The Last of Us PS4 restricted by disc space, not hardware

Naughty Dog discusses the technical side of The Last of Us Remastered.

The PlayStation 4 version of The Last of Us is by and large the same exact game as what was released on the PlayStation 3 last June, only with improved visuals. With the PS4's hardware being so much powerful than that of its predecessor, the challenge for Naughty Dog becomes more a matter of what it actually has space for on the disc, rather than what the system is capable of.

"Our cinematics are now running at 1080p and 60fps, and that involved rendering them all from scratch," explained creative director Neil Druckmann in an interview with Edge (via CVG). "It's interesting that now [instead of a technical bottleneck], the bottleneck is 'Can we fit all this on the disc?'"

Blu-ray discs, which are now used by both Microsoft and Sony's consoles, offer capacities much higher than those of DVDs, but they still don't offer an endless supply of space. Last year, Killzone: Shadow Fall maker Guerrilla Games indicated its FPS could have taken up 290GB had the developer not altered the way it was handling data.

While there will have to be some limit on how big it ends up being on the disc, The Last of Us Remastered for PS4 will look nicer than its PS3 counterpart. Whereas the PS3 version often used higher-resolution assets in cutscenes than it did while you were actually in control of the action, the PS4 version can make use of better-looking assets during gameplay.

"We don't build it with high assets in mind to then port it, but it did give us a leg up," Druckmann said. "If we hadn't done that, we might not have made the call to bring it over to PS4."

Enemy character models that could look blurry at close range on PS3 will be improved in Remastered, as will be the lighting models, according to Druckmann.

Shortly after it was announced, Naughty Dog co-president Evan Wells talked up the quality of visuals gamers could expect in Remastered. "The graphic fidelity has been turned up to eleven," he said. "We've got 1080p, we're pushing the draw distances further, we're creating higher resolution character models, better lighting, better shadows."

The gameplay itself won't be changed for Remastered, but the DLC released for the PS3 version will be included from the start. Retailer listings have suggested the game will cost $60 and be released on June 20, although those details have yet to be officially announced.

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Sevenizz
Sevenizz

Hello dead thread. How'd you get back into my life?

QuadDamage85
QuadDamage85

Final Fantasy XII for X-Box is on like... 4 disc?

RevLux
RevLux

They could always release it on two discs. One disc for all the gameplay and the other disc for just the cut scenes which can be loaded to the h.d. so you didn't have to constantly swap discs. Either way, I can't wait to experience it again. LoU was one of my favorite games of last gen and it's the perfect time to bring It over to the PS4 imo.

DeanoFantasy
DeanoFantasy

Larger game installations and disk space sizes need to improve, we are all entering next gen and this will slow things down if its not resolved soon.

Javier
Javier

I forgot this game was released less than a year ago!! 
At this rate the fun version of Knack should be released in august.

Brando008
Brando008

Anybody think there's a shred of hope for horde/infected mode, or is it just a pipe dream? Fingers crossed that such a mode is added in a potential TLOU2

phloyd74
phloyd74

I'm guessing this restriction wont apply to the digital download then. As others have already said they could include another disk with high res assets that you can install on the PS4 HDD. Solutions solutions solutions...

Halloll
Halloll

don't sell the game on blurays, sell them on HDD, and a special edition on SSD, and a collector edition on flobby disks and casettes. omigoshi'msosmart

limelight022
limelight022

Whatever happened to the 400GB blu ray disc???? Time to get crackin' on that!!!

twinstarnumber1
twinstarnumber1

Sounds like a cop out excuse.  Clearly there are many ways around that issue, which people have already brought up.  Sounds to me like they just don't want to put that extra effort into it.  If you're going to remake a game that's not all that old you might as well go the full distance with it to set it apart instead of half assing it.  Either that or they actually did run into other issues and don't want to admit it.  Blaming it on the disc when an extra one could easily be added with little extra cost and minimal impact on the game,the game is linear, perfect for multiple discs.  This makes it sound like a quick minimal effort cash grab for them.

midloo
midloo

Because disc space has nothing to do with hardware, kids. 

blackothh
blackothh

they must have forgot that you can use 2 disks

sleepnsurf
sleepnsurf

Can't wait really. Game shared it onPS3  and never finished it. Looking forward to a smoother experience!


tightwad34
tightwad34

So it fit fine on one disc for the PS3, but not for the PS4? Doesn't make sense to me. So much for the rapid improvement in technology. I kid, kind of....

kachan64
kachan64

Can't they just publish the game to the store instead? That way they won't lose anything and people still will able to enjoy the game with the good price that is.

lewishim666
lewishim666

A uncompressed 1 hour prerendered cutscene at 1080p can easily be 10gb+ just look at the size of some of the blu-ray movies that come out. So there isn't much Naughty Dog can do about that. It's not like they can just come up with better compression methods because it's unlikely that they are actually going to use uncompressed codecs for video playback so that means that the video can't be compressed further through traditional means since they are already compressed in some way. That's why what they should do is just use the same cutscenes from the Ps3 version and just make a nice upscaler for them. Or redo the cutscenes over again in engine since they would look better then the old prerendered cutscenes anyway. I couldn't care less if the cutscenes are the same quality as the ps3 or not. What matters is the in game graphics. If they make the actual in game graphics worse because of space issues that will suck. I don't think that's what they'll do. I think we are just going to get cutscenes that are better quality then ps3 but aren't necessarily blu-ray quality. I hope they don't sacrifice effect and texture quality just to make the cutscenes slightly better looking. I would like to play this game again in it's remastered form but if they sacrifice in game graphics quality just to make the cutscenes slightly better then I'm not buying it...right away.

