Unreal Engine 4 skipping Wii U

Epic Games president says next-gen technology won't be available for developers on Nintendo's latest console.

The Wii U will not receive Unreal Engine 4 support, creator Epic Games has confirmed. Kotaku asked vice president Mark Rein this week at the Game Developers Conference if the technology will be offered on Nintendo's latest console, to which he gave a blunt response.

"No," Rein said.

Rein further explained that the Unreal Engine 4 is targeted at next-generation consoles, which he does not consider the Wii U to be.

"Our goal for Unreal Engine 4 console-wise is next-gen consoles. That's really what our energies are focused on," Rein said. "If you want to make a Wii U game, we have Unreal Engine 3, and it's powering some of the best games on the Wii U already."

Epic today released a new Unreal Engine 4 technology demo video called "Infiltrator" showing off what next-generation games using the engine could look like. It is embedded below.

The Wii U will also not run Electronic Arts' new Frostbite 3 engine, the technology behind DICE's upcoming military shooter Battlefield 4.

Written By

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

Discussion

1038 comments
badwedgie00
badwedgie00

I have owned EVERY Nintendo gaming system from the Game N Watch all the way to the Wii.  They took a steep dive downhill with the N64, and the Wii buoyed them up for a while, but now it will all crash with the Wii-U.  With continued absence of third-party support, it seems as if announcing that your company will not develop at all for the Wii-U is becoming the new black. If this trend continues for another year, Nintendo may go the way of Sega or worse--the Turbografx-16! Now, who remembers that system?!

blackyoshi33
blackyoshi33

NOBODY CARES! So what that Nintendo doesn't get this fancy stuff; the games we have already look amazing! And people complain about Nintendo sucking, but look at the reaction to PS4! As the Wii U, it's simply an upgrade to the past system! AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING! With the current technology, we really can't go much further and have it be affordable for the average person! Sure, there's those goggle simulators or whatever, but those wouldn't sell well because they would be thousands of dollars! What's the point of Nintendo receiving this new engine if the games are looking pretty damn well without it? Nintendo is "The company that saved gaming", because if Nintendo didn't make their games, the gaming industry literally would have crashed in the 80s! READ UP IF YA DON'T BELIEVE ME! I enjoy Nintendo without any of this stuff. All PlayStation and XBox fans just enjoy mindless murder and killing people in their games; Nintendo actually has fun games that aren't "childish'; they're classics, and they're not mindlessly violent! So screw off all of you annoying trolls, we're fine without any of the "new age" crap!

jjsaavedragomez
jjsaavedragomez

I want to argue something with you, Dannystaples14. You say next gen is what people want. Yeah, a lot of people do. But lots of people want other things, too. We, the people that like Nintendo, follow some sort of philosophy: mechanics and concepts over visuals, in cheaper ways (a very old philosophy, the Yokoi philosophy) . Next gen, Unreal 4 right now, has always been about graphics, about how something looks. Nintendo works in another way: they make hardware (right now, that is: n64 and GC were powerful enough) with the idea of giving space to innovative mechanics, not with the idea of looks. It's like with movies: you have Hollywood, with special effects and so on, high budget productions, and you have people who prefer other experiences. This happened before with gameboy: the gameboy was low on technology, but it did well because it was cheaper and it gave a lot of  good gaming experiences that some people like. I live in Chile. Here, gaming is expensive. A Ps4 will cost me a lot more that 1000 dollars, and for what? To play the last installment of a game, with better graphics, some added mechanics... and that's it. I would be on the highest end of gaming technology, in terms of power... but that doesn't mean it would satisfy my gaming needs. On the other hand, a Wii U costs what it costs (it's still expensive on my country, but not that much) and I will have cool Nintendo experiences, innovative experiences and long-time franchises that I love, by developers whose gaming philosophy I trust (they don't do the same game with different characters and worlds, for example, like Bethesda). Personally, I don't feel the urge to be on the Olimpus of gaming. The time will come, and if the game is any good, I will have a good experience three years from now, just like if I play it right now. I really don't want spectacularity, or to be 'winning' because I had the money to buy a super-console and a super-screen, playing the pinacle of power on the pinacle of screens. I want to play, have fun, and be happy with new and inspiring experiences. And that I can get it from Wii U, or from a medium PC.

