Wii 2 to have 8GB flash memory, no HDD?

Unconfirmed reports have upcoming HD console sporting proprietary 25GB disc format--but no large-capacity internal hard drive.

Source: Gaming blog Kotaku.

What we heard: Ever since its existence was first rumored back in mid-April, the Wii's successor has been a lightning rod of speculation. Over the span of 11 days, the console was rumored to have a tablet controller with a 6.2-inch touch screen and day-one support from the developers of Grand Theft Auto IV and Donkey Kong Country Returns. The console was also, according to unconfirmed reports, supposed to sport HD graphics and use Blu-ray discs as its format of choice.

The Wii's successor will also reportedly not have a hard drive.

Finally, on April 25, Nintendo confirmed that the Wii 2--reportedly named Project Cafe--would ship in 2012 and would also be playable at the upcoming 2011 Electronic Entertainment Expo. However, the dearth of information accompanying the announcement has led to a vacuum into which even more rumors have rushed.

Enter the latest scuttlebutt, in which Kotaku reports that the Wii 2 will not have a hard drive. Instead, the console will come with 8GB of flash memory and, like its forebear, the ability to store game data on SD memory cards. The 8GB of flash memory is the equivalent of the hard drive in the original Xbox, which was released in 2001 with both 8GB and 10GB hard drives, depending on the parts manufacturer. It's also less than half of the first Xbox 360 HDD and the lower-end launch PlayStation 3 HDD, both of which were 20GB. (The higher-end launch PS3 had a 60GB HDD.) Current-model PS3 hard drives range from 160GB to 320GB, with the higher-end slimline Xbox 360 sporting a 250GB HDD and the lower-end Xbox 360 slim having 4GB of flash memory and no hard drive.

Kotaku's sources also report that the Wii's follow-up will also have a proprietary format capable of storing up to 25GB per disc, rather than using the Blu-ray format. The high storage capacity will be for the console's graphics, which will reportedly either be 1080p or 1080i. According to various reports, the console will--at the very least--match the 360 and PS3 in power, making porting games over to the console easier than it currently is on the lower-resolution Wii.

The official story: "Nintendo does not comment on rumors or speculation."--Nintendo rep.

Bogus or not bogus?: While the report certainly adds some spice to the rumor stew that continues to simmer, it's not enough to go on definitively. However, such low-capacity storage would severely limit the console's downloadable content capability out of the box and would make future-proofing the console a major concern. That said, with Electronic Entertainment Expo now just over a month away, people shouldn't have to wait long to get firm answers to their questions about the Wii 2.

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Draxargh
Draxargh

My cell phone shouldn't have more memory than a This + 1/2 Gen console

johnjarvela
johnjarvela

I love how everyone believes that this is fact, its not fact its a god damn rumor, which means its neither true nor false till we hear the official specs from Nintendo, don't believe everything you see on the internet, jeez people..., well so far most of the rumors on Project Cafe have been proven factual, but still come on people

Magiquiz
Magiquiz

For me that is the whole issue, Why the hell would I want to store my games on a disc!?!?!?!?!? It can't be that expensive to pus a hard drive in it. BAH!!

KBFloYd
KBFloYd

@Cillerboy oh so your using it to store movies and music...no wonder you ran out of space...also ps3 mandatory downloads are big.. however if you just want to use you wii2 for gaming there will be no problems...and if there is 32GB sd crads will do just fine.

GodGundamNT1
GodGundamNT1

@maxsteel86 what an idiotic remark, Nintendo unlike Sega was not dumping hardware every 9 months and did not get consumers angry by shipping hardware like SEGA CD, 32X, Saturn, Netlink, Menacer, Activator, etc Nintendo actually supports their hardware extremely well so its no going to be like Dreamcast specially since Nintendo WILL NEVER make the mistake of an alliance with Microsoft.

GodGundamNT1
GodGundamNT1

@ordinateur an SSD is NOT a HDD because there IS NO DISC, its chips, microchips, there is nothing SPINNING at all, so it does not make a sound or is subject to utter destruction like a HDD if it was dropped. Its almost like a cartridge, its also VERY expensive, the tech is not there yet when it can be accessible. 8GB of flash memory sounds ok, although they should have 16GB or more but guess what, a 16GB memory stick or higher are still pretty expensive because of how convenient they are.

ForzaAbruzzo
ForzaAbruzzo

The console will sell well because it has Nintendo's name slapped on it, which means that it will automatically have customer support and loyalty. Much as was the case with the Wii though, I see the hardware falling short of what it SHOULD be. Nintendo better tread carefully here...

maxsteel86
maxsteel86

Wii2... reminds of the time the Dreamcast got hammered by the original Playstation...

blackace
blackace

I'm sure the Wii 2 will be 100% backward compatible. 8GB of inside storage is to low though. 32GB or more would have been better. If they really want to step it up, they should include a 250+ HDD in their system, especially if they are keeping their store with all those downloads. Still, Nintendo shocked the world with the original Wii.People continue to bash it, but it still has outsold the competition by a mile. I was outselling the PS3 2:1 for the the first 2 years and the PS3 launched a week before the Wii. It still sells very well during the holidays. Right out of the gate it was making a profit, unlike the 360 and PS3.

fleshandblood10
fleshandblood10

I am sure the Wii 2 wont be released without some point to it, some gimmick and something to draw players in. If they are bringing it to 360 and ps3 spec then thats all well an good but it is only a stop gap because the next gen of the other companies will succeed it again. Still the over all plan could be to match for now and get yet something else out when the time comes. I am not excited or dissapointed... as of yet.