Eyekon313
Eyekon313

Both Shenmue games were multiple discs so I dont see why they cant split up the space.

CANOFOWNAGE
CANOFOWNAGE

It's worrying that the main reason the space usage is higher is due to cinematics. It's the same nonsense on certain pc games where developers don't compress the audio, leaving the install size more than double that of the console version (Titanfall).

insloanwetrust
insloanwetrust

Time for advancement in blu ray discs then. Sony I'm sure you can come up with something.

capernaught
capernaught

Apparently the PS4 has the hardware to support BDXL which gives 100-128GB of storage. Just requires an update after specs are finalized. Technically should work in recently manufactured bluray drives.

KiriharaZro
KiriharaZro

So now its "we make a spectacular improvement in graphics but guess what!? it don´t fit in a bluray disc!, sorry gamers"


I see now why creative leadings are leaving ND

Argent-de-C
Argent-de-C

Im replaying Mass Effect 2 on the 360 at the moment. Thats 2 discs... Final Fantasy VII - IX on ps1, 4 DISCS ! ive never had one problem... getting off my ass for 10 seconds to change a disc. No excuses really for ND. Just use 2 bluray discs.

Prob all down to money and time...

The-Neon-Seal
The-Neon-Seal

So use multiple disks then. That's what they did on the 360 with Star Ocean and Mass Effect 2/3. Oh, and the Bethesda RPG GotYs. 

Poltergeist13
Poltergeist13

I remember Final Fantasy games coming out on like 3 and 4 discs, I didn't have a problem then about it.  I like good games even if they come on 10 discs.

de-astroturfer
de-astroturfer

The last of us is a great game but I wish these developers would stop bloating the file size with pre-renderd cut scenes a) it wastes massive amounts of disk space b) its a game not a movie c) these next gen consoles should be capable of producing this graphical quality on their own now.

I make a point of never downloading any game over 500mb on my phone, I don't want to waste storage on a few pre rendered videos, which I will only ever enjoy once, which is what takes most of the space in these games without them most games on smartphones would never go above 500mb. spend less time and money making cutscenes and concentrate on making the game better !  

charlesswann
charlesswann

I call BS on this.  There is no way we need more then a DVD of space for games.  Developers are being lazy.  Sony is just trying to force this blu ray tech on us to sell movies.

noncasualgamer
noncasualgamer

This game just became shovelware . Congrats oh mighty PC wannabe.

RevLux
RevLux

@Javier I found a great deal of enjoyment in Knack. I also loved Ryse tbh. So many gamers love to name drop those two titles in reference to crap games. Yet, despite not being for everyone, they were not at all terrible games. Especially when one considers that they were launch titles.

Karlinel
Karlinel

@Brando008  God, no, please. Would be like adding Gears of War a football (or soccer for US people) mode.

RevLux
RevLux

@tableofjapan It's not an "H.D. remaster" it's simply "remastered." As you said it was already a high definition game. Though the overall graphical fidelity can be ramped up dramatically thanks to the powerful new system. It makes perfect sense when you consider that many PS4 owners never had a PS3. Which meansmany didn't have an opportunity to experience TLoU last gen.

Fernin-Ker
Fernin-Ker

@tableofjapan  


Because alot of people (like myself) were waiting for the PS4 version, and because the internal resolution of the game is typically much less than the bottom end of "true" had, that being 1920x1080. This rerelease will use higher resolution assets internally as well as higher poly count models, more complex lighting, etc.

simon1812
simon1812

@blackothh  Is no brainier! just put another disc in the box, dont know whats the big deal.

N2NOther
N2NOther

@tightwad34 The cinematics on the PS3 version weren't running at 1080p 60fps. It's much larger now.

Somian
Somian

@lewishim666 Uncompressed? blu-ray movies are already ultra-compressed. Talking uncompressed, we'd have 1920 times 1080 pixels times three color channels (with one byte/8 bit each), times 60 frames a second, times 3600 (to get to an hour)... That's about 1251 GB (!) per hour of video. So yes, they compressed the hell out of these videos ;)

the_real_VIP
the_real_VIP

@charlesswann

Good to know you're making a fool out of yourself. I guess there's no reason Battlefield 4 is on at least 2 discs, LA Noire on 3 discs, Grand Theft Auto V on 2 discs, Final Fantasy XIII on 3 discs, Wolfenstein: The New Order on 4 discs, etc.


Microsoft must be on BS too for putting Halo 4 and Forza 4 on 2 discs then.

Carpetfluff
Carpetfluff

@charlesswann One DVD?  Right, so that's why the 360 version of Wolfenstein is coming on four of them. When you bump up the quality of the assets being used you bump up the storage space needed considerably. All sort of stuff affects it. The most recent Sly Cooper game is just under 4GB for the game, but the extra data for playing the movies in 3D bumped it up to 19GB and that's on PS3. 

KiriharaZro
KiriharaZro

@Infinity_Gauntl @KiriharaZro 

So for you a smart comment is "it dont fit on a disc" when many games comes in multiple discs , I see now why the gaming community its been ripped off, because people like you always defend dumbs statements like this from developers that put stupid excuses like this one.

RevLux
RevLux

@tableofjapan @Fernin-Ker Considering there have been a ton of gamers asking for them to bring TLoU to the PS4 I don't really see this as a money grab. Besides, most games are created and/or ported to make money.