Six Days in Fallujah First Look

Konami and Atomic Games unveil their ultrarealistic military shooter, and we've got a first look.

Konami's upcoming third-person military combat game, Six Days in Fallujah, puts the player into the boots of the United States Marine Corps soldiers who were involved in the six-day assault on Fallujah, Iraq in 2004. Described by military officials as some of the heaviest urban combat involving Marines in recent memory, the six-day battle is being re-created by developer Atomic Games with input from some of the 3rd Battalion 1st Marines who were there. Konami unveiled the game last week during its spring press event in San Francisco and showed some footage of the game in action.

The game engine has been designed to put a focus on destructible environments.

A squad-based third-person shooter that will put you in the boots of a Marine on the ground, Six Days in Fallujah is aiming to put an emphasis on accuracy and realism in its re-creation of the tense urban combat that defined the assault on the city. The video footage of the game shown during the stage demo featured small squads of Marines engaging Iraqi insurgents in cramped alleyways as well as in and among buildings.

With a focus on urban combat, and all of the complications that fighting in close quarters and among civilians brings with it, the developers at Atomic Games have created a new game engine to power the action in Six Days. The hallmark of the new engine is destruction; everything from individual bricks to entire buildings will be candidates for destruction in the game, a fact that opens up entirely new avenues of strategy when taking to the streets in the hunt for insurgents. In one gameplay video, a Marine squad was stationed outside of a building that was filled with enemy insurgents. Instead of attacking through the front door and risking casualties, the Marines blew a hole in the side of the building, stormed inside, and forced the enemies out into the street, where another pack of Marines were waiting to pick them off.

There were several examples of the kind of destructive power on display in the Atomic engine (as it's known), including Marines taking down sections of buildings with RPGs and grenade launchers, and cover being completely destroyed by hails of gunfire. As a result, this level of destruction puts particular demand not just on the game's AI (ensuring that enemies and allied units react accordingly), but also so that the player is always moving from one cover spot to the next.

Graphically, the Atomic engine seems to have captured the Iraqi architecture and dusty climate well, and little touches, such as the sound of the weapon reports themselves, sounded authentic to us. On the other hand, the destruction effects seem a bit too Lego-like and blocky for our tastes--here's hoping that the Atomic engine evolves in the coming months with more particle effects and a greater sense of "randomness" in how structure damage is conveyed.

Squad-based battles in tight urban settings look to up the tension.

Although the focus in Six Days is on realism, the game is still making concessions to some video game staples, such as the regenerating health meter. We'd like to see the option to turn on one-shot kills in the final game, if only to amp up the tension of every encounter. We're also curious to see how both the enemy and friendly AI react to the potential of constant change in the levels thanks to the engine's destruction effects.

Having produced training tools for the Marine corps before beginning development of Six Days in Fallujah, there's little doubt that Atomic games has both the pedigree and experience needed for an accurate re-creation of the events in Fallujah back in late 2004. Here's hoping that the team manages to strike a balance between the need for making a historically factual account with the equally important requirement of making a game that's fun to play. Stay tuned for much more on Six Days in Fallujah in the coming months.

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432 comments
ckynick254
ckynick254

why not just publish it f*** this where is freedom in the usa anymore

snake_6483
snake_6483

lol at those saying stuff about the zietgiest movie. I watched it several times to try to make sense out of it, you know what that movie is? a no-life who spends way too much time on underground cover-up websites and trying to scare a lot of people into believing what he believes. The first movie had a lot of info but very little sources, you cant go research a lot of what he says on your own. His statements of building 7 for WTC buildings is WAY wrong, and I could go on and on. I'm sick of people talking about that movie, go research for yourself and see the truth, don't let that dude suck you into that world. Anywho, this game is supported by Marines, I'm all for it. It sounds like it sounds truthful to what happened and I am interested to hear what the marines have to say about that, then play it!

gamerpipe
gamerpipe

How about if they let you play either side? that would be more controversial for some people, but it would tell a better story. they should also make it an open world instead of FPS. Grand Theft Fallujah

100starz
100starz

I hope it really is realistic and portrays the marines as having bullet-proof vests and the insurgents as having nothing compared to CoD4 where everything is a one or two shot kill.

