Sony pwning preowned PS3 games?

Source: The story first showed up on the screen Gamesradar, with countless others following. The official story: Inquiries into the matter went unanswered as of press time by Sony. What we heard: Anyone who has walked into an EB Games or GameStop to buy a new release has probably heard this from...

Source: The story first showed up on the screen Gamesradar, with countless others following.

The official story: Inquiries into the matter went unanswered as of press time by Sony.

What we heard: Anyone who has walked into an EB Games or GameStop to buy a new release has probably heard this from the clerk: "Would you like to buy a used copy? It'll save you some money." The deal is symbiotic--the gamer saves 10 bucks or so, and the aforementioned retailers take in a higher profit on the transaction.

Publishers, on the other hand, are the big losers in used games sales. First-party companies, in particular those who are launching a system that at $599 is still taking a loss (we won't mention any names...OK we will, Sony), are obviously particularly concerned over preowned games as those pennies slip through their fingers. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo can all afford to take a financial beating on selling systems because they rely on sales of new copies of software--where the real money is.

If a report on Gamesradar is to be believed, gamers who wish to purchase Heavenly Sword or Resistance: Fall of Man will have only two options: pay full price or get the out of the store. The UK-based Web site claims that retail outlets in the country have been told by Sony that selling preowned PlayStation 3 games won't be possible because there won't be such a thing as preowned games.

Confused? According to the report, Sony is adopting a PC-like mentality and only selling the license to play the game, not actually to own it. If users did not agree to the license, they would be left with an expensive plastic coaster.

GameSpot News asked industry analyst Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities for his take on the legalese. "There are only two ways to create a license: Either the user has to agree to the license or the licensor has to copy-protect its software," he said. "In the first case, the user (licensee) has to AFFIRMATIVELY agree to the license. You see this whenever you install software, and a box pops up requiring you to check 'I AGREE' to a long boilerplate license agreement." (Emphasis in the original.) However, such a system would require that each PS3 be connected to the Internet--a lofty goal, even in today's Web-rich society.

The only other way a user license agreement would be viable would be to require the input of a code, just as publishers do in PC software (think Microsoft Office or Adobe products). To do so, Pachter says the PS3 would require a chip (or similar technology) that registers the disc to the console when first run. "I think it may be too late in the PS3 manufacturing process to include such a chip," he says, presuming one already isn't in the machine.

If this sounds a bit familiar, it's because we all went through this late last year. A rumor hit the Net about PS3s not being able to play used, rented, or borrowed PS3 games--for example, each game could be used with only one console. Sony refuted those claims by saying, "PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console."

That said, Sony is notorious for its draconian copyright-protection schemes. Late last year, the company had to do major damage control in the wake of the now-infamous Rootkit controversy regarding digital rights management of its music CDs. More recently, it has come under fire for its Japan-only Portable TV service, which lets users download videos onto their PSPs. However, many who pay money for the privilege have been horrified to learn that the videos are playable only for a certain time, after which even the free offerings reportedly erase themselves. Sony must be tempted to impose similar measures to try to recoup the billions of dollars it has spent on the PS3 and its Blu-ray disc format.

Bogus or not bogus?: Say it isn't so, Sony! No? OK, how 'bout you, Pachter? "The rumor about Sony limiting the resale of used games sounds phony to me," said the analyst.

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miiiguel
miiiguel

I'm a 360er but I don't care about rentals, I like to own the games. I prefer to pay for a game and play to the last line of code of it, rather than play little bits of many. But one thing's for sure the Blue Discs are very costly to produce.

alvarotarazona
alvarotarazona

people this will never happen this is just a fake story made by some fool Most of us by games or rented them so i don't think that will ever happened plus they will lose video rental stores like Blockbuster which buys millions of games every rental store has at least 4 copies of a game this would be insame dont worry.

