Sony exec opposed to blocking used games, says analyst

SCEA CEO Jack Tretton reportedly against idea of locking out the secondhand market for next-generation console, believes it would be an anti-consumer move.

While many developers have been vocal about their opposition to used gaming of late, not everyone in the industry shares that view. Speaking on a new episode of GameTrailers' Bonus Round, Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter said Sony Computer Entertainment America president Jack Tretton came out against the notion of blocking used game sales when Pachter asked for his personal opinion on the subject.

SCEA exec Jack Tretton is reportedly against the idea of locking out used game sales.

According to Pachter, Tretton said, "For the record, I'm totally opposed to blocking used games. I think it's great for consumers that they can buy those… I think it would be anti-consumer of us to do that." Pachter also noted that Tretton was only speaking for himself, and Sony brass in Japan might not feel the same on the subject.

Rumors have been swirling concerning Microsoft and Sony implementing anti-used-game measures in their respective future-generation consoles. Specifics are not available, and news of next-generation consoles from the two companies is not expected this year.

The used-game market has been a contentious issue, with several noted developers making clear their stance against secondhand sales. Those who spoke out against used sales recently include Crysis developer Crytek's director of creative development, Rasmus Hojengaard (though he quickly recanted), Battlefield 3 executive producer Patrick Bach, ex-THQ executive Richard Browne, Elite creator David Braben, Volition design director Jameson Durall, and Silicon Knights founder Denis Dyack.

Not all voices are against used games. Saber Interactive CEO Matthew Karch said in February that blocking used games is unfair. Also during that month, Witcher developer CD Projekt Red's managing director, Adam Badowski, took a populist gamer stance, saying systems that block used games "can be a bad thing."

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OurSin-360
OurSin-360

May only buy one system next gen if xbox decides to do that stupid anti used games nonsense.  Just hoope sony fixes the analog sticks though lol

Longhorns62
Longhorns62

The industry and consumers need the used game market. If these company's are losing money, it is not from the used game market.

GEDRAM
GEDRAM

More ways of ripping you off and you can't see it. Get real. Why shouldn't we be able to trade games in or sell them to someone else. You can do it with just about anything else. 

Also how many game outlets survive now on trade ins and resales.

prodigest
prodigest

Yea, I can't remember the last time I could willingly drop $60+ dollars on a game without worrying that I might really need that money a week later.

 

JessMarz
JessMarz

And one of the few smart buisness executive.

fightingfish18
fightingfish18

I actually want Pachter to be right this time.  I respect Tretton.

 

 @FollowY0urBliss   Second hand game sales need to be restricted just as much as second hand car sales, or second hand book sales, or second hand clothes sales.  I'll let you draw your own conclusion of my opinion there.  Should be pretty obvious.  I refuse to pay $60 for 6 hours of play.

HappyBB
HappyBB

Of course blocking used games are unfair to consumers!  This is the same as on-disk DLCs!

dixonseventy7
dixonseventy7

Make a quality game and I will buy brand new. Force me to pay top dollar for a sub par game and I just continue playing my quality game and won't buy your product period.

FollowY0urBliss
FollowY0urBliss

Second-hand game sales NEED to be RESTRICTED next gen.  There are a LOT of reasons why.  And a LOT of them will end up benefiting the gamer's.  I just wish more people realized this.

VilandasUK
VilandasUK

Nah I don't trust this guy he probably said this to look good

Serpentes420
Serpentes420

I love how Brendan ends all these articles with the list of those who have come out for blocking used games.  Its as if to say "Hey people, don't forget these people would love for you not to be able to buy their game used" so we can remember who not to support.

 

Keep it up Brenden!

sieg6529
sieg6529

Glad that somebody gets it, but this comment could just be for posterity.  

gshock888
gshock888

greed will be the end of the gaming industry

CreayBsD
CreayBsD

If they get rid of pre-owed games, there not only going to piss us all off, they’re going to kill the rental market. A lot of the time I will rent games to see what they are like and buy them if there any good. They cannot say pre-owed purchase are a lots sales, a lot of gamers that buy pre-owed games would not have got them if they needed to pay RRP(£40+).

 

Tretton  is on the right line, it's just "anti-consumer"

 

If they stop pre-owed games being sold, there will be a jump in piracy. 

 

Dark_Arcitekt
Dark_Arcitekt

Jack gets the thumbs up from me.The principle of him supporting gamers is exactly why.

rarson
rarson

Jack seems like one of the few good guys left. He gives me hope for Sony.

 

Sony, don't let the bigwigs at Japan dictate everything. We all saw how that worked out for Sega. You hire people because they know what they're doing, so let them do their jobs.

ArkhamSaint
ArkhamSaint

I appreciate Jack's opinion, I like somebody who speaks there mind and does not side behind what the company thinks, fair play Jack.

steveguttenberg
steveguttenberg

That's great, but praising him for this is like praising someone for not being a racist.