USMC575
USMC575

as a marine i once took a tour with my convoy into fallujah in 05. it was pretty messed up. we didn't experience fighting we were there to evac. i expect to see the environments in the game just like i saw that day

lromero95
lromero95

I hope they put one shot kills for the higher difficulty and accurate bullet ballistics

Tox770
Tox770

I Think you all are right and I agree with you Jhraxlin, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. but as far as I see this could be one of the most realistic, deep, and meaningful guns ever made and some people are getting upset by it even though it is backed u by and dveloped by marines. I just want to play it. P.S. proright38toss2, take an english class.

sajo22
sajo22

I have noticed that it is difficult to not bring in real world politics, perspectives, and opinions into the issue of making this game. Should those those perpectives affect the creation of the game?

proright38toss2
proright38toss2

Many Americans have died cuz of terrorist acts.....now some of u guys are saying its right for them run at u and blow themselves up and other innocent ppl up. i can see maybe standing up for themselves with arms but this guys are suicide bombing American soldiers and not only killing Americans but all around them..now thats messed and i happy America has the balls to do somthing bout it

Jhraxlin
Jhraxlin

Actually, Foundthisname, it is about who is right or who is wrong. Both sides are fighting for wrong reasons, but one is right. Terrorist organizations are clearly wrong, sometimes however, the reason people fight them is also wrong, but they are still on the right side. A game will not teach people not to start wars, there will be wars until the end of the earth, which will actually end in a war, it is not a man made war though so there isn't much you can do about that.

FoundThisName
FoundThisName

alastairf btw Konami decided to back off but Atomic Games still want to do it. IF they can find another publisher there's still hope that we could see the game in store. ------------------- I just want to taste how the USMC in battle feels.I think we are lucky this age has game so we could taste it without going in to the real one and risk to get killed. About controversy games are just games, why so serious? It's just a kind of art for me just like watching movies that you can control the character. It's not about who is right or wrong it's just about how would you feel if you where given a rifle and sent in to the ground, when bullets flying around you and you could drop dead at any minute. If wars looks so vile then games can help teaching the ppl not to start one.

halo3sly
halo3sly

I CANT BELIVE THERE MAKING THIS OMG I WANT TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO PLAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marineraider24
Marineraider24

& btw.. most fighters in iraq are foreign as*wad! ok... thats why the Marines & army troops & navy & airforce personall in iraq today call the "Foreign Fighter" or "Musshahadeen" & btw the mussahadeen isnt an iraqi based terrorist group.. its a mercenary group for terrorists.. just like bin ladens "Al Kidey" the Al Kidey is made up of all different fighters.. ok. these ppl love the U.S. & hate them to... but the fact that they go up to marines & say this dude got caches of weapons really show how much they hate the u.s. & want them out.. .dont iT?! yea shut up dude & get ur facts right... nobody wants ur damnedd opinion in an arguement as*hole! & btw everyone.. unless atomic games keeps up work on it & someone else picks it up.. this game is in da dumps! cuz for some odd & unknown reason.. konami pulled out on da project.. & yeah.. i was really really looking forward to this game too.. lol

Marineraider24
Marineraider24

ok wtf Sick! number 1 u dont know blackwater.. blackwater is only made up of EX-COPS, FEDS, & MILITARY PERSONNAL! only! no blood hungry dicks! & btw.. most Blackwater soldiers arent blood hungry ppl.. they are just like the soldiers.. alot are sensitive & just do what they are told. LIKE SOLDIERS YOU ASHOLE! only difference between blackwater & U.S. Troops is how much they get paid & blackwater gets to use any weapon (if they can get they hands on it) they want & any vehicle they can get their hands on

progamemania
progamemania

let's not get political here.. it is a game .. play it and that is it..

1omar7raul1
1omar7raul1

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capt_karem

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SickBastard2
SickBastard2

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spence404
spence404

LOL Omar and Sick must have threatened to bomb their headquarters or something..wtg guys.

1omar7raul1
1omar7raul1

They should because of all the controversy, plus of all the things in the world they chose something that happened recently, It's good that they retreated.

alastairf
alastairf

well it doesnt matter anymore because konami have decided to pull the plug and not make it

1omar7raul1
1omar7raul1

Exactly SickBastard2 , u arent sick after all :P, btw all this happening in Iraq and other countries is all a set up to make the world think that arabs are terrorists, I'm not really sure what governments like the American want , but one thing that's obvious is to use the oil and wealth of the middle-east , Iraqis were tricked as my fellow sickbastard said, and ask yourself this: if a country with a huge army attacks your country and kills your friends and family and cut off electricity and water, patrol on your neighborhood streets, humiliate the civilians, wouldnt you fight back ? enough said ..