I'm an old gamer guy, 27 years old, and in this moment of my life, I'm looking for ideas. That's why I play indie games, for example: because many independent developers think about mechanics before "worlds" and "graphics". Next gen games, in general, tend to center their philosophy on giving the player a "real" world, and with each hardware iteration, they're giving developers the oportunity to make games that are always more "powerful" than before, that look better and tend to be more impressive in that department. A gamer like me, and many others, WANT Nintendo because they just think different (well, most of the time: Pokemon and the New Mario series tend to be repetitive, I'll give you that).They keep a low key philosophy were the concept of experience it's not visual in terms of high-end graphics, but visual in terms of a certain mechanic to be suited with. Miyamoto, for expample, has always said he starts thinking about how something's is played before imagining how it will look, or how the world will be presented. Because, for him, games are not movies nor 'sports' (in multiplayer terms, like shooters nowadays), but toys to have aestehtic experiences with. So you say what people WANT is high end graphics and powerful machines to play maybe Assasin's Creed, Final Fantasy, or Battlefield. Yeah, gamers who say they're hardcore gamers and grown up gamers want that, because that's what make them feel identified with a movement, the high-end movement, big screens,outstanding graphics, and so on. Big worlds where the mechanics fall behind of a gameplay centered mainly on the world, the story and the looks. People like me, who play on another way, trsut Nintendo because they still present simple and innovative mechanics, that's to say: gameplay centered on the experience of playing a videogame, not a movie or a competitive multiplayer. In that sense, we really don't need Unreal 4 to be satisfied: we need good games, with good art direction (and good art direction is not the same as powerful, last-gen graphics). To have a good art direction you don't need powerful hardware, or maybe not necessarily: you need good ideas. Wii U offers a good hardware for good and innovative ideas, and they will look good in Unreal 3, because (maybe just for me) graphics where good even on the Gamecube. Luigi's mansion looks good for me, for example. It all depends of the games you like to play, or the experiences you like to give. World simulation ('the more real the better') is not the only legit gaming experience (I have to accept, nevertheless, I was really waiting for Nintendo on HD, hahaha).

You like big screens and powerful machines to experience a cinematic kind of gameplay. That's ok, you're a hardcore gamer. But to just discard other kind of experiences, and to name them "childish" (they do not have blood on them? guns? boobs? so-called complex arguments and scripts that, at the end of the day, fall short in comparisson with good movies?), is going too far. The Wii U is not dead. It will offer some kind of experience that imaginative developers can give. It will not have Final Fantasy, it will not have God of War or Fallout or the last installment of Bioshock, but it will have fun and inspiring ways to play, and that's why people will buy it: not everyone buys hardware because it's the last iteration of gaming technology.  I'm not saying high-end and next gen consoles will not have that kind of experiences: I'm just saying I trust Nintendo and co. to give me that on a regular basis. I'm a grown up, and I think God of War and Battlefield are really, really childish. Pikmin, for example, it has a "childish" aesthetic, but you need to be a grown up (that is, a person who's confident of himself or herself, of his or her identity) to understand it on a deep level. To be a grown up is, at the same time, to come to terms with your childhood. What you say is gaming for non-child people, it's just pre-adolescent or adolescent for me. I'm through with blood and guns, or with epic stories and scripts, complex just on the crust. I want to be compelled on a deep level, not on the surface of my urges. I don't need Unreal 4 for that.

Raziel5483
Raziel5483

eh i bought it for monster hunter, zelda, and they always pull out a few great jrpgs.  I don't ever put their stuff in with the other guys.  Its like comparing a High School basketball game to the NBA, One is a lot more flashy but both are fun on their own.

unam10122
unam10122

Mark Rein spoke to Engadget and  said wii u can run unreal engine 4(no april fools joke )!! ha it feels so good to  ruin the party for all the haters out there lol

hadlee73
hadlee73

If Epic Games (the creator of one of the most-used graphics engines in gaming history) doesn't think the WiiU is next gen, it won't be long before this will be the common consensus. It looks like Nintendo may just have to settle for being the "party game" console again.

Tekcor
Tekcor

Aw crap. This is pretty much the nail in the coffin for the Wii U.

nini200
nini200

Time for that Expansion Pak again Nintendo, (even though this statement has been retracted by Rein already)

combigotes
combigotes

I think Nintendo has a different kind of gamer. If I want to give my child a console, I always look at Nintendo, but I personally prefer other consoles by the type of games I like. But a good time with family, and great fun for children do not need 8 GB of RAM with a super powerful graphic card. If you're a hardcore gamer, not buy nintendo, but if you are a parent who wants to provide entertainment to your family (and occasionally play a stronger title) ... Nintendo offers fun and economy (compared to other consoles).

