Vista gaming gets Bay view

Microsoft Game Studios exec Rich Wickham talks PC gaming strategy at San Francisco press event.

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SAN FRANCISCO--Microsoft's Games for Windows division chose a clear but chilly San Francisco afternoon to hold a press event for its upcoming operating system, Windows Vista. Games for Windows director Rich Wickham opened the event with a brief address to cover the "most important points" for Vista's game-related features.

First, Wickham reminded his captive audience that the operating system itself will include numerous interface features to accommodate games. He noted the built-in "games explorer" start menu feature, which will help catalog saved game data and include enhanced and built-in parental controls. He commented on the controls, saying they will not only let concerned parents lock out games with mature content, but also help PC owners who share their computers with others maintain their game settings (rather than have them constantly switched by other people).

Vista helps bring the World in Conflict to a high-definition monitor near you.

Second, Wickham discussed the importance of DirectX, not just because Vista will usher in Direct3D 10--which will allow for impressive graphics in games such as Crysis and Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures--but also because Vista uses DirectX 9 for such applications as its 3D "Aero" desktop, a fact that should "hopefully open up application development in the future."

Next, Wickham reiterated that both versions of Vista--Premium and Ultimate--will ship with Windows Media Center software included. While Vista Premium will perhaps provide enough flexibility for average end users, Vista Ultimate will feature more functionality for "core users."

In addition, Vista will offer enhanced online play with Microsoft's upcoming Live for Windows functionality, which will not only encourage wireless online play, but also let players play games such as Shadowrun and UNO across platforms; that is, Xbox 360 players will be able to play multiplayer matches of cross-platform-enabled games with PC players.

Wickham also reminded the audience of Microsoft's plans to standardize control schemes and accessories by using the wireless USB adapter peripheral to use Xbox 360 controllers (such as the standard controller, the headset, and the driving wheel) on Vista PCs, suggesting that the lack of standardized controllers may have "led to some games going away on the PC platform," such as racing games.

Wickham also mentioned the company's continued efforts to work with manufacturers on gaming mice and keyboards to offer a variety of controller choices to PC game players. Finally, the director reaffirmed Microsoft's commitment to "fix what's wrong with the PC [game] space from a retail perspective" by adding prominently branded Games for Windows displays for PC games in 9,000 retail locations this year--1,000 of which will be "interactive" and let players actually step up and try out games--as well as by enhancing the general ease of use of computer games by adding drop-and-play functionality (the ability to place a new game CD in your computer's drive and begin playing immediately, rather than having to wait for a lengthy installation process)..."this year."

After Wickham's informal address, the press was cut loose to take in demonstrations of some of Vista's marquee PC games. Both Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures and Crysis were on display in all their Direct3D 10-powered glory, showing off the more-complex lighting and shadows that will be possible with the new graphical programming interface and DX10 hardware.

Also on display were Shadowrun, the upcoming PC/Xbox 360 shooter that will pit sorcery against technology (and PC game players against Xbox 360 players); the recently finished Supreme Commander, the large-scale sci-fi real-time strategy heir to designer Chris Taylor's acclaimed game Total Annihilation; Hellgate: London, the first-person hack-and-slash successor to Diablo; and World in Conflict, a team-based multiplayer real-time strategy game from Massive Entertainment (not the in-game advertising specialist, but rather the Sweden-based developer of the Ground Control tactical strategy series).

Also on display were an array of Microsoft's "casual games," including Xbox Live favorite UNO, which will be coming to Vista in some form later this year. UNO was running on a Vista PC with a prerelease version of Live for Windows that directly patched into a universal Xbox Live-style friends list, which appears to be browsable by gamertag as well as by what platform each user is using. The Vista version of UNO will also apparently let players set up and run their own dedicated servers, setting passwords and specific house rules, much like PC game players currently do for other online multiplayer games.

In addition to showing off the games, Microsoft played host to a variety of hardware manufacturers, including chipmaker Nvidia, which showcased its latest graphics processing unit, the GeForce 8800 GTX. Also on hand were processor manufacturers Intel (with quad-core hardware) and AMD (which showed off its Quad FX dual-socket, dual-core system). Microsoft itself had its Habu gaming mouse and the Reclusa gaming keyboard--the fruits of a codevelopment project with the peripheral manufacturer Razer--on display.