HaloPimp978
HaloPimp978

I won't be getting any console that blocks used games. I fear if they do this it would result in a lot of money lost and maybe a industry crash.

davsonamission
davsonamission

Has anyone noticed everything about the next gen consoles are negative as hell. Blocking used games, touch screen controls, constant internet connection, price,... the list goes on. Maybe just maybe what is going on is the next gen consoles are just plain weak and not much of an upgrade at all so they are throwing out all these rumors so when it is launched without all these negative things ppl will do nothing but praise them. Honestly I dont see the next gen consoles being some significant leap foward like the PS2 - PS3 leap. For Sony this is going to be a huge gamble for them considering how far in the hole they are I hope they get it right...

jtthegame316
jtthegame316

I think out of ms and sony sony is more likely to block used games as they joined ea with the online pass. however if this is true and sony don't do it i don't think anyone will and that is a good thing because it is exactly right blocking used is anti consumer.  even the online pass are anti consumer though And both are big attacks on retailers.  so on one hand this top sony guy says no to blocking used game which is good but on the other hand his company does the lame online pass thing. well i will wait and see what happens but if ms or sony block used games then that machine won't sell. i really think though if it happens sony will be the blockers of used. how ever if ms do it and sony don't sony will win however if sony do it and ms don't ms will win next time round however if they both do it i know i for one won't buy either i will never support a console that blocks used and attacks retailers and isanti consumer.even though i usually buy new.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

Lol, now he's got everyone on side, it's time to unvail the plan for download only games that has a limit to how many accounts it can be on.

On a more serious note, I wouldn't mind if they just make the downloadable versions a decent amount cheaper than the disc based copys... Seriously Mass Effect 3 on the PSN is £50... The disc can be bought (new and sealed) for £20... Makes no sense.

System4Ever
System4Ever

Blocking used games an anti-consumer move?!?! NOOOO!! Really??!! 

DeViLzzz
DeViLzzz

Well Sony this is how you will get more of my money. Gratz !

drivemuse
drivemuse

If used games are blocked next generation then I will refuse to buy any of the offending hardware. I don't need another console anyway, nothing will buy me back once they decide to block used games, NOTHING.

Vodoo
Vodoo

You forgot to mention the spineless Cliffy B is against anything that doesn't swell his bank account and ego. The guy already drives a friggin Lamborghini, yet he's the greediest of them all. Cliffy B is just a working class developer at Epic, not even the owner, and he's filthy rich. That right there tells me they're not hurting for money because of used game sales. I used to like Cliffy B. I thought he was down to earth like the rest of us. All it took was for him to open his fat mouth and start flapping his gums for his true colors to shine through. From that point on I detest him and Epic, being he's actually reciting the company motto: Grab em by the ankles and shake their pockets empty till their pants fall off.

luucifer78b
luucifer78b

block use games = sell no console.

is that simple.

JasPlun
JasPlun

Good for Sony for once.If they keep with this attitude they may win me over when the PS4 comes out.Take Heed Microsoft if you block used game sales it will be the grave for the Xbox brand.I am for anti-piracy,but not to the extent of stopping used game sales.They can find another way and if EA keeps on charging for online play on used games I will move on to other developers.

 

servb0ts
servb0ts

If $ony & M$ pull this, I guarentee it will hurt their sales worst them PS3 & 360 Outtage lol.

 

1 for one will be buying the Wii U, and shm @ the other 2 gaming consoles next Gen lol.

Sigil-otaku
Sigil-otaku

I'm not really too bothered about having used sales, I'm more of a collector than just a guy looking to use games as a quick fix hobby who buys and sells every game he owns but I think it's good Sony is on the side of the consumer. It sucks they pull stupid moves like proprietary memory cards on the vita but when it comes to the consoles you see things like free online and if we're lucky no banning of used game sales / use like they are mentioning here. Sony should try and annoy it's fans as little as possible since they do it quite often (price of PS3 at launch, Vita proprietary cards, sixaxis / DS3 milarky, removing linux for all users and backwards compatibility removal only to start selling old games on the PS store etc.) but it's nice they get it right now and again.

 

If they don't block used games and have free online play again next gen while microsoft keeps charging I think I'll jump ship (for majority of game purchases anyway, I still like to own all consoles since I generally like the exclusives).

Evenios
Evenios

good to know. They are smart cuz they know the backlash would be huge.

psycho75
psycho75

oh thanks, cause that's the worse idea in the video game history, with mandatory internet connection being a "bonus" to that there is no middle ground for me, i won't buy it,period

XboxGuy1537
XboxGuy1537

Yeah, because Sony REALLY knows how to make good customer moves. Yeah....no.

suffering-evil
suffering-evil

With the back and forth of banning and not banning used games, this just seems like the ploy to just look good too the public. When we finally see new specs of either Sony or microsofts system, that's when we all as"consumers" can breath a sigh of relief. So until then we'll just have to wait and see

constantterror
constantterror

Well to all the people saying used game sales hurt the devs explain this back in the day people bought and traded games alot and guess what the stupid devs got rich still cause guess what you can't get a used game if no one buys a new game think hard ret@rds all it s now is devs wanting more money cause they're greedy little b@st@rds that don't wanna make games that people will keep look at these games morrowind,oblivion,skyrim,devil may cry 1 and 3 and jak and daxter 1,2,3 I've got them all and won't get rid of them cause they're actually good games but I'm not going to hold on to crappy games like every rehashed cod game its the devs fault not the customers so if they want more money make better games and stop being a crybaby caused no one likes your rehashed game.

rarson
rarson

 @steveguttenberg 

 

Not really. It's more like praising someone for speaking out against racism.