SickBastard2
SickBastard2

Insurgency propaganda BS you say??? From Paul BREMER (the American thief or chief thug) who left Baghdad with 20 billion dollars in his suitcase taken or missing from the Iraqi Central Bank or budget plus numerous precious ancient MESOPOTAMEAN treasures and artifacts stolen from the IRAQI MUSUEM to John NEGROPONTE the American/British war criminal that has a well known human rights abuse and well documented savage track record in Central America prior to being sent to IRAQ to stir up violence in the form of random urban bombings whose main targets were civilians to HALLIBURTON the TEXAS based company that was supposed to rebuild IRAQ yet SIX YEARS later IRAQ still has no water and no electricity while the company made billions to BLACKWATER the North Carolina private military and security criminal firm that is comprised of blood thirsty EX-COPS, Feds and former military privates and soldiers from the USA and other parts of the world whose job was nothing but to publicly kill IRAQI civilians and humiliate them in their own homeland and whose primary job was to protect the American thugs in charge while they complete their robbery of IRAQ. Listen mister Iraqis are not dumb they are simply being tricked, robbed and victimized by super powers bent on starving third world countries and stripping them of their rich natural resources and that is why you see MANY local Iraqi freedom fighters (obligated or forced to fight back as well) are picking up arms and fighting the AGGRESSORS (foreign invaders regardless who they are) and they are GOING to kick them out of their own land and restore PRIDE to their country. Now you tell me who is right and who is wrong? Who is the villain and who is the victim???

Scieran
Scieran

I'm not ignorant. All I did was explain the truth that most dumb Americans do not know of it. "We fight because we're ordered to fight"? No one is forced to fight, it is a choice. There's no "previous" administration, it's ALWAYS the same administration. The Prime Minister is just a puppet. Before you make assumptions and go Pro-American, watch zeitgeist.

bigmikeOK
bigmikeOK

On behalf of my fellow brothers and sisters in arms I must say to Scieran that you are VERY ignorant. We fight because we're ordered to fight and not because we are given a choice. If you believe that we were sent to war as part of the previous administration carefully staging events than that is your prerogative. It is of the highest disrespect to say that me and my fellow troops are garbage. However, we pay with our sacrifices in lives so that you can sit comfortably at a PC and type calling us garbage. I have nothing more to say to you and I suggest if we are such garbage than please go find a new country in which you can be proud of its military and government. This "game" obviously touches a few people due to the fact it made off of such a recent event that so many hold fresh in their memories. I still will say nothing either for this game or against it but I hope that it will put emphasis on the incredible heroism that was on display throughout those days in Fallujah. I did not participate in that particular operation but I certainly can say that we faced incredible odds with trying to reform Iraq in such a short span of time and this is just ONE of those stories which shows what we were up against. May God continue to bless America and keep us free.

alastairf
alastairf

i have written a blog entry on some of the issues brought up in this game. If you would like to know any further opinions i have on this game or are simply interested in someone else's views on the game, i suggest you look at the entry entitled 'Should there be a limit with war games?'

1omar7raul1
1omar7raul1

Spence404, you will never open your mind, and you were clear, and I wasn't talking about the soldier's or their roles, I'm talking about the people who move them, and by the way I'm not American.

alastairf
alastairf

Great. a mental conspiritor.

Scieran
Scieran

Pitty that the ones here have not seen Zeitgeist. The so-called Iraq war that was initiated in 2003 and prolonged ever since while spreading propoganda; fighting so-called terrorism and finding WMD. There is no such thing as terrorism. WMD's existed in Iraq but that was ages ago and was abandonned. 9/11 was staged to convince the dumb American population that terrorists did it. Thus, a reason for American troops to invade Iraq and convice the so-called UN which consists of Europe, Australia, France etc to join their cause in the war on terrorism which again, propoganda or deceived. They went there for the resources, specifically the oil thats why the war prolonged so long. The troops are nothing but expendable/disposable units, persistantly sent there to drain the countries resources. Troops should not be honoured or missed nor respected, they're nothing. Just garbage. 9/11 is staged. You may ask why. I will write in bulletpoints -Dick Cheney took command of some American airforce command in early morning which is before the 9/11 incident. -That morning, jetfighters were sent into air for training, which is to intercept high-jacked commercial airlines. -Jetfighters were confused from the training and the real thing; the commercial airlines that ARE highjacked to crash into WTC. -Commercial airlines crashed into WTC, jetfighters failed to respond due to the confusion which was deliberatley planned. - Shanksville did not have any commercial airlines crashed into it. Just a pile of burnt rubble dumped into it. - The pentagon explosion was staged, no planes crashed but what-looks-to-be-a-missile launched into it. Everyone was evacuated before it collapsed (just one side). - WTC was then detonated and the building collapsed in a pancake-style, along with another building that only had two seperate floors burning. In the rubble, metal around 1000C was found, which is way hotter then jetfuel. Thus, the building is collapsed by detonation. The official report did not mentioned any of this, but some ****. Pearl Harbour was staged, the Americans deliberatley cut off all trades to with the Japanese and aiding their enemies. Thus, sparked war. Australian intelligence informed America that Japanese battle cruisers were approaching pearl harbour. America did nothing and allowed it to blow up Pearl Harbour which killed hundreds deliberatley so that news would spread "JAPANESE ATTACKED PEARL HARBOUR". The Vietnam war, WII, all the wars that had america involved was either staged to spark war or enter an ongoing war that had nothing to do with them and that they, the internationalists that 'own' the federal reserve bank would profit so much from it. The Rockerfellar owned the oil company which funded oil for Hitlers war machines; jets tanks etc because no other oil would work. I'm just putting bits and pieces of information, not in chronological order because there are just too many wars, lies to list all of it in one comment to say that American troopes are just garbage, they are just disposable machines so that the Internationalists could profit from war. Money is another thing that has to be taken into account. Money is created out of thin air. We don't need it, it creates more debt which pits humans in society to compete for living and luxury goods. At the end, the internationalists want to unit the world into one single government and control every living human being with RFID chips which has their money, security information and if they EVER protest, rebel, they will turn their chips off. Sure, people will reject it. They will find ways to make you, the people DEMAND them. This is reality. Fallujah is just another military game with so-called realism and based off experienced from real life dumb, brain washed marines. It took me 25 Minutes to write, I really cant be bothered correcting my sentences because I'm just sick of all this.

