SCEA critiques 360 HD-DVD

Sony's US publicity chief, Dave Karraker, calls external drive for Microsoft's next-gen console "unfortunate," says 360's 1080p resolution not "full HD."

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Earlier this week at the 2006 Tokyo Game Show, Microsoft took the wraps off its external HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360. The add-on, which will cost 20,790 yen (about $177) when it starts selling in Japan on November 22, will play movies on the next-generation video format. HD-DVDs can hold up to 30GB of data on a dual-layered disc. However, Xbox 360 games will still only be available on standard DVDs, which can hold around 9GB on a dual-layered disc.

Both models of the PlayStation 3 come equipped with internal drives that play Blu-ray Discs, the HD-DVD rival that can hold 50GB on a dual-layered disc. Unsurprisingly, this contrast was seized upon by Dave Karraker, the new senior director of corporate communications for Sony Computer Entertainment America.

In a rebuttal issued late last night, Karraker criticized Microsoft's decision to make the 360 drive optional. "It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer," he said. "Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content."

Karraker also took a potshot at Microsoft's recent announcement that the 360 would support 1080p video resolution. "Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature," charged the executive. "Upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box."

While the software update for the Xbox 360 will upscale existing games to 1080p, a Microsoft rep told GameSpot earlier this week that it will also be able to handle content made specifically for 1080p, if developers choose to create it. However, Microsoft today declined to comment on Karraker's statements, which are the latest salvo in a war of words between the big three next-gen console makers.

Discussion

374 comments
Merc1319
Merc1319

pfft, socialist propaganda

Brutalus7
Brutalus7

It's unfortunate that Sony's PS3 will cost $600 and be under-utilized. Microsoft realizes the vast majority of people don't have HDTV's and in 5 years when they do, there will be a new generation of consoles on the market.

ReaperXxxx
ReaperXxxx

It is so easy to accurately upscale from 1080i to 1080p that under most curcumstances you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an upscaled image and a native 1080p image (a lot of 1080p TVs, actually do not accept 1080p signals, but rather upconvert the 1080i signal). And that only applies if the screen is above 52" in size, notherwise the human eye isn't even capable of descerning 1080p from 1080i. This is all just marketing bluster and nothing more. Sometimes I question whether the company officials making the statements fully comprehend this level of technology or are just spitting out what they hear the tech-folks say. Notice how Sony just disregards the competition while Microsoft admits when they are impressed by a competitor's innovation.

visli
visli

Karraker made a good point. In near future we'll see if he was or wasn't right. The situation on the market will change drastically after the launch of Wii and Ps3. I wonder who will be stupid enough to buy X360 then. I would like to ask Microsoft why they recently talked so much about Sony and Ps3 and 1080p resolution. They said: "Who needs 1080p rez, Sony's pushing too much" And now Microsoft is preparing a software update to enable 1080p resolution on X360, i guess then somebody needs 1080p. What a bunch of crap from ****

Beer_cap
Beer_cap

wow drumboy54321123 sure has some hat issues, and the sad thing is he probably lives in AMERICA! but other than that i got my money on HD-DVD simply because a blue ray player is $1000 and an HD-DVD player is $500. You can do the math

nestea_king
nestea_king

LOL, I know I'm going to sound like someone who knows whats going to happen but, oh well. After Sony comes in third place in the console wars, I want someone to interview Ken Kuturagi and ask him "Hey, Ken-san remember back in late 2006 when you said "Sony doesn't care" and how you think the Xbox 360 isn't "true HD", how do you feel about those comments now, knowing that you lost the console war by many millions?" Just to see what he would say, and to rub it in his face. He'd probably stand up and beat the crap out of the reporter lol. Also, to drumboy54321123. You racist ba*****, I'm not even American but thats offensive. Don't call an entire nation stupid for something that you believe a few people did to be stupid. You're the stupid one for even saying that.

LoWpS
LoWpS

"Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies." whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt... the Wii is more next-gen than the 360 or PS3... IMO. It certainly doesnt need HD. Though a little more pixels couldnt hurt...

stoutlad
stoutlad

Wow. It is amazing how cocky, self-absorbed d*cks Sony are. They could show a little maturity and call the 360 a worthy competitor, but no, they pull bull crap like " A HD patch? Bwahahah! A patch won't make it TRUE HD!" Go sit in the corner and take a time out Sony, and come back to the industry when you have grown up and discovered this thing we call maturity.

espoac
espoac

Microsoft really messed up when they didn't include a high capacity drive on the 360. Since the beginning of videogames games have gotten bigger, 3 years from now i wouldn't be suprised if we start seeing cross platform titles where the xbox 360 version is missing content, did you ever play perfect dark without an expansion pack? and i don't care how much compression power the 360 has because in the end the ps3 has more.