Sigil-otaku
Sigil-otaku

 @drivemuse I hope you're not a fan of steam then, that'd be kind of sad and contradictory.

steveguttenberg
steveguttenberg

I imagine they will initially be cheaper. But once they successfully kill transfer of ownership, prices will only go up, and there will be nothing we can do, since they won't have to compete with a used market.

drivemuse
drivemuse

 @thewastedyouth I still wouldn't be buying their money-hungry hardware, even if the games for it cost $5.00 each.

Sigil-otaku
Sigil-otaku

 @ccanfield1 Think about steam, the most popular service for PC users. Can't sell your games. See how it's not the end of the world?  I agree it's not bad to be able to sell your games but generally devs want to stay in the job so if they cut out that side of the industry I wouldn't be too surprised.

Zloth2
Zloth2

 @ccanfield1There's a huge difference between a car and a game: the car wears out.  It will likely only have 2 or 3 owners.  As long as you don't go sitting on your disks, though, a computer game can last a very long time.  Also, once the game has been played, most people never play again.  That's very unlike a music CD.  Those two combined mean a single copy of a game could be owned by a dozen or more people.  Maybe a lot more.

 

drivemuse
drivemuse

 @suffering-evil It's also a possibility that once they release the hardware and it is "free" to use a used game, they will backflip on that decision and make a firmware update mandatory that bans used games.

Ravenlore_basic
Ravenlore_basic

 @constantterror  Games back in the days cost a LOT LESS to develop than they do now. A few people could work on a game and sell it on consoles and make money, and if the game fails then it did not cost too much from the developer or publisher.  

Now games cost many Millions of dollars to make and if the game fails then many Developers have gone out of business and or closed.  

 

In the past the % of games sold used was small. NOW with Gamestop, Best Buy, Target selling used games not to mention, Amazon, Craigslist and with Redbox and Gamefly more games are being resold again and again, which is NOT like OLD TIMES.  

MJ-X
MJ-X

 @constantterror   Hurt my eyes reading your post; no commas, new lines or anything of the sort. It even makes your opinion harder or worth reading at all as  I stopped halfway through it.Makes me skip posts like this every time i come across one.

 

P.S not a grammar fanatic here but at least make your post readable

drivemuse
drivemuse

 @Sigil-otaku Sure not. Never used it, no plans to. But good on you for jumping to conclusions.

Sigil-otaku
Sigil-otaku

 @drivemuse Then your the leech of the industry we've been searching for *stab*. Anyone else?

drivemuse
drivemuse

 @Sigil-otaku That logic also applies to purchases made on the Playstation Network and on Xbox Live. The benefit is that they are generally cheaper when downloaded straight from the source, no middle men, no physical goods to produce/ship/distribute, no wages to pay the people selling the goods.

 

People are angry that you will not be able to sell the physical game if they no longer want it, that is why people opt to buy the boxed game. They aren't angry because you "can't sell your downloaded game"

 

I'm going to rename you Mr. Argumentative.

 

blaze_boy30
blaze_boy30

 @Zloth2 

 

1) Games discs can also wear out. Ever heard of disc rot? It's not very common in newer games but it has happen to older disc based games. We'll have to see what happens to 360/PS3 discs years from now.

 

2) Cars can also last a very long time. For example: My father replaced his 1992 Toyota Camery, with a 2010 Toyota Highlander. 18 years is a long time.

 

3) Most people don't play games over? You got the numbers for that right? Probably not.

 

In other words, your argument is not very convincing. 

twztid13
twztid13

 @Zloth2  @ccanfield1

 Just because something is different in some ways, doesn't mean they aren't alike in others, or that they can't be compared.

famekiller
famekiller

 @MJ-X and you need to get your eyes checked as well. I can see commas. How many people use grammar on the internet? If you want to be pedantic as well, I could point out plenty wrong with your reply. For starters, you should have said, "I hurt my eyes" or "That hurt my eyes" Also, you should have written "or NOT worth reading at all" and you have a double space between 'as' and  'I'.  Also, no space after fullstop between "through it." and "Makes me".  Oh and no capital to start your P.S. and no fullstop at the end of the P.S.   Ever heard of the saying "don't throw stones in glass houses?"

famekiller
famekiller

 @ChemicalReaper maybe you should spend some money on glasses! There's nothing wrong with his english apart from the odd missing comma or fullstop. Don't be so pedantic.