Gamepad, it'll be much harder trying to convey the Gamepad being more intuitive and natural and easty to pickup up (for adults and casual players) than the OG WiiMote. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @FlakeyCrust  

Indeed, the DS had universal appeal so why would the Wii U be any different?

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @abHS4L88  @dreamfist11 I'm glad that Nintendo have got a simple solution for everyone, i'm sure the casual gamers in particular will appreciate it.

 

The unit will come with 2 controller types. motion control and tablet. The motion control comes in 2 parts - main part and nunchuk. You can play multiplayer but only 2 people can play on the tablet, and only 1 tablet is supplied. For those that want to play on a "normal" controller, such as those that have been supplied with all other consoles that I can recall over the last couple of decades (with the exception of the Wii), they can use the Pro Controller, although that will not be supplied with the purchase of the main unit., and not everyone will choose to get one. 

 

Why is anyone confused?

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @davedrastic  

You're hilarious, if gamers are excited for a new Sony/Microsoft console, why would that encourage them to buy a Nintendo console? 

 

Also the gaming industry is pretty much DYING for a new console so there's NO way the Wii U is launching in a flat market. 

FlakeyCrust
FlakeyCrust

 @abHS4L88  @londenbridges05 You may be right, but if Sony is planning on selling the Vita as a Wii U Gamepad alternative, it's a mighty expensive controller to be sure. I'm guessing a replacement pad for the Wii U will be just at $100. They will either have to come out with a new touch screen controller for the PS4, or bring the Vita down to the same price as the Wii U Gamepad, which I do not see happening for a long time, if at all.

londenbridges05
londenbridges05

 @abHS4L88 smartglass and vita crossplay is like a tv steak dinner compared to a five star resturaunt's steak dinner. It ain't the same thing

londenbridges05
londenbridges05

 @dreamfist11 i agree. but i can't be too sure about how future proof wii u is. the future isn't even sure about what it's going to be. but i suspect that 3rd party support will be different only because Nintendo is making a big deal about it. Nintendo never touted Wii for having so much support. Besides, I see more people owning the Wii and one of the other systems instead of having both xbox and ps3 which are very similar. and if microsoft is incorporating touchsreen features then how can it beat out what Nintendo's doing and compete with pricing?

FlakeyCrust
FlakeyCrust

 @demonic_85  @dreamfist11 Wii sales have diminished over the year because of anticipation of the Wii U, but the Wii is still a popular system. I worked in electronics last year at a mainstream retailer, and we couldn't keep them in stock, even after the holidays.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @dreamfist11 

You obviously didn't understand what I said, considering that the Wii was underpowered, it lasted pretty damn long. The 360 and PS3 didn't stand the test of time because they were meant to last that long, now the PS2 most certainly did last much longer than expected. 

 

Yes, they have one franchise that comes out like once every 3 years so now they're all of a sudden like Activison. I was saying how even though you play Nintendo's new games, it doesn't change how awesome their previous games were, unlike games like Call of Duty where each new game pretty much makes the previous game worthless (since the main draw to those titles is online multiplayer and with each new game, the community moves to the new title). 

 

No one was duped, Nintendo put their best foot forward with the Wii's first party titles, the 3rd parties that actually tried to create something awesome also succeeded, don't blame Nintendo for lazy 3rd party developers. Plus again the Wii U already has the attention of many 3rd parties and if it sells well, it'll only gain more support and even when the next XBox and Playstation come out, if the WiI U has a large user base, 3rd parties will in no way abandon it if they know their games will sell well on the Wii U. 

dreamfist11
dreamfist11

 @abHS4L88 If its one thing the Wii failed at, and that everyone has pointed out and knows, is that the Wii DID NOT stand the test of time.  To say so is just ignorant fanboy talk.  Thats like me saying "The Xbox stood the test of time" it didn't, the Xbox 360 and PS3 did, the PS2 certainly did. 

And I hate call of duty so I cant really understand your point, where nintendo are headed IS where call of duty is at right now, same games over and over.  Super Mario on the SNES was incredible.  Super Mario on the Wii? Not so much.  Was it fun? Yeah, it was pretty fun. (But it doesn't compare to something like Super Mario on the SNES, that was MAGIC).  Would I buy a console just for that one game? No. 