alastairf
alastairf

sickbastard2 - Obama is withdrawing troops from iraq as we speak and hes only been in power for what? 3 months, he can hardly withdraw them all at once, it needs to be a staged retreat.

spence404
spence404

You never answered any of my questions Sick, I would try to dumb them down a bit if you need me to. I don't care about your so called "Iraqi freedom fighters"(Insurgents), what about the damage they do to their own people? for what? what is the purpose to bomb a hotel loaded with civilians? There were no allied troops near, I think your Iraqi freedom fighters as you call them ,are more murderers than martyrs. How many virgins are they supposed to get in the after-life again? Just wondering. And Omar lol I figured you would agree with that. Open mind??? To what? some insurgent propaganda BS? I don't get the "Logic" part, please explain.. I thought I spoke plain English when I told you what a soldier's role was, guess you didn't read that part, or didn't understand it. It's obvious to me by the slang you use, you are probably an American. Where are you from dude? San Fransico? That's my guess. Ok dude, you can go back to your Insurgent support group now lol.

1omar7raul1
1omar7raul1

I agree with SickBastard2 , plus I like what this page turned out 2 be :P , and Spence404 u still dont want to open your mind , like u said earlier "If you fire a weapon at US or allied troops, you are going to die most of the time. It's that simple. If you fire a weapon at US/allied troops from the homes of Innocent Civilians, you put their lives in danger as well as your own " what do innocent civilians have to do with people who fired weapons from their homes ? I mean its logic and nothing but logic , Americans look for every rason ( even small reasons ) to kill, everybody knows that, every country every person in the world knows that, but a few words here a few bucks there and there u go it's hidden and people's thoughts are changed, you have to see the truth man it's obvious just open ur damn mind ..

SickBastard2
SickBastard2

Oh yes MATE before I forget the tally for British SAS casualties in IRAQ and other so called elite forces of her Majesty the self proclaimed HEROS and the best trained in the world who also fought alongside the Americans in the BOGUS war in IRAQ and whom they also claim superiority as far as military training and what have you suffered the second most devastating results after the Americans with losses numbering 200+ dead soldiers (not to mention those who were killed by friendly fire of course) and thousands more British comrades injured all this fighting against a rag tag IRAQI FREEDOM FIGHTERS You know what I only have to say the outcome of that war would have been so different if you fought a regular army like the German army, the Russian army, the Chinese army and if any other army joined that war the so called Allied Forces would have THEN been fighting somewhere in the UK (let say Birmingham) rather than the Iraqi martyrs city of Fallujah and to answer your inquiry about the so many terrorist bombings well thousands of YOUR troops and security forces were in place in IRAQ yet YOU guys were unable to prevent THEM from happening so why are you there in the first place? It happened in London and Madrid as well and no one was able to prevent them and if the Irish resistance decides tomorrow to resume their campaign of random acts of bombings against civilians and urban targets in the UK can ANYONE stop the urban violence from happening? I do not think so! All I am saying here is you guys are NOT needed over there in IRAQ pack up your bags and backpacks and head home because you are not making things any better in IRAQ as you claim! And if it is hard for you to pack well there is always the specter of someone packing a BODY bag for you instead MATE

spence404
spence404

Hey Sick? So i'd be interested to hear your take on the Iraqi elections? What about the bombings at a few of the voting centers, or the Iraqi police departments? Hey what about insurgents fighting inside civilian areas, wondering what your take is on all this? You would be more correct to direct your comments at the politicians rather than the troops on the ground don't you think? The troops on the ground are the ones risking their lives to do their jobs, they aren't the ones who decide whether they want to be there or not. Allied troops are doing the best they can given the job they have in front of them IMO. To HELL with the politicians is what I say, leave the troops alone mate. ;)