Though much of what Microsoft showed at yesterday's event had already been on display previously at CES, the event itself was as much about outreach to the press as it was a reaffirmation of the company's renewed commitment to the PC as a gaming platform. That commitment was first discussed by Microsoft exec Peter Moore at last year's D.I.C.E. Summit.

The Windows Vista operating system is scheduled for worldwide release on January 30.

Discussion

84 comments
louis_smith
louis_smith

OHHH MAAAN THE BUGSSSS!!!! Remember when XP first came out, an how buggy it was.. Blah im not to excited..just like the PS3 and 360, ima wait a few months....

GyRo567
GyRo567

DRM. No drivers. (okay, very few) Excessive price tag. Perfectly working copy of XP. Microsoft can drag me kicking and screaming, but I'm dragging a shovel & dual booting XP in 2008/9 when I finally get a copy.

jakie91
jakie91

It doesn't matter if you get the Vista or not soon enough we will all get it, its not going away anytime soon. Anyway if we buy this products sooner the fast they will make new products which cost more, then the cycle starts again. They make product, we buy product, they have money to make new product, we buy new product, the cycle never ends. The sooner we buy this product, the soon they release a new product. Thats the business world.

rarson
rarson

"No one will migrate to MacOS X or Linux." While I'll accept the rest of your post as your opinion, the above statement is flat out wrong. First of all, I'm migrating. Second of all, I know several of my personal friends are also sick of Windows BS and have already migrated. Now, I know that's a very low number, but I've also talked to probably 20 or so people on various forums who agree and either already have or are planning to switch to Linux soon, so "no one" is incorrect. "Yes, Linux is good, yes, OSX is good, but it just so happens that Vista is better." Have you actually tried Vista yet? Have you read anything about it? Almost everything I've read about Vista in MaximumPC has been negative in some way. For me, the buck stops at the DRM integration. I don't want Windows disabling my TV connection because I'm not using the cables they want me to use. I'm not trying to convince anyone here, I'm just telling it like it is. For a long time, MS's OS's have been going downhill. Windows 95 was a nice improvement from 3.1. 98 was a decent improvement over 95, but mostly flash. Back then though, you could run a beta MS OS and not worry about bugs, let alone non-existant driver support (in fairness to MS though, that's because this time around they re-wrote the driver model). I was using 98 for about a year before it came out with no problems. Millenium was a joke, and XP brought some good changes to the table, but it's at the same point in it's life where every MS OS gets to after about 5 years: bloated, buggy, patched to hell, and in need of replacement. The sheer cost and feature set of Vista automatically rules it out as a candidate for a do-everything OS. It'll be handy to have for games, don't get me wrong. But when half your media is unplayable and you have to upgrade your entire home theater (including TV) just to get your MCPC to work, it might be time to dual-boot Linux. I suppose you guys right though, "average" intelligence is pretty damn low. Anyone too stupid not to spend 10 minutes figuring out how to run Linux deserves to pay $400 for MS crap. "I have serious doubts that for a long time many older games won't playable without the use of special programs, especially games created for Windows 98 or for even earlier versions." I agree. I had piles of old PC games that I went through recently and tried to replay on XP. I couldn't get any of them to work properly. Anyone remember Chronomaster? It's a DOS game, and I couldn't get the sound to work properly. The other games were either DOS or 95 games and they all gave me enough problems running to just forget them and toss them in the trash. Not a big deal, I haven't played any of those games in a long time. But I'm wondering how well XP games will work. It should be okay, since MS says it'll be backwards compatible with DirectX 9. But should there be problems, this will be a rather big deal since everyone still has and are still playing these games.

Minsk_bg
Minsk_bg

The thing that interest me most is how backward compatible Windows Vista wil be. I have serious doubts that for a long time many older games won't playable without the use of special programs, especially games created for Windows 98 or for even earlier versions. Not to mention the ancient DOS games... Though there is DOSBox for such oldies, but I would be appreciative if it was possible to play just about any game created for the PC platform: from the oldest to the newest, 'cause the date of a certain game doesn't bother me much, as long as it has something more than graphics to offer

n_gc6
n_gc6

lol, rarson, i laughed at your post. Yes, Linux is good, yes, OSX is good, but it just so happens that Vista is better. Its not M$ fault that you only used a Beta, a newly released piece of software designed not for the common user but for developers to make drivers for the OS, so that vista would be rdy when it was released.