 

And if anything, ive heard most wii owners say they wont be duped into buying a WiiU just for Mario or Zelda again and miss out on all the next gen 3rd party software like what happened with the wii

Furwings
Furwings

 @x_hunter00  @FlakeyCrust  @Kravyn81   @sacatash  Actually the Nintendo name did help sell A LOT of Wii consoles. There are millions of people out there who were gamers back in the NES and SNES days. A lot of those people quit playing games altogether due to outgrowing it, marriage, kids, careers etc. A large number of those people gave the Wii a shot because of their personal history with the brand and not just because it was unique/different.

x_hunter00
x_hunter00

 @FlakeyCrust  @Kravyn81  @sacatash The Wii  didn't sell big because it was made by Nintendo. It sold huge numbers because of Wii Fit (which isn't even a game) and titles like Wii sports. These two appealed to a much broader audience who weren't even the target audience of the Wii, which are "gamers". Ask the gaming community which is the best gaming console and the Wii wouldn't even come close to the XBOX or PS3.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @davedrastic 

Unless you're planning on using the Wii U by yourself only, of course you'd buy another controller. The Wii didn't come with the classic controller but that didn't stop people who wanted traditional controls from getting one. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @davedrastic 

You live in Austrailia? 

 

Yes a lot of purchasing decisions are illogical, but I would think that one would put thought into making an expensive purchase (unless you clearly have money to spend and don't mind) that's where I fail to see why anyone would buy one console when they clearly want another one. 

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @abHS4L88 I stand-by my analogy.

 

Yes a chocolate bar is significantly cheaper than a console, conceded, but my point is that a chocolate bar is an impulse purchase. You don't need it, but you want it. And because one type of chocolate bar wasn't available, you're already sold on buying an alternative.

 

There's no point in stating that the analogy is illogical. A lot of purchasing decisions are illogical.

 

We buy things because we want them, not only because we need them.

 

I bought the Wii at $399, which although a sizeable amount, was significantly cheaper than the PS3 at the time - which I can't quite recall but I think $899 or so. Disapointingly and prohibitively high in any case.

 

 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @davedrastic 

You're comparing a home console, a huge investment, to candy, there's no logic to that because candy is an instant indulgence. if I get the wrong one, oh well, that's like $1 down the drain but I know better next time. A home console is hundreds of dollars and not something I'm going to just buy because I want a gaming console. 

 

Like I said, I'm going to buy a console that I'm absolutely positive I'm going to love playing and be playing for a long time. I actually didn't care for the 3DS initially, but when previews for upcoming games started coming out (like Mario 3D Land, Kid Icarus, Kingdom Hearts 3D) along with the limited edition Zelda version coming out, I decided to get one and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Same thing with my 360, although I admit I got it because of the Kinect, when I grew tired of playing it, I started looking for other games, my first one being Tales of Vesperia since I love that franchise. 

 

Your analogy is like comparing a one time workshop to college enrollment. 

 

If I were you and I REALLY wanted a PS3 know what I would've done? I would've saved that $250 that was spent on the Wii, waited for the PS3 to be a favorable price and use that money to buy it (with a game or 2 and another controller) instead of buying a system that I clearly had no intention of buying and wasn't aware of the games it offered. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @Kravyn81 

Oh really? Yeah Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo can't launch $300-$400 consoles yet Apple and Samsung can release new phones and tablets every year (most tablets being more expensive than home consoles). Look around you, the world economy is nowhere near as crappy as you're making it out to be. Holding off on consoles this long is actually damaging the videogame industry because console sales is one of the biggest businesses.

 

Both Sony and Microsoft couldn't afford to let this generation end when generations usually end because for one, their consoles were built to last longer than 4-5 years and because of that, it needed to last longer than 4-5 years otherwise both companies would've lost millions. 

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @Kravyn81  @abHS4L88 Yep, very good point.

 

People were using their credit cards, we're no longer doing that as much.

