Valve helped bring PC gaming out of the "dark ages" says Wasteland 2 dev

inXile's Brian Fargo of Fallout fame declares Valve the "saviors of the PC."

Half-Life and Portal studio Valve played a major role in bringing PC gaming out of the "dark ages," according to Brian Fargo, who is known for his work on the Fallout series and is now head of Wasteland 2 developer inXile Entertainment

"They're the saviors of the PC as far as I'm concerned," Fargo told Eurogamer in a new interview. "They've been great. You think about where we all were, kind of in the dark ages, when there was nothing. There was just flash."

Fargo praised the Steam platform for the way in which it breaks down traditional barriers through things like digital distribution, which allows developers to sell their games directly to consumers often without a publisher intermediary.

"[Valve has] opened up a way to get directly to the audience in a way that isn't politicized, or forces us to do exclusives or all the other things the console guys do." Fargo went on to say that the console guys (he likely means Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony), "put all sorts of guns to our heads" as it relates to publishing agreements.

Of course, Valve has total control over its Steam marketplace and could implement new and potentially restrictive measures if it wanted to. But Fargo doesn't see this happening.

"Valve has all this power but they don't wield it. They let us all work in an open system," he said. "So for that I can't say enough good things about them."

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326 comments
A11yourbase
A11yourbase

Oh so sad. Don't they realize that this IS the dark ages of PC gaming? Once upon a time, the consumer had a small sliver of control over their gaming experience.

XIntoTheBlue
XIntoTheBlue

Valve needs to bring Half-Life 3 out of the dark ages.

metallinatus
metallinatus

Nothing new here.... he made Windows a big gaming platform, and now he is doing the same with Linux.

#AllHailTheLinuxMasterRace!

sirchick
sirchick

My only issue with Steam is they let completely aweful games on their system... but then reject perfectly good ones.

Either have it completely open to all without an approval green light system, or improve the requirements needed to be green lit.

The lack of refunds is why this is an issue, so many shit games that should not even be considered a game are on there.

Granted in UK we are allowed refunds even if we put hours into the games now, even if Steam doesn't like it, tough tits, but the rest of the world do not have such luxury.

Garm31
Garm31

"Valve helped bring PC gaming out of the "dark ages" 

No truer words have every been spoken in the history of game-chatter.

DrKill09
DrKill09

Well, Steam HAS made pc gaming less of a hassle.  Most of the drivers and updates I need to run a game are automatically downloaded.  My only complaint with Steam is that other companies are allowed to add additional DRM.  They REALLY need to change that.


UPlay and Rockstar Social Club are annoying as all hell.  I pay for something, it is mine forever.  Don't add bullshit install limits, or force me to download additional software.


At least GFWL is dead.

xcollector
xcollector

PC gaming was healthy before Steam. But then Microsoft kept shitting on it while their focus shifted to console gaming. During this time Steam has been swimming against the current to break free from Microsoft's shit. If Steam didn't exist PC gaming would be dead thanks to Microsoft. Hopefully we can all switch over to Linux sooner rather then later and finally get rid of Microsoft. Linux support does need to mature more though.

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

I am confused. Before Steam, was there an invisible despot in PC gaming that forced all sorts of restrictions on the game devs? There sure as hell is one now. Ok, ok, a benevolent despot.

I kinda regret contributing to Wasteland 2 now.

quickshooterMk2
quickshooterMk2

jesus chirst some comment adventure a several of scrolls below me 

Creed02
Creed02

Sad they couldnt saved half life 3

santinegrete
santinegrete

Until DRM does not dissappear nor does the Dark Age for me. More like the worst already happened (like when EA invented the online autentication DRM for Dead Space). I still purchase on Steam tough, but with online autentication and obviously no physical media I only get deal +50% deals. I only preordered 3 games since 2008, and last was Metro LL.

grenadehh
grenadehh

There was just flash? Just flash? Is he retarded? All of the good PC exclusives came out before Steam existed. 

allyouneedisluv
allyouneedisluv

Origin has helped more than Steam, they have Titanfall.

steaminpotatoes
steaminpotatoes

Sadly i was too hooked on WoW n Clubbin IRL to notice back then, once i quit WoW however, i came back to see my favourite platform riddled with shit like Resident Evil 4 & Modern Warfare 2 with p2p networking and other such consilitist, sad times, /vomit.


