Sony: Native 1080p allows you to “be a better gamer”

Sony president Shuhei Yoshida and PS4 lead architect Mark Cerny argue that developing games in 1080p "makes a difference."

by

One of the most divisive elements for gamers surrounding the upcoming launch of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One revolves around screen resolution, especially in games like Call of Duty: Ghosts. The Activision shooter runs at a native 1080p on PS4, but only 720p on Xbox One. Speaking with Sony president Shuhei Yoshida at a PS4 review event in New York, he said that there’s a practical reason developers aim for 1080p: “I don't think any team is just fixated on 1080p, it's just one of the options...but [1080p] games allow you to be more precise and a better gamer. That's clearly the benefit.”

Yoshida offered an example focusing on Killzone: Shadow Fall. “You immediately notice the difference compared to playing most games on PS3, like [the original] Killzone which was rendered at 720p. You can clearly see the enemy in the fog, and with the accuracy of the DualShock 4 dual analog sticks, you can aim and shoot at enemies with pixel-perfect accuracy.”

Posing the same question to Mark Cerny, lead architect of the PS4 and director of Knack, he said, “Resolution does make a difference. One point of confusion is that people say, ‘Oh, you won’t notice the difference because you can’t resolve individual pixels unless you’re very close to the TV set.’ But even if you take a 1080p image and scale it down to 720p, it looks better. That’s called supersampling. It’s a very specific quality graphics technique.”

“In Knack, for example, there is no 720p mode,” he continued. “If you’re playing on a 720p HD TV, we’re just scaling the 1080 down, and it looks better than if we had produced that image at 720p. All of the details of the scene are much more visible as a result.”

But for some games, higher resolution can come at a cost. For the PlayStation 4 review of CoD: Ghosts, Giant Bomb editor Jeff Gerstmann wrote that he experienced “a handful of noticeable dips in its frame rate.” However, GameSpot reviewer Shaun McInnis didn’t experience similar issues. Gerstmann wrote later that an upcoming patch from Infinity Ward may solve the issue.

To explain, Cerny said, “Every developer is doing a trade-off between framerate and resolution, and they do that based on the game experience they are trying to create. Typically the fighting games and the driving games want to be at 60 because of the twitch aspects of the gameplay, so they’re much more sensitive to framerate. The other genres then, tend to have a bit more freeform. Specifically looking at the launch titles for PlayStation 4, most of them are at 1080p. There are a variety of framerates.”

Discussion

2604 comments
RighteousNixon
RighteousNixon

This needs to be the quote of the year. One of biggest lines of BS I have ever heard.

TroyTrojanGamer
TroyTrojanGamer

Being 1080P means little in the grand scale of things.  Especially if your like most gamers who have it hooked up to some 720P 32 inch tv.

guitarist1980
guitarist1980

the only possibility that 1080P gives you any advantage is that it will give you a slight larger field of view. And I am not even sure that's accurate.

brande77
brande77

Atari 2600 through NES allows you to be a better gamer. Modern hi-res graphics don't teach your mind/body the skill, precision, and control that old school games did.

Baldes_of_honor
Baldes_of_honor

High resolution just make the games purdy.I'm suprised 1080 isn't standard on everything still

billlabowski
billlabowski

Hmmm, I game at 1440p at around 120fps. That makes me an even better "gamer" lol. I can't wait for 4k.

parissuleyman
parissuleyman

1080p makes you a better gamer, why not mention the framerate issues the ps4 version of cod ghosts is having because it's in 1080p. Surely framerate dropping in and out especially on multiplayer can't make you a better gamer?

Fandango_Letho
Fandango_Letho

Want to make me a better gamer, Sony? Give me a mouse and keyboard. Or the steampad-thingy. I'm restricted by joysticks when playing shooters, and this sucks. I don't want to rely on auto-aim. 

axsun19
axsun19

Hmm, did Sony just confirm that PC players have been better gamers for the past decade? PC gaming has had 1080p games for years while PS3 players were stuck with 720p games (at best).

Thanks for confirming that, Sony!

Sevenizz
Sevenizz

1080 means nothing with shitty launch games, sony.

Tee_Mal
Tee_Mal

This is actually BS, you could even make a case that smaller resolution makes it slightly easier since pixels are larger, meaning aiming at a big head is easier than aiming at a small head, you'll find a lot of competitive PC FPS players will play on lower than native resolutions for this purpose

Ravenlore_basic
Ravenlore_basic

WOW people are trying to spin this every which way.  