 

Even if you have the money to buy a Wii U, it doesn't mean it's an easy purchase to justify, especially if you already have 1 or 2 current gen consoles, and especially if you have a glut of unplayed games, and especially if you have lots of games that have yet to be released on the current consoles that you own.

 

So who's going to buy the Wii U? The Nintendo faithful that don't have any economic issues, and likely do not own any current gen consoles for which they have a glut of games.

 

That sounds like Nintendo faithful Wii only owners to me. Are they enough to support a gaming system?

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @abHS4L88 It's not my fault you can't see reason.

 

Perhaps this analogy will help, perhaps it won't.

 

You really want a Snickers bar. You have a pang for a Snickers bar. You've been thinking about treating yoursefl to a Snickers bar all day, and g darn it, you're going to buy yourself a Snickers bar.

 

So you go to the shop, and they don't have any Snickers bars.

 

So you buy a Boost instead.

 

Did you want a Boost? Well it wasn't your preferred option but given that your prefered option wasn't available, and that given that the Boost bar is also a chocolate bar and there are a lot of similarities, even if it doesnt have any nuts in it, it will satisfy your craving for now.

 

You can buy that Snickers bar next week when it's on a half price sale.

 

Analogy over.

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @londenbridges05  @abHS4L88 I think perhaps you misunderstood me. I said my Wii didn't work with my HDTV. Yes I know the Wii U will look fine and purdy, but that in itself does not justify a purchase given that my PS3 already fulfils that requirements.

Kravyn81
Kravyn81

 @abHS4L88  "This generation has lasted FAR longer than previous ones, but primarily because it was in Sony and Microsoft's best interests to keep the generation lengthy since both companies invested a ton of money into their HD consoles."

 

 Uh, wrong there, Chief. This gen has lasted as long as it has because, if you haven't noticed, the world economy is shit. It's simply bad timing and not a healthy economic environment to launch a new console when people are having trouble keeping their gas tanks full. There isn't as much disposable income to throw around as frequently. All three companies realized this and all three held off launching new consoles because the economic climate/market would not support it within that short time frame (5 years or less).

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @davedrastic 

How is it pointless? You said you were excited for a PS3, yet you purchased a Wii instead. You ended up not liking the Wii, and because of that, you judge Nintendo when you bought a system that didn't appeal to your taste as a gamer. 

 

I still don't see the sense of being excited for one system then buying a completely different one just because "I'm excited". What makes sense is being excited and saving up my money so I can get that new system as soon as possible along with whatever game I want with it. 

londenbridges05
londenbridges05

 @davedrastic  @abHS4L88 i think the wii u will support your hd tv just fine. from what my sources tell me, we're gonna have HD tvs for a pretty long time. at least six more years. they have better ones that run 4000p out there but movie producers are buying them for at least 10000 a pop right now. they ain't for us normal income citizens right now lol.

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @abHS4L88 Hmmm. Your comment strikes me as bogus, and pointless. 

 

I was expecting to use the Wii on an ongoing basis. Didnt quite work out that way. My Wii and my HD TV did not get on very well, yet my PS3 and HD TV got on tremendously.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @davedrastic 

But see where that got you? 

 

That's one way you can really describe a hardcore gamer vs a casual gamer. A hardcore gamer is willing to wait and save up for exactly what they want while a casual gamer is willing to drop money for something that intrigues them, whether or not they'll use it for a long time. 

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @abHS4L88 It's not that complicated, really. If we all get excited. we're excited. I was excited for the PS3 and to quell my excitement I bought the Wii. I don't think I was the only one.

davedrastic
davedrastic

 @MVan86  @abHS4L88 Yes I agree. I've loved my PS3, still do, and still have far too many games. For me I can feel a little bit of enuie setting in, I don't think there's much improvement to be had out of the generation, but then there's still so many games I've yet to spend a good amount of time on, and so many more games still to come.So far i've only played Battlefield 1943 multiplayer, other than a little dabble here and there, and I look forward to spending time on other games multiplayer when I get round to it.

 

I think those that bought the 360/PS3 shortly after release might have had their fill by now.

