Sony: PlayStation 4's early lead over Xbox One is not a big deal

Marketing VP John Koller says he's interested in growing the PS4 install base, not comparing data against competitors.

The PlayStation 4 has the early lead over the Xbox One in terms of worldwide sales, but Sony isn't focused on any advantage it may have today in these early stages of the new console cycle. PlayStation marketing VP John Koller said told CVG in a new interview that the PS4's early lead over the Xbox One is "really not" that important.

Sony sold 4.2 million PS4s in 2013, compared to 3.0 million Xbox Ones.

"We look at it really just introspectively. The '4.2 million' number is important because it gets us further towards our goal," Koller said. "And that goal is the largest install base we can possibly get--to encourage publishers and developers to continue to make great game experiences for PS4."

As you would expect from any competitive business, Koller acknowledged that Sony examines PS4 sales data relative to the Xbox One. But this isn't Sony's focus, he argued.

"I mean, sure, we all look at the competition and see where people are, but for us we've got to keep growing, getting bigger and bigger," Koller said. "I think we've got a great opportunity specifically because we've got a great product."

Also in the interview, Koller said just because Sony is rolling out the fully digital PlayStation Now service does not mean the company is any less enthusiastic about the state of physical consoles.

"We've been very open and bullish on physical consoles. So I don't think PS Now necessarily disenfranchises future consoles in any way," Koller said. "But it does, I think, show our willingness to try and focus on content as primary."

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

Discussion

1142 comments
augustine777
augustine777

He might mean that being ahead is not as important as dominating or winning significantly the next generation console war.  The PlayStation 4 has sold 40% more console than the Xbox ONE by December 30, 2013 so that is an important milestone.  Sony is doing everything right by releasing a powerful gaming device and build an innovative next generation online gaming experience.

Stepn2myworld
Stepn2myworld

"PlayStation marketing VP John Koller said told CVG in a new interview that the PS4's early lead over the Xbox One is "really not" that important."


And his nose grows exponentially.

slainta
slainta

Basically he is saying: The competition is irrelevant, what we care about is World Domination. ^_^

jcknapier711
jcknapier711

I think it's important because the perception is now that the PS4 is more popular and more publishers are more likely to make games for PS4 than Xbone.  Which means that gamers are more likely to hop on the ps4 bandwagon when there are more games there.

Tremblay343
Tremblay343

I dunno it seems very important to a lot of the 12 year-olds reading this article.

Snakepond1
Snakepond1

Imagine if we lived in a world with no Mario or Master Chief. Imagine the multiple versions of knack we could play. What a world it would be.

plater22
plater22

Game - PS4

Set - PSNow

Match - PS5

Game over

megakick
megakick

At the rate Sony is adding pay to play services $$$ won't be long till the lead is going

Descemator
Descemator

personally....I think all the systems are pretty good. I have a wii u and have played on an xbox one. (haven't tried ps4 yet sadly)


i really like the Wii U and i think it will do decently once it gets a couple of exclusives.


The xbox one is fine and plays pretty well from what i have seen but there aren't that many confirmed exclusives for it that would convince me to buy it right away.


The ps4 has a few exclusives that im rather pumped for. inFamous: Second Son being one of them.


and for those saying that such and such a console is gonna die out, its WAY to early to say anything like that. We have so few games out right now that its practically impossible to say which will do better in the long run.

Either way, shouldn't we just focus on playing games and talking about the ones we like instead of bashing people for liking something different than you?

TheExxorcist
TheExxorcist

It's not a big deal... it's great that devs realize it's popular and worth the time... But the Xone is great console as well.. I currently own a PS4, and I love it!

Millions of people will own consoles. That's what keeps the gaming industry alive. That's all that matters

bluefox755
bluefox755

Sony has mastered the art of backdoor bragging.

Ayebang
Ayebang

Hay ps4 will include digital functions that ps4 fanboys used to say no need for game console in xb1.

Did u remember that. I would here many anti xb1 will say really on this issue.

Gamespot is a real propaganda of ps 4.

sambucca
sambucca

For the Xbots whining about the X1 not being available in as many markets as the PS4, let's break it down logically:


Lets just focus on the territories where BOTH the X1 and PS4 are available, namely North America, Europe and Australia. The PS has sold through 2.1 million consoles in North America, 1.6 million consoles in Europe and somewhere between 100 and 200k in Australia. I have to admit that I'm guessing with Australia because no one has published sales figures for that region, but given the population of that country and based on how the PS3 did there, I think my estimate is reasonable.


These territories alone account for 3.8 to 3.9 million of the PS4's global sales tally. That leaves between 3 and 4 hundred thousand sales in the remaining territories where the X1 is NOT available, tiny markets like Oman and a handful of South American countries. So theoretically speaking, if the X1 had been released in the same amount of territories as the PS4, its sales would tally around 3.3 to 3.4 million. However, I'd expect the X1 to do about half as well as the PS4 in those smaller markets because, lets face it, no one is really interested in the X1 outside of the US so we'd really be looking at maybe 3.2 million?