AncientDozer
AncientDozer

I don't think it makes you a better gamer. I think it just makes things pretty to look at. I thought framerate was more important for multiplayer.

Vodoo
Vodoo

Gamespot didn't notice the Ps4's framerate drops because Shaun McGuiness is caught up on the hype train. If he says he didn't get framrate drops then he's lying or didn't play more than 5 mins of the game. Because every single editor that played it had this problem. Is Shaun McGuiness playing on a magic PS4 that's above it's technical issues? They're so concerned about 1080p that they're letting the framerate drop off. Gameplay first people!

thebeachguy90
thebeachguy90

Amazing how no one learned about slow starts from last gen.

Impaler722
Impaler722

Does this mean my PS4 will work?

Vinnvn
Vinnvn

Pls dont talk about 720p.

jeff_t97
jeff_t97

so for those gamers who suck 1080p will change your fortunes.... that statement from sony makes no sense

Robbie20nijs
Robbie20nijs

Wow the president of Sony is saying 1080p is better?... Just before the launch of the ps4?.. Smooth

megakick
megakick

My smartphone has 1080p best picture ever!

Trickymaster
Trickymaster

Silly, Sony. If that were true, PC would be the best platform for gamers.... Oh, wait.

conorhat
conorhat

Well I guess I've been a better games since around 1998 when I first began playing all my games in 1080p. Thanks Mark, you just made me realize why I should stick with my PC instead of a "next-gen" system, because soon Native 4K resolution in a Virtual Reality headset is going to make a real gamer, and 1080p will be for chumps.

dpclark
dpclark

@TroyTrojanGamer 

Yeah.  So, for the next 10 years you are locked into a 720P technology which is already obsolete.  1080p is the next-gen standard.

pogomix
pogomix

@guitarist1980 It's not accurate at all. FOV is a camera thing, resolution is a pixel thing. I think Sony is exaggerating here, though. While a 1920x1080 image on a 1080p display looks vastly superior to a 1280x720 image blown up to 1080p, I think both give you enough information to play a good game.

evret84
evret84

@Fandango_Letho Killzone shadow fall doesn't have auto-aim.....just saying. I don't disagree that a mouse is a more accurate, however i find analogue sticks more comfortable to use while relaxing on a couch, and i really dont want to be forced to use a mouse to remain competitive. unfortunately the new steam controller seems to have the same problem as a mouse that makes it annoying to use (personal opinion) in that you need to lift the mouse (or thumb on the steam controller) to reposition when you reach the edge of the available area. Obviously a mouse is still better for some types of games, but none that i'm overly interested in

roastedzombies
roastedzombies

@axsun19 You PC gamers just can't grasp the advantages of console gaming, only the disadvantages. Sounds kind of closed-minded to me.

conorhat
conorhat

@axsun19 Yes, and they are trying to make a point: When 4K TVs become standard (1 year from now tops, already some available under $1000) then 1080p will be four times lower the resolution. So in one or two years tops, the PS4 is obsolete. You can buy a PC for around $1000 that will run 4K graphics as well as allowing you to connect to Twitch.TV, YouTube and other streams. You can earn money on a PC with only a little bit of skills and work. Computer graphics design, programming, music production, and much more all at the touch of a finger. There's no point being chained to a system that doesn't even compare to a PC built 2 years ago.

parissuleyman
parissuleyman

I know right? Knack 1080p? OMG SERIOUSLY CANT WAIT!

parissuleyman
parissuleyman

Framerate issues on cod ghosts on ps4 because of 1080p.... I'd rather a steady 60fps than 1080p with dogey framerates anyway!

dpclark
dpclark

@thebeachguy90 

Meaning that those who buy the XBone because of maybe one game they like at launch will have to endure their weak system for the next 10 years whereas the PS4 will surely have many games soon enough which are better at 60fps, 1080P

dpclark
dpclark

@megakick 

How much does that smartphone cost you to run each year?  How about getting a regular telephone and use the money saved for a bigger screen?

conorhat
conorhat

@Trickymaster Sony never said PC wasn't the best platform for gaming, did they? They are just stating the obvious for people without a brain.

jarheadalex
jarheadalex

@conorhat What game, Monitor/TV and PC exactly were you using to get 1080p in 1998?

