Sony issues PS3 security firmware update

Mandatory v3.42 update addresses "security vulnerability in the system software," available for download now.

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Some firmware updates offer 3D support, others include XrossMediaBar improvements, while there are those that are more mysterious. Today's 3.42 firmware update falls squarely into the latter category. The update is mandatory for users wishing to access PlayStation Network features, "addresses security vulnerability in the system software," according to Sony's European PlayStation blog. It also follows the release last month of the PlayStation 3's first commercially available hacking device.

The war between Sony and the hackers rages on.

While Sony wouldn't confirm or deny that the v3.42 update disables the functionality of the so-called PS Jailbreak, a spokesperson issued GameSpot the following statement: "Since this is an overall security related issue, we will not be providing further commentary with regards to this case; however, as we always have, we will continue to take necessary actions from both hardware and software to protect the intellectual property of the content offered on the PS3 system."

The PlayStation 3 console was hacked at the end of August by a group called PS Jailbreak, who released a USB dongle onto the international market that also allowed the public to modify the console. The hack made it possible for users to install homemade and pirated software onto the PlayStation 3's hard drive, therefore negating the need to have the original software on disc.

However, sales of the device were temporarily halted by Australia’s federal court until September 3, and then indefinitely banned in the region last week. A Justice ordered all sales and preorders of the device to be delivered directly to Sony Computer Entertainment, whose European and Australian arms had initiated the legal action against distributors of the device.

Both Sony's European and US PlayStation blogs are reporting that the 3.42 update is available for download now in their respective territories. Sony Europe reports no other features as part of the update, and PS3 owners will need a minimum of 168MB of free space on either the PS3 HDD or removable storage media to install it.

Discussion

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Lamesy
Lamesy

@ blackace Certainly piracy hurts game makers economically. But claiming a 1:1 ratio of illegal copies and lost sales is a false extrapolation. There is no formula on the books to determine how many of those 100 friends *would actually have paid $60 in the absence of piracy.* Piracy has become so convenient that people will queue up a list of new releases indiscriminately. The # of illegal copies can suggest where interest is trending, but can NOT produce hard numbers about lost sales.

rarson
rarson

@Kraghil Thanks man, I appreciate the compliments. I do usually try to keep my mouth shut about subjects I know nothing about, or at least phrase my statements in a way that makes it clear that I'm unsure about something. It seems like a lot of people tend to add their 2 cents whether they know what they're talking about or not, and I find that annoying. I hate the spread of misinformation, so I usually try to set things straight when possible. I probably sound like a know-it-all when I comment on a variety of different subtopics in one set of comments, but that's because I've honestly spent a LOT of time soaking up as much information as I possibly can, so over the years I've learned a lot about a lot of things. For instance, tuning cars is a subject I could discuss for hours on end (I've been doing it as a hobby for over 10 years now). I really dislike the meaning the word "hacker" has taken on. I started reading 2600 back in 1995 and it was clear from the beginning that "hacking" was about the search for knowledge. The term has nothing to do with computers; it is a mindset, a thirst for information. I don't even know all that much about computers to be honest, but I consider myself a hacker for that very reason. Of course, even back then, the word was still being abused and misused by media personalities and we all knew it was only going to get worse. I just wish more people understood what hacking was actually about, instead of making assumptions and pointing fingers.

Kraghil
Kraghil

@rarson I think i understand what you're saying mate, I'm kind of the same in making decisions, in the way I try, and I say TRY to make them based on which has the most practical benefit. But One thing i do want to say is that in my opninion, that's the hard thing about it. you can't always predict what would happen when making decisions. it's a form of control, wanting to be able to control things is in human nature but its also an illusion if you ask me. You are able to predict unto a certain degree what would happen when making decisions, but there are so many different factors involved especially when talking about ethical important things that you can't perfectly predict the outcome of your decision. I also want to say, and this may sound a bit weird to you, when you said in your post you came a long way before you acknowledged these things for yourselve, I for one understand fully what it means to think different about something then most people do and then keep true to yourselve and your own opinion, especially when like me you have this urge to express your own opinions and thoughts :) But thats what i found most interesting in the majority of your posts, you keep true to yourselve and what's more important you back up what you say. Some people here seem to base there opinions in what they hear and read. it seems to me, you actually know your stuff. I could be wrong, but that is the impression I'm getting. this topic is getting more interesting by the minute :)