Wormkid_64
Wormkid_64

@ StJimmy15 86 million units sold = no screw up.I understand the third parties are lacking on the Wii,but it has plenty of triple A titles to make it worth owning.As to the lame 3rd party games,the great 1st party ones show that there's just no excuse for it anymore.The devs simply refuse to put real effort into a good Wii game. All of that said,I do look forward to details E3.I know there will be HD and buff graphics,hopefully a step above the current HD consoles.Blu-ray would be nice,but not required,and some form of high volume storage would be important.However I'm most interested,not in these everyday things that are already available,but in the controller,and what ever the "new" thing Iwata talked about is.Fun and something different.That's what I want.I imagine it's what I'll get.

gameking5000
gameking5000

@KimCheeWarriorX A gamer isn't someone who is a PS3/Xbox 360 fanboy and probably plays CoD all day.

Makbar_Ramirez
Makbar_Ramirez

Please let this be bogus. This would be a short-sighted attempt by Nintendo to try and play keep-up with the 360 and PS3. A new console needs to be better than what's currently available in order to stay competitive. A fancy new controller will not cut it this time around.

KimCheeWarriorX
KimCheeWarriorX

the nintendo wii, the first game console not made for gamers

StJimmy15
StJimmy15

hahahaha oh wow. This is their board meeting: "Hey guys, I think we really have something with this whole 'meeting hardware demands 10 years late' thing, so lets leave out the HDD until 2020 and just give everyone a memory stick." I know "graphics dont matter" but i mean really, when your current console is essentially a Gamecube with motion controls you screwed up somewhere and need to seriously re-evaluate any future attempts...

xrtlop
xrtlop

I really hope these are just rumors, if they aren't even bothering to improve on the PS3 or Xbox 36o it would be a letdown.

jetstopia
jetstopia

Im thinking there is a little fact involved and a lot of hype. Dont know if I like Nintndo just aiming at matching the current gen (even as a minimum) I think they should be at least setting something that Sony and Microsoft have to improve on and surpass in their next consoles. If Nintendo doesnt offer much different to the current competition why does the competition need to put in as much effort. Competition in the console wars just means better quality for all gamers regardless of what system(s) they choose

campbell153
campbell153

cant wait for the "Wii 2" to come out!!!!!

flammable_zeus
flammable_zeus

Sounds more like Wii 1.2 so far. Come on Nintendo, you'll show these rumours!... Right?!

Xtatic324
Xtatic324

OMG What? No Hard Drive? Nintendo.. get with the program. What are you guys doing? How are you ONLY going to advance the graphics equivalent to the 360 and ps3 now? 2 Years after that, Sony and Microsoft will leave you guys in the dust. Well.. maybe not Sony with what's going on with them now. They'll probably get sued, up to you know where.

shkar
shkar

8GB ??? you're joking ,,right ???

Cillerboy
Cillerboy

@KBFloYd game save data, demos, games from PSN, videos, music etc

dkidfrmdbx
dkidfrmdbx

@King-gamer I was def skeptical about how Nintendo would pull this off. I bought the Wii and remeber giving it away and swearing off of any more Nintendo consoles, but you def have a great solution to the abysmal amount of storage. Itll give Nintendo a chance to appeal to the casual gamers by offering the low end capacity version and to the real gamers a higher end one. but storage space will not sell the console to real gamers alone. They need better support and a better library that doesnt consist of poorly assembled shovel ware.

Masterclass2006
Masterclass2006

seems like they are making another cheap console to make more profit from the get go and a cheap selling point.

mechag2
mechag2

@Heirren: Let me rephrase that. What I mean is that I want full DLC support to legitimately extend the life of the game post release. Some 3rd parties have gotten into the nasty habit of abusing DLC support, such as for the CoD series (as you mentioned). In that sense I couldn't agree with you more, but in other circumstances, DLC can be a good thing.

x-2tha-z
x-2tha-z

I was hoping this would be a next-generation console. If it's just Nintendo playing catch up and releasing a current gen console, I'll be disappointed.

voldalin
voldalin

@ dre256x - your absoluetly right. Nintendo makes money on everything they sell from the get go. Sony and microsoft may break even in a few years of launch if they are lucky. And this new controller for Wii 2 sounds intresting to say the least.

Muvilici
Muvilici

I don't think it's going to be a bestseller anyway... Maybe just for the 5 year olds :).

dre256x
dre256x

once again taking the conservative route.. See until Nintendo start losing money per console sold, they won't change there business tactic.. They are probably the only console manufacturer who makes money per console sold right from the start of its cycle.. So we can take this as 2 ways, 1) By the time (maybe 2013 or 2014) microsoft and sony release there next system, nintendo hopefully by then can see what the competition has and remodel/slight upgrade this next system.. 2) Or they could stick to tradition and release another system within 5years (maybe 2017)... And why 8gb of flash memory, why not 64gb because by the time this thing launches 64 would then be cheap...

dawnofhero
dawnofhero

More power, Nintendo. That's what you used to be all about.