spence404
spence404

In fact Mikees1 I did correct myself already if you read my posts all the way sir. And I even appologized for the mis-information on my part to all those offended by this. If you also remember , the aruement between us was not based on that comment at all, it was based on my saying that the US military was the most powerful in the world, and not the other so get down off the high horse and re read the posts if you have to and quit reading only what suits your aguement Belittle your troops? BS mate, I would never do that, and your "flames" started way before I even posted anything on this thread and were indeed anti-American sir. Now if we were talking pound for pound training wise, I agree the Brits would be right there with the US and in some ways debateably better ...in some ways .. Not what I'm talking about though, I'm talking about total strenth.. Army,Navy,Air Force,Marines ,and nukes(total Military strenth) combined on top of training ect ect. No one has yet told me anything that would dispute this and I don't expect they will. I also never came to the conclusion the revolutionary war was an easy victory by no means, I would never in a million years think this nor was it taught in school. Quite the opposite, that's why it is celebrated so respectably in our country to this day. Was a hard fought war that took it's heavy toll on both sides, and I also respect the men who died for this as well as all wars. In my contry as well as yours, to be a soldier is a very honorable thing to do and to die for it makes you a hero no matter what era or cause it was. If you truly in you heart are not anti-American than I regret to have called you so, but I can only know you by what I read from you. Btw, I do have great respect for your country's achievements especially in it's military, and in my opinion, I think it's some of what brings our cuture together more times than not. If you think about it we are both are warrior cultures and there's much respect between countries that don't take anyone's crap. I'm not saying that's the only reason, but IMO, it's a big reason among many. For the record, your last post has convinced me that you may not be what I thought you were being, and I did enjoy our little debate untill it got nasty. I think we have a great alliance with GB, and I have always thought this. I play online with quite a few Brits and we all get along famously. I respect your knowledge on the different subjects we debated on and I myself can agree that we disagree on a few of them, but I can also agree on many of the points you raise as well. I hope you do not quit posting, and I am sorry for my assumption of you.

mikees1
mikees1

Spence404,Allies do not insult the memory of one anothers dead! Your comment about "a few hundred Brits" sparked the argument and had you have done your research you may have thouight twice about making such comment.I am not anti-American at all,on the contrary i and the world knows that if there are two countries that can work side by side militarily then it is Britain and America,no-one else has that kind of special relationship even us and Europe (of which i am very much against).My "flames" as you call it stem from your comments that belittle our troops profesionalism when our Officer training unit at Sandhurst is the envy of the world and used by the world also. Im sorry if you disagree with my comments but whilst your army IS numericaly supperior that is where the comparison ends,the British sqaudie is trained in smaller units meaning the training is more concentrated that is the point im trying to make about our troops being of a more profesional standard.If you deem that as anti-American then you are taking it out of context. Also with regards to my comments on Empire i was only stating our acheivements in comparison with yours (you brought up the subject of most powerful army ever,not me) but lastly with regards to the wars of independence then i have to state this because somehow you seem to have come to the conclusion that it was an easy victory.It wasnt! And the duration of that war proves it wasnt. If you find my comments offensive then fine this will be my last post on the subject but quite frankly if you think that im not going to use what i was taught at my fee paying school (and later university) just because someone else may find it offensive then you are very wrong.

SickBastard2
SickBastard2

Well for those of you who think this game is NOT going to be SO MORALLY WRONG I only warn you not to read the rest of this memo because the truth ALWAYS hurts. So here we go and DO NOT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU and YES (the Barracks shrink said) do not forget to keep the moral up To those of you who say if you stand in the way of the mightiest force on this planet you only going to get yourself (and your family) killed I say MAYBE but yet the US invading forces in IRAQ suffered catastrophically so far (or found themselves somehow dead) the official fallen comrades count stands at 4300+ dead GIs plus thousands more injured (30,000+ to be exact) and 660,000+ dead Iraqi civilians not to forget to count the hundred Black Water body guards who were ENJOYING killing any IRAQI in their way (like you said) who also found themselves barbecued and hanged on the Euphrates bridge for the whole world to watch (which by the way would be a great opening for the GAME) ALL of these grisly sacrifices while not fighting a regular ARMY and you claim VICTORY? PLEASE! You need to remember there are no TRUE winners when ILLEGAL wars are waged against an imaginary, wrong and FABELED ENEMY and if Texas is invaded by Mexico tomorrow you can be rest assured ALL able men in AMERICA will rise to defend that state unless of course the Latinos change sides! FOLKS stay tuned for Fallujah Part II because it is only fair to say if you do not leave IRAQ ALONE it is just a matter of REVENGE time and only a matter of when? Your newly elected president promised to bring you home ASAP (that is how he won the elections) yet he did not deliver on bringing you back (he listened to the same generals who WRONGFULLY took you over there in the first place) and instead you continue to find yourselves still over there in harms way serving tour after tour and getting nowhere and not knowing when the ANGEL of DEATH is going to call your number or if you are going to be just another number in the war statistics, keep playing Six Days in IRAQ because FRANKLY you might just win the War on your console