Jebril
Jebril

One thing Sony did take precautions against piracy the PS3 was the last of the curernt gen systems to be hacked, it isn't even actually hacked now. However it is important to note that HACKING a system is PERFECTLY LEGAL. However using that hacking for piracy is illegal. Just like how it's legal to own a gun here but illegal to use it to kill someone. There are MANY uses for hacking a system like the PS3 with a 9 core processor, an amazing graphics card and a bluray player with HDMI output also the console's ability to support Linux. These machines can be turned into cheap super computers with stats that would be from computers costing you 3K at least. The correlation between 'piracy' and 'hacking' is about the same as the correlation between 'Driving' and 'DUI' meaning just cuz one can lead to another doesn't mean that one will guarantee the other. Just cuz I need to be driving to have a DUI doesn't mean I'll be having a DUI because I'm driving. Catch my drift? But yea software should be free regardless, developers will soon understand this when Open Source makes a huge boom this year with netbooks, phones and tablets which it already is. And people are quickly catching on that Linux is the best OS hands down available and it's free.

rarson
rarson

and I'm *sure* different people will have different preferences. Left a word out.

rarson
rarson

@Kraghil I didn't want to get too in-depth on the morality argument, but it's kind inevitable when discussing this topic. I'm an ethical nihilist; I believe that "morals" are simply subjective personal preferences. It occurs to me that most people around me do not consider this to be the case, hence it can be difficult for me to explain my position (it certainly wasn't easy for me to even arrive at such an opinion). If I read your post correctly, it sounds like you understood what I was saying though, so that's cool. By the way, I base my standard of ethics on pragmatism. I base my decisions on whatever outcome has the best practical benefit. Of course, this again comes down to subjective opinions: is it better for me to put my needs first before others, or is it beneficial to puts others' needs before me? Well, that depends, and I'm different people will have different preferences. It's a bit narcissistic, but then again, as an ethical nihilist I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. :)

rarson
rarson

@seriousplayer_d Actually, I HAVE worked in sales, though I have no idea what that has to do with anything. Saying "you're so wrong!" or "lmao!! Clueless..." is not a very good way to structure an argument. @Kage52124 I like to think that any debate is worthwhile, otherwise I would hope I'm not wasting my time by participating. I believe at this point, my arguments have been pretty well explained, so if I haven't given someone food for thought by now, then it's probably not going to happen. I realize that people's personal opinions on console hacking/pirating/filesharing/whatever you want to call it are exactly that, opinions, and won't necessarily change just because of a few internet arguments. So I'm not going to belabor the point anymore. I spend a lot of time gathering information and contemplating the things that I form opinions about. I focus on facts rather than preconceived notions and that has certainly led me to change my opinions a lot. I wouldn't bother presenting my opinion so strongly on a subject like this if I hadn't spent such a long time considering it.

seriousplayer_d
seriousplayer_d

@rarson you're so wrong! i see you don't work in the sales sector. ask everybody in the sales that a illegal copie (music/dvd/game) is one too much.

inaka_rob
inaka_rob

@ Colonel-Snake your a funny guy. Thanks for the laughs buddy. you was... man you make me laugh every time. my students have less of a temper than you. so easy to joke around. you funny guy. take it easy and keep the jokes coming. I cant wait to tell my students about you. yeah. I have a minor in English. but I never could spell correctly. my spell check doesn't always catch the misspelled words. but whatever. thanks for pointing out my spelling error. see you later friend.