JBiker51
JBiker51

Sony is scared because they know that they've already lost; calling 360 not "true HD"? Ha! That's why I switched from PS2 to XBox 360.

drumboy54321123
drumboy54321123

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microwaveman
microwaveman

wow. i dont see how anyone could find a problem with a 1080p patch. i think it shows how MS is keeping the 360 up to date. but that's just me. sony really seems desperate now that they are bashing the patch. also, DVD9 will work just fine, spare a lot of high def movies, and if the developers need more space, make two discs, dvds are like 50 cents to make. (as opposed to almost 10 bucks for a blu ray disc.)

iMuffins
iMuffins

Sony needs to wake up and smell the ****ing coffee...

FATMAN87
FATMAN87

wow sony is just so cocky, there sure to lose out

EikoAtoride
EikoAtoride

For 1080p to see in "True HD", I would need a much larger TV (50''?) that I cannot store anywhere (otherwise I would lack the ability to store my games, books, dvds and cds properly - oh, and yes, my clothes, my plants, my desk, my chair, my bed...) I wouldn't mind if I could change my TV to not up-scaling the 720p to my screen-size of 1366x768 but I still prefer 720p over 1080i. It looks so much cleaner. 1080p is something for folks that cannot get things enough in life and such, its support or not doesn't matter to me. Go to hell, Sony, when all you can do is bashing your competitors so that your console sells better. Unfortunately, their will always be people that believe you. On the other hand, if someones gives way for that desperate measures... he must be really afraid. :) The external HD-DVD-drive is good imho. This way, you put no extra-expensive technology in you console which isn't even set as the standard, yet. So, if the HD-DVD fails, you have no technology in your console which isn't supported and rare (and thus has few production factories and thus is expensive).

Curly21029
Curly21029

More desparation from Sony...what a surprise. While I'm not planning to buy a PS3 any time soon, I'm still pulling for its success. Competition leads to better products. However, Sony just seems to make themselves look worse and worse. If your product is so good, stop knocking the competition and sell your own on merit. Now, my personal take on the "next gen" formats. They're unnecessary right now as a game or movie format. I see its benefit as a pure storage format for computer files, but that's about it. Furthermore, I think Microsoft made the right decision in making HD-DVD an option. Not everyone needs it so why should everyone have to pay for it? Another reason why this is good for Microsoft: it will sell. I'm expecting the HD-DVD add-on to retail for around $199.99 when it reaches the States, and with that price tag many will purchase it because it can be perceived as cheap. There will be many thinking "hmmmm...for only a few hundred bucks I can upgrade to HD movies!" I know I may consider it for the release of "Beside You In Time." (the new Nine Inch Nails live DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray...get it early 2007!)

VegetaMaelstrom
VegetaMaelstrom

Once again, both Bluray and HDDVD drives are backwards compatable. They can play DVDs and CDs as well as their own format. So if someone gets one of these new drives, they won't have to 'throw out' their existing DVDs.

Chris875
Chris875

No way am I getting anything HD/dvd or Blue ray. What am I supposed to do with all my dvds? I think I'll save my cash for more games. As far as 1080p, I'll take the free update but honestly I can't tell the difference from 720p to 1080i so I doubt I would notice one with 1080p. It's like spliting hairs.

revisionflash
revisionflash

dont believe this as truth, of course sony isnt gonna say that it is good.

cybergooch
cybergooch

Drumachine7713, working at Best Buy (I'm assuming it's Best Buy) doesn't convince me yet that you are SELLING (talking people into upgrading from either a less expensive model or no choice at all, not agreeing that they picked the right one and putting it on a cart.) 5 units a day. Compression is the future-- Sony is just trying to play on the few lazy developers that don't WANT to compress or dind't try hard enough to make it fit. That was an issue a few years ago when even at the PS2's height, some developers were complaining that DVD9 wasn't big enough to complete their work. The tools program designed by the hardware manufacturer (Sony, Msoft, Nintendo) is such that the developer CAN fit their programs on allotted media space. Compression has come a long way since Xbox 1 and PS2, trust me, 50 gigs is WAY TOO MUCH space for just games. Let's just say that SOMEONE is trying to spearhead a certain next-gen DVD format and has tickled some people in the right spot...gamers. They've OBVIOUSLY done a good enough job at marketing as they've amassed "PS3" acolytes..scratch that, ZOMBIES, that worship the console BEFORE anyone has been able to play with it. Mindless zombies that say "PS3 pwns" and "PS3 will win again". Win what? Is it like the Ryder Cup or the Super Bowl? Do they get lavished fabulous prizes and gifts and sent on trips to Saturn or Alpha Centauri? Please tell me, what do they win? It is still early and we haven't seen (or PLAYED) anything from that camp; expect nothing so you won't be surprised either way.