Antarine
Antarine

@dpclark @TroyTrojanGamer Uh, yeah. Sorry for being cheap and poor. Last gen I was stuck with an old 32 inch tube tv until I finally decided to buy a 720p, lol.

dpclark
dpclark

@evret84 @Fandango_Letho

"analogue sticks more comfortable to use while relaxing on a couch"  That's what makes consoles better.  PC games are made for a mouse and a flat surface which means you have to have a desk in front of you while playing.  PC gaming is a solo experience not suited for social situations.

axsun19
axsun19

@roastedzombies @axsun19 No, no. I understand the appeal of consoles, and respect them for the type of machines they are and the audiences they gather.

But consoles are, sorry to say, an antiquated concept. Back in the 1980s and 1990s, computers costed literally thousands of dollars and their main return-on-investment is their ability to do business and advance science simulations. So Nintendo (and all the others) was brilliant to make a low-powered computer that was only a fraction as powerful as the real computers but also a fraction of the cost. Normal consumers didn't want the advance computing for work, and they got a machine that just plays games that weren't too cpu-intensive. 

Let's look at consoles and PCs today. Consoles cost $400 - 600. A good gaming PC can cost around that price, AND it can be incrementally upgraded whenever new tech comes out at an affordable price. Consoles are stuck with the same specs for its entire life cycle. And if you look at the specs of a console, you will quickly see that it IS a PC but very restricted and not upgradeable.

So my earlier point about how consoles were born from the desire to have a low cost computer that only plays games and nothing else to save on cost is now obsolete because PCs are now about the same price but it can ALSO do your business work and advanced scientific calculations. The price of PCs went down while console prices remained the same, so it only makes sense to get a computer.

Well, I can go all day talking about why I think the PC is better, but lets focus on why consoles are good:

1) Easy software maintenance - The OS is so specific and restricted that there are no viruses or glitches unlike PCs.

2) Games will always run - If you want a machine that will always run a game without low FPS or incompatible drivers, a console will provide that.

3) Majority of gamers own consoles, so companies focus on games for consoles - Console owners end up getting fantastic "console-only" games because the user base is in consoles.

TroyTrojanGamer
TroyTrojanGamer

@conorhat @axsun19 4K tv's becoming standard in one year? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA that's hilarious! Dude, people still upgrading to "flat screen tv's"  and we don't even have real 1080P broadcast yet.  And you seem to be missing the point that sure you can support 4k gaming but you don't have anything to play it on.  There are no consumer level 4K televisions under 55 inches right now and if you bought one of those to play games on enjoy the input lag.

axsun19
axsun19

@conorhat @axsun19 Yeah, I really don't understand the rationale of not including 4K in the PS4 or Xbox One. They know that 4K is maybe 2 -3 years away (tops), but they expect to support these systems for the next 6 - 7 years?

PC games can already run 4K games on a 4K monitor (yes, it requires 4 GeForce Titans and yes we don't have 60 FPS). By definition (pun intended), the PS4 and Xbox One are already obsolete! The new generation consoles have powerful hardware, but it can definitely not handle 4 GeForce Titans. 

This is not a hyperbole, but I really think that a few years before the end of life for PS4/XBONE we will be using 8K gaming on the PC.

conorhat
conorhat

@jarheadalex @conorhat I've been on the computer since 1987 and I can assure you that it has always been "better" gaming according to Mark Cerny. 1998 I was using a 3DFX Voodoo2 @ 800x600  (which was the highest resolution you could get at the time, 1080p came shortly after) on a CRT monitor with over 100 frames per second. Speaking of which, 4K resolution is the new 1080p and the "next-gen" systems will struggle to even upscale at that resolution.

dpclark
dpclark

@conorhat @axsun19 

4K is irrelevant unless you have an 80 inch screen.  Most PC gamers have systems weaker than the PS4.

axsun19
axsun19

@FallenOneX @caddis1181 To be totally honest, a good gaming PC can cost around $700 - 800 if you build it yourself. I built mine for that price and I can run pretty much any game between Medium and Ultra. True, that seems pricier but the graphical fidelity is much higher AND I can surf the net and do my school or business work on it. I think the productivity parts make up for few hundred dollars difference between a PC and a console.

I do understand that it does take more time and knowledge to build your own gaming PC and not everyone can afford the time or money to do that type of thing. But that's why I don't like it when people just argue black and white about whether PC is better or console is better.