inaka_rob
inaka_rob

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Kraghil
Kraghil

@Kage52124 I can only speak about my side of the story, and what I believe in. Though tbh I try to live by one rule when discussing about moral issues like this. no one is unniversally right, we all believe in something, and have our opinions about it. This doesn't mean we are right though. It's just what we believe in. If you ask me it's almost an art form to discuss these kind of things, without pointing a finger at one another, and to answer your question mate, yes I did found some insight in some of the other posters answers, like in one of rarson. he said and I quote " Morality is a bunch of horse ****. It's a way for people to put themselves on a pedestal and think that they're better than other people etc. " This comes back to one thing if you ask me. people believe in what they believe; It's a choice we make, which in most cases has a lot of influences from both society and our own homes and families. I try not to convince people of my own opinions, still i want to be able to tell them and listen to theirs in return. it's called respect and iv'e learned a lot by using this method, from other people as well as myself. by accusing one another, you don't get what you want, wars are started this way. Still I like being able to discuss these kind of things, i learn a lot from them.

Kage52124
Kage52124

This debate seems to come down to "Just because we can do something, should we?" regardless of the context. There are positives and negatives to every technology, the positive would be having a legal backup of the game you bought, the negative being having a copy of something you never bought. This debate also rings bells about the dichotomy of life, in that there must be either a good or a bad, although most would admit that it isn't so binary, but lots of gray (read: analog and not digital). Several hacking sites out there edits or outright bans anyone who mentions wanting to play a backup for the same reason, but they are still hackers. Hacking is not mutually inclusive with pirating, but it can indeed happen. To all the posters: has this been a worthwhile debate about the ethics of technology, or is everyone right where they started, without any insight into the other side?

blackace
blackace

lmao!! Clueless.... Enough time has already been wasted.

rarson
rarson

@Kraghil I have a collection of games that spans 10 systems, and I've even owned a couple more that I no longer have, so I know what you mean. Sadly, I find software today much less compelling than older games, which results in me buying fewer new titles. I spend more time playing the older systems than the newer ones.

rarson
rarson

"Marijuana (or wacky-weed as I like to call it) hurts your body." Actually, it doesn't. It's one of the LEAST toxic things you can put in your body. Less toxic than caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, and aspirin. The brain has a lot of cannabinoid receptors which allows marijuana to have a large number of positive medical uses. I really can't stand when people start making statements about things they know nothing about.

rarson
rarson

@blackace "For every illegal copy of a game made, that's a sale the developers/publishers don't get." No, it's not, and we already covered this. If a person downloads a game that they never intended to buy, then it's not a lost sale. I'm fairly sure my grasp of economics is leaps and bounds stronger than yours.

rarson
rarson

We're talking about copying software here. The majority of the time, it's not a huge loss. Most of the people I know use file sharing as a way to test software out before they buy it. Even with the hardcore pirates, they're not in nearly big enough numbers to wreak havoc on the gaming industry (as evidenced by the $60 billion yearly revenue). What's clearly hurting software sales though is draconian DRM systems that become obstacles in the way of using legitimate copies. What it comes down to is that I don't think it's effective or fiscally intelligent to spend time and money locking down a product to try to prevent piracy from occurring. All these DRM methods will be circumvented eventually and in the mean time, they cause problems for actual customers who paid money for the product, which ends up encouraging piracy. I also think it's absolutely absurd that so many people seem to think that copying software is outright wrong, in any circumstance. If it weren't for sharing software, a lot of products would have never achieved success (Doom, for example). I also still maintain that the gaming industry, like the movie and music industries, needs to adapt to the changing technological landscape and provide a new business model acceptable to consumers.