jeremygordontx
jeremygordontx

Sounds like more crow to eat for them later. Face it, Microsoft has had a plan since the day after the original Xbox came out, and they are following it to the letter, and they are shaming Sony. Sony definitely has a platform on which they can take over, but none of it is READY. By the time they fulfill their misbegotten vision for PS3, the Xbox 720 will be out. :-)

DemonKaiba
DemonKaiba

Yes Sony yes continue to make urselves look like what you have is a top notch product when u dont. I love this all this talk about what you could do but you didnt do and still want gamers to trust what could come up to $1000 on your machine? Come on, do we look like some freakin' idiots? Dont feed us bs on our sites interferring wit our chats wit hot babes all day lol (Napoleon Dynamite classic) Im stickin wit my 360 and Nintendo. Isn't there talk about Nintendo finally getting some quality violence on their system? I hope so I'd really love to see Mario break his brown boot up Bowser's candy ass instead of swingin him by his freakin tail! But it's such a distant dream lol

Riverwolf007
Riverwolf007

This is actually pretty easy to settle. Go to your local best buy or circuit city or whatever and look at the formats. I am getting a ps3 no doubt but the simple truth is hd-dvd looks better, i saw the demo blu-ray player and seriously folks it was not as good looking as the hd-dvd demo playing right next to it on the same tv. The sales guy said it was because the blu-ray digital transfer is not as good but who knows. I may end up getting the 360 add on because its going to be cheap and there are going to be movie exclusives that i may want.

Myke_Kreed
Myke_Kreed

Wow....what a convincing and eye-opening rebuttal. I'm glad Sony took the altuistic route of warning us about their competitors product.

mike_mgoblue
mike_mgoblue

Announcement: Airlines ban Sony battery laptops by Dell & Apple I just thought I would do my fellow gamers a favor by pointing out some interesting information that I recently found out. All of the major airlines are now banning laptop computers from Dell and Apple, because those laptop computers now have a bad reputation due to the defective Sony batteries that power them. The defective Sony batteries are flammable, and can explode! As a result, Virgin Airlines and many others have officially banned laptops from Dell and Apple computer. You can read about these unfortunate facts associated with the defective Sony batteries at this website: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/15/virgin-bans-dell-apple-batteries-on-flights/

mike_mgoblue
mike_mgoblue

According to information provided by Sony at the Tokyo Game Show, the Playstation 3 is apparently NOT BACKWARD COMPATIBLE! You can read about this at this website: next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3862&Itemid= Sony says that PSOne and PS2 games can be played on the Playstation 3 "as downloadable content, for a fee." If PS2 and PSOne games need to be downloaded for a fee in order to be played on the Playstation 3, it means the Playstation 3 is NOT BACKWARD COMPATIBLE like the Playstation 2 is. Looks like Sony was deceiving people all along...AGAIN!

Kravyn81
Kravyn81

:lol: @ earlthecannibal. Nice :D

_Sam_
_Sam_

I still need a HDTV

earlthecannibal
earlthecannibal

Did you guys hear about the 800 different bosses edition of Devil may cry 4 on one disc? LOL

earlthecannibal
earlthecannibal

Blu-ray- SUCKS! do you mean to tell me games as big as WOW on less than one disc? two questions--- WHY? WHEN?--

casmar82
casmar82

I agree with silverfang6 plus there one more thing that Drumachine7713 forgot to mention was that the $2499 sony tv that does 1080p are the crappy projection screen tv's that get the BURN-IN effect on the screen when playing games on them yeah what a good investment. The only way to play video games on HD is either LCD or a tube TV and also a media projector, you get better quality using those three the only problem is that to get 1080p on these is very expensive i'm sure they might be some out there that are under $2,000 for an LCD but can you really trust the brand and I don't think that tube tv's will have 1080p since they are dying out, as for the projector well if you want one that has HDMI and 1080p well hows $4500 and more. What about Plasma well there are some out there but they have the same problem with "Big Screen" TV's they burn in, so unless you want to see the Madden display Burn-In while playing Gran Turismo then be my guest and waste your money on a crappy TV. Besides all those TV's you sell Drumachine7713 are better for watching movies not playing games the people that buy them is because they are the cheapest price, people don't really check the Pro's and Con's of what the TV can do. Gueezz this gets better and better when people or FANBOYS get offended with the reality of what could be the last of SONY can anyone say ENRON.

tartar23
tartar23

-Ronin-_basic "Something that PS3 can do out of the box." He left out the part about "for more money". Yes , I totally agree , It'd have done that if the PS3 came with ANY CABLES !!! $ONY is so CHEAP that they aren't supplying cables . So , nothin out of the box for you SONY fan-boys .