indigoAK200
indigoAK200

Your comments prove you have little to no experience about Vista. Vista explains why an error occurs when it does and offers solutions based on user feedback. It also notifies you when you try to run a program that is known to have compatibility issues and will list to you the common solutions to those issues right there in the same dialog. I've used various distributions of Linux and all of them have the same issues. Lack of support for the things I use and the need to run the terminal to install certain pieces of hardware. And none of them have an interface that is as simple to use. When I run an OS, I don't want to mess command line utilities to get things done, I want a GUI program that's easy to use and offers minimal hassle. These two things are hard to find on Linux. I also want an OS that works with ALL of my games, which again, Linux can not provide natively. As for the remarks about Windows treating the user like an idiot; did you ever stop to think that maybe not everyone knows the same amount of information about a computer as you do? There are some people that need to have their hands held through the process of installing software or figuring out why an error occurred and anyone who's spent more than 30 seconds with Windows Vista will know that Vista is more than competent in this department. No one will migrate to MacOS X or Linux. Because there isn't a single common consumer that cares about Linux and MacOS X have to offer. What they care about is that their operating system is easy to use, runs their programs, let's them surf the web, and let's them play their games. Vista does this better than MacOS X and Linux. That's all there is to it. And it will be this way until Apple decides to open their OS up to new platforms or Linux decides that maybe Microsoft has a point when they say that command line functions are best left hidden to the common consumer.

SpaceAlex
SpaceAlex

rarson, you are so full of **** The problem's that you've been having with your games are either developer's fault , bad hardware, or crap on your PC that you need to clean. It has little to do with MS. If you think MS should make sure you don't get that crap on your PC, then you seem to be forgetting that millions of people are using Windows, while MAC and Linux are only used by a couple of thousands. It is no wonder that an OS used by majority of people will also be the primary target for hackers who make viruses, trojans, adds... which then automaticly install on your PC, if you don't have a good AV, and your games run like **** Then you come here saying, windows sucks, mac and linux rules. And the fact that you have to type serial numbers in order to install most games, again has nothing to do with MS, but the game's publisher. And it's not really that much work..if you can't deal with it, i'm surprised you like linux. :P But go ahead, enjoy your MAC and linux, while i enjoy playing games and doing all those stuff that you can do with a MAC and linux on my PC.

rarson
rarson

The biggest problem with MS's OS's are that they dumb everything down for the user. Which isn't a bad thing, but the OS TREATS YOU LIKE AN IDIOT. They try to start thinking for you, and it ends up not doing what you want it to. Take a dialog box that pops up. Any random message, error message or whatever. If you look at the equivalent message on OSX, the prompts make 10 times more sense. A typical MS dialog box will say something like "An error has occurred, do you want to continue? Yes/No" whereas the Apple dialog box will explain the problem and instead of asking a yes or no question will give you actual options. I spent a few weeks using OSX at my brother-in-law's house and I came to appreciate how much more intelligent the OS is. It makes Windows look incredibly sloppy in comparison.

rarson
rarson

"I've been running and testing Vista since the very first Longhorn release. Haven't had a single stop screen or crash. I have working and stable drivers for all of my hardware and all of my programs run without a hitch." Ha! You must be the only one. Seriously, I tried a Longhorn beta about a year ago and it was F#CKED. Half the hardware didn't have compatible drivers. I couldn't even connect to the internet because there were NO network device drivers. I'm sure the driver issue is fixed now, but the fact is Vista is "broken" by the sheer retardedness of 90% of it's "features." "People won't migrate. Why? Because the average consumer doesn't care about MacOS or Linux. Hell, I'm a knowledgeable user and even I don't care about MacOS or Linux." That's because you and the average user both apparently have no need to have a full-featured OS with decent apps that lets you do what you want with it. If you're happy with being ignorant, good for you. I can barely put up with XP anymore. Have fun paying $400 for a DRM-riddled OS. No thanks, I'd rather get something that does everything I want it to for free. "Linux is ugly and unfriendly to the common man." That's because the common man has no idea what Linux is and how it's run. That comment right there shows me you have zero experience using it. So obviously, you can't really make a reasonable judgement on it, since you've never used it. Linux essentially works just like Windows. Besides, there's multiple GUI's for it out there, so if you don't like the way it works, you just get a new one, for FREE. It's all free, that's why open source is becoming much more popular. "Geeks and tech wizards are not the majority, so stop spouting as if they are. The true majority in the computer world are those that just want something that's easy to use and doesn't come with a headache or $3,000 Mac. Which is Vista." Like I said, your perception of Linux isn't based on anything but your assumptions. A headache is attempting to install Linux 10 years ago and getting a command prompt telling you to setup your hardware. Nowadays, you can run the entire OS off a DVD to try it before you even install it. If you do decide to install it, then you just click the icon on the desktop. It's that simple, no more headache. You can argue that Vista will be good enough for most users and that MS will get plenty of copies out there on OEM machines, but anyone that is reasonably competent with their hardware and knows all about Vista is going to run away from that steaming pile of horse manure. The average person doesn't want Linux because they have no idea what it is or that it even exists. If you told someone they could get a less buggy, more stable, and more capable OS for FREE they'd jump on that before paying out the ass for MS software.