rarson
rarson

"I've seen inside the homes of a few hardcore gamer pirates. Blah blah blah..." Your anecdotal evidence is great and all, but all I see is you taking a few isolated examples and extrapolating them across a large group of people and making sweeping, unsubstantiated generalizations. So naturally, I'm not going to bother to even comment on them. "Why buy when you can steal is a question of morality that seperates good people from thieves." Morality is a bunch of horse ****. It's a way for people to put themselves on a pedestal and think that they're better than other people. Some people think that going to church is morally superior. Some people think that eating vegan is morally superior. The only thing that all these moral idiots have in common is that their moral preferences are subjective. In other words, there's no such thing as objective morality. It's painfully obvious to even the most dimwitted of individuals by simply looking back and recognizing what was considered "moral" throughout various periods of history. There are certainly practical benefits to certain behaviors, such as not killing people, not stealing, etc, but the preference of whether or not to do these things is still subjective. If I'm in a situation where my life or the life of a loved one is threatened by someone else, and my only choice is to kill, then I will.

rarson
rarson

"When the majority of people downloading are hardcore gamers, that is BULLCRAP." Your conditional statement is BULLCRAP: the majority of people downloading aren't hardcore gamers. I certainly don't qualify as a hardcore gamer. "you criminals" Easy to call someone else a criminal when you're on the other side of a law that you don't mind. Wait until someone makes a law that you don't like and starts calling YOU a criminal. It's a hoot. "there is more than enough evidence that many pirates are not only hardcore games" Well that's obviously complete horse **** right there. "Even when I didn't have much money, I often took whatever scraps, while saved, and saved even if it took over a year just to LEGALLY get a product I wanted." You need to learn how to read, buddy. I already stated that I pay for software that I actually use. "they'd even steal money from banks if they found an easy method." Considering banks have free reign to counterfeit money (creating money they don't have and loaning it out), I wouldn't be entirely opposed to taking some money from a bank. Especially with how skewed interest rates are, but of course these problems stem from the ridiculous monetary system based on fiat currency that we use, not necessarily the banks that play along. Wait, I bet you think the dollars in your pocket are actually worth something. Actually, they represent debt.

blackace
blackace

@rarson You need an education on economics and business. You're nuts if you think piracy doesn't hurt develoepers/publisher in the gaming business. For every illegal copy of a game made, that's a sale the developers/publishers don't get. If you made 100 copies of Starcraft 2 and gave it to 100 friends, that's $6000 that the retailer/developer/publisher don't get. When developers don't get paid, they lose money, which leads to layoffs. With layoff, there are less people to make the great games that we love. Eventually these developers will go bankrupt and no more games will be made by them. This has already happened to 100's of game developers over the past 10yrs. We don't need another game crash like what happened in 1983 --> [url]http://gadgetopia.com/post/3611[/url]. Coping games hurt everyone in the end. Marijuana (or wacky-weed as I like to call it) hurts your body. Both are very bad. That's all you need to know.

rarson
rarson

"How about this what gives YOU the right to copy something you had no permission copying ?" Why do I need permission to copy something? I'm not benefiting commercially from it (I'm not reselling software that I didn't create). I support the creators of the software if the program is good. In fact, SEVERAL times I've bought a game that was either severely crippled or outright broken right out of the box thanks to DRM, and so I've actually had to go download a pirated copy to use the product that I paid for without risking damage to my computer. You've really failed to make any kind of compelling argument for why copying software is wrong. The act of copying it isn't wrong, just like the act of making a mix tape or recording songs off the radio onto a cassette back in the 80's wasn't wrong. It's what you do with it afterward that counts.

Sins-of-Mosin
Sins-of-Mosin

Nobody really cares about games on the PS3 has who wants to download 20-30gigs when you can download a 6gig 360 game and get a better gaming experience? Sure did $ony a lot of good with the PSP didn't it? They focused so much on firmwares they forgot to make decent, non-jrpg, games for it. $ony.. clueless since 2006.

RighteousPlank
RighteousPlank

@Kraghil It's the conscience that lives within us that differentiate and separate us from each other. The pirates does not look at the chain reaction, how far piracy goes, the negative effect it has on everyone, the industry and the game makers. In my view they are just plain selfish. I have never been to a gaming studio before but since I am working so hard to acheive what I need I can just imagine how they feel having their hard honest work stolen and cheated from them. It's gamers like you and I that are the only real gamers left.

