Sony clarifies stance on PlayStation 4 'restrictions'

PlayStation maker confirms Online Pass program will not be continued on PS4 and that no "gating restrictions" will be in place for software.

Sony has clarified its stance on PlayStation 4 game "restrictions," after executive Jack Tretton said earlier today on Spike TV that decisions about DRM would be left up to third-party publishers.

In a statement sent to GameSpot, Sony confirmed its Online Pass program will not be extended to first-party PS4 titles and that no "gating restrictions" will be in place for disc-based games on the system.

"The Online Pass program for PlayStation first-party games will not continue on PlayStation 4. Similar to PS3, we will not dictate the online used game strategy (the ability to play used games online) of its publishing partners," reads a line from the statement.

"As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games," the statement goes on. "When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever."

This plan differs from that of Microsoft, which has said that decisions about whether or not secondhand Xbox One games can be resold will be left up to publishers. In addition, secondhand Xbox One sales will be available only at unspecified "participating retailers."

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nhamokid2
nhamokid2

I am really enjoying the arguments with Games-Music-Movies-Cars analogy.

mike468
mike468

The argument from Sony fanboys are ridiculous. They complain about the Xbox One requiring the use of internet, because obviously they have internet if you are coming here to complain about it. It is a dumb concept for the few in the gaming community who don't have internet? Yes. But anyone who wants to complain on the INTERNET about the console requiring INTERNET deserves to wacked offside the head.

tevic
tevic

So for PS4 Publishers could have a say, install paywalls, but only for online multiplayer.

And NOT for single player, which will be without any "gating restrictions".

That's just great, thanks Sony that is what I wanted to hear.

And MS, go f*ck yourself with your VHS always-connected console !

Gargus
Gargus

What kills me is all the xbox one supporters that are actually defending Microsoft. They act like being able to lend a game to a friend one time, or use a game with 10 family members is a really great thing. They defend having to check in every 24 hours as no big deal and so on. They get slapped with dozens of DRM restrictions and even though they are the paying customers they are willing to put up with it and defend it.

Ok great you can lend a xb1 game to 1 friend 1 time if they are on your friends list for 30 days. I can take a ps4 game and lend it to as many people as I want, anytime I want, anywhere I want for as long as I want without ever being restricted. Hell the PS4 is region free, I can let a friend in the Antarctic borrow a game if I want and then let a friend in Tokyo use it.

hehagg
hehagg

This is for the few xboxfanboys that didn't already jumped the sinking ship called Microsoft

Your talking about the line up how great it was and how Sony doesn't have exclusives like the xbox1

but here is the thing exclusives is what made the ps3 so great and all those exclusives will find their way to the ps4 in the form of sequels or new ip's

there where Microsoft needed to show new and exclusive titles because of lack of those on the 360 Sony can just sit back and relax because that's all covered and they focused on the big issues like used games restrictions and connectivity options.

Microsoft and the small crew of fanboys aboard there sinking ship. I guess this iceberg called Sony was to damn big for you


OreoPoptart
OreoPoptart

Xbox fan boys, xbox fan boys every where haha I mean Gamespot is filled with xbox fan boys lol

DaWarthog
DaWarthog

I say F__k Sony as well as Microsoft for having the technology in place to block used games and for leaving it up to the publisher.

Sun-Tzu-GE
Sun-Tzu-GE

I'm still a little confused...So sony will allow 3rd party publishers to charge for used SINGLE player games if they want? I'm cool with online passes for used games.It's only fair for them to charge you money if you are going to use their servers to play online but I really hope they won't make you connect to the internet to activate the single player game too.

KingKnight1337
KingKnight1337

PS4 Day one pre orders are sold out on Amazon. Where as Xbox One Day one....I'll let you guys see for yourself lol

Shantmaster_K
Shantmaster_K

If MS is so concerned about publishers and developers getting a share of used games, just have them apply an online pass instead of all of these restrictions and rules

malofflebehemit
malofflebehemit

Sony wins hahahahaha! gutted Microsoft you complete waste

Darthtc
Darthtc

SCORE:

PLAYSTATION - FOUR

XBOX - ONE

geeet3
geeet3

@mike468  what if a games gets banned, the next time the xbox has it's 24hr check, that game will be locked out. This machine can control if you play a game or not.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@Gargus It is this that makes me rejoice in the fact that fanboys are not the majority.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@hehagg I was about to say, for much of the system's life, Sony's exclusives were the only reason to have the bloody PS3.

Gargus
Gargus

@hehagg 

Sony has a ton of really great exclusives. But they are still recovering from some harsh time so they will need a little extra time.

But that's the way a new system is, you get a few at the start and then they start rolling out like gangbusters and sony has an amazing library of exclusive titles and considering the focus they have with ps4 I have no doubt that library will double in the coming years.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@OreoPoptart You think it's bad here?  Go sniff out Giant Bomb.  Granted, the staff Xbox leanings have bred that environment, but it's still amusing to watch.