Also Steam wasn't selling games at first, think my first none valve purchase was Bad Company 2, within minutes i headed back to counter strike, it felt right.


Special Mentions:


  • Assassins Creed online DRM 
  • GFWL infestation

ghost140
ghost140

Its an arguable point but even if that's true it doesn't change the fact that Valve has allowed Steam to slowly turn into the Apple App store of PC gaming. The user, unless they know what they are looking for, have to sift through piles of ported mobile games or ripped-off, broken, and re-released crap. If things keep up Steam will become a wasteland of broken dreams for actually good indie games and with an occasional oasis of good B, AA, and AAA games

DarxPhil
DarxPhil

To a degree that's true, though back before Steam the PC market was actually doing very well. We had our Half-Life, Quake, Battlefield, Unreal, CounterStrike, Fallout it was really the the PC's golden age before Steam.

Steam just made PC gaming a TON more accessible and simplistic, no more having to install a PC game using 4 discs instead it's just a giant virtual library.   

Bellum_Sacrum
Bellum_Sacrum

This is how this guy tries to generate hype for his game. He's just flattering his insecure, future clients.

Sohaim
Sohaim

they sure as hell did save it for brazil, thanks to steam i can buy pc games at launch at wonderfull prices, hell i paid 85 reais for Dark Souls 2 lolz

TriggerManX97
TriggerManX97

@A11yourbase  I wouldn't call it a dark age for PC so much as an uncertain time in the Industry, we are transitioning to all digital media, it is just part of progression but people don't know how to control it right now, but things will get better.

yngsten
yngsten

@supersungin  

We were never threatened.

XIntoTheBlue
XIntoTheBlue

@sirchick Yes, but what defines "awful" and what defines "good" is personal opinion. You might find a game good where another thinks it sucks and vice versa. Like everything else, a little research into a game can go a long way.

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

@DrKill09  Actually in the fine print, according to steam you do not own shit. You are simply leasing a title under their discretion and may change at any time for any reason. Unlike a cd, lawnmower, car, painting, or console game - you cannot give it away, loan it out, resale it, or trade it in. 

I agree with you, hate piracy but hate additional DRM adds that go against the gaming consumer in every way possible. 

metallinatus
metallinatus

@DrKill09   "I pay for something, it is mine forever.  Don't add bullshit install limits"

Microsoft has something to say about your thoughts.

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

@xcollector  


And now Valve is making a console...what does this tell you about where the market is going?  PC is loosing ground.

wiimanclassic
wiimanclassic

@Unfallen_Satan You do get devs are free to put games on Steam DRM free, right? That Valve isn't forcing them to make use of their DRM to sell a game on Steam?

I think someone made a list of all the games on it that are DRM free also.

DrKill09
DrKill09

@grenadehh  Seriously! "Just flash".  Soo... no DOS games or Win95/98 games, just flash based games?  LMFAO!


Is he high?!

klugenbeel
klugenbeel

@allyouneedisluv  I love Titanfall, but this is one of the dumbest comments ever....Origin sucks, Origin even had to copy features of Steam to make it a better experience.

cratecruncher
cratecruncher

@ghost140 Good point.  I'm surprised they haven't improved the ability to browse in Steam.  Most retail businesses spend too much time working on that.  Steam almost doesn't give a crap whether people find games to buy or not.  When I click on a game in a list of 100, then go back to the list it starts at the beginning of the list!  Christ, even Ebay knows not to do crap like that.

grenadehh
grenadehh

@ghost140  Theres an entire sub-forum of suggested features/changes that I assume they don't read. For example, BETTER SORTING OPTIONS. Jesus I hate searching or looking through the Steam store, as bloated as it has become with DLC.

crix01
crix01

@DarxPhil  All those games are First person shooters. Those games were doing well. Valve helped bring more different games to the PC market. That's why back then i played console games, because there was no variety on the PC. 

qtmew
qtmew

@Sohaim  I know how you feel ;(.