thestrateger
thestrateger

i like the level of the graphic in windows vista :)

indigoAK200
indigoAK200

Vista is broken? This is news to me. I've been running and testing Vista since the very first Longhorn release. Haven't had a single stop screen or crash. I have working and stable drivers for all of my hardware and all of my programs run without a hitch. The same thing was true for Windows XP, which I ran for nearly five years prior to first using WIndows Vista. People won't migrate. Why? Because the average consumer doesn't care about MacOS or Linux. Hell, I'm a knowledgeable user and even I don't care about MacOS or Linux. Linux and MacOS will never be direct competition for Vista because they're building their operating systems on philosophies that cater to the few or the one and not the many. Linux is a niche OS and it always will be. MacOS is a production OS (and a niche OS) and it always will be. Linux is ugly and unfriendly to the common man. MacOS may have snazzy effects and design, but it's cold and harsh, and just as unfriendly. Geeks and tech wizards are not the majority, so stop spouting as if they are. The true majority in the computer world are those that just want something that's easy to use and doesn't come with a headache or $3,000 Mac. Which is Vista.

cjcr_alexandru
cjcr_alexandru

I won't upgrade to Vista anytime soon. The drivers that aren't yet optimized is my primary reason.

Chief_Kuuni
Chief_Kuuni

vista sounds like it's gonna be pretty good for playing games on, can't wait to get it and a new computer:P

rarson
rarson

"I had the "drop-and-play" function on a old, old mac.. Seems to me that windows is behind, again " Yup. My prediction is that a LOT of users will migrate to other OS's this time around. The only people running Vista will be the users too stupid to know better. It's not just gaming stuff. In fact, gaming would be the only reason for me to own Vista. Everything else with the OS is just about broken in some way. For instance, Microsoft goes to all the trouble to invent this access privilege scheme to prevent malware from installing at the kernel level. So now, the user knows exactly what is installing where. But MS decides to reduce it down to a simple yes or no prompt, which is going to pop up EVERY time someone installs something. So What does this mean? The very people that need this the most (the people that can't be bothered to read EULAs and figure out what is actually being installed) are going to be the ones who instantly click "Yes" whenever the dialog pops up, without even reading the dialog box. Brilliant thinking. I hope none of you guys have media center PC's using component video or S/PDIF or any other non-HDCP connections hoping to upgrade to Vista, because Vista will disable any hardware that isn't connected with copy protection. I suppose they are trying to drive customers away.

rarson
rarson

"add all this to the fact that Vista has a reinstal cap on it and that it runs slower than XP?" No, they rescinded their install cap, you are now allowed to install it as many times as you need on whatever machine you want, as long as you've uninstalled it from the old machine first. And I doubt it could run slower than XP, they're finally reconstructing the OS. And you'll still be able to game in Vista using DX9, DX10 is not a requirement. However, to get all those fancy new features, you'll need a DX10 card, and right now, the only one out there is the 8800.

Caliban360
Caliban360

Lets see if vista is something to have then. I had the "drop-and-play" function on a old, old mac.. :P Seems to me that windows is behind, again :D UNO seems like a game to play hardcore on LAN's, setting up a password-protected server is awsome, can't think why anyone haven't thought of that before... What I'm most intrested in Vista is the support for quad and DX10. And, royalpierre, almost all games/ software have problems and bugs in the beginning it's just natural. I would recommend to stay away from vista untill atleast the summer...

Alcotamaysees
Alcotamaysees

Unless I really have to, I'll probably just stick with XP.

beckoflight
beckoflight

Ati .... why Ati isn't mentioned ??? ..... ok you willl se Ati's graphics card will be better & then we will talk !

socalref88
socalref88

Chrisdojo... the way it sounds, it will be using a 360 controller (or something similar) for those games, so everyone will be on equal playing field as far as control system goes. Because, yeah, it wouldn't be fair for a keyboard-mouse guy to go against a 360 guy because of the amount of control the keyboard-mouse gives you... even though, with practice, you can be just as good at the 360 as the mouse...