X-RS
X-RS

@jinflorida  

You only having ur parents buy X1 cus u only know how play FPS -_-

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@jinfloridaFail troll. The used games market is integral to the long-term survival of gaming. It provides an easy on-ramp for people of lesser means to enjoy the hobby they enjoy, people who go on to buy more NEW games later when their incomes hopefully rise and they can afford it. The used games market keeps MILLIONS more involved in our beloved hobby who would otherwise not be able to afford it.

$60 games ARE too expensive for millions of people. Hence, the need for a used market. In fact, this is the same reason USED MARKETS exist for every other product on the face of the earth...like used cars, half the stuff on eBay, garage sales, Craigs list, etc.... People like to SELL their used stuff to make back some of their money...and other people like to save a few bucks because the new version of whatever they want is too expensive for them to afford at their current income and budget. This is called LIFE.

It's very clear you are a 12 yr old who doesn't understand what LIFE is like for literally 10s of millions of people other than yourself, which is pretty typical of a self-involved American attitude who thinks the world revolves around you and that everyone else on the planet has their parents buying game systems and new games for them like you do. Grow up, take an economics class, travel the world (or just get outside your trailer park for 5 minutes) and try to understand that this country's economy is in trouble and median incomes are going DOWN, not up...because large corporations are sending millions of living wage jobs to other countries...and the "replacement jobs" are at Walmart and McDonalds. The obvious result is that millions of people have to figure out how to pay for rapidly RISING cost of living on dwindling paychecks. 

All true gamers should encourage the used games market whether they buy used games or not, because it means MORE PEOPLE can be involved in the hobby we love...which can only result in better long term health of the market. The quickest way to kill gaming would be to eliminate peripheral used games sales because you eliminate a large sub-set of the market from participating in it and buying NEW games later on.


Colekern
Colekern

@jinflorida You sir are an idiot. Of course we can afford new games! But why would we buy a new, more expensive copy when a used copy is cheaper and works just as well? There's no logic in your statement. Man, I really hope to see you on Feedbacula someday.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@jinflorida Fail troll. Why would you buy a console which REQUIRES you to be online when you can buy a console which ALLOWS you to CHOOSE to pay to play online if you want to but gives you the ability to play offline if you don't want to pay or only like to play single-player games? If you didn't sound so stupid I'd think you were a paid MS "reputation manager" troll, but you sound so damn dumb you make Don Mattrick look like Einstein.

Colekern
Colekern

@jinflorida  Well guys, I think that this comment paired with the on above it spells one thing: Xbox fanboy.

It's sad, really. All he's doing is insulting people who like the PS4 and don't like the Xbox, and he fails to raise any logical points whatsoever.

Also: PS+ is cheaper than XBL gold, you moron.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@DaWarthog At least Sony is listening to gamers and realizes that implementing their anti-used game tech would be detrimental to their sales. Microsoft, by comparison, seems completely tone-deaf to what gamers want and seems bound and determined to make the XBone fail.

Bgrngod
Bgrngod

@DaWarthog RTFA

It's not difficult to understand what is being said.  NO blocking of a game where the disc is put in.  However, they still allow publishers to do online passes.

Basically, just like how the PS3 works, but Sony won't use online passes for the games they publish themselves.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@Sun-Tzu-GE No, they're allowing them to do it for ONLINE.  Offline games have no gating at all.

nathangray
nathangray

@Sun-Tzu-GE The person who said they'd leave it up to publishers was speaking for Microsoft, i.e., the XBox 1. This story is what Sony said in REPLY to that, stating their difference in opinion.

KALEL777
KALEL777

@KingKnight1337 Yeah, I just saw that. I saw there supposedly are two editions for EACH, a "Standard" edition and a "Day/Launch" Edition.

The Standard edition is still available for pre-order for both systems.
The Launch edition is still available for pre-order only for Xbox One ('cuz no one wants it), but sold out for PS4.

Any thoughts?

dysonlu
dysonlu

@KingKnight1337

I hope this is only the beginning and that consumers keep voting with their wallet.

kohle36
kohle36

@KingKnight1337Oh damn lol it's even funnier than I thought. The 'E3 products' link on amazon.ca directs to a page featuring a massive ps4 photo link, below which are x360, ps3, wii u, vita, 3ds and even OUYA. The only hint of the xbone is a small logo banner at the top left

Kriz7nwa
Kriz7nwa

And not only make customers pay $60.00 for a used game (gamestop will never lowers their prices) but pay and extra $20.00 for the pass yeah good call...

VenkmanPHD
VenkmanPHD

@malofflebehemit As an Ex-Xbox primary player (I usually own all systems) I won't even be purchasing the piece of crap.