calanorn
calanorn

Keasy4 this is when common sense kicks in tell me if this rumor sounds stupid "PS3 can't play pre owned games BUT, the PS3 is fully Backward Capable to play PS1 and 2 games in the PS3" this rumor is very stupid and bogus .......................................................................................................................................... ok then keasy4 tell me why game, game station and many other smaller game shops recieved the notification about this if its a hoax someone did it real good because nearly all game shops around england got this.

peeweeshift
peeweeshift

doesnt this mean u cant rent games anymore

BGOATNicholas
BGOATNicholas

Wow you guys are really complaining about the playstation 3 being $600? That is way cheaper than it should be. Maybe you guys forgot the specs on the playstation 3? It "comes" with a 60gb hard drive. A 60gb hard drive for a laptop is around $100 itself... The playstation 3 is hi def compatible which costs alot to make that possible. The playstation 3 comes with 6 USB 2.0 slots. The playstation 3 is WiFi capable and Bluetooth capable. Comes with a wireless controller. And not to mention it can play CDs, PlayStation CD-ROMs, PlayStation2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc (audio side) DualDisc (DVD side), PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, Blu-ray Disc, PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-ROM, and BD. And not to mention the new graphic card NVIDIA is making to make the graphics next generation for the playstation 3. And the ram is way better It will have 256MB XDR main RAM at 3.2GHz, and it will have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700MHz. Come on people the stuff the playstation 3 has is better than most peoples computers. If you cant afford a playstation 3 at this price then go buy a xbox 360. The playstation 3 is well worth $600 and more. Just do some research and check up on what the playstation 3 will be running compaired to the other next generation consoles. And on topic games will go down in price so if you cant afford a ps3 game when it first comes out then wait for the price of it to go down. Why would you wanna buy a USED cheaper version of the game when it wont cost to much alittle while down the road. I wouldnt trust a used game becuase people these days can do alot to cds and who knows what someone found a way to do. You could buy a USED game and put it in and mess up your whole console or get a USED game thats all messed up and wont play right and goto take it back to find out that they wont let you get you money back. Come on people you guys are thinking to much on how expensive it is and not how expensive the stuff thats making it next generation is by itself. If you went to a store and bought all the ram, graphic cards, hard drives, etc.. you would be close to $600 like that maybe more. Think OUTSIDE of the price.

offspringjon
offspringjon

Sony would have to be pretty stupid to go through with this.

barulez
barulez

its a rumor and only a rumor, nothing more

jimbo102671
jimbo102671

Given their recent track record on this issue [Just read the paragraph immediately above the "Bogus or not bogus?" question], I would not be suprised if they do this. Even without a chip, this is feasable. They can have a serial number encoded in the disc and that number is recorded onto the hard drive. This number will stay in the hard drive for eternity, even if you remove all game save data. [The SN will likely be 4K at most so, with 60G on the premium PS3, space is no issue.] Then if you get another copy of the same game at a later time, the system will refuse to play it as the serial numbers do not match. Sony has been receiving a lot of bad press lately. But if (heaven forbid) this is true, it will be the last straw for many Sony fans. This needs to be false in a big way. $600 is too much to pay for something that may not even play 2 different copies of the same game.

xXxVladxXx
xXxVladxXx

Ok, the thing to remember is, that Sony is greedy but not stupid like some other big company that we all know of.

kushster
kushster

sony is sooo desperate for profit, first they spend too much to produce the ps3, then they cant get profit out of it so they put a hefty price on it, and to further boost profit, THIS happens, not surprising...

Keasy4
Keasy4

this is when common sense kicks in tell me if this rumor sounds stupid "PS3 can't play pre owned games BUT, the PS3 is fully Backward Capable to play PS1 and 2 games in the PS3" this rumor is very stupid and bogus

spidey008
spidey008

This wouldn't surprise me. Sony is good at doing stupid things lately.

Hoopin4thelove
Hoopin4thelove

......................................................................................................................................... nijishiho im a sony fanboy, i admit it, i even preordered a ps3 with the price not confirmed, willing to pay most things, if this happens im cancelling my preorder and buying a 360 straight away, and im pretty damn sure im not going to be the only one! sony dont bury yourselves before you start! (select an action below) May 26, 2006 4:14 am PT .................................................................................................................................... they are not going to confirm this now, they will promptly let you know once u bouth there BLOTED OVER PRICED SYSTEM.