The reason the PS4 hasn't sold more is because it's supply constrained. It would have sold way more than 4.2 million if more had been available. Demand for the X1 however has slowed right down.

laxwiz
laxwiz

I thought the numbers were closer, unless these reports are from pre-christmas?  Either way, I find it rather interesting that in my recent shopping adventures, I am able to still buy an Xbox One at many different retailers, but I can't find a PS4 anywhere, did they not make as many as the very ambitious Microsoft???

captainMorgann1
captainMorgann1

this is what we in the real world like to call a stealth brag. See any athlete who just broke a record "what record ? oh i didnt notice, I was just focused on winning the game" They knew damn well lol. Sony wouldnt come out and say its not a big deal, they would just ignore it cuz guess what its not a big deal

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

I think I get where the guy's coming from.  Given how sluggish the PS3 started off, that early number is encouraging because it makes 3rd parties want to put more games on it, which helps sell more consoles, etc etc.  Basically, getting off the starting line is SUPER important.  Hell, look at the Wii U, which couldn't reach the numbers in a year that Sony have achieved in 3 months.

WolfGrey
WolfGrey

@Stepn2myworld 

It was kinda a given to happen so i can see how it wasn't that important to think about.

blackace
blackace

@jcknapier711 3rd Party will make games for both consoles. As most of them sold hardware faster then any other consoles released in the past 7 generations. There will be tons of games on both systems. The Xbox 360 has more games then the PS3, yet they sold about the same amount of units. So in the end it till be irrelevant anyways. It'll be up to Sony & Microsoft to drum up more 1st, 2nd and 3rd party games onto their systems.

collingtonuk
collingtonuk

@jcknapier711Its probably not important like it used to be when the hardware was very different between consoles and publishers had a real decision to make if it was worth rebuilding it for another device. Now that the hardware is essentially the same that issue is largely gone, most games will come out on both.

plater22
plater22

I don't understand that language you're speaking. What is wrong with digital?

plater22
plater22

Don't waste your time, I broke it down perfectly and they just stop reading once it hurts their feelings and they realized they wasted 500. At this point they start to talk down to you like your wrong, yet they support no evidence

Ayebang
Ayebang

What evidence does it show xb I is slow down ? Ps 4 fanboys...

Just show the real evidence, not talk. Talk is cheap.

tigress666
tigress666

@laxwizNo, they have to be making more than what xbox's are selling or they wouldn't be selling more numbers than xbox's ;). You can't sell what you don't have and they obviously have more PS4's than what xbox's have sold as they have sold those PS4s.

plater22
plater22

Most people are smart and just know that a more powerful machine will be better to play games on.

The ignorant ones ignore the specs and pretend they know what they are talking about.

This is the reason my xbox one is a big ass paper weight. It was given to me for free by my job and I still don't use it. Maybe if an exclusive comes out that I want to play but I doubt it.

And no, you cannot find a ps4 anywhere, while stores have tons of Xbox. Maybe Microsoft did make more but they still have sold less.

DaRq_MiNoS
DaRq_MiNoS

@captainMorgann1 Well if he's asked in an interview what he thinks of the sales numbers, this is the classiest reply he can possibly make.  He was in an interview with CVG.  The question was:  "Xbox One hit 3 million in 2013. PS4 did 4.2 million. How important is the sales lead to Sony this early in the console cycle? Is it a big deal?"

amar1234
amar1234

@captainMorgann1 


ye true but it also comes across as nervousness and graciousness. Liker when someone gets a really awesome job ahead of so many others, but realises that the employer could any time realize they do not like them and sack them. So they try to be as gracious as humanly possible, so as to not to get any bad juju.

rahl247
rahl247

@YukoAsho yup and allot of companies are not maken games for them they get on xbox1 and ps4 but not wii u. lets be real here 3 mill and 4 mill are huge numbers all that means is that both systems sold well

Stepn2myworld
Stepn2myworld

@WolfGrey I don't agree that it was a given that PS4 would sell more units that Xbox One.  While Microsoft clearly got the most negative press because of Xbox One's initial requirement to be always online among other things, they ultimately changed course. 


I still believe he is lying. John Koller is a Marketing VP. All he does is look at numbers and then says the early lead is not that important? In addition to being happy about having the early lead, he is interested in pushing that lead higher. 


