WB defends Batman: Arkham Origins

Creative director says "people have the right to be cynical," but believes gamers will be convinced when they try the game out.

Batman: Arkham Origins is the first entry in the series developed outside of Rocksteady Studios, leading some to be skeptical about the project.

The creative director at WB Games Montreal, Eric Holmes, acknowledged this skepticism in a new interview, but said gamers will believe in the title once they get to play it.

"I would say that people have the right to be cynical; they have the option to be cynical," Holmes told GameSpot. "Come and play the game at one of these events where we bring the game. And I think as soon as you've got the pad in your hand, you're going to see that this game is authentic and uses the same underpinnings and core mechanics of the previous Arkham games."

Adding value to Arkham Origins, Holmes said, is the game's new tactical features, another facet of the project he believes consumers will be drawn to.

Above all else, though, Holmes said he believes the story in Arkham Origins--which he wouldn't share details about--is the game's main draw.

"And I think we have a great story…I can't tell you too much about…but I can tell you I'm really excited about our story," Holmes said. "I think it's a very important Batman story and I think fans are going to love that probably more than any other thing in the game."

Rocksteady previously said it is confident that WB Games Montreal will make a "fantastic" Batman game in Arkham Origins. Rocksteady is rumored to be at work on a stylized Batman prequel due in 2014 at the earliest.

Batman: Arkham Origins launches October 25 for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, PC, and Wii U. A 3DS game--Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate--will launch the same day for the 3DS and PlayStation Vita developed by a group of former Metroid Prime developers at Armature Studios.

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josh7845
josh7845

How does he have the grappel upgrade if this is set YEARS before the original? I call bullshit! 

In all seriousness, it does look pretty good from what I've seen so far and Black Mask is a villain I haven't seen much of personally so it'll be good to see what goes on with him. 

super_voltron
super_voltron

I like how he says we have a right to be skeptical now because of that I'm going to give it a chance.

stev69
stev69

Kinda skeptical, but im happy to give them the benefit of the doubt, RS have essentially given them the creation kit and said here ya go knock yourself out. They would have to try really hard to fuck it up. 

Sure i'm disappointed Hamil has retired as his joker was very distinctive, Conroy not really fussed about, it was a typical batman voice nothing special. I'm happy for the Arkham IP to continue.

Gargus
Gargus

Im not going to judge it just yet but to me it looks like a game that will be 90% just like the other game with a little bit of new stuff in it but at the end of the game none of it will be good as the originals because the original creators aren't doing it, its someone new trying to copy their style.

Not to mention I hate prequels. They were a really cool idea when they first started coming out. But everything now has a damn prequel to it. Movies, comics, books, tv shows, video games, everything has prequels and origin stories. Id rather have new content instead of just going backwards and trying to explain something that didn't need explaining to begin with.

alpha_unit97
alpha_unit97

"No Kevin Conroy, it looks too similar to Arkham City, Rocksteady's not developing it, wah wah wah!"  Honestly, people are complaining about this for the most stupid reasons. If it was any more different from its predecessors you'd be bitching even more, and who the hell cares about voice actors, it should be more about the gameplay than anything.

nightmarecast
nightmarecast

I am already on board for this game, I need more Batmans!

kazama99
kazama99

I am going to wait on buying on release and see what happens.... Let someone else taste the wine, to see if its poison or not.. =P

TheGreyArea
TheGreyArea

sorry, negative comment, but so far, what I've seen of gameplay, and the absence of key voice-cast, this installment looks greatly inferior when measured against it's staggeringly great predecessors 

Ranma_X_basic
Ranma_X_basic

it doesn't bother me if the game is not made by rockstready. i still plan on buying it because i have no doubt it'll be damn good. heck getting to fight (and play as) Deathstroke is enough of a reason to purchase the game. plus there's a batman game for handhelds as well.

zac28
zac28

I honestly thought Arkham City sucked. Everything about it is so boring. I DL'd it and every now and then I think "Alright, I'll give it another chance", but have been disappointed every time. I played the demo for Arkham Asylum and I think that would have been more fun.