GOR_TAK
GOR_TAK

Good luck Sony *sarcasm* The genie is out of the bottle just like Xbox360 DVD firmwares. So unless you intend to update your dashboard EVERY day. The battle is over and you have lost.

Kraghil
Kraghil

@RighteousPlank Again, i couldn't agree more :) The feeling I get when I look at my Collection of 'old' and GENUINE games, well it reminds me of why I started gaming in the first place tbh, it's a feeling I doubt pirates will get when they downloaded yet another game, movie etc. A few weeks ago, I bought a Collectors edition of Bioshock 2, with some cool additions, I suddenly felt like a kid again ^^ And finally to add another reason not to pirate is simply because people at gaming companies, put all their hard work in it, and believe me when i say they do work really really hard and with a lot of passion. (I've been to guerilla studios in Holland for a small tour, those guys are well... just amazing)

RighteousPlank
RighteousPlank

@thumbsdown01x and @Kraghil I agree with both of y'all and to add my piece, personally I believe that there is no greater feeling in the world than buying your original game, because to me as the gaming world change I want to still enjoy my old games in their original state. There's no way you can collect pirate games and have that genuine feeling of doing something right. I have had countless oppurtunities to "modify" my game systems and aside from the fact that it just doesn't feel right it is just not me to do that and the pirating trend is not something that can give me the genuine feeling of working just money and spending it on something I love. Not everyone will share this opinion but who cares really, I mean "to each his own", right?!

RighteousPlank
RighteousPlank

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RighteousPlank

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Kraghil
Kraghil

@ thumbsdown01x Couldn't agree with you more mate. A few years ago I had a car crash, around the time I bought my first next gen console. I was banned to a wheelchair, for a few years, and lost my job because of it. Even so back in those days, when I had the money, I never downloaded any pirated software or games, because to me it equals stealing, and stealing for that matter should be punished. Action, reaction. Thats the way the world works. And even if some here don't agree to it, which i can understand, it's just the way it is. If someone, feels the urge to steal something from a shop, and they get busted, well it's the same thing, they should get punished. But again on topic, I don't have that kind of money now, but still I refuse to download anything pirated. if that means I can't buy new games when they come out, so be it. I choose not to do this, as some of you don't. Can you blame me for it, ofcourse not, thats like saying I can't like the color red, because you don't. Its easy to point fingers with stuff like this, it's far more difficult to remain loyal to your own thoughts and believes. With the difference being here pirating is illigal, and people should get punished for it. If you can't live with the facts of reality, that's kind of sad, but still understandable. Its hard, but thats life!

inaka_rob
inaka_rob

@ sonicmask its called an opinion. grow and don't call people a retard of course I have played dedicated server games on the ps3. uncharted 2 and killzone 2 are amazing!!!! I never said anything about the quality of the console. I am on my 3rd 360 as well. and had to pay for 2. I wasn't happy about that. Microsoft really screwed people with faulty hardware. No one can deny that. i love my ps3. I really do. ME, personally, I have a much better all around experience with my 360. Halo and COD? I dont really see where you are coming from. COD is really easy to play. radar or not. Halo is far more competitive. It does have gaydar as my friends and I call it, but even so I think Halo is far harder to master online that COD. But whatever halo and cod are like apples and oranges. most games have some tiny form of autoaim. If you are any good at halo you turn it off. everyone knows that because it makes it far easy to own people in multiplayer. I want to see if you can respond like an adult expressing your opinion and not calling me a retard by they way. I live all the way in Japan and play all my online games with people in the USA. I have never had lag once in my entire life while in Japan. its kinda a mute point. I find lag tends to start at the source.