AntWrig
AntWrig

I am tired of hearing about "Toms Hardware" review. "Tom" was not usin a retail version of Vista and "Tom" was using beta drivers. People really need to go ahead with all the Microsoft bashing. If you don't like then fine, go ahead and use Linux... and play NO games.

royalpierre
royalpierre

i dont know about all this. yeah it sounds cool to upgrade to Windows Vista but everytime windows has upgraded since 95 their has been initial problems. i will just wait it out and see what happens over the course of the year. Just because Wickham gave a press conference saying how great this is going to be does not mean anything. He works for Microsoft. His job is to go out there and sell Microsoft to the public. No way is he going to tell the press all the bad things about Vista. He is a salesman. He is not going to give you the whole truth. Just wait it out and see. I guarantee Microsoft will find some way of making it pretty much mandatory to get the ultimate version. To buy the premium edition would be like buying the core model of the 360 if you know what i mean. but that is just my opinion and im going to wait before upgrading. peace

GrimBee
GrimBee

Whats the costs in $$$ and £££ for the vista packages?

GunGriffin
GunGriffin

All this pushing for Vista is only going to fragment the PC gamers more. I mean only about 5 games have been announced for it, and they all require DX 10 somthing that only a Gforce7950 or higher can do, that and MS even says you need DX 10 to run Vista. High end gaming? yeah sure, but the costs of upgradeing for Vista and the games that need DX 10 that is still in it's infancy, add all this to the fact that Vista has a reinstal cap on it and that it runs slower than XP? I think most gamers are going to shy away from this till they have no other choice but to upgrade to Vista.

chrisdojo
chrisdojo

cross plat. multiplayer??? man, there's gonna be a TON of 360 players getting owned by those that play w/mouse + keyboard

migduvednok
migduvednok

Toms Hardware reviewed Vista at gaming and found it WORSE than XP!!! My personal experience with Vista is that it is not ready yet - i still get pop ups about errors that SHOULDNT be there, there's LOTS of little things that are not thought through in VIsta, feature-wise. Yes its better than XP. No, it's not good enough in it's own right.

Humorguy_basic
Humorguy_basic

"Next, Wickham reiterated that both versions of Vista--Premium and Ultimate--will ship with Windows Media Center software included. While Vista Premium will perhaps provide enough flexibility for average end users, Vista Ultimate will feature more functionality for "core users."" So hope you all get that gamers...You have to buy the Ultimate version for an extra couple hundred bucks! And sounds to me like Microsoft believe the way to bring the PC back is to make it like a console. I don;t want to use a gamepad, and I am worried what sort of games we will get with the 'drop CD in and play' games. If Microsoft fluff this, it could be the straw that breaks the PC gaming's back, so I hope they know what they are doing! (I worry they have a long term plan to get all PC gamers onto X-Box...!)

rarson
rarson

Where to start... Well, first of all, Vista will only be useful for games. Everything else that MS is trying to add is a load of crap and I have a feeling a lot of people will be switching to Linux this time around, rather than running Vista for all their apps. Gamers can always run a dual-boot config. So let me get this straight, Microsoft essentially (finally) re-engineers the OS and DirectX, and gives us this slick 3D Aero desktop that supposedly doesn't significantly decrease overhead, and it's not even using DX10??? WHAT? Instead of trying to fix what is wrong with PC gaming from a retail perspective, maybe they should fix what is wrong with PC gaming from the consumer's perspective. For instance, I feel insulted every time I PAY for a game and have to enter some 20-digit CD key to prove to this piece of software that I actually bought it. I know piracy is an issue but the fact is, I don't have to do that on a console, and I don't want to do that on a PC. Also, when I'm playing a brand new game like Need For Speed Carbon on my recently built computer, and it suddenly exits with no warning or prompting whatsoever, losing me at least an hour of time that I just spent working my way up in the game, that pisses me off. Or how about the simple fact that it takes my computer at least 30 seconds to boot up. No console I've ever had took that long. It amuses me that Microsoft thinks putting some fancy logo on PC game boxes will fix the problems with PC gaming.

KBFTodd
KBFTodd

mmmmm not yet, mabye next Xmas.

