Report: Sony 'pleaded' with third-party PS3 developers

<i>San Jose Mercury News</i>' Dean Takahashi claims the PlayStation maker has been