The OzSpot 29/05/12

We argue! About games!

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On this week's show we have a debate about video game advertising, talk about GAME Australia layoffs and store closures, and look at why Kingdoms of Amalur developer 38 Studios closed last week.

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Discussion

13 comments
b0at
b0at

Techland trailer was definately refreshing, I find myself rolling my eyes alot these days at all the common, shallow, over-dramatic and over-hyped trailers. But unfortunately I don't think it really showed anything going for the game.

 

Comapanies using sex to sell the product: I'd blame the people that buy into it, not the people selling it. If it moves the product of course a company will use it. 'Business Ethics' is an oxymoron.

 

The Game in Auburn was the size of a furniture store with lot's of empty space and barely had anyone in it. Every EB i've ever been in is the size of regular kitchen. Good example of the business strategies of each company.

stenchlord
stenchlord

First time I've listened to this podcast and while it was entertaining, I think you need to work on not saying "ummm" and "aahh" so much.

oflow
oflow

wall of text crits you for 50k...

Joshuatree25m
Joshuatree25m

Here's some info regarding the 38 Studios stuff from one of their staff. The amount of copies to sell was not 3M The governor lied. The staff said it was no where near that many copies. Here's something posted today that I'm getting my info from, the employee's comments were taken from the comments section replying to the angry RI people who seem ignorant to what was happening.  http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2012/05/sa-editing-schi.html?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:21c8984e-1936-45fb-a908-e094f9a5fe84[QUOTE]so far from true so far from true. wasn't time we needed. Was Chafee to shut up. One local investor said flat out; to much politics so we're going to back out. That deal was sitting on the table nearly done even after Chafee had started his hunt. It paid for many may months of development.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]huh? we playtest the ENTIRE world GAME as a company every week. As in, 300 people log in and play the full game.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Actually, his statements are quite true. I'm happy he has removed the weight of his "advisers" and come forth as the talker that he is known to be. Few things1. 38 Studios took 49 million from a private lender and sunk every penny back into RI economy. What no thanks? 2. 38 Studios has not spent a tax dime yet, but have invested 49 million in your RI economy. Read teh papers. Shops around the studio are laying off and changing hours. 3. Nearly 50 homes purchased, by our staff in RI. 90% of our staff resides in RI. Lots of money being pumped into YOUR pockets and yet, not a tax dime yet. 4. Chafee released extremely sensitive data about ship dates and and company finances. Yes, investors walked away, a few in fact. Most likely to return when the corpse is cheaper.  5. Schilling didn't run this company folks. Joking about how he has a baseball career, and a junior college degree just make you sound silly. There was a seasoned executive staff with teams made up of the best in the industry. Beyond that the company had a board of directors made up of some of the most successful business people around. Investigate before you spew uneducated words talking about how someone else is uneducated or unable to run a business... 6. No matter. You are the folks that get on line and scream from the rooftops even though you have no idea what your screaming about. Nothing Curt or I says will help. or change your mind. If you only took a moment to accept the truth and realize that this literally did not need to happen. 7. My neighbors, friends of their's, post office workers, grocery clerks, mechanics my realtor, my boys school teachers. They have come together to show support for us. We are them: RI residents, dealing witha crappy govt. The only thing we had up pn them was the fact that someone had recently injected $49 million at no cost to the RI taxpayer.  8. There was no cost until now...your first month of unemployment will be $660,000. Not including medical. We had 4 babies due this week. Seems as though 1.125 million and a quiet governor would have saved you tons.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Lastly, here is how the bounced check went down.  Us: Hey Gov, we're about to close a deal. Where are those credits we need them for payroll until this deal closes? Gov: Oh great, yah, we'll get the tax credit processed. and we know you don't have the 1.125 mil so we'll do a swap. You bring us a check. When you cash our check for X then we'll cash your check...ya know, cause after our check clears you'll have the funds to pay us the 1.125 million in addition to payroll. Us: awesome, were in! Hey, why did your attorney just hangup mid transaction. He wont answer his phone. Gov: Dunno, why did you give us a check with insufficient funds.. Us: but ummm, wait...huh? It was that very moment that cost 400 people their livelihoods and you the tax dollars. I bet you didn't go look up a single fact after reading my original post. Familiar with Mr. Corso? Ya think we had a fighting chance with that guy running the show for RI...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Its almost as if you are simply incapable of trying to look at the other side. We had the deals on the table. 2 large public RI corporations decided they did not want to be involved in the politics. You, sir, have no idea how it works. Yes, he needed to be quiet about our private fiances. If you had any understanding of how investing works then you know that revealing that info puts the company in a much weaker position to negotiate a deal. Sure, game industry is tough and getting financing takes time. Th key here is that WE had it. Then Chafee released so much private sensitive information. On top of that he speculated numbers which were different than investor numbers causing concern. we didn't ship 400k copies we shipped nearly 1.3 million copies. How would you see that as an investor "wait, only 400k, but they said 1.3 million in the meeting...I'm backing up a bit". Do you not have it in you to consider a full story before you open your mouth?[/QUOTE]