PKX-LIVE
PKX-LIVE

This is the only site where Trolls and haters mostly live. Every time a piece of news comes out there are fan-boys bashing the company or consoles in favor of there own. I just don't understand why such hate. People will spend there money on what ever they like so live and deal with it. People spend 300k on a car while people cant even afford 100k house. People spend 100k on a baseball card. So let people buy what they want and stop complaining about what you don't have. And if you like me and own ALL the systems and you don't like it, just don't support it. Wasting energy and needed post about your hate trying boost what you like. End of the Day We gone still play Wii U and still buy Nintendo or Xbox or i Pads.  

Solace427
Solace427

This just in 99.99999999998% of the world is skipping the Wii U...At this point, anything not coming to the Wii U is of no surprise. It just seems that the Wii U and the ability to develop for it are so different that it ends up being too much of a risk to develop for or just doesn't fit into a company's time table for development The timing for the Wii U was nothing short of terrible. New console when the current gen was already rumored and believed by many to be at the end of its cycle. Of course to no surprise that is the case with the PS4 announcement this past Feb..

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

Good the quicker we get rid of these shitty consoles the better. Any company who can't even use enough tact to make their new console obviously new needs to go. I thought the Wii U was just another stupid controller. They also brought out an entire console with current gen graphics just before the new gen consoles are being announced. I mean are they totally stupid or what? They were already behind consoles with the Wii and everyone was behind PC, why would they bother. Even their 3DS hasn't done anything, now they have announced the 3D effect isn't going to be the main focus of the console it is named after? Naa time to cut Nintendo's leash and stop making excuses for them. Either start making stuff people actually want or just go away. Most of your games are for kids anyway and what with the current gen consoles already feeling tired you are going to run out of steam very quickly and before long you will be back to where you have always been, the shadow of a mouse inside the shadow of giants.

botsio
botsio

if even the wii u loses out on these engines,i feel sony and microsofts' next gen consoles are borrowed off ideas off the wii u hardware to make theirs better!lets give credit where credit is due!the idea of a second screen and now the vita has hope!but i know soon enough nintendo will silence critics!

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

So GameSpot is not going to post how Rein retracted his statement saying that if developers want to use Unreal Engine 4 on the Wii U, they can? Oh yeah of course, it's positive news so of course they're not going to post it on here.

UponADarkThorne
UponADarkThorne

@blackyoshi33 

Frankly, I'm not looking forward to the "next generation" of consoles at all.   Most (but not all) games worth playing on the next X-Box or the PlayStation 4 will also be available on the  PC, where they will run better anyway.   Not to mention when it comes to games, I can honestly say I'm more looking forward to crowd-sourced RPGs like Wasteland 2, Project: Eternity, and the upcoming Torment game than I am any AAA title. 

Honestly, I believe the high cost of development (which forces games to be released on multiple platforms) will eventually kill gaming - back in the day, PC games and console games were different and I played both for different reasons - these days, it seems most of the big developers expect for Nintendo seem to forget that home consoles, no matter how much they would like to be, are not computers.

dovonob
dovonob

@jjsaavedragomez 

wouldn't it be nice to have both though..........great deep gameplay and good graphics.

It's a pipe dream I know but maybe one day someone will do it.........

If Nintendo realeased a console that had the same or more power than the other consoles it would be nice.

I still love my N64........and it was more powerful than the PSone.........and had some of the greatest games, perfect dark, Ocarina of Time.

See Nintendo used to be able to do both, just don't understand why it doesn't even try anymore :(

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@jjsaavedragomez

Very long comment but I agree with you on pretty much everything. It's kind of sad to think that most of the creative and innovative games come from the smaller developers or are games that are not graphically intensive or require "cutting edge tech." The most innovative first person game this gen, Portal, only really required a physics engine that was powerful enough to pull of the puzzles but as far as visuals and all of that goes, Source 2 was a 3 year old engine when Portal came out (7 year old when Portal 2 came out). 