Hoopin4thelove
Hoopin4thelove

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Hoopin4thelove
Hoopin4thelove

no retard they were saying why would sony do that, not saying its not true.............they are saying why would they kill them selves

Afro_Samurai
Afro_Samurai

Not to be the materialistic weasel of the bunch.But, in my opinion, I think that used games shouldn't play on the PS3 because it would be kind screwed up if your PS3 starts to "malfunction" because a used games was played one-too-many times. After all that time and money spent for a PS3, I sure as hell don't want anything to "go wrong" with it...

skemaal
skemaal

Hopefully, this is really bogus. This was the consequence in going into the console business. If they can`t handle it, they should just stop then. I`ll keep a close eye on this issue as I buy both new and used. Used usually because a certain game is hard to find, not to save 10$. If they go ahead with this. There will be no PS3, PS4, PS5 etc in my house. Imagine if you bought a movie but could only watch it in one DVD player? Come on...what if, in the future people have 2 ps3 in the house. Say one upstairs and one downstairs. You need to register FF13 and can only play it downstairs because thats were you activated it???? Come on.....

Chrono-Trigger
Chrono-Trigger

this is confirmed false and gamespot needs to update it. gamesindustry.biz.

calanorn
calanorn

those who said its old news like a yr old. it is similar this new though it was recieved by game stockists over the midlands and the rest of england as far as i know. they are also hoping they change there minds as this announcement screws up there trade in and resell rate as much as the users.

allstar689
allstar689

Sony won't do it theres no way they'll just be digging der own graves

Zane182
Zane182

Said it once, will say it a second time to boot. The price will drop. The Blu-ray is a new format it needs time to be launched and have a user-base before the price cut can be afforded. And it will get that user-base, the initial units will sell out as every new console's usually does. There are just under 7 months until launch day for the PS3, hopefully some positive announcments emerge between now and then.

ravenator529
ravenator529

I just can't see Sony doing something like this. If so, it would be a horrible move. Most of the games that I own are used. I only buy new when the urge to play is just way too overpowering to wait for a used copy. I can say for sure that if this is true (which I doubt it is), I will be the proud owner of an X-Box 360, Wii, and a PS2! Sony, is just bringing bad news left and right. First you hear rumors of the company losing profits as a whole. Then you hear rumors of a $600 system (which ended up being true). Then you think that Sony is going to be the hot commodity at E3 and IMO Nintendo busts down the door and shows Sony that you don't need high powered graphics to rule in the next generation of consoles. Of course the PS3 is going to sell, but how many people are going to be willing to drop that much money on a system when now we hear the Wii will debut under $250 and X-Box360 will probably have a price drop that cooincides with the release of the PS3? Its hard to have faith with Sony at the moment.

nijishiho
nijishiho

im a sony fanboy, i admit it, i even preordered a ps3 with the price not confirmed, willing to pay most things, if this happens im cancelling my preorder and buying a 360 straight away, and im pretty damn sure im not going to be the only one! sony dont bury yourselves before you start!

pooleo85
pooleo85

I cant see this being true, not wanting to add to the fanboy debate as i am not one. If they tried to pull this lil beauty then for independant retaillers there would be no way that they could afford to stock the PS3. All the money that independant retaillers make is made on the back of pre-owned goodness. Its their way of life, and the only way that they can make any sort of real profit. They make very little on the games, and nothing at all on the systems - maybe some small commission. Its not viable for sony to do this, as it would help put independants out of business - and chances are that they would boycott the PS3 as protest. this one has gotta be BS. I own an Xbox360 and am amazingly happy with it. Xbox Live is the best thing to happen to console gaming since 3d. Cant wait for the wii either. should be fun fun fun...