spence404
spence404

If you fire a weapon at US or allied troops, you are going to die most of the time. It's that simple. If you fire a weapon at US/allied troops from the homes of Innocent Civilians, you put their lives in danger as well as your own. It's a two way street. You can debate the reasons for allied troops being there all day long and it's still not going to change the fact that they are there. The role of a soldier is to do his duty, and to stay alive doing it. When you are out there taking enemy fire,then your role is to kill/stop your enemy. not think about politics and why you are here in the first place, that will get you killed.

SickBastard2
SickBastard2

You are right I should not bore you to death with politics and let us just discuss the game specifics instead. The battle at Fallujah must have been a fierce battle which explains why the Americans resorted to the use of WMD (MK 77 firebombs) to eradicate all forms of living (So called Foreign Fighters, Iraqi Civilians and even animals) much like what happened in WWI when chemical weapons were used by Germans, French and British forces or in WWII when Nukes were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (in contrast to the Geneva Convention) FYI there were more greater battles that preceded this skirmishes at Fallujah namely the infamous battle at Baghdad International Airport and also the battle at the largest cemetery in the world in NAJAF which also caused extensive casualties among the invading Allied Forces (hundreds of Marines and GIs were killed or injured) and of course countless more numbers of dead Iraqis. Sure I would like to see a game that depicts real fierce street battles and surreal killing fields and vivid urban fighting between the foreign invading forces pitted against rival Iraqi FREEDOM fighters or what the US ARMY terms Foreign Fighters (notice they never give the Iraqis any credit) which by the way were ONLY defending their homeland against the so called American liberators or aggressors (depending on which side you choose to play the game) I for one will be interested in playing ANY side because I know for sure BOTH sides kicked ASS until white phosphorous bombs were dropped at Fallujah and that is when the game ended in a stalemate!!!

Lswgamer
Lswgamer

Uh, you know this is GAMEspot, so could you find another forum to discuss this? look, im not taking sides, mainly because I am not from any of those sides but I gotta say that this is getting ridiculous. anyway this game looks like it's going to be good but pretty short, just six days. well, if they make it right even the shortest game can be great. could do with a bigger war anyway. well, it depends on the makers.

SickBastard2
SickBastard2

First I must say invading IRAQ represented evilness more than goodness because IRAQ had nothing to do (whatsoever) with the murderous and evil acts on 9/11 nor did the United States or the so called Allied forces ever found any traces of weapons of mass destructions in IRAQ which the US administration under (BUSH, RICE and POWELL) used as a pretext to invade and destroy the relatively young nation of IRAQ but the irony is, the US Forces themselves used WMDs (MK 77 firebombs) in the battles for Baghdad International Airport and later in Fallujah and dropped them on cities and killed thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians in the so called liberation of Iraq (Google HIDDEN MASSACRE). This senseless war was perpetrated by OIL hungry moguls spearheaded by the US administration bent on profiting billions of dollars from the misery of millions of Iraqis so they created a FABELED ENEMY (Google it) and fooled millions of Americans because I do not know if many of you are aware (maybe subconsciously) but the last time we checked the annals of history that whole invasion of Iraq was WRONG, BOGUS and was never a good idea or about goodness (it has the stench of Satan) it was based on deceptions, lies and fabrications made by BUSH, CHANEY, the BLAIR witch and their cohorts in the western world (maybe the Masons are behind this) and were made to be believed by average peace loving Americans and was never believed by any other rational person around the world. The US armed forces and other allied forces (Brits/Spaniards/Italians and few others) were recklessly deployed to invade and destroy the moderate nation of Iraq and suffered thousands of losses and casualties (only because Iraq or ancient Mesopotamia wanted to keep their head up and DEFEND their HOMELAND) BUSH orchestrated this EVIL deed against the Iraqi people and cooked up this conflict which was about OIL because it is obvious it was not about freedom, democracy, liberty or about eradicating terrorism because it is also evident by now to everyone the Iraqis were never involved in the attacks on America and it is only clear by now it was the other way around. BUSH, CHANEY and company duped and fooled the American public in this unlawful Iraq war and these high former US officials and special members of this secret society profited from the war effort enormously as his administration borrowed billions from the US budget and bankrupted and squandered the US economy on this illegal war and who suffered in the end?? Hundred thousands dead Iraqi civilians in a broken country, thousands dead and wounded American GIs, the US economy is left in a disastrous state and in shambles and the whole world continues to pay the price for that stupid and endless war while BUSH retires in an eight million dollars mansion fancier than Hotel Saddam and he is living comfortably somewhere in Texas while young American GIs continue to die for his cause