One of those games which is universally loved but I think sucks I guess. Like 'Left 4 Dead 2'.

tightwad34
tightwad34

Well, thanks for letting me know I can be cynical and therefore voice my opinion. Anyway, all I will say is I really hope it's not more of the same old, same old.

bonander
bonander

I was worried at first.  But when Rocksteady gave their support to the game, my worries went away.

bloody-hell
bloody-hell

I'm not really worried about the game itself - If they keep the combat system and the free roam approach to missions then it's already a pretty good, fun game.

What I'm worried about is the DRM and if they're going to require G4WL again.

This was pretty much the only reason why I still haven't bought either Arkham Asylum and Arkham City - Games for Windows Live - get rid of it and you can have my money, it's that easy.

Al_Capwn
Al_Capwn

I'm not seeing the problem here. So there's no Kevin Conroy. Not the end of the world. I've got faith this'll be a good game. Hopefully there'll be a demo

abhirajgoldy
abhirajgoldy

i dont know about this one,but i was more interested in the sequel of Arkham city, i am having the feeling that this will  not surpass Arkham city in any way

kisado87
kisado87

Other than being mechanically identical to Arkham City, no Conroy - what's to bitch about?

lorider25
lorider25

People have a problem with Batman? That's a first.

dr_jashugan
dr_jashugan

I wonder, why should people be cynical about a game that's NOT even out yet? :-o

555671ari
555671ari

I  can't think of a better game to end the current generation's superhero run! =]

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

Hey WB, until you give an explanation of why you took the game away from the original devs and have messed up voice acting, an explanation that doesn't involve cutting costs, I will continue to be cynical.

vongroove
vongroove

If there is no Kevin Conroy or Mark Hamill forget it!

edpeterson
edpeterson

Didn't these people work on the port of Arkham City for the Wii U? So really the only thing we would actually be concerned about is the story and playing a demo isn't exactly going to fix that concern. However, that being said I'm looking forward to the game! I'm not a super huge batman nerd so if they totally mess up some "continuity" stuff I doubt I'll be upset. Looks like fun, and I'm not concerned at all! 

The only thing I would have liked is that it was more like Arkham Asylum with an environment that feels awesome, instead of Arkham City which I thought had an environment that felt too empty and bland (at least the city parts). But hey, that's me and Arkham City was still a great game!

hadlee73
hadlee73

If there are Riddler trophies please don't increase the amount to 10,000 lol

Morbissus
Morbissus

I remember when people were just happy to have a good Batman game... 

The_Last_Paladi
The_Last_Paladi

Wow, I didn't know a lot of people was upset about the game.  I'm personally looking forward to it.  If I had a gripe about anything, it would be at how fast this prequel came out, but after seeing the game I think I'll be happy with it...

BromeisterBrosk
BromeisterBrosk

Wait people are upset about this game coming out? I can't fucking wait for this... Even if it's the exact game gameplay of Arkham City, there's nothing really wrong with that. I still replay that game

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

Gameplay wise, I'm really not expecting this game to be much different from previous Arkham games. And that's a good thing.

I'd just like to know why there's such a desire for prequels. By the time Rocksteady is done and the VITA game is out, 3/5s of this series will be prequels and sequels to prequels.

LS-Chaos
LS-Chaos

I can't get excited about it, it looks exactly the same to me. Took me awhile to get into Arkham City though, and it's gameplay videos didn't help me, so he's probably right! I won't know for sure till I get my hands on it.

Deadpool-n
Deadpool-n

I just wish the combat moves changed. It looks more like dlc so far. I mean I'm sure I'll enjoy it but it doesn't look any different than previous games.

VictorDJ10
VictorDJ10

Ugh, gamers bitch over the most ridiculous crap. "wah no Rocksteady for this Arkham game!" You do realize that this is in fact an Arkham game right? So the hell what if Rocksteady aren't developing or if it looks like Arkham City, Arkham 4 will obviously be next-gen. And does it matter if it looks like City? Would you have rather they tear it down from the ground up and risk screwing something up? You guys do understand this is a prequel right? I'm certain most of the complainers never contemplated that this could very well be the last current gen Arkham game hence using the same engine, but let's forget taking other matters into effect and go straight to complaining.

TOBIAS_SAIBOT
TOBIAS_SAIBOT

@josh7845 It would have been a mistake if the grapnel boost wasn't included. It may be a prequel and therefore might not make sense, but in a subsequent action adventure game you want your character to feel better than before.  

