Sony increasing Blu-ray capacity - Report

Japanese electronics company devises method for expanding PS3's media player format from 25GB to 33.4GB per layer.

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One of the Sony's primary competitive advantages in this console generation is the console's built-in Blu-ray player. Whereas Microsoft's Xbox 360 is often limited by the smaller-capacity DVD format, the PlayStation 3's high-definition media playback standard lets game developers pack up to 25GB of data onto each side of a dual-layered disc. The extra space allows developers to make one version of the game that contains localizations for every region or eliminate the need for players to swap discs mid-game.

PS3 developers may soon have a bit more room to work with.

The PS3's disc storage-capacity lead may soon expand a bit further, as Nikkei Electronics Asia reports that Sony has devised a method to pack 33.4GB of data per Blu-ray Disc layer. According to the Japanese tech news site, Sony has improved the way Blu-ray Disc quality is read using the same technical setup that is currently available in media players, such as the PS3. As such, the improvement could be implemented by way of a firmware update.

Nikkei Electronics Asia did not indicate when the new media format may enter mass production.

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Marky360
Marky360

@Blade8us They'd be jealous because the pc is pretty much extinct. Im look at there's nothin that great that comes out on pc that u can't get on consoles but there r hundreds of console exclusives that you'll never see on pc. probably because pc wouldn't be able to handle those games anyway

Marky360
Marky360

Ladiesman ur totally crazy if u think consoles r going extinct its the PC thats going extinct look at no hardly plays it now. The final deathnail would be a console version of WoW then its goodbye PC!

Marky360
Marky360

Ambridget I read that same article I hope sony's able to do it so developers can stop complaining about how there's not enough space on the disc. just imagine how good a game would look with fully uncommpressed audio and video

lock2121
lock2121

@Spartan_418,@alixkid - Agreed HD DVD would've been the better format for developers to work with.

SicklySunStorm
SicklySunStorm

@ ambridget - it may seem a way off now, but with Moore's law, it probably won't be that long before we see something like that. Do you remember Bill Gates in the 80's saying 640k should be enough for anyone!? Yeah right..... we have singular e-mails bigger than that now.

ambridget
ambridget

I read in the Game Informer magazine that Sony was trying to produce a 6 terabyte HD disc, which is a heck of a lot more space than 50 gigs! They're probably going one step at a time until the technology is available to put 6,000 gigabytes of data onto a disc.... lol, I don't really think the 6 terabyte disc will ever happen.

Ladiesman17
Ladiesman17

well, who cares about Consoles.. they will extinct, about 10 years later.. just like rumour said.. let see how Microsoft & Sony prepared for this..

alixkid
alixkid

@Spartan_418 your comments ring so true HD DVD would of been better until they perfected Blue Ray or another format.

SicklySunStorm
SicklySunStorm

I much prefer my PS3 to my 360, but even I can see that as yet, the capacity of the disc doesn't really play a part. If anything, being a Blu-Ray seems to be a hinderance due to the much lower speed the disc can spin and be read at....

THOMJOHN3
THOMJOHN3

Lindseyhunt1090 and Autolycus: GOW3 is supposed to be in true 1080p.

ThePlumpPenguin
ThePlumpPenguin

Still, it doesn't stop the pop in issues that occur when reading game data off the disc. They need to do something about the load/read times of the discs too.

Spartan_418
Spartan_418

For video games, the extra space provided by Blu-ray doesn't matter that much when you factor in that the format is slow as all #@$%^, and to compensate developers end up putting the same data on multiple places on the disc so that the disc doesn't have to spin as far to read that data; and that pretty much all PS3 games now require mandatory HDD installs of a gb or more. HD DVD was the superior format, benefiting from increased storage capacity while maintaining the speed of DVD. Brand recognition and poor marketing were what killed it.

