Vista's shipping out

New Windows operating system goes on sale worldwide after years of delays; allows PC gamers to connect to Xbox Live.

Microsoft's latest operating system, Windows Vista, has launched worldwide today. The new OS brings with it DirectX 10, a new graphics application programming process, which claims to provide better performance for some effects--including rippling water, smoke, and lightning.

First-person shooter Crysis, developed by Crytek--the German team that also worked on Far Cry--will be one of the first games to use DirectX 10. Other titles include Flight Simulator X and Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures.

Other gaming-related bonuses that Microsoft is touting include the built-in game explorer start menu feature, which brings together games and saved game data. It also allows parents to apply parental controls, choosing from a variety of games rating systems, including the ESRB, CERO, and PEGI.

Another feature of the new OS will be cross-platform functionality, meaning that gamers can use their Xbox 360 controllers with their PCs to play Vista games and play online games across PC and 360 platforms. Vista users will also be able to connect to Xbox Live.

There will also be a new logo for "Games for Windows" on game packaging. To qualify, games must meet a set of guidelines--including easy install; compatibility with the Xbox 360 controller; Vista compatibility; and support for widescreen resolution, multicore, and multithreading.

However, criticism for Vista's gaming features has already emerged, with some concerns raised over how the tighter security controls will impact independent game manufacturers who want to make a Vista game. Users who wish to download a game from the Internet will receive a series of warning pop-ups and require an administrator's password to do the installation. Some companies have expressed worries that this will put consumers off from downloading casual games from their sites.

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268 comments
dg3215
dg3215

VISTA STILL SUCKS

jediclone66
jediclone66

yep vista is the future it will be good for dx10, mine is coming in the mail

acummuta
acummuta

For the person with the Toshiba only Vista ability. I have a Sony VAIO, and I use Vista. Vista is not 'brand' specific. It's specs specific.

acummuta
acummuta

Oh, and it works great with my 360 too (the Windows Media Center). I can watch movies and listen to music on my 94" screen in my living room through my 360 from my laptop. HD Gamespot reviews were never so fun to watch :)

acummuta
acummuta

Just wanted to let all of you out there know that I, someone in the real world, own Vista. I have the Vista Ultimate Edition, and while its not perfect, its good enough to do anything I do with a computer. Surf the web. Use MS Office. Play games. Yep. It all works fine for me. I've played Half Life 2, WOW, LOTR Online beta. All fine with no crashes. I did an 'upgrade' on my computer. So it wasn't super easy to find drivers right away because I bought a copy opening day. But now everything with my manufacturer has caught up and I'm doing fine. So, just wanted to let people out there know. I have Vista, I like it, it looks nice, it DOESN'T SLOW MY COMPUTER DOWN. And I have no regrets about getting. Vista is the future anyways. You can wait if you're concerned, but I just wanted to let you know a GOOD REPORT.

90420
90420

"Light_Destroyer Why are they allowing the PC to connect to Xbox Live. I can't imagine a PC user that would event think about doing that since they all think consoles are stupid." Yep, thats right. *puts down the ps2 controller* Where are you getting your facts bud? I for one like having a variety of games on a variety of platforms. Choice rules.

wdtxtihkal
wdtxtihkal

Game looks fun, let's hope it actually is!

edgarchong
edgarchong

I believe for that you should all try and read Grimbee's comment and stop being so narrowminded, so if you don

LessisSolono
LessisSolono

damn i cant get vista.. oh what the hell its going to be the same Your ignorance is stupifying.

Alcotamaysees
Alcotamaysees

vista will be hard to ignore when crisis comes out. But for now, 250$ isn't even close to being worth it for me.

y2josh19
y2josh19

"Anyone with half a brain knows not to get a MS OS for at least a year after release because of the bugs. Remember pre-SP1 XP, or the first edition of 98? Yeah, that's what you people are spendig $250 to get. Have fun. " So dual boot if you're scared of a new OS. Criticizing people for having the testicular fortitude to try something that's new is stupid. Do some homework and simply make sure your hardware is compatible...it's not hard.

speed1
speed1

"You have to have the right operating system to run this and Toshiba's are the only type of laptop that can take the vista operating system" Now this just makes no sense. There are plenty of laptops out there that can run Vista.

Sniper333
Sniper333

Vista im sure is amazing as XP was to 98. But there are not enough video cards out yet. Drivers, Bugs, etc. As its been said. I will wait till there is a nice selection of video cards out and a few updates released before i touch it. Late summer or early winter maybe. It wold be nice if there was real competition for MS. I hate that I have to use a product simply because I have no other choice. Crysis makes it tempting though.

chaoscougar1
chaoscougar1

wow, cross platform online gaming, oh no, owned by keyboards

sangoanuta
sangoanuta

everything microsoft does it's crap. ok, so why dont you use..... ??? instead of DX10. Microsoft is leading games now.

elementfx
elementfx

I already have 10 copies, I love the microsoft partner program...

kholdstareo1
kholdstareo1

i want vista, but im gonna wait for abit, because some of the features they have on there are frankly quite scary

Mechakucha
Mechakucha

Yeah I've been running RC2 for a while too. That's how I know not to drop money on it until something like Crysis or better comes out and DX10 cards get cheaper.