Sure there are a lot of gamers who love these hyped up AAA cinematic games but to act like they're the only audience out there is not only ignorant but we have valid proof of how untrue that is simply by looking at the sales and even reviews. These past few months, all of these "hardcore gamers" were acting like the next God of War, Gears of War, Dead Space and Crysis were going to be the best games ever and yet when they came out, none of them achieved a AAA score on metacritic (I think God of War was the highest at 80), and none sold more than 4m. If these "hardcore games" was all gamers wanted, you'd think that these games would be selling at least in the 10 millions but no, only Call of Duty (and several Nintendo franchises) typically reach that mark. 

Not everyone cares about these kinds of games, like you said, there are tons of us who desire more unique experiences that strays away from the usual "Bloody violent gun shooter cinematic game" but those games are more immature than games like Pikmin, Zelda, and Metroid. Hell, aside from Nintendogs, I can't even think of a single Nintendo franchise that is specifically targeted towards kids, sure they make their games accessible but they also always had a layer of depth that gives more skilled players something to enjoy. Also I look for value in my games, meaning I want the game to last me at least a month, not a few days and for the most part, that can't be found with most AAA games since their single player campaign NEVER goes past 15 hours, even WRPGs rarely go past 20 hours (aside from Bethesda games) yet with JRPGs, 30 hours is considered short which I love. 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@unam10122 Yeah but if it looks anything like the next consoles or PC all of space time will have such a massive shock that the ripple being transmitted through it will cause it to implode and will fast track it to its eventuality of heat death and maximum entropy.

emptycow
emptycow

@nini200 he said in order to run the unreal engine 4 on the wiiu you would have to take everything out of the game that makes it next gen  so in the end you will be playing  a sub par  unreal engine 3 game  with a ue4 sticker slapped on it

emptycow
emptycow

@combigotes nintendo just tells people they are for the family  they really are not  most of the games on the wiiu are 3rd party ports of single player games   the xbox 360 and ps3 have alot of kids games and games for the faimly they just dont rub it in your face like nintendo

emptycow
emptycow

@PKX-LIVE nintendo is sending the console world into a  stupid direction  thats why people dislike them  nintendo is not supporting the 3rd party devs thats another reason the devs dislike nintendo  you think nintendo had no idea unreal engine 4 was going to be a big engine for the  "next gen"  they did know but they just dont give a crap

danielbirchal
danielbirchal

@Solace427 Agreed. This isn't news. It wold be news if  it was XXXX didn't skip wiiu!

R.I.P. WiiU

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Dannystaples14 

Wow, there was so much stupidity and ignorance in this comment I just went "Wow" 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@botsio The next gen consoles are in no way shape or form anything like anything Nintendo has ever thought about designing let alone actually gone ahead and made. Nintendo are tired and out of ideas, I mean why would they bring out a console with similar specs to the current generation e.g. 360 and PS3 just before we all knew they were going to retire and the next gen would be announced? The Wii U is in no league of the new consoles and has never been in league with PC. Also handhelds are crap anyway, and the PS Vita looks and feel so much better designed than the 3DS ever did and I have a 3DS. It has been sat on my desk for nearly a year untouched. I wouldn't miss Nintendo even slightly, they can't even control their best franchises e.g. Pokemon and Mario, Pokemon sucked after Crystal and Mario has been the same since the nineties. Just washed out and dying, I think we should help them along.

emptycow
emptycow

@abHS4L88 dude it was not positive news at all ... Rein also said if they want they can also run unreal 4 on the xbox 360 and a web browser  if they had unreal engine 4 on the xbox 360 or wiiu it would only be the unreal engine in name alone   you wont get any of the new  features  of unreal 4 on a xbox 360 or wiiu  so yea  just face facts the wiiu is not a next gen system and it wont run any next gen engines

guahiatt
guahiatt

@dovonob @jjsaavedragomez I dont think its a matter of trying or not trying, its a matter of decision, a decision they made, I think, while developing the concept for what was going to be the Wii. Nintendo, and every videogame company for that matter, is left with a choice for every new generation of consoles: "what will we invest on for this next generation? what will be our bet? what will we do to differentiate us from our competitors"? Sony and Microsoft decided to invest on the look of their games, which was a huge leap from what we were used to. Nintendo invested on innovation and gameplay, which also was a huge leap from what we were used to.

The three decided to do the same for this generation. Its not that Nintendo doesn't want to make game that would left you in awe by its looks, its just that they decided to invest on gameplay and innovation. The same goes for Sony and Microsoft, they're going for the looks. Its just that you cant invest a lot in both looks and innovation because the costs on R&D would be absolutely huge.