spence404
spence404

"spence404 - are you seriously saying that churchill begged you to go to war?not heard of pearl harbour then" No never heard of it, now are YOU being serious? Read it again if you didn't get it the first time, perhaps "beg" was a little strong, but what would you call it? Let's see.. he called pres. Roosevelt how many times urging we enter the war asap. We were already sending you supplies despite U-boat attacks. He wanted us to enter mainly because he didn't trust Stalin. I said nothing about this being the reason WHY we entered the war. I'm not here for ww2 history, like I said ,I didn't bring it up in the first place, your fellow countryman did. I stopped comenting on his posts because I find him to be too anti-American for me to talk to, and I get the feeling he want's to re-live our 1783 victory all over again. I have no disire to get dragged into his brilliant little flame game at this point. I stand by my comments to him and you , and I sure hope you don't become as anti-American as some of his posts point him out to be. I don't agree with everything my country does and alot of Americans laugh at ourselves at some of the things that happen here (I could go on all day discribing this but will not). I'm not in here saying we are the masters of the world or that we are right all the time in how we deal with other countries, hell we have more than enough problems of our own. I ,just like alot of people in the US, would run this country different if given the chance. It's funny you jump on me for saying we would be dealing with the "Germanic Iles of Britain", but you failed to understand why I said this, then you only comment on what I said in retaliation for a rude comment that was made by your friend, do you understand what I mean? Then this turns out to be a USA vs Britian thing, that is stupid when we are allies to begin with. Well I'm no longer going to play along with this part of a discussion that has nothing to do with this thread anyway. As I've said already, I stand by my statements against his anti-American rudeness and hope you will not carry the torch for him, I don't have the time for it. I said originally(to someone else in fact), that the US military is the most powerful in the world, and quite possibly this history of the world IMO. Yes I said this and it became something entirely different for reasons beyond my control. I figured someone from China or Russia would take this and run with it , not someone from the UK. Believe it or not,i'm not anti UK at all, the discussion your friend took me to makes it seem like I am. I stated a few times already how I feel about your country, I feel the same about my own, I just dont get on my high horse and degrade others about there's without a good reason if at all. read what he and I have said and you will understand where I come from ,unless of course, you feel the same as he does about Americans. Btw , you are wrong about American schools, I took European/world history in high school, along with most everyone else, unless you live in the sticks. It is also wrong to Generalize a people based on the few things you know about them, I don't go around saying all people from the UK eat spotted dick and don't brush their teeth just because I've seen a Brit with bad teeth eating it lol. To say "Americans think" or "Americans do" is not correct or smart. I may not think or have ever done any of the things you come to think "Americans" think or do. Also anyone who thinks England is France is probably getting on the "short bus" for a ride home. So you think just because your friend see's this small part of the US that we all are this way? wow No wonder some of you Brits in here look down on us ,with all this BAD informationyou have about us. Begs the question ,how much about us and our short history do you know?.

Jhraxlin
Jhraxlin

Meh, not one for third person shooters, though the concept is cool.

alastairf
alastairf

*linked to america not europe

alastairf
alastairf

and also practically every time ive had a conversation with an american and we disagree on something, they retaliate with "youd be speaking German if it were'nt for us" - im not saying you do (even though you just did) but americans definately do. The only reason americans think that is because history education in schools in america has no european history unless its somehow linked to europe. just ask one of my friends - he lived in america and at his school most kids thought england was in france.

alastairf
alastairf

spence404 - are you seriously saying that churchill begged you to go to war?not heard of pearl harbour then

mikees1
mikees1

Also,spence404,The language we both speak is a Germanic language brought by Saxons,Jutes and Angles to England (or Britainia as it was before they came) and latter to America when we colonised it.So in actuality i (and i dont know your ethnic make up) and a large group of Americans (those decended from us) are talking a form of German anyway.