thumbsdown01x
thumbsdown01x

I've seen inside the homes of a few hardcore gamer pirates. They get the console, and I see a few legally bought games. 90% of the time, those legally bought games are early or close to launch games (before piracy becomes big.) After that, comes the pirated games. The moment the pirated games arrive, the particular gamer seems uninterested in legally buying games anymore, PERIOD. And from there, the entire game library, even a sequel to a game he liked, is pirated. This seems to continue until the launch of a new console. Yeah, they make sure to get that early. Get a few legal games, until they once again "find out" how to pirate. Then, they could care less about buying another game, due to this simple method. For that reason, I do not buy the "pirates never planned on buying" the game nonsense. Of course, they'd be glad to share with their friends (who legally bought) their way of "free games." Then, there friends tell there friends. I was TOLD about the "free games" method in various places, as well as school. However, I refused to steal. Some even asked; "why" I would spend money (waste money in their words) buying things when I can get it for free. An answer to that question wasn't really necessary. Why buy when you can steal is a question of morality that seperates good people from thieves.

thumbsdown01x
thumbsdown01x

@rarson So not only you pirate videogames, you pirate lots of software? And you seem awfully proud of yourself. Even when I didn't have much money, I often took whatever scraps, while saved, and saved even if it took over a year just to LEGALLY get a product I wanted. By simply pirating everything you come across, not only is it not fair to the people that actually worked hard to get it, it's completely immoral that you have no shame. And as I said, I've spoken to enough pirates personally. As expected, pirates tend to be completely screwed up in the head. Inconsiderate, lack of morals, and they'd even steal money from banks if they found an easy method. Infact, what I think you pirates probably do when you are done hacking, is running scam websites. Malware, viruses and deceiving software to steal money from innocent customers is probably created by you pirates.

thumbsdown01x
thumbsdown01x

@rarson You claim the majority of people downloading illegally wouldn't of bought it in the first place? That is bull-crap. When the majority of people downloading are hardcore gamers, that is BULLCRAP. WHen Xbox pirating became big, many of the people actually pirating are people that legally bought games in the first place, but found a money-saving way. The same garbage occured when Dreamcast pirating became big. Not so much free pirating as this was during the pre-broadband days, but the people on the street or in certain stores selling illegal copies for $10 or so. And finally, you criminals use this "weren't gonna buy it excuse." Yeah, frikken right. The INTERNET is archived, and there is more than enough evidence that many pirates are not only hardcore games (which throws the weren't gonna buy it crap out the window), they even CONVERT non-pirates into pirates very often. I actually don't even need to use the "assumption" garbage you criminals use. Google searching keywords, and forums pirates post on is enough evidence. The excitement brought up for a "release" of the new "big name game X" from much of the community isn't REMOTELY the kind of anticipation you see from people that WEREN'T going to buy it anyway. Hell, right when Dreamcast was released, I didn't have a job, and yet I STILL managed to get enough money to buy the console, and the Sonic Adventure I wanted for over a year.

sonicmask
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Colonel-Snake
Colonel-Snake

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inaka_rob
inaka_rob

@Colonel-Snake you are so thick headed it isn't even funny. this is the last time i will respond to your comment. Your grammar is so bad it isn't even funny "You was the one who... " (did you even go to school?!?!) . If you don't want to look up what a "business model" means on Wikipedia then look in a any dictionary. Either way you obviously don't know what it means. "Sony always had a casual market" sure to some degree. But with the Wii Nintendo had the market cornered. Why are you even bringing up the ps2 or last generation. We are talking about the the ps3. The PS3 has been marketed and has preformed MUCH differently than the ps1 and ps2. and you are being defensive. REALLY defensive. why are you getting so up at this accusation. Copying is what companies do!!! it is the WAY of buisness. Since you don't even know the basic definition of "business model" I don't expect this to sink into your head. You have been rude to me. You have been rude to EVERYONE on this site calling everyone children. You are the one who cant even type correct English. I bet you money if you asked a Sony exec they would say: hell yeah we are trying to move in on the motion control market that Wii has. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!!!!!! That is the way the world works. You invent a car, I "invent" a better one. You make a game system. I make a better one. I really don't get what you are even arguing any more. You are simply being asinine (do you need to look that up too?)