JJ_Shredder
JJ_Shredder

I just wish someone could explain to me why we still see movies released on blu-ray that have multiple discs. I see no reason whatsoever why companies have to put extra features on a different disc, I am looking at you Disney/Pixar, (at least two discs in EVERY movie???). And as far as video-games go, isn't the 25 gigs enough???? games such as Oblivion on 360 didn't seem to have problems fitting on a dual-layer DVD so why is this story such a big deal to developers when, if you ask me, they can't even take advantage of, or show what they can do with what they have already???

Blade8Aus
Blade8Aus

@Marky360 why would they be jealous if they have a PC when theyve been able to produce resolutions higher than that for years? also for the record the extra space probably wont help much for PS3 games but it might for 3d movies and carrying files on optical format.

lindseyhunt1090
lindseyhunt1090

Marky360 --- Autolycus is right. There has been no game produced yet for consoles that is 1080p or even 720p. Everything is upscaled to these resolutions. I'm not 100% sure but last time i heard COD MW 2 was the highest resolution game made and it was 600P.... If you understand resolution and what it actually means then you will understand this. ( by the way i have a ps3, 360 and a 1080p tv so i'm not jealous im just setting the record straight)

MSG-Deathscythe
MSG-Deathscythe

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Marky360
Marky360

Autolycus U must be naive because the 360 and the PS3 can produce visuals in 1080p I've seen it myself. do u even own a PS3 360 or an HDTV? u probably don't and R just saying that because u don't got nothin but a PC and R jealous

tdawg2594
tdawg2594

@meathead86 Well 3rd party developers are gonna keep doing that mainly because the 360 is easier and its cheaper to develop on. I will probably get thumb down lol they thumb u down for anything on this article i seen someone get thumb down for saying mgs4 filled up a dual layer disk seriously idiots. But anyway yeah only 1st parties or 2nd parties will use the space thats unless the extra space is for security

Nuk1euz
Nuk1euz

I heared someone mentioning Natal......Just would like to say that Sony is coming out with similar technology. Just an FYI. So many people talkin about Natal, Sony is actually able to keep their motion sensing tech on the downlow Seriously, 3D gaming/movies alone will be yet ANOTHER reason why Sony is ahead in the tech race against the 360. Sony's feature list keeps increasing, Sony's disc space keeps increasing, to me the PS3 has always had the best value for its tech and it just keeps getting better. Wii/360 just stays the same, no major improvements at all.

wahyudil
wahyudil

a forced firmware update .....

meathead86
meathead86

bout time im tired of the xbox holding the ps3 back

janderdarkmoon
janderdarkmoon

I hope there's a real reason for this, like keeping costs down, from producing one disc instead of two. If Sony is just doing this to sell us "ultra high" capacity disks for a higher price I say BS.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

"from 25GB to 33.4GB per layer" Wow the porn industry will be very happy about that.

Autolycus
Autolycus

all that space is useless for games as the ps3 and the 360 aren't powerful enough in the GPU or the CPU to handle 1080i or 1080p textures on models. IT's IRRELEVANT. if you cant see it, its because you are naive.

norabbitnofun
norabbitnofun

More space = good. Especially since both Blue Ray and the now-defunc' HD-DVD did not have "significantly enough" larger space than DVD's. If they could push it another x2 then this might just be considered a worthy technology leap enabling real HD storage. I mean, HD is already stored that way but we would get Blue-Ray's with as much content as a DVD offered and probably a little more interaction. Potentially.

oneligas
oneligas

the added space on the Blue Ray disc will be use in added "security features" that disc lock all Blue Ray discs to the first Blue Ray Player that uses them because Sony likes to slip hidden files onto is discs that track data like they did years ago with any Cd that sony produced and many people installed the music and the hidden files onto their PC's

tdawg2594
tdawg2594

@vodoo Sony exclusives that sony develops will always use a lot of blueray space. Developers like Ea,activision etc won't use the space but studios like santa monica and naughty dog will use the space