Beerminator1
Beerminator1

@zac28 - Arkham City is the best game ever made for this gen's consoles (and maybe the best game ever on PC), if you honestly don't like it then you have a really shitty taste in games...

kazama99
kazama99

@bonander Rocksteady giving their support doesn't mean much to me. Its just one of those things in our society we do to wish another well on their journeys in life. Such as when a loved baseball player leaves a team and gives his regards to the team, telling them they can still win without him. Or when Steve Carrel left "The Office" and saying that the show could still go on strong without him because the cast was good enough to keep it afloat.

adrian_leo
adrian_leo

@bloody-hell Unlikely that it will come to GWL, as Microsoft has stated it will take a step back regarding it. Most likely it will be on Steam, or disc-based with Steam key, or just simple DVD with online activation, etc.

Then again I could be wrong.

Lambchopzin
Lambchopzin

@Thanatos2k Because Rocksteady is already working on a different game? It says it right in the article.

Unholy123
Unholy123

@vongroove In fairness I'm pretty sure Hamill said he was done doing joker unless they made the killing joke into a movie then he would do that one.

josh7845
josh7845

@edpeterson I don't think that'll happen. The games have their own continuity. Since it's a very recent continuity, they can probably get away with a lot without causing offence. 

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

@Deadpool-n From what we saw of the E3 stage demo, I think there are some new combo moves in there if that's what you mean. Changing anything else would be disastrous in my opinion. 

Gamemaster_94
Gamemaster_94

@VictorDJ10 Hahaha, I have to admit, I was one of the people who were kinda scared that another company was going to develop this game. Usually that is what happens; another company makes the same game and completely ruins it! But judging from the gameplay videos I've seen, I do agree with what you're saying. :D Let this be the best Batman Arkham game ever!

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

@Beerminator1 @zac28 The Best Game Ever made on PC?  What are you, 12?


Better Than:


Half-Life Half-Life 2  System Shock  System Shock 2  Civilization  Command & Conquer  Mechwarrior 2  INterstate 76  Crysis  Crysis Warhead  Escape From Monkey Island  Age Of Empires  Rome: Total War  Total Annihilation  Syndicate  Doom  Doom 2  Doom 3  Neverwinter Nights  Lord Of The Rings: Battle For Middle Earth  Star Trek: Elite Force  The Journeyman Project  X-Wing   Tie Fighter  Full Throttle  Sam And Mad Hit The Road  Grim Fandango  Quake  Star Control 2  King's Quest  Wasteland  Baldur's Gate  Baldur's Gate II  Daggerfall  Morrowind  Deus Ex

Etc, Etc, Etc.

Grow Up.


deskp
deskp

@Beerminator1 @zac28  To not like one good game doesen't mean he have shitty taste in game.

But I also think arkham asylum is one of the best games this gen.


Maybe zac28 should have played arkham asylum first to get into it.

OHGFawx
OHGFawx

@Thanatos2k @Lambchopzin 

and they already explained the voices too. They needed younger sounding actors, and admitted that they are just as big of fans of Conroy and Hamill as we are. Sounds like people who played the demo at E3 gave a very positive reaction to the new voices, so I'm not worried about it.

vongroove
vongroove

@Unholy123 @vongroove Maybe Hamill is preparing for Star Wars Episode 7?  That's why he might not want to do it? But no Conroy? I can't see him saying no thanks not this year...

highlanderjimd
highlanderjimd

@TheWatcher000 console gamers are very limited in their views of "best game ever" or even just good games. They will not have heard of most of the gimes on this list either. 


DoctorOmar1991
DoctorOmar1991

@deskp @Beerminator1 @zac28 
I've Played both Arkham Asylum and City and to be honest , Arkham city is one of the best game that I've ever played .. I hope the this one is as great as it's previous .. But everybody has he's own taste in games .

solid_winston
solid_winston

@vongroove @Unholy123 Star Wars 7 could be possible. But Conroy is busy doing voice acting for the Rock Steady sequel to Arkham City. This games basically a side story. And the new Batman (Roger Craig Smith, voice of Ezio and Chris Redfield) sounds surprisingly excellent.  The new joker does a great Hamill impression as well. I'm excited