Useless region-locking as well... I go to other legit sites that sell said region-locked games on Steam, and I can buy them... Steam O' Steam..

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

@yngsten  @supersungin


So delusional. You spend 2-3 times more on a PC gaming rig with half the life span of a console for what? slightly better resolution and textures?  After a few years you're not playing games on Ultra anymore, so you might as well be on a console.


You have to worry about benchmarks, compatibility issues and upgrades when ever a new game comes out. 


You don't get all the exclusives any more. (ex. GTAV Destiny)


Everything the PC once held domain over the consoles like online multiplayer, patches/fixes, DLC, Movies, TV, web browsing, app's...has now collapsed on the PC gaming industry.  You have nothing left!



i'll still be playing my Xbox One 9-10 years from now...where will that expensive gaming rig of yours be then?  I'm gonna guess slowly decaying in a landfill somewhere next to a full baby diaper and and chicken carcass. 



xcollector
xcollector

@Gravity_Slave @xcollector  They are not making a console. They are making a small form factor PC that is suppose to look like a console to trick all the console gamers into becoming pc gamers. If you tell a console gamer to become a PC gamer there is a road block that they automatically hit which prevents them from going any further. But it you tell them its not a PC even when it is then the road block doesn't exist anymore. Its retarded but so are people.

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

@wiimanclassic I didn't know that! How does it work? If I buy a DRM-free game on Steam, do I get a copy that installs and plays anywhere with or without Steam?

Sohaim
Sohaim

@santinegrete @Sohaim  this way i can pre-order games without hurting my wallet bro ;D,also my wife will not complain much ;x

Sohaim
Sohaim

@qtmew ? i feel great, thanks to steam i can buy games at nice prices(except Watch Dogs,130 reais no buy ubisoft, i pay no more than 99 reais), the region lock thing is only for activating no?

xtne
xtne

@Gravity_Slave GTAV is coming to PC. Destiny, can stay on consoles. Looks like a boring version of Borderlands. Also do u not know how to upgrade a computer? I upgrade my computer every couple of years, and that amount of money is far less than what you pay for on your games for your console (aka an old computer that you cant upgrade); and before you say "you spend so much more money buying games along with those computer components" i got two words for you - Steam Sales

wiimanclassic
wiimanclassic

@Unfallen_Satan @wiimanclassic You install it through Steam but it doesn't need Steam running to play it, essentially working like Amazon or Gog's download clients.

Most devs just choose to use the DRM part since well what reason do you have to uninstall Steam or not have it running at the time? 

Sohaim
Sohaim

@qtmew @Sohaimin brazil cases its devs, you cant buy ANY EA games from GG or GMG, or anyone else, its locked and you can only buy from BR Origin, also, some games cannot be sold throught steam because of the publisher, this happened to me with Bastion, Warner Bros was the pubi and in brazil they had a diff deal or something, the result was Bastion being pulled out of steam, but they fixed it and steam was selling it again, so i dont think all of the cases its valve, where do you live anyways?

qtmew
qtmew

@Sohaim @qtmew  Not developers. Steam is doing it. I go to GamersGate or GMG I find the games there... Steam locks them all the way.

Sohaim
Sohaim

@qtmew @Sohaimthats the only downside for me, but lately devs are not doing that to brazil ;D, more locks is bad ;/

qtmew
qtmew

@Sohaim  Region lock even for the store page, lol. I heard they will introduce region-locking for Gifting as well.