CaribouLou5
CaribouLou5

You guys can talk trash about why Vista is bad or buggy or this and that, but I have been running Vista for months now and it's very impressive. ATi released new drivers yesterday and they really help, as their beta drivers were lacking in stability. The GUI is fantastic, I am well familiar with OSX and in terms of looks, Vista blows it out of the water. The see-through windows and 3D switch features are very cool too. Also, just the way the folders are layed out is different, and once you get used to it, better. As for the 360 controller, it was fully compatible with XP too, and you could even use it as a mouse if you know where to find the right software, but it's cool that MS is insisting developers make it fully compatible. That helps alot for sports games and racing games. The only problem I have is that many programs [pretty much just games] are incompatible with vista or they won't recognize the correct version of DX, preventing them from running. I am sure that now that Vista is out, that problem will not be an issue very soon. It's just too bad I will probably soon have to replace a 9 month old, $650 video card to upgrade to DX10 for Crysis!

Mechakucha
Mechakucha

Anyone with half a brain knows not to get a MS OS for at least a year after release because of the bugs. Remember pre-SP1 XP, or the first edition of 98? Yeah, that's what you people are spendig $250 to get. Have fun.

Jerthereader
Jerthereader

I'll wait until they fix the bugs, and I can afford a new PC to boot.

y2josh19
y2josh19

"You have to have the right operating system to run this and Toshiba's are the only type of laptop that can take the vista operating system. " That just doesn't make sense and is a rediculous comment. Here are the reqirements for Vista. If you don't have at least these then you deserve to stay at Windows 2000. 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 512 MB of system memory 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space (4 GB to install) Support for DirectX 9 graphics and 32 MB of graphics memory DVD-ROM drive

DanC1989
DanC1989

I'll wait until I get my new PC, thanks >.>

Nico4
Nico4

Are there Achivements in Windows Vista? I remember hearing about that before

yayoyayo
yayoyayo

damn i cant get vista.. oh what the hell its going to be the same

The-Jaxter
The-Jaxter

You have to have the right operating system to run this and Toshiba's are the only type of laptop that can take the vista operating system.

y2josh19
y2josh19

Windows only holds an 80% market share for operating systems...it's just a small chunk. Virus writters aren't going to target OSX when it only has 4% of the market.

hoverboy
hoverboy

@enoslives7 "...microsoft is well on its way to the graveyard..." Wow, a quote all the way from 1997! Neato!

anamnawshad
anamnawshad

Nice features but I'm not getting Vista anytime soon....

devilnevercry9
devilnevercry9

sound great and complicate download process, but security is go first

Matti9845
Matti9845

eno u say that the trouble is the zune is better than the ipod msn is better than google and windows is whey better than osx. Its just a majority of the electronics industry are dumb!

enoslives7
enoslives7

Eveything microsoft makes is crap....the zune is gettings its butt kicked by the Ipod, Google is whipping msn, and Mac'sOSX is far superior to windows. microsoft is well on its way to the graveyard

Merl57
Merl57

yeah screw vista. Everyone can tell its just too compete with Mac's image. I'm not wasting 250bucks so I can get direct X 10. Honestly I'd rather have a machine that works.

Ondoval
Ondoval

Vista don't support EAX , Dolby and another audio surround systems, which changes the 90% of games into a nerfed steron experience. Vista/DX10 lose against XP/DX9 in DX9 games, even with his better optimization. To be hones, I can´t see reasons to change to Vista: expensive OS, unnecessary to play Crysis, UT III, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Hellegate or Bioshock, all of them will be played very well on XP, and with better audio...

quietguy
quietguy

I'm already there w4ster. *whips out mouse & keyboard* Spyware on 360 anyone?

GFofgaming
GFofgaming

I am getting a Vista fully loaded Alienware on Feb 15th, BRING IT BABY!!

nanometric
nanometric

@darkDemyze Vista will only stop piracy and viruses only for a while, after that the gates will be open and there is no stoping hackers! anything that was made by one man, can be destroyed by another, the sad thruth is- nothing is invicible, even Billy with his Vista!

gerardinsito
gerardinsito

Now I will destroy every single 360 muaja muaja

w4ster
w4ster

So PC gamers can play against 360 players? Don't think that this would be a good idea on FPS games. As PC players will destroy 360 users.