Just keep it real or keep quiet. 

augustine777
augustine777

@collingtonuk @jcknapier711 - The hardware is not the same.  The PlayStation 4 graphics performance at 1.84 TFLOPS (teraflops) is 50% more powerful than the Xbox ONE at 1.2 TFLOPS. The PlayStation 4 is running most third party games at 1080p @ 60 fps (frames per second) while the Xbox ONE is running most games at 720p @ 30 fps. That is why 40% more gamers are buying the PS4 than are buying the Xbox ONE; and besides, the PS4 is $100 cheaper.

tigress666
tigress666

@collingtonuk@jcknapier711Very true, buy it is nice for Playstation owners that it will make it hard for MS to pay for a third party exclusive (it will get more expensive when they will miss a larger market by not making a game for it). Also, for the dominant console it will probably get the better versions as they'll focus more on it and less time on the port for the other.

tigress666
tigress666

@AyebangThe fact it no longer is selling out? PS4 still is selling out and only now is showing some signs of maybe slowing down (and don't say it's cause Sony is sending less, the fact that they are outselling xbox in each market says that they are still supplying more than MS is selling). Xbox was showing signs even before Christmas even in the US and definitely in the other countries (most other countries you could find an xbox easily even day one).

plater22
plater22

I actually did show evidence if you actually knew how to read, I have a big post on this page, everything I said you can look up for yourself. That is usually called evidence genius.

plater22
plater22

Just wait till ps now and you will see how slow xbox sales become. There may only be one more gen for Microsoft after this. If that

sambucca
sambucca

@AyebangIf talk is cheap then you should be able to afford some proper English lessons.

tigress666
tigress666

@amar1234@captainMorgann1I'd rather Sony stay nervous. We saw what happened when they get arrogant ;). Nervous Sony likes to make gamers happy cause they want all their business.

tigress666
tigress666

@rahl247@YukoAshoWii U has a lot of problems, initial sales were only one. From what I've been reading recently, Nintendo were idiots about 3rd party support, at least before they launched the Wii U which probably left a bad taste in a lot of developers' mouths (Nintendo needs to realize that yes, it's good to have 3rd party support). 

Also, when designing the machine they really needed to make a choice, do they make it really good for third parties and competitive with Sony and MS? If so, they can charge more. But they went with the we just want people to buy our machine for our games. Fine, but they should have aimed for a smaller price tag, people aren't going to pay as much for a machine that doesn't do as much. 

For that alone the Wii U is already hard to save, the hardware is damning it (too expensive to price cheaper, but not competitive with closely priced machines. 50 bux more and you get a machine that will do a lot more games eventually. Same price or even cheaper you get a machine that has a helluva lot more games and about similar graphics quality).

I think at this point Nintendo should support Wii U for those that already bought it but hopefully should be working on their next console. And they need to either pull a Sony and really work with developers and make it known how developer friendly they've gotten (get developers to speak for how well they liked it) or they need to aim for a much cheaper price tag.

plater22
plater22

Except xbox already sold to its main market and you can still find consoles. Sony has yet to release to their main market. Sony will leave the xbox far behind it. There is no debating it. If you don't agree just wait and watch.

And after psnow is released, lots of 360 owners will be going with ps4 since Microsoft offers you nothing.

This will happen for sure

Stepn2myworld
Stepn2myworld

@augustine777 Maybe lying is the wrong word choice, as it suggests he is intentionally deceiving us. 


My point is that he/Sony cares about the lead even if he deflects by saying it is really isn't that important.


One of the hardest things to do is close the gap on a deficit. Getting off to a good start as both consoles did, is really important. Being in the lead and staying there is more important. Even though it is early, ask Microsoft where they would rather be? 


In early Xbox 360/PS3 console battle, 360 had the clear advantage, costing $100-$200 less depending on the model. While PS3 was eventually able to make up the deficit, it took years to do including a price reduction.


In the end though, it is just my opinion. I'm not criticizing a fellow poster. I simply commented on Marketing VPs statement. I probably respect it more if he had said, "The lead is important and we want to maintain it buy giving people the best possible experience."

augustine777
augustine777

@Stepn2myworld @WolfGrey - you are wrong to say that he is lying and you are not reading his statement correctly.  He did not say that it is not important but that it is not "that" important.  That makes sense. Being ahead is not as important as the margin by which they are ahead.  Sony has always been ahead of Microsoft in terms of rate at which their consoles are purchased.  The PS3 was released 1 year after the Xbox 360 in the US and 1 1/2 years after the Xbox 360 was released in the United Kingdom, and yet the PlayStation 3 has sold more units worldwide than the Xbox 360.  So try not to act too smart and come out looking bad!  Even when you are correct, a little humility would help.

sjawz3288
sjawz3288

@sambucca @Ayebang Thank you for stating that. Unfortunately it is true. I wish I had the money to pick up an XONE because I see them EVERYWHERE. I even spotted a few new Day One editions in my local walmart. I have yet to see PS4 stock anywhere except a local SONY store who was only selling bundles before the holidays. 

sambucca
sambucca

@Ayebang Also, you only have to walk into your local game store and see Xbox One consoles collecting dust, whereas you can't find a PS4. Demand for Sony's console is much higher. This is also backed up by VG Chartz, which also demonstrates a slow down in momentum for the X1 everywhere except the USA.

Now go away, learn how to string English words together and then put forth your argument in a form everyone can understand. Nobody here understands what the hell you were on about when you said something along the lines of Gamespot being "real propaganda of ps 4"


Imbecile.