Ansem_Rev
Ansem_Rev

I've read almost every comment on here and all i have to say is simple. If you dont protect your machine against piracy guess what people are gonna do? wait for it ... THATS RIGHT Jail Break it. If you're smart Like Microsoft and Blizzard how they make sure you cant pirate their things without severe consequences like BANing Online play then you have nothing to fear. Let people copy all the games they want I say at the end of the day you own a machine and digital games. It will never beat owning it for real cuz ur modded things will only crash or die one day. So what im trying to say is . Sony deserves this for not taking piracy precautions!

Colonel-Snake
Colonel-Snake

@rarson I already know about society and the forms of manipulation and how it works. I don't need to ask questions I already have the answer to. How about this what gives YOU the right to copy something you had no permission copying ? No my theory is not flawed you have not been caught yet plain and simple and nothing more. Unlike you I take time to think before I do things. Whether you like it or not thats how the world is. Second its not a theory its a cause and affect. You steal expect to suffer the punishment if you get caught. You kill somebody expect to suffer the punishment of that also. This is not a world where we can do whatever we want. IF that happened Chaos would form. Thats why there are rules and regulations in the world. Yes it sucks but thats how the world is.

rarson
rarson

"Thats the way the world works plain and simple. You either abide by the rules or suffer the consequences of your actions like everybody else." "The rules"? Who sets "the rules"? What gives them the authority to do so? I'm willing to bet you've never bothered to ask these questions. The idea of a bad law seems foreign to you. Thankfully, not everyone is as nearsighted as you are, so we have things like courts and amendments to overrule such bad laws. By the way, I've pirated many pieces of software and have never gone to jail, so obviously your theory is flawed.

rarson
rarson

"You are arguing a mute point" THE WORD IS MOOT. I don't understand why so many idiots on the internet confuse the words "moot" and "mute". They don't even sound alike.

Colonel-Snake
Colonel-Snake

@Rarson Thats the way the world works plain and simple. You either abide by the rules or suffer the consequences of your actions like everybody else.

rarson
rarson

"Copying is stealing if the copy is legally owned..." It's not stealing, as I've already explained twice now. Let's say you have a string of 1s and 0s that you've created, and you want to sell it. I am sitting at my computer and just happen to write down a string identical to yours. But your string is copyrighted! You thought of it first, therefore it is YOURS. So I can't legally use "your" string even though I came up with it on my own. That's dumb. Copyright is dumb and outdated; patents, too. Just because you come up with an idea first doesn't mean you should be the sole person entitled to use it. I understand hard work goes into creating code. That's why the owner should be the only one allowed to sell it. However, making it widely available by sharing it doesn't necessarily hurt the developer, and in many cases actually helps them (it's a free method of distribution). "if you copy a game, which is owned by a game company and would normally cost $59.99 to purchase..." What does price have to do with anything? I already mentioned that most software pirates wouldn't have bought it in the first place, so it's not like revenue is lost. "You go to jail when caught" And marijuana is illegal. That doesn't mean that we should deny people the right to put it in their own bodies. "If you copied a licenses book or a $100 bill..." Copying money is counterfeiting, and it's only illegal if you're not a member of the Federal Reserve. Doesn't sound fair to me.