Narwaffle
Narwaffle

Sony shoots! And they miss. Psssh. Defiantly won't be buying one.

calanorn
calanorn

guys those of you who know me know im not a 360 fan boy but i dont like the ps3 either i cant stand blu ray either lol im a pc gamer but when i went to get hitman blood money today they had jsut got the news at game. and i was truly shocked that even sony would be bold enough to impose a ban like that on reselling rentals etc. my friends work there so im very nose when the manager gives them the daily news lol but i may have misheard that part as ive not seen it printed anywhere but he also said it would affect returns policy aswell. he said something along the lines of the same sort of licencing as half life 2 you enter you serial key and then download something to authorize it that would mean if your disk was faulty you would need to return it to sony not the shop since sony will actually own the disk and the consumer jsut the licence. but as i said the first part of my post is solid fact from the managers mouth swear on that the last half although he was on about returns and licencing resembling half life 2 i cannot be certain about.

pale_fire
pale_fire

Had to comment on this post as I work in IP "Savageneil1 Idiot "Publishers, on the other hand, are the big losers in used games sales" Because Used games appear out of thin air and no one actually pays for them. Idiotic. The Big losers in used games are consumers. They save a few bucks and gain what? The strong possibility of a defective game that someone returned. or a Sub Par game that someone didnt enjoy. *As has already been pointed out, buying a secondhand game from a shop is protected by consumer laws (certainly in the UK- sounds like in the US too) if it doesn't work, take it back, exchange it. Goods have to be fit for the purpose for which they were sold.* This is Moron Jibberjabbish. It also seems to imply that there are no USED PC games.Which is just as stupid as the idea that User Agreements didnt already exist on games. *There are loads of used PC games + most of them can be sold on so long as they're only installed on one PC at a time* I hate to hurt anyones heart on the matter. But the companies that distubute the games dont own them. So why should you? *You appear to have misunderstood who owns what. Distributors have the right to distribute the publishers games. What a consumer buys is a single entity of a creative work. You should be entitled to sell on that single work as you have bought the rights to use and enjoy this single work. You haven't bought the right to copy or reproduce the game or book, that's piracy. User agreements aren't formed under IP in the UK, they're formed under Contract Law.* Its the Companies that made the game that own it. Thats how copyright works. And you Pay them for the ability to USE it. Just like a book. You may say you own "To Kill a Mocking Bird" But the realty is you have paid to read it. *That's just wrong, you've paid for the physical book, not for the ability to read it. The waters have been muddied somewhat by the easy reproduction of digital media, but this should not detract from the point that copying and distributing such media is piracy, selling a physical entity such as a book or a game disc that you have bought is not, and shouldn't be analagous.* As to the actual comments in this article.How would that really work? Last I checked the PS3 Didnt have a blu-ray Burner on board so how could the BR-DVD ever be identified with a specific PS3? A chip on the board identifies the game to the system, yes. But nothing can identify that Game to that system. Barring some online connection. And I some how doubt theres enough memory in the world to store every PS3 and Every Games ID code on some Online server that sony would run. *If you want to see how it would work, have a look at Sony's patent on the technology in Espacenet, rather than just guessing* That wouldnt cost them a heck of a lot more then used games do. Cause Used games are already successful to them in the first place. After all, I repeat USED GAMES DONT JUST POP OUT OF THIN AIR! *I can agree with you on this, Used games have been bought once, a thriving used game market would seem to suggest a thriving new games market*

XTheRipper
XTheRipper

Nope, Sony denied this rumor. ^^

nsuck_851
nsuck_851

This Would Be the Worst Sony could do! I mean think about what if something went wrong with your PS3 and you had bought like 4 games for it and then something stoped working or it blew up or something you wouldent be able to use any of them and be forced to buy a hole new PS3! and games! If this happens I for one WONT BE BUYING A PS3!!!!!! :(

sizzlingdviper
sizzlingdviper

Well I buy most of my games pre-owned for both my PS2 and 360 from gamer shops and E-Bay and usually save wads of cash and have rarely had any problems with faulty discs.The most I usually pay for a game is bowt

supercrap1
supercrap1

Wow Sony. I'm speechless. Do you really, really, really not want me to buy a PS3? That must be it! You REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY DON'T WANT ME TO BUY A PS3!! Great job, guys.