And I second what jjsaavedragomez said. I'm from Chile too and gaming its an expensive hobby (the ps3 price was around 1200 dollars when released if I remember correctly), so when picking up a console you really need to ask yourself what are you looking for on games.

I think this generation will have terrific consoles and games. At the moment I feel more inclined towards the WiiU and the Ps4 in the future. And I'm also 27 so I consider myself a "mature" gamer too.

MajinSquall
MajinSquall

@garysingh34 @hadlee73 yeah but only tech wise but as the WiiU is the successor to the Wii it still part of the 8th generation the same as PS4 and Nexbox will be so it's still a "Next Gen" console

combigotes
combigotes

@emptycow@combigotesyes it's true. I did not mean that other consoles have no alternatives for children. I think the reason why Nintendo did not stand out for their power is by family strategy, that is my speculation. If that is your intention, NINTENDO usually a cheaper alternative

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@abHS4L88 @Dannystaples14 Yeah but your other comment showed you are ok with inferior hardware on all levels (even the ones not directly related to graphics) AND shit games, so who cares. 

I actually applaud you, you are happy with Nintendo products that is fine. But if you want to try and slander a comment at least make it a proper structured argument, don't just name drop. I mean you can really hurt my feelings......HAHAHA I'm only joking! 

What I really mean is business is about getting money and people give money for something they WANT. The reason I won't be giving ANY money to Nintendo for a very long time is because I hate everything they do at this stage. Childish games, childish hardware, childish image. I will probably buy Pokemon X or Y just because but other than that I don't care about them and the sad thing is I'm not alone. And in terms of business strategy that means they will be bottom of the pile and if they keep making bad choices like sticking with last generation hardware/ideas they are going to remain there and at one point or another especially in downed economies like today they are at a very strong position to simply drop out of existence. It doesn't matter that they had some good ideas if they drop off the scale (for consoles anyway) it will be very hard for them to come back. And the worst part is most people won't care!

botsio
botsio

@Dannystaples14 @botsio i am a big fan of nintendo too yes vita as well as the psp are more powerful than the ds and 3ds!but sony has always lost the battle to nintendo anyways!the 3ds has more games compared to the psp and vita combined!the vita is releasing games that have been criticised as not being hardcore u know it!the features that the vita holds some are ideas from the ds only enhanced!the idea of a second screen !nintendo pionered it!do doubt nintendo!i know they are capable of the unimaginable!

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@emptycow @abHS4L88 Who thought the Wii U was next gen? Anyone who has ever seen a screenshot of a Wii U game knows it only keeps up with the 360 and PS3. Next gen would be like someone walking up Ben Nevis and then saying you can continue on and chase the new Xbox and PS4 if you want, pointing to an image of Everest or a volcano. Nintendo's just like "**** THAT!"

emptycow
emptycow

@combigotes @emptycow yea but when it comes to  a system for the family the xbox 360 has more games  for the family at this point  and it cost around $150  $100 so if you want to get a great system at a low cost buy a x360 and some family games 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Dannystaples14

Also to add to this particular comment "Even their 3DS hasn't done anything, now they have announced the 3D effect isn't going to be the main focus of the console it is named after?" 

Sure the 3D turned out to be no more than a gimmick that can sometimes enhance gameplay but only if used correctly, but saying the 3DS hasn't done anything is again, ignorance. Now you can say that you still don't find any games appealing to it, that's perfectly reasonable but saying that the fastest selling handheld in history that's already achieved over 30m sales worldwide in 2 years isn't doing anything is stupid. If the 3DS hasn't done anything, then what the hell has the Vita achieved? (Not knocking on the Vita, I hope it does well but just applying your logic to other consoles). 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Dannystaples14

Actually I'm not, as far as hardware goes, as long as it's good enough to play great games, then I'm good and no, it doesn't have to get every AAA title out there for it to be great and I'm absolutely NOT fine with crap games (nearly every game I get is something I've thoroughly enjoyed and felt I got my money's worth because I actually do my research and make a sound decision before purchasing a game, not buying something based on hype, the few times I've done that, I've regretted it). 

I didn't call you any names, I just said your comment reeked of stupidity and ignorance and even the most intelligent person can be guilty of that sometimes. 