I like to think the PC is a custom built hot rod and the console is a nice BMW sedan. The hot rod is great for people who want the power and customization with the time and knowledge to make that work. The BMW is for a family who just wants a nice powerful car that can get them where they need to go while having a comfortable ride. Would the family be happier in a hot rod? No. They would probably hate it. So they are really different machines for different audiences. But just saying that pure raw power will always stay with the PC though.

FallenOneX
FallenOneX

@caddis1181 Because as "great" as PC's are for gaming, they need to justify the money they poured into them.

caddis1181
caddis1181

Why do PC gamers come into console discussions to tout that their PC's are all powerful over the consoles, give it up already.

roastedzombies
roastedzombies

@axsun19 @conorhat If you are loaded then yes, I can see this being realistic. But most people have better things to dump $3000 on then a gaming PC.


conorhat
conorhat

@axsun19 @conorhat 780Ti confirmed to run Ultra HD 4K resolution at a fraction of the cost of the Titan. It's the next-gen killer.

dpclark
dpclark

@FallenOneX @Impaler722 

Exactly why I got out of PC gaming.  It is an unending merry-go-round of upgrades, bugs, driver conflicts, and constant petty spec-mongering.

FallenOneX
FallenOneX

@Impaler722 Yeah, because PC gamers upgrading a graphics card every year or so isn't putting money in anyone's pocket......

FallenOneX
FallenOneX

@McGregor Thanks for being one of the few honest PC gamers out there. 1080p in '98......

McGregor
McGregor

@SpicaAntares @conorhat @McGregor Until consoles allow for a mouse and keyboard interface, I don't see PC gaming ever dying. Reason being is that the controller isn't the best method for RTS style games. The Steam Machine is looking to bridge that gap, and we'll see how it does. But for now, PC gaming isn't going anywhere.

I'm not sure how often you game on a PC, but there are dozens of new games each month. Nearly every AAA multiplatform title comes to PC (if not all of them), and we're even seeing titles that should be console exclusive come to PC (Titanfall).

Maybe PC will never see Playstation exclusives, but it's far from a dead platform.

All that being said, I wouldn't mind an easier gaming experience with a Mouse/Keyboard. I wish consoles would build games with them in mind. It would be easier overall. I'm hoping the Steam Machine really puts their product out to challenge the idea that PC gaming is a pain.

McGregor
McGregor

@conorhat @McGregor I guess I am still mis-reading what you meant. All I see is a post about resolutions. Unless your point is frame rates, at which I agree. They are easily more important than high resolutions.

Valkyrslayer
Valkyrslayer

@conorhat @jarheadalex we are far wayway from 4K being the gaming standart. Most single GPU systems struggle with 4K and SLI systems will never be the standart

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@conorhat @McGregor Forget about Sony and MS Conorhat and build us a console that will do 4K, 100fps for $400. I'm placing the first order, here's my credit card...

Computers were good gaming platform if you had the money to upgrade every components regularly, and had the patience to re-install the OS from time to time, for all the things that got fucked over time. Every time you installed a new game you had to cross your fingers and hoped everything worked.

But nowadays the question is moot. How many new PC games are coming out every year? How many great PC games? 1 or 2, maybe 3 and even then I have doubts. There was a time when every month brought a new great game (not to mention many secondary ones).  That time is long dead and buried. A console is cheap, easy to buy, easy to play games with, without re-installing windows here and there. And you don't have to fight with DRMs, viruses, special hardware needs and so on...

I love PC games. I love flight sims and you can't pry the keyboard out of my hands. But... PC games are close to death... Maybe it's an opportunity for some developers like CDProject and some others but as a true gaming platform... Even MS who should be defending everything with Windows in it doesn't support it...

conorhat
conorhat

@McGregor You entirely missed my point in favor of an argument over semantics. Regardless, a PC has been and always will be a better gaming device according to this article.

McGregor
McGregor

@conorhat @jarheadalex 

1080p didn't come shortly after 800x600. it went to 1280x768, then 1280x800, 1600x1200 (which is what I was playing in ~2002 when Farcry first hit the shelf). After that it was 1440x900. 1080p wasn't really hitting until the 360 launched.

Also, the 3DFX cards were the best on the market, but the Voodoo2 wasn't getting 100 fps on any games back in 1998. I had the Voodoo 3000 and it was probably doing about 50-60 fps on counterstrike. and that was at 1280x768 (which was actually the highest frames you got then).