n00bslayer
n00bslayer

well if we ALWAYS buy used games than the game companies wont make that much money so that would mean they might not have enough money to spend on future games to improve things like A.I. and graphics

jstarzyk
jstarzyk

What about rentals then?

dude_12
dude_12

hey i dont care b/c i usually buy the game and never sell it back anyways i still have my n64 and every game i ever got for it

pipefitterrome
pipefitterrome

I don't think it's true. Bad marketing scheme if you ask me. I mean, I'm already pissed off I can't trade in my PC games.

Slifer2909
Slifer2909

@ all the people who are treating this as confirmation that this will happen Please Remember this is a RUMER.. Meaning there is no Evidence that it is true... so stop treating it like it is confirmed (P.S...i am not a sony fanboy i acutually plan to buy the Wii First... Its just i get tired when people go off the deep end and start complaining about something that isnt confirmed... that and when console fanboys use these types of things as an excuse to bash the other consoles)

smeginthehead
smeginthehead

If the do this I certainly will not buy a PS3.

TacoJelly
TacoJelly

Do it Sony, I dare you... It'd be quite a thing to see a rampage of nerds that missed out on a copy of one of those "underappreciated titles" that only got limited printing

shammyf86
shammyf86

hahaha another reason not to buy ps3.........

Zane182
Zane182

I see too many people here that have no idea what section they are in. Let me remind you .... RUMOR control. This hasn't be confirmed as true. And to be quite honest it probably isn't. Rental industry is booming, a lot of people like to rent before they buy. Sony know this. Xbox360 has been out for about 6 months. Sony are going to be carefully watching their every move, as are Nintendo. Both Sony and Nintendo have time to react to consumer needs, and both will be reacting right now. PS3's current price point makes sense. the Blu-ray format is NEW, and its high-def 50gb a disk format right out of the box. Once there is a user-base that price is going to drop. Most people who own ps2's with a lot of games that want a next-gen will trade their ps2 in for a ps3. When Microsoft support HD-DVD for larger data gamers will need to buy an add on. And it'll be compulsory to play the second wave of games most likely. As was the transition from CD to DVD with ps2, except Ps2 supported DVD out of the box. This "licensed" thing is nothing but a rumour stirred up by a random analyst or a Microsoft Employee. Sony made the major announcements at E3 as did the other 2 companies. I'm not a Sony fanboy. But from a wide look some of their moves do make sense and I'm pretty sure the price will swiftly drop as the Xbox's did last-gen when it had a user-base. Bottom line is the pre-owned thing will be false, dosen't make industrial sense.

Frylock
Frylock

No way... While I rarely buy used games, I do rent. In fact, there are a lot of games that I have bought after renting first that I wouldn't have otherwise. And selling to things stores for resale is a part of many businesses. Cars? Jewelry? Comics? Collectibles? Why aren't those industries having a fit? Because in the long run, it's good for business. Buying something used and enjoying it can lead to someone wanting to buy the next new model/sequel/brand when it comes out. I'm going to have to go with this rumor being bogus, because I don't think that Sony is that arrogant, but I am worried with the current trend of industries trying to control our every action with the product that we BOUGHT from them.

Mowshnan
Mowshnan

So if my wife and I both get a PS3, I can't play one of her games and she can't play one of mine? I'm beginning to think I don't really want or need a PS3.

The_Game21x
The_Game21x

Well, I never buy used games and I rarely rent them so this wouldn't affect me that much.

ApisBee
ApisBee

Maybe some kind of license transfer fee of a couple bucks? There are games that I will never pay full price for because of questionable like. I'm open to a small transfer fee on a used game to play it, otherwise I'd never try something "Strange". I think some money is better than no money...

cdelli01
cdelli01

The more I hear about Sony's marketing the less I like them. This is just getting ridiculous.