Light_Destroyer
Light_Destroyer

Why are they allowing the PC to connect to Xbox Live. I can't imagine a PC user that would event think about doing that since they all think consoles are stupid. Microsoft should just let them keep spending their thousands of dollars constantly upgrading an unstable piece of crap just so they can see the new character skin patch that was released.

darkDemyze
darkDemyze

I love the words used by GrimBee, "You can't please everyone." There are so many things that you can say about what Apple has as opposed to Microsoft but so many seem to miss the point that Grim makes. Personally I like what Microsoft is trying to do by centralizing the gaming aspect into one area and locking it down as such. It helps create a more seamless experience for all gamers, both PC and 360 gamers alike. Even though PC has done better in recent days, it seems to have been on the decline on the broad spectrum. And from what I have gathered, much of this is thanks to piracy. Small developers are afraid to make anything on the PC and then not be able to recoup cost because of too much piracy, it is just too easy to obtain warez. Of course there are validation services as provided by such companies like Valve, but even then it's still possible to get past validation. Hopefully with Vista Microsoft, with their new gaming frontier, will be able to regain some game company's trust in the PC platform. But it would be a shame if it were bogged down by annoyances mentioned in the article.

GrimBee
GrimBee

"Some companies have expressed worries that this will put consumers off from downloading casual games from their sites." The thing is, it is a GOOD thing. For companies anyways... you see, it doesnt matter how much MILLIONS they put into anti-piracy of pc games, they will always be hacked. It even gets to the point where you could illegally download a game, with no problems DAYS before even the game came out! Piracy on the PC is insane in comparison to consoles because things run from a HARDDRIVE on a PC, consoles need discs and disc hacks and what have yous. Vista will crack down on the piracy by applying updates and such. For example, you cannot use the 360 to stream PC content because of microsofts new updating system, genuine advantage. Even though the possibility could arrise where someone would hack THAT and start messing you up, in the long run, this basically turns PC's into consoles. Which is great for gamers, not so great for hackers. If you look at PC's the world is not very clear, www. this, .exe that... .dll... now that is a frustrating one. Vista is simply nudging investors into Microsoft, to take the heat away from apple. Apple has a seriously nifty OS under its belt, this is how it literally has become an industry standard in most professions. My work sometimes gets me doing all sorts of things, recently I have been extensively using Final Cut Pro with a proffessional editor, its AWESOME watching her work. There she is, cutting away and I just sit there for days and tell her what I need and stuff. I can use Final Cut pretty well, but she can use it without a mouse, which is incredible. Avid is the next one then, for studios stuck in their ways (lol), infact avid is the best for that kind of stuff. But I have cut things on final cut pro, and it is AWESOME. So much so that the industry recognizes it, and has it in studios. New Line Cinema have recently started to back these, too. You wont see XP or anything running stuff like this, because the Apple setup (A massive room with two G5's in it with 4 widescreen monitors... bliss...) is very simple to use, and the way the movie industry works - you need to have a liscenced and trained technician for one seperate thing. When something goes wrong with XP, it could be a number of things. But with apple one technician comes out because the computer is built to spec, not from Dell or anything like that. When you have a computer built to do EVERYTHING, on a whole manner of bish-bosh components, you can run into all sorts of problems. What Vista tries to do is slap in some Apple simplicity and convenience, and also keep the free-grounds for the casual user. You can guarantee that hacked software will have a hard time on Vista, but when you go to the legal route, nice hardware and don't vut any corners - vista should be perfect. I do not wish to put vista on my PC for work. I use Reason and mainly WORD on my pc, with a few games. When I get home properly I will upgrade my pc there (gaming pc) because vista seems perfect for it, especially with the 360 support. At the moment Vista is neither here nor there, it hasnt clamped down on anything like apple has. It is half XP, and half osx. You are going to get a lot of criticism from those who use XP however they want, and then from those who want Apple simplicity. Until Microsoft knows exactly where vista is going, criticism will be abound. Example, I cannot see vista running anything like final cut for businesses and studios (its apple owned anyways, but I hardly see any equivalent even trying) because vista is an every-mans OS. When you are aiming at such a large and varied audience like vista is, you are definately going to get some dissgruntled peeps. You can't please everyone.

InFaMoUsInTeNsE
InFaMoUsInTeNsE

I feel sorry for people who think XP is better to use and is somehow more secure because its older and based on a system that hackers are familiar with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is secure if you know how to use it right, Don't browse dodgy websites and you won't have a problem. A New OS is a playground for hackers to mess arround in to find something to exploit before MS has a chance to release a patch or fix. Vista is new, there are bound to be loads of problems and security issues yet to be fixed. And theres no immediate reason to upgrade if your current computer runs fine. Sure it looks better but is it really better RIGHT NOW?

nevereathim
nevereathim

I'll wait at least 6 months to buy this

cjcr_alexandru
cjcr_alexandru

If you want performance (as I do), don't upgrade to Vista for now. As for security... that's another story.

nanometric
nanometric

Another try from M$ for world domination! :D You go Bill, add another zero to you account balance!

iDIVIDEBYZER0
iDIVIDEBYZER0

I feel sorry for people who think XP is better to use and is somehow more secure because its older and based on a system that hackers are familiar with. Have fun with your spyware and viruses made for exploits in XP. People either have short memories or they simply never learn, Windows 98 was the same deal. 98 froze constantly and was incredibly insecure, compared to 98 the first release of XP was like a safe.