 

Either way, i'm sure we'll all get excited once the next MS and Sony consoles are due to be launched.

MVan86
MVan86

 @abHS4L88 I also feel developers have more certainty with consoles than PCs given how fast PCs change.

 

Aha I see, same boat for both of us.

 

Well that's the thing I just can't see graphics having that much further to advance (some games are already very close to photo-realism) and it often seems more like the engines and such are more responsible for frame rate or screen tearing than the consoles. So I can't console evolution having that much further to go (depending on if 3D is here to stay or just a flash in the pan).

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @MVan86 

Same here on PC gaming, I'm much more comfortable with a controller anyways (although when I used to play RTS games, it was always on a PC). 

 

I got a 360 in 2010 and I was pretty late getting into this generation also (started buying the best 360 and Wii games in 2011).

 

It is indeed not broke but think about how much better if they could expand it, make it longer and such. Although I don't believe the next generation will be a huge leap in graphics, it would be in processing power and memory. 

MVan86
MVan86

 @abHS4L88 I have to say I'm really not 'sold' on this idea comps are THAT much better than consoles.

 

Well one it'd annoy me, then again I can't help having bought in late this gen (I had life issues I had to work through before I got back into gaming), and two I look at my favourite games (eg Halo, Gears of War, God of War, etc) and I think the graphics are sublime, the AI ruthless and the scope huge - so, "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @MVan86 

Well Portal 2 is a multiplatform game. I think the best example right now is Star Wars 1313, that game looks O_O and those kind of visuals are not possible on the 360/PS3. 

 

For you it, yeah no need for a new console, but remember this generation started in 2005 plus we've been getting reports from different developers on how they all want a new console because it's not only in the graphics, but also being able to expand the AI and the scope of the games. 

MVan86
MVan86

 @abHS4L88 Well I have to say I got a new computer late last year and when I played Portal 2 on it I felt I got a better more responsive experience from each of my Consoles. So I see no need for a new console.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @MVan86  

When you compare what PCs are now capable of compared to consoles, and all these new engines being created, it kind of does tell you that it is time for new consoles. This generation has lasted FAR longer than previous ones, but primarily because it was in Sony and Microsoft's best interests to keep the generation lengthy since both companies invested a ton of money into their HD consoles. Yeah the games we are seeing now are quite amazing and a sight to behold, but they're also really pushing the capabilities of the 360/PS3. That's why I know the Wii U is truly next gen because it can easily run the games that pushes the PS3/360. 

 

Ubisoft's newest IP, Watch Dogs, is a next gen title (I'm guessing that they can't execute that game on the PS3/360). 

MVan86
MVan86

 @abHS4L88  @davedrastic I still don't understand the desperation for another console, maybe that's cause I've only had my 360 for a year but I find the 360 and PS3 solid machines that are capable of real magic.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @FlakeyCrust  

Plus there's no way developers would utilize the Vita as a controller as a key feature in a game considering how mild Vita sales have been, especially when you consider that not all Vita owners have a PS3 (the idea is absurd but hey, maybe they got a 360 and opted for a Vita). Plus there's also streaming and lag issues too, the Wii U was built upon this concept whereas the Vita is a console with that feature. 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

 @londenbridges05 

I know that, but this is what both companies came rolling in with after the Wii U was revealed. 

dreamfist11
dreamfist11

 @londenbridges05 Think about touchscreen controllers like the Wii with motion controllers.  The touchscreen is the main selling point of the WiiU, just like motion controls were with the Wii.  Sony and Microsoft then both did their own motion control thing, it was a peripheral though obviously.  Same thing is going to happen again, Microsoft is incorporating touchscreen in the NextBox by using tablets or ipods that will work with the NextBox in much the same way that the WiiUs gamepad does.  Sony is incorporating touchscreen into the NextStation by using the PSVita essentially as the WiiU's gamepad.  This way, Microsoft and Sony avoid having to add more to the price of their next consoles and at the same time dipping into the touchscreen market.  Touchscreen controllers wont be the main feature of their systems, just like motion controls arent the main feature of the 360 or PS3, but they will be another option, they will sort of be like next gens version of PSMove and Kinect