Vodoo
Vodoo

The use for this space has mostly nothing to do with gaming at all people! You think devs are going to make longer games just because there's more empty space on a disc? LOL!!! Don't kid yourselves. They have the space there now and they don't use it. This type of app. would more-so benefit movie disks, boxed sets, and tv shows released on disc. With this you can practically fit an entire season on 1 disc.

jamesh-42
jamesh-42

@wolfpackfrenzy: technology like this does have the potential to improve read performance. If they've achieved the capacity increase by packing more data into each track on the disc, then there will be more data passing under the laser as the disc spins. If they've achieved the capacity increase through thinner more tightly packed tracks on the disc, then there will be more capacity towards the edge of the disc (the area that provides the highest read speeds). Either way, I doubt it'll give speeds anywhere close to the hard disk in the PS3, so games will most likely continue to preload data there.

SlowMotionKarma
SlowMotionKarma

"Overall people won't notice it" - referring to content control/pulls. That's mostly because people are skipping the EULA (not the company's fault) and expecting the "purchase" button to mean purchase, not "use". I am not at all doubting digital distro will be a major player for video in the years to come, I just can't believe in a paradigm shift. Will a lot of consumers unwittingly (or wittingly even) hand over their rights for the digital convenience? Definitely. Will it be so widespread as to consider digital delivery the main form of content delivery to the end-user? Not at all. I agree that the HD Zune stream on the 360 looks amazing. It starts up near-instantly because the feed starts at a lower quality and increases as your connection allows. Brilliant, no doubt, but not what I'd stop buying discs for. A broad section of the population would need access to 100mb/s before anyone even considered streaming true 1080p HD quality video w/audio. As it is now, it would kill the network's infrastructure to stream that to millions of people. By the time it caught up to allow what you envision, UHD will be close to coming out. Then all Blu-Ray needs is to implement the now-experimental quad-layer discs (that are compatible with existing player hardware on the market now) whereas digital distro will be playing catchup again... Again, I'm not discounting digital distro, just the notion that in the future people will no longer need, want or use hard copies of what they want to own.

cyclonebw
cyclonebw

Why does Microsoft even try? I mean come on, it just a kick in the face every time a Sony update pops in my inbox?

UltimateRAGEX
UltimateRAGEX

Nice! Can't be bad. Xbox 360's DVD format is soon to be obsolete, it is inferior to the Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray is the superior one.

LorenaLarue
LorenaLarue

What they need to improve is how fast a game loads on bluray, but they'll never fix that with a firmware update.

Nobri
Nobri

@blakeney All of my PS3 games are on Blu-Rays, both exclusives and multiplatforms. Makes me wonder why they're the same cost as the DVD's Xbox uses for games.

Nobri
Nobri

...which will give Uncharted 3 more space to use. I love how they can just do this out of no where. Blu-Ray ftw.

GDCalibur
GDCalibur

Works for me, just means we get more content or whatever added to games.

furor6
furor6

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majindan
majindan

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racing1750
racing1750

Good to know devs will have more space, since Uncharted 2 filled the full 25GB Blu-ray disc.

solidine
solidine

Not that this is a problem, but are we really going to need this at the moment? How many games even utilize a full single layer blue ray?

lamprey263
lamprey263

great, now the next MGS game can have a 10:1 cutscene to gameplay ratio

tdawg2594
tdawg2594

As long as this means we will have better games i'll be happy or more content then thats good

anotherone10
anotherone10

Good for developers i suppose, so nothing to complain about :)

caly230684
caly230684

@chunkymonkey313 That's why it says 25GB per layer i.e dual layer = 2 layers = 50GB

bg_fernandez
bg_fernandez

@chunkymonkey thats a dual layer blu ray disc

chunkymonkey313
chunkymonkey313

um i thought that a blu ray disk could hold 50 gigs...

jaredcrazy3232
jaredcrazy3232

@ Dynamo11 ya but they only just cracked the ps3's pirate ability... we will see if it actually works

onyxdragon7
onyxdragon7

Great, the bigger the games and the more length and content they include the better!