XtremePhsyco
XtremePhsyco

im looking foward to what vista will bring to the gaming market for both PCs and 360s dues to xbox live anywhere concept.

explodinglamas
explodinglamas

i wanna get vista, but first ill need a good computer to play all these sweet games!, i figure ill buy a good pc after vista comes out so i can get it bundled or something..... now all i need is the money............. crap!

smoothn00dle
smoothn00dle

Rich Wickham, I read his interview. Is he from console or PC game?

rockdawg
rockdawg

Going back to Wickham's comments...I just can't help but think the Ultimate edition will be a rip-off. Premium will likely be more than fine, with I suppose, an unfortunate nag that will encourage you to upgrade.

comthitnuong
comthitnuong

vista seems alright right now...but i might wait a little more

mpeg3s
mpeg3s

I have Vista and it's cool. Those DX10 GPUs are going through the roof. I can't afford one yet. Plus the first gen of anything usually sucks. I will wait until 2008 to get anything DX10. This year I will crossfire my PC. Quad CPUs aren't cheap either and it seems that VERY few games support multi-tread CPU cores.

Maquis_UK
Maquis_UK

360s slide towards unimportance in M$ eyes starts right here.

wytefang
wytefang

But wait...I thought PC gaming was dying? LOL...quite clearly not. It's as if thousands of angry console gaming nerds cried out in terror...and then were suddenly silent.

okassar
okassar

Vista is ingenious,The guy behind it is ingenious.

GrimBee
GrimBee

wow, vista is out real soon. Im not going to update yet, waiting for the "final verdict" so to speak. I am really looking forward to this OS, with xbox live being so great - and achievments and the gamertag and all that - it will be wonderful to have a sort of "MSN" style community for games, too. Im glad Vista has chosen to concentrate on games. It will really slap up the competition to make something good. I am sure vista will run normal programmes just fine, but a quick - easy to use interface - and FINALLY a universal way of playing pc games - this could be awesome news. Lets face it, PC gaming really needs a kick start in the right direction. Plugging in a 360 pad into the pc is ok (its crap to configure mind you). But with Vista, away goes those (ah, my pc isnt compatible) problems (I hope) as each game will be developed with a game-centric vista in mind. What I hope for is a better version of XP, but with the ability to use programmes like MSN, access to my gamertag and the loading and installation of games (and also where they are stored... a new place to access games would be a good thing, instead of START, PROGRAMS. A MY Games thing or something would be awesome). I would like games on the PC to really streamline themselves to being very simple to install, play and also go online and chat and all that stuff. Basically, I want a 360, inside my pc. And when the gaming stops, I want to be able to quickly get into doing other things. Not have some sort of "error found at 3420.dll program will now close" pop up randomly or whatever. Hopefully Vista will make things SIMPLE, yet even easier to be able to mod games and stuff. What it does, it needs to do them WELL.

Super_M_cool
Super_M_cool

vista look great to me and I'm certainly buying it for my new PC in march especially seeing as I'm getting quad core CPU 3gb of ram and a 8800 GTX. compared to XP vista is a huge advancement.

red_shock
red_shock

Sounds more like a Vista360 rather than a dependable business operating system.

The_Fell_One
The_Fell_One

Dude543211: Exactly. It's all about buying power for me. I don't have any, which makes PC gaming less appealing for me. If I had a whole bunch of money: yeah, I'd rather have a constantly upgraded top-of-the-line PC, especially if it's gonna have Live functionality.

Mark2099
Mark2099

MS has the most money, they wont skimp on anything.

red_shock
red_shock

I'm a developer and I am not impressed with Vista at all. It's just more of the same, and as far as grapics goes, OpenGL does the same on XP. I know an instructor who has the official version of Vista and half of his programs aren't working. Seriously, unless you have a serious reason to upgrade, stay with XP. Also, I know how Microsoft's marketing approaches go and this is one load of BS, and it's just days away til Vista releases. Learn to be a little critical.

Lightandarkside
Lightandarkside

HA HA HA LET THE LONG WAR BEGIN PC AND CONSOLE USERS WILL CLASH THERE WILL BE OWNAGE AND THERE WILL BE CONTROLLERS MOUSES AND KEYBOARDS THROWN lol

RaiKageRyu
RaiKageRyu

Can Microsoft revitalize the PC game market? I think so.

Dude543211
Dude543211

"Ahhh, I need an upgrade. ...So much money..." A Con of PC gaming. but on the other hand, consoles aren't always on the cutting edge......ahh.....love those double-edged swords. lol.