Sony on the other hand has, for the first time ever, become my first choice this generation.

(That being said I DO have to buy a Wii U now... damn sega making sonic exclusive to Nintendo.)

quino831
quino831

@Darthtc just one question is playing online on ps4 going to be free or are we going to have to pay for it

btcallen
btcallen

@mjswooosh @DaWarthog Microsoft is watching where the market for all types of entertainment (Book, Music and Movies) is going and that is to a digital delivery.  Just look at the success of Apple's iTunes with the iPhone and iPad.  None of the content on and iPhone or iPad can be shared, Rented, or sold!  MS is putting a system in place by which you will be able to Share, Sell and eventually rent your games and other content.  No other digital marketplace is doing this.  That is what makes them forward thinking.

Sony on the other hand is Ok with you selling/renting your disk based games (if the publisher allows) because they know you are going to buy more and more games via digital delivery and then you will not be able to share, rent or sell your games.

Wait and see, there are many companies who thought it would never happen to Book, Music and Movies and games are just the next to fall to a digital world. 

jmaadson
jmaadson

@Bgrngod @DaWarthog The place of blocking used games in the case of Microsoft is not to help developers but to make extra money for Microsoft. Yes Sony may have the technology, but its for use by developers. I would agree that the technology is ridiculous. Most people don't realize that game companies normally make profit on their games for the original copies they sell.

Look at EA. They added online passes to make extra money, not because they were going bankrupt. That is why they finally took away the online passes because they realized it was making people mad and it was only "extra profit". HOWEVER, for secondhand companies that are small and don't make large profit margins, these are the companies that actually need the money from online passes or such in order to keep running servers or make sequels. Large companies like DICE or 343 Industries or Infinity Ward do not need such crutches.

CMakaCreative
CMakaCreative

Amazon states that both editions are the same. I'm guessing the Launch Day Edition is probably a guarantee that you'll get it by launch day while the standard edition is a first come first serve. If they run out, you'll just have to wait I guess. That's my thoughts.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

@Kriz7nwa I've only ever paid $60 for ultra-rare games.  Most of the time, you only have to wait a few weeks and used games will be $20 less than new.

Shantmaster_K
Shantmaster_K

@Kriz7nwa Well you're dumb for paying $60 for a used game in the first place so you deserve to pay more.

VenkmanPHD
VenkmanPHD

@Kriz7nwa ... Gamestop lowers used game prices weekly. For one.

Secondly, the online pass is usually only 10 bucks.

Thirdly, when you buy a used game, you didn't give (ie rockstar) a dime. So paying for the online pass is you know... the RIGHT thing to do and all.

Bgrngod
Bgrngod

@VenkmanPHD I'm in the exact same boat, and it's giving me a little vertigo.

I put my PS4 pre-order in yesterday.  Might get a second one so my wife can have one too (we both have our own 360's now).

This... is... strange.

sdkingsht
sdkingsht

@quino831 @Darthtc you have to have Playstation Plus but I already have it because just the free games they give you are worth more than the annual $45 fee. I have 130GB worth of free games I've downloaded that were free for PS Plus members. Latest one is Uncharted 3. 

Bgrngod
Bgrngod

@jmaadson Blocking used games is to benefit the publishers themselves, not Microsoft. Each publisher has to have an agreement in place with whatever retailers would handle used game sales (Gamestop, etc).  Why would publishers bother going through the trouble of setting up such agreements if it made money for MS and not them?

babyrhinos
babyrhinos

@Sun-Tzu-GE @nathangray What you experience today with PS3 continues on with PS4, minus the part where first-party Sony games have an online pass.

VenkmanPHD
VenkmanPHD

@Sun-Tzu-GE @nathangray Basically it boils down to this. Sony isn't doing any kind of charging for used or whatever.

They are however letting third-party companies (ie EA, Rockstar etc) Choose if they want to have online passes. (Just like right now)

VenkmanPHD
VenkmanPHD

@CMakaCreative I had so many free games given to me I had to upgrade to a 320GB HDD.

I had to cancel one month, but it was all waiting for me when I renewed for the year.

PS + Is awesome, and I am SO excited that they are charging for multiplayer now. This means that those funds are going to help build better game servers (something sony desperately needed)

It's awesome.

CMakaCreative
CMakaCreative

Yes, without a PS+ account, you can't play the games you got through it free. But they stay on your system. Once you renew it, it's business as usual. Now here's the kicker...they always have good free games that come out and good discounts so that not only is playing the free games you already have an incentive to renew but also all the new free games you'll be able to get. Me personally, I'll always renew just on discounts and future free games only, not just what already have.

Andrew1073
Andrew1073

@sdkingsht @quino831 @Darthtc However no one tells you that if you stop paying for PS+...ALL the games you got for 'free' are taken from you, no?  My friend told me that...but he is not the brightest bulb in the pack.