Colonel-Snake
Colonel-Snake

@inaka_rob Listen Like I said before go to the first time I responded to a post you made. You was the one who clearly insulted me for correcting you and then saying I'm being defensive when I corrected you. Second Wikipedia isn't a valuable source try again. And finally third but not least Sony always had a casual market. Did we not learn from Last Generation When the PS2 destroyed the Gamecube and Xbox in not only sales but games also ? The only problem this generation was Sony concentrated towards the hardcore gamers and neglected the casual gamers. Move was made not only for the casual it was made for anybody who wanted motion controls but could not get that experience unless they bought a Wii. Honestly I'm tired of having to argue with children on here. They didn't copy anything honestly. Sony is marketing Move to be used for both hardcore and the casual gamers. They aren't aiming like Nintendo to only Cater one market. I will repeat this 1 more time. Move was made to attract anybody who is into motion controls. Nintendo all they did was target the casual Market and Neglected the hardcore Market. Sony will be Targeting both Markets unlike Nintendo which it always has done every single generation they been into gaming.

inaka_rob
inaka_rob

@Jackmac36 word!! all that matters is that you have fun with what ever system you decided to buy. the only time I ever regret buying a system was the Sega CD. Then I was dumb enough to buy the Sega 32x. Other than that I don't ever really regret buying a system (well I did sell my wii 6 months after I bought it cause metroid 3 was lame and I just cant get into zelda and mario anymore) but made a profit so no regrets really.

Jackmac36
Jackmac36

@inaka_rob Yea, I guess I didn't really word it properly. But whatever. I agree with what your opinion about fanboyism though. Whenever anybody put down the ps3, I would be the first person to stand up and preach how the ps3 is amazing and the 360 sucks, even though I didn't own either system XD. But now I have a ps3, and I really couldn't care less about the console war, because people shouldn't choose between systems based on which one is "better", they should choose a system based on what their personal preferences are. i.e I really don't feeling like paying for my crappy internet connection twice, so I got a ps3. Consider this me high fiveing your outstretched hand :P

inaka_rob
inaka_rob

@Colonel-Snake just look at all the thumbs down your have for 4 of you 5 posts. I think people are starting to agree with me. it is like beating a dead horse. You are arguing a mute point and for 3 posts now we have talking about separate issues. please pay attention.

inaka_rob
inaka_rob

@Colonel-Snake its like talking to a brick a brick wall...I said you were right. are you really that thick that you cant accept that. Let me explain how sony IS copying Nintendo. I have tried to explain it but you just don't get it. this has nothing to do with the technology. first of it didn't take 9 years to develop the move. Sony simply didn't release because they didn't want to. With these companies it is all about business strategy. When they release what. Do you think its just coincidence that the Kentic and the Move were announced at the same time. OF COURSE not!!! With Wii sales sliding, and no new Nintendo system on the horizon it was time for SONY and Microsoft to stop fighting each other because their foothold had become strong enough now for both to turn a profit, and now its time take on Nintendo. To do this BOTH of them are COPYING Nintendo business model. If you still don't know what that means go to Wikipedia. This is what I mean. 360 and Ps3 are aimed at the more mature gamer. The LESS casual gamer. THAT was nentendos buisness model. The younger more casual gamers. THAT is what SONY and Microsoft are copying to try to get a wider customer base. You are being defense because you cant even see that I am not arguing YOUR point whatsoever. I will say it one more time we are arguing two different points. I am saying you are right about your point. and trying to explain my point while you are still whining and about how your are correct.

XanderZane
XanderZane

What!?!? 168MB?? Just curious, after these updates are download and installed is the the original file deleted automatically? It should be. I thought the PS3 was hack proof? The Blu-Ray disc is hack proof, but not the PS3 hardware itself? lol!! ************************************************************** @rarson "Piracy is not glamorous, it's stealing." Piracy is not stealing. Stealing is where you take something from someone, and now you have it and they don't. Piracy is copying. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copying is stealing if the copy is legally owned by someone and this is a binding value to it. So if you copy a game, which is owned by a game company and would normally cost $59.99 to purchase, then yes, it's stealing. You go to jail when caught. The only time a copy isn't stealing is when the copy you've made doesn't hold any value or is a legal property of someone. So if you made a copy of a leaf for example. There's no value in that and it's no one's property, so it wouldn't be stealing. If you copied a licenses book or a $100 bill, it's stealing and it's time to go to jail. Got it!?!?