IAPrino
IAPrino

I will be pissed if the new console does not have a HDD. That would be a crippling blow, and a HUGE mistake. I don't believe this is true. It just can't be. We shall see.

ronnet
ronnet

So the Wii2 should match the 360/PS3 so they can port games? Right.... because original Wii matching the original Xbox/PS2 really made for a big porting scene.... If the Wii2 is out before the new Xbox and PS then they might benefit from 'multiplat' titles for a while but it would be too little, too late. And kinect shows that the mainstreams don't even know what 'brand loyality' means. So another Mario remake won't do it for them, the next Wii better have some revolutionary new methode of control to compete with Kinect.

DrKill09
DrKill09

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! 8GB? What is this, 2001?! :roll: Most of my games take more than that. I have hd movies larger than that. FAIL. Nintendo, why must you always be 10 years behind technology wise? Seriously, just give up on home consoles, and stick to handhelds. :P

SAF64WII
SAF64WII

I don't care... I love Nintendo! they will make me happy anyway :P

Wish01
Wish01

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lock445
lock445

Thumbs up this comment if you think that if Nintendo is just going to use the memory for game saves, and not for saving movies/DLC/etc., this amount of memory is just fine.

halosqrrl
halosqrrl

i find this hard to believe but if this were true nintendo is doomed

Slash_out
Slash_out

Geez that would be idiotic. A hdd is cheaper than flash memory. They could give us a HDD 10 to 20 times bigger for the same price... It wouldn't be anything crazy but still better than 8 go... I mean come on...

Phil-teh-Pirate
Phil-teh-Pirate

Wow E3 is only a month and a bit away? Where has the year gone?

King-gamer
King-gamer

If it doesn't have a Hard Drive, then it's going to be incredibly stupid and give hackers more reason to hack and make it compatible with a external hard drive, which of course, equals more piracy. Also if such is the case, I may hold off on buying this console until they release the WiiRemember. The newly redesigned model with the ability to remember more than 8GB. Computers these days can easily go up to 1TB, Nintendo should update and AT LEAST give us a quarter of that, like 250 GB. Or they can do what Sony and microsoft does, Make a cheaper model with only 8GB and those of us who want more memory can buy a more expensive one with a 250GB HDD.

Valen_Ca
Valen_Ca

This honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least, but to be honest I don't see why they would do it, especially seeing as the system is rumoured to be about the size of the original Xbox 360. To be honest though I am actually a bit more annoyed at the 25GB per disc thing, there are a lot of PS3 games that fill that easily, hopefully that number is just per disc layer with a reader capable of supporting multiple layers. @steelmouth Sony isn't preventing Microsoft or Nintendo from liscencing the tech, in fact Sony at one point offered to help Microsoft get Blu-Ray into the 360 so that isn't even an issue. As for Nintendo, well it never uses standard formats, even the Wii doesn't use a standard DVD which is why it can't play DVD movies natively, so this new console will probably use a Blu-Ray like storage medium with slight alterations made so that it doesn't have to pay royalty fees to anyone.

TRSSaiful
TRSSaiful

It hard to believe if next wii will have 8gb flash, even smaller device like iphone have 16gb.

WeWerePirates
WeWerePirates

Bad play if true. Then again until Nintendo has users have an ID so their content isn't locked to just one console they will have few heavy purchasers.

white539
white539

Short sighted and stupid, if that is the case.

kavadias1981
kavadias1981

If Nintendo is still planning on "winning back" the core gamer, this isn't the way to do it. Most core are wary of shelling out for another potential dust collector so if this rumour turns out to be true then they are most certainly not on their way to succeeding in their plan. On the other hand, having a hefty hard drive on a Ninty console would be pointless since the majority of third party developers won't support Nintendo consoles with high profile releases and DLC, so it's not like the HDD space would ever be used effectively.

Dekanis
Dekanis

If nintendo wants to make this work out for the better, all they would have to do, is offer the 8GB, and for the people who need more storage, either offer a storage device that connects to the console, or allow external hard drives to be connected. If they did the latter, they wouldn't need to produce any extra storage , just the ability , but it would still be good that people get to increase their storage space, if they do make their own storage device they could include online shop points (the next console version of wii points) with the purchase to add value.

steelmouth
steelmouth

". . .. will also have a proprietary format capable of storing up to 25GB per disc, rather than using the Blu-ray format" in the long run sony will lose out on easy money if the dont allow the wii and 360 to use blu ray and pay some kinda royality, if they all develop and use thier own disk formats some 1 gon lose or they will all make less money but eventually the developers will prefer one format over the other then the problems will start

cubachino
cubachino

If in fact this is true I would speculate that they would offer attachable ones that would fit different needs for an individual kind of like Microsoft does, and therefor keep cost for the console low.