silverfang6
silverfang6

alright drumachine7713 lets put your opinion into account with wanting BIGGER AND BETTER GAMES....there is only one problem with that Bigger dosen't mean Better... Mario was only on a 8 meg cart and it's a classic... Compression is the way of the future if you can squash a 50 gig game onto a 8 gig disk then why waste the space...if you remember MP3 and digial subscribion services are the result of compression...the reason why we see the internet the way we do is because of compression. I personally don't want a pc game that is going to take 20 gigs of hard drive space to install and I think sony will pull a FFXI eventually because "bigger and better" and sollow 20 gig of hard drive space to play a game.... and the best part is the fact when you got 50 gigs on a disk I wonder how fast the loading times will be .....seeing how u know so much about blu ray and tvs I pretty sure you seen the problems they been having especially when tryin to load a movie takes 20 mins.... And yes there are 1080P televisions flooding the market finally but two things you should of mentioned are the fact that you need a tv over 37" to even being to see the benifits of 1080P and two they are freaking expensive compared to a standard 1080I television so i stand by my opinion the PS3 is full of hot air and bigger isnt better we need to make things smaller and just because it has the newest guts don't mean it's going to be the best just means it's going to cost more

Drumachine7713
Drumachine7713

I keep hearing about how there is only 1% of people that have a 1080p HDTV and that there is no need for a 50gb disc. I also saw that someone wrote that there are only 5 1080p TV's out right now. Where do you guys get your information? I sell at least 5 1080p TV's a day by myself! The store is doing at least 30 a day and that is really going to just this holiday season. No one comes in and wants anything less than 1080p and with about 15 different choices and all in different sizes there is actually alot to look at. A 50" Sony SXRD 1080p HDTV is $2499. That's really not that much, and this is coming from the company that is "just interested in your money". Ok enough about that, now onto Blu-ray. This is not a Sony only venture. Blu-ray is backed by 7of 8 major motion picture companies, every electronics designer, besides Toshiba and Microsoft, is backing Blu-ray, and on Nov. 17 400,000 Blu-ray players will be sold in america. Do you mean to tell me that those 400,000 people are not going to get at least one Blu-ray movie (which is the exact same price as HD-DVD movies) to at least try it out. This is the same way that DVD became the fastest accepted new format ever, it will happen again. I don't think it will happen as fast but it will happen. Sony has already said that the games don't have to use Blu-ray but it is still an option. "Oblivion fit on a DVD". Great so you don't want anything bigger and better? You don't want gaming to live up to it's full potential? Of course you do. Ask Bethesda how much they had to compress that game. Why don't you guys just wait and see what it can actually do before you start saying it not needed because I'm sure in a year or two that microsoft will wish they had it.

vaughnvdg
vaughnvdg

BLU-RAY WILL GET NO PLAY(AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED)!

mad_max01
mad_max01

Jtweedd "did it ever occur to anyone that your fighting over the words of a salesman? Niether of these companies care about your loyalty." What you said is very hard to top off by these fan-boys. I salute you.

Poltergeist13
Poltergeist13

At least I have choice if I wanna drop the cash on the HD-DVD drive. All the game space for the blu-ray disc will mostly go to regional versions of a game title. Who you kidding Sony?

aznjeon89
aznjeon89

It's amazing that the SCEA is bashing microsoft for giving its consumers a choice. i mean, i really dont want anything in the new format yet. i honestly cant tell the difference between the upper HD formats. honestly, and this is just an opinion, but i think sony is getting nervous right now over the future of the PS3.

vhuynh67
vhuynh67

Yeah! I'm so looking forward to buying a 50Gb game. 9Gb games today cost me $60. Let's see, 50Gb games will run at $333 a piece. For the sophisticate business analysts out there, I've never achieved any advanced education beyond grade schools, thus, my simplistic linear calculation. Here's the catch phrase: Playing Over-G Fighter in full HD Blue Ray graphic only for $333.

Kravyn81
Kravyn81

It doesn't matter "true" 1080p since the HD penetration isn't that high to begin with. Only a very percent of the market are going to be able to enjoy "true" 1080p :roll: Maybe Sony should start giving away HDTVs as well, otherwise it doesn't matter one damn bit what is true or not. In another ten or fifteen years when HDTVs are standard THEN it will matter.

ApisBee
ApisBee

VolcanoMan001 ? I wouldn't "quite" say the 1080I is the same resolution as 1080P. It is more like 720P is similar to 1080I. The 1080I only displays like 540 lines of new data per frame, while the remaining 540 line display the previous image. Although you see a 1080 image, every other line of the frame displayed is of the previous image. The interlace works nice for watching TV, it does make for a less than clean gamming image. I'd take 720P over 1080I any day. But I will take a true 1080P over that.

-Ronin-_basic
-Ronin-_basic

"Something that PS3 can do out of the box." He left out the part about "for more money".

SCO__1984
SCO__1984

Who was smarter: Sony: here's Blu-Ray here's our higher price take it or leave it. MS: Here's our console and here's the option to have a HD-DVD drive, or just enjoy the console by itself at a lesser price .