vivalatour
vivalatour

oops I thought this was about a good game like Sleeping Dogs !

robbiejones
robbiejones

i shop at ozgameshop they reward u for each purchase. i got dragons dogma for $49.95 cause i used a $10 voucher :)

jomipira
jomipira

People do have a problem with sexual images. Humor, fear, sadness, simpathy, or almost any human emotion or behavior is acceptable, but sexual desire it's a big problem. I never understood why is it such a thing between adults. Everybody has sexual feelings, a lot of our adult life revolves around sex one way or the other, but a sexy image causes a lot of backlash.

davedrastic
davedrastic

Why would you expect Max Payne to be lighthearted.

 

RE: Studio 38. Can we all now learn that governments need not invest in game development. Of course there would be a public relations disaster if the company went pop. A $5,000 grant for a independent release is one thing, but $75 million. Nuts.

 

Why so sad about the closure of yet another failed developer. They're paid employees, they're not magic pixies. Closure of developers of unprofitable games is just the nature of our global economy.

 

The Techland trailer was funny, but not that funny. It's hardly ground breaking- breaking the fourth wall is no longer new. Of course game trailers are formulaic. Techland were smart to have fun with their trailer because the game appears to be completely derivative - it looks exactly the same as Nail'd - which Techland developed and which I liked quite a lot. By the look of it they don't have anything particularly new to the genre so what else can they talk about. They're using social media effectively but beyond that it's not that exciting. I'd imagine that the game will be fun.

 

Actually I do think that the trailer is misleading. It said 74 fps I think - I thought that was genuine. I thought that it was hyping the graphics in terms that i'm not overly familiar with. But seemingly they were "joking" which of course makes their lies perfectly acceptable.I don't think they should be applauded for being deceptive.

 

So they use sexual images to sell cars, magazines, alcohol, soft drinks and whatever else. What's the issue with games. I was in GAME and on the TV they had some advertorial looping with a buxom lady writhing on a bed. Those guys (GAME management) are just stupid and deserve to close - it's a kids and family oriented store, have some class.

 

The problem that i've had with EB has been with trading games They have had particularly good deals and if you take advantage of them they give you an interrogation and make you feel like a criminal. If I want to trade in 2 copies of the game, and you don't have a rule against that, they should let me trade in 2 copies of the game. I should not be required to explain as to why i'm trading in 2 copies of the game - it's none of their god damned business. The staff at EB are just following their local area managers approach which is seemingly to treat their regular customers with derision and scorn, and their focus is to leech off the families that are too time poor to realise that $110 for a game is too expensive.Added to that their lack of support to the gaming industry by presenting consumers with the opportunity to buy pre-owned games they really don't offer anyone anything. They're a bit evil really.

 

Dans suggestion that EB might buy GAME is perhaps unlikely but by no means impossible. I'd think JB would be a safer bet though. But more likely it will just die. People don't want to invest in dead ducks any more.

Joshuatree25m
Joshuatree25m

 @oflow not my fault it wouldn't format the post. I even added the html  and tried hard resetting :(

paulsifer42
paulsifer42

 @Joshuatree25m I doubt anyone but me will read this, but it's nice to know how things went down from an insider.  I REALLY wanted 38 to succeed, game players making a game for game players, and that's what you guys did.  I love Reckoning, probably wouldn't have played the MMO, because that's not my thing, but was REALLY looking forward to Reckoning 2.  I hope this all gets figured out, but it sounds like The Governor did what politicians seem to do best: throw people under the bus to get ahead.  Best of luck man.