mikees1
mikees1

Spence404.Quite frankly some of your arguments are laughable! Lets start with the Harrier (Not AV-8b, it wasnt given that designation until after WE sold it to you in the 80s), i have trawled the web looking for Macdonnel Douglas (both very Scottish sounding names haha) involvement and guess what...none until the 80s and even then it was a BaE/MD collaberation.We've had the Hawker Sidley Harrier since the mid 60s if we were funded by the U.S how come you waited nearly 15 yrs to take order of it? Just another case of America hijacking our ideas and claiming them for there own as you did with t.v,radio and doubtlessly internet in yrs to come. Abrams: Australia didnt purchase Challenger because it was more expensive than the Abrams.End of story! And this American opinion that all of us Brits would be talking German is as outright comical as it sounds! You didnt enter the war until 41 (and if youd have used the Radar properly that we gave you Peal Harbour wouldnt have happened!) and we hadnt been invaded then nor were we about to be,the threat of invasion was killed of in the skys over England in the June-Sept Battle of Britain.Yes opperation Sealion as Hittler called the invasion of England was maintain momentum with the build up of barges on the France/Belgium coast but because he couldnt gain air supperiority the plan was aborted.All done to the men of the RAF and their Hurricanes and Spitfires (are you going to claim any of them as your own lol).Churchill actualy went on record as saying that "if German Troops land on English beaches gas will be used" and quite rightly so.The pipelines under the English Chanel that fueled yours and our Armys in the march to Berlin began life as a weapon to set the sea and anything on it(ie German barges,Ships ect) on flames.PLUTO it was called (pipe line under the ocean) look it up, because your troops wouldnt have got far without it visa vie Mulbury Harbours,Baily Bridges, Flail tanks the list goes on (again). As a postscript to this paragraph-what language is it you speak? not Navaho is it? why is that dyou think that is?food for thought there lol I dont need to argue with someone 4500 miles away about the Empire not when i have reminders everytime i go out in this Great country and regarding your opion that the Empire was declining after we lost the States we lost one continent but claimed another.Australia. So in that assumption you are also wrong. I notice also that you have failed to reiterate your claim to a "few hundred troops helping you" is that because you since "googled it"? Without the Empire your country wouldnt exsist, do you think for one minute America would have the world standing it does today if it was entirly native American? Or it could have just ended up colonised by Spaniards and become a Greater Mexico? We'l never know but the facts are we spawned your country and up to a certain our history becomes you history whether you like it or not! Our Army is alot more professional yours and the moans from Washington (Bush era,dont know yet about Obama,but still not long ago) when we recently redeployed our S.A.S (ahh yes the S.A.S,first ever SF unit in the world.Also the model used for Delta force) where they would be serving our troops and not yours.Face it,money cant by you prestige (and im not talking CoD either) or identity somthing America lacks!

spence404
spence404

First off the example given was flawed and wrong, Harrier2 program was a joint US/British therefore was not soley a British platform. This was the example I was given so I brought facts to dispute it. And while i'm here I have to also ask that just because the US uses some outside technology in unison with our own to make powerful weapons, this somehow proves the US military is not the best? I don't understand your thinking here . I didn't bring WW2 into this, he did. Read his posts more carefully next time. Yes the Russians did take Berlin, they raced to get there before the Americans when they had learned we had crossed the Rhine. Your point here? So you are sayin that Germany didn't have you guys on the ropes before the US entered the war? Perhaps someone should have told Churchill because he sure thought so when he was begging the US to enter the war. I really did not want to get into this particular discussion but you two have almost forced me into it somehow, kind funny how that happened. Not an old gem to me mate ,I've never said this in a conversation in my life, I just know a bit about history is all. Believe it or not most Americans have better things to do than sit on a high horse and talk down to others about the wars we've won in the past. I do find it interesting to hear from some Brits how you truly feel about American involvement and supplies on your behalf in conflicts of the past. My grandfather would have loved to hear this back in WW2 days.

alastairf
alastairf

spence404 just thought i would mention a couple of things "BaE systems woldn't have even got off the ground with your AV-8B Harrier2 program without funding from the United States!" The point is tha it was designed and created by brits, even if it did have the funding from america - its an example of how america isnt the best in the world because it relies on others to produce key technologies and funds them. "In fact, you would not be leasing anything to us if the US never got into the war when it did in ww2, we may have been leasing land form the Germanic Isles of Britan instead." well thats an old gem americans bring out of the bag when it comes to international relations. Its just plain not true - where did most germans die? on the eastern front (7/10 as i have mentioned before). Who took Berlin? oh yeah - it was the russians again, they had control over the capital's crucial control points and waited for the british and americans to take the rest of it. Of course i appreciate the amount of battles the americans thought in the war and they were certainly invaluable in crucial in certain situations but by no means did you win the war. "There are many other examples of decline, India, Ireland,Borneo,Sudan,the middle East in the 1950's and 60's just to name a very few." erm... thats after the victorian era mate (which mikees1 rightly said was the end of our dominant era). enough said. Dont really know anything else about challenger armour or anything. Just thought i would interject with some truths and facts.