Giving what the gamers want? Problem with gamers such as yourself and many "hardcore gamers" is that you don't know what the hell you want. "Hardcore gamers" are the ones who scream "WE WANT INNOVATION!" then when a game presents itself that is innovation "GIMMICKY TRASH! YOU STRAYED TOO FAR FROM THE ORIGINAL!" then when a new entry comes in that improves on the original without straying too far "LAME! REHASH!" so there's honestly no pleasing this "hardcore gamer" crowd so why the hell would a business want to listen to a bunch of whiners? 

They are actually not a position to drop out, they are actually in one of the safest spots as far as the major developers go. Tell me, how many development studios have they closed? Uh huh, that's right none, how many has Sony, EA, Activison, Microsoft, and Capcom closed? 

I'm curious, give me ONE Nintendo franchise that is specifically targeted towards kids, and by this I mean NOTHING about it would appeal to adult or more skilled players aside from maybe Nintendogs. Thing is, they don't put the childish image on themselves, you guys do because you're too narrow minded and love listening to the media place stupid labels on everything instead of having a mind of your own and making your own judgement. 

And people do care about Nintendo, there's a reason why their games typically sell more than your average hyped up AAA title (except for maybe Call of Duty) so stop acting like your small bubble of "hardcore gamers" makes up the entire community, it's only about 15% at the most. 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@botsio Just a tip, if you don't want people to hate you, especially gamers, don't tell them you pirate games. R4s are one of the most aggressive forms of piracy I have ever experienced, don't contribute to that and definitely don't admit to it.

deathblow3
deathblow3

@botsio @Dannystaples14 before the wii U the ps3 had second screen control abillity even though it was widely used the psp suppported it. oh how we forget the past

botsio
botsio

@Dannystaples14 @botsio back in 2012 there was talk of a group trying to create an r4 like card for the 3ds!called the crown 3ds!cos most of the r4s claimed to work for the 3ds are rip offs!the roms are available but not playable as at now!the titles are many!

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@botsio @Dannystaples14 Oh I know what you mean about the second screen thing now. You mean when the PS4 comes out it will be able to use the Vita as a controller? The Dreamcast also had a similar set up though not quite as advanced as the Wii U or Vita-PS4 combo (should it come to light). I guess it all depends on how well implemented the Vita is, if you can play entire PS3/4 games on the Vita I can imagine that would be awesome, otherwise like you said it would just be a rehash of the Wii U idea. Not totally bothered about either to be honest when I have a 20+ inch screen TV in front of me but you know. 

Wait a minute, more games on 3DS than PSP and Vita combined? Have I missed something or are you getting games from somewhere I haven't discovered? I can see more games on 3DS than Vita but PSP has been out for years, there is no way there are more games on 3DS than PSP. I mean I've looked loads of times and the games I actually WANT to buy for 3DS are almost non-existant, there are hundreds of games for PSP.

emptycow
emptycow

@botsio @Dannystaples14 the ps1 killed the  n64 and the ps2 killed the gamecube  and the ps3 is out selling the wii every week for over 2 years i dont think  sony has always been losing to nintendo i think at this point nintendo is killing itself 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@abHS4L88 Yeah but all Nintendo exclusives have graphics like Pokemon, Super Mario and loads of the cutesy Japanese cartoon type games. If they bring out any games that actually use textures they will be games that have already been out on other consoles like Assassins Creed. I mean even Solid Snake on Super Smash Brothers Brawl and the textures on many of the characters which aren't cartoons were washed out because the Wii couldn't handle it but lets be honest there weren't many that weren't cartoons were there? You don't have any other types of exclusives, all Nintendo owns are cartoons and Japanese games. None of which even have that many textures and graphics to show off.

What is the point in having more power than the PS3/360 if massive new engines like Unreal 4 are just going to ignore you? All of these developers are going to be concentrating on the modern games and will just hand you a box of matches and say "Yeah were a little busy right now. Maybe we'll play with you later."

The game pad is a decent idea I'll admit, but it looks like you are holding a dinner tray. If you don't think that is vulgar god knows what your bedroom looks like. Same way the Wii was good if you are playing in a group, but I don't want to be waving my arms around like an idiot when I'm alone. Vulgar. I've yet to own a DS that didn't have a clunky, baddly put together hinge on the flip screen, or like quite sharp edges. I actually thought the DS lite was better build than the 3DS. When it comes to hardware design Nintendo look more like the equipment you get in hospitals, rugged and harsh and look like they could be dropped from a three story window and bounce without a scratch but they are never pretty.

These flaws are still present on PS3/360....the last time I looked the 360 didn't have a dinner tray controller available. For good reason. The 360 doesn't take five minutes to get through a loading screen. 360/PS3 had issues but they were way more interesting than major developers simply ignoring that they exist because they weren't worth it. I mean just look at the PS3s wand motion thing. Everyone hated it, why? Because no one gives a shit about stuff like that. They tried to plug it again when the PS4 was announced and no one cared.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Dannystaples14

Again, why would the launch titles show off the true power of the system? Of course the games right now aren't "next gen graphics" because they're current gen games. It's either when the multiplatform games or the  next batch of exclusives for the Wii U come in that the system's graphical capabilities will be shown off. It's flat out ignorance thinking that the Wii U is ONLY capable of doing what the PS3/360 can do when it's clearly newer tech that developers can draw out more power from. Also you're acting like the Wii U is basically a Nintendo version of the PS3, which it obviously isn't since it's capable of far more. You say that you believe graphics aren't everything yet you just spent that whole first paragraph talking about how you felt graphics meant a huge amount. 

The GamePad is vulgar? How the hell is it vulgar? It streamlines features that were always limited on consoles (like simple typing and browsing) while allowing more features and gameplay elements to be possible. Of course it's not high res, but why would it need to? Have you seen gameplay on it? It looks almost identical to what you see on your HD TV so why waste resources on something unnecessary? Sorry but Nintendo doesn't like to squander money on features they know won't be practical or necessary, like putting a high resolution on a 6.2" screen when 480p is perfectly adequate for that. All of those technical flaws you're talking about is more on the developer than the console itself. For example, why was Sumo and Ubisoft able to successfully port their games to the Wii U and make them run just as well as on the 360 yet Rocksteady couldn't do Batman well? Simple, it's the amount effort the developers put into porting the game over, same reason why Bayonetta was amazing on the 360, but less so on the PS3 due to bad porting. 

Also you act like these flaws are only present on the Wii U, no they have been and still are present on the PS3/360 and most likely will be present on the PS4 and next XBox. 

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@abHS4L88 @Dannystaples14 I never said the graphics on Wii U are like the Xbox/PS3 were at their launch, but they aren't better than the consoles are now as in they aren't next gen graphics. And since most people are going to probably abandon their 360/PS3 in the next year or so the Wii U will just be that console that uses last generation graphics, AGAIN! Which as you say and I agree with you graphics aren't everything BUT we have had the current console graphics for nearly eight years we are all sick of the same old boring game play and games that come out that look almost a carbon copy of the previous because the developers are limited by LAST GEN' GRAPHICS. I mean the Wii U brought out Assassins Creed. Which looked almost identical to PS3/360, why would someone buy a NEW console so they can play old software? Its like buying a £2000 gaming PC and only playing DOOM on it. 

There isn't even any hardware on it that isn't graphics related which is revolutionary, the screen pad thing is vulgar, the screen things screen isn't what you would call high res, and this power you don't care about is the reason why games like Lego City have ludicrously long load times, power isn't all about graphics, how about multi tasking? You know talking to friends while you are playing, downloading videos or games in the background while you are playing. And like I've already said load times are a pain in the ass when it comes to low power, you know I bought this new console and I have to sit here and watch a little bar slowly making its way across the screen. How about frame per second? And texture pop ins and clipping? As in those things which don't exactly mean advanced graphics but make the game look like shit and cheap and slow.

But if you want this stuff be my guest.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Dannystaples14
The people with brains who actually know what the term "next gen" means are the ones who know that the Wii U is a next gen system. It "only keeps up with the PS3/360" by putting out games at the beginning of its life cycle that would've never been seen on the 360/PS3 6 years ago? Please tell me you don't think the launch games of the 360/PS3 look just as good as the games that are coming out for those systems now (same with nearly every console that has been on the market for about 4 years). 

That's the problem with many developers in the industry and many gamers now, it's all about power and tech with you people and Nintendo has recognized even before they entered the gaming industry that chasing after tech is an easy way to fail in this industry, which is why every console maker that focused on specs failed and with the 7th generation taking a huge leap in power, we saw the most amount of development studios closing since the videogame crash. 

emptycow
emptycow

@Dannystaples14 @emptycow @abHS4L88 and the uninformed  buyers who already own a  ps3 or xbox 360  will buy a wiiu thinking its a step up and find out fast  they wasted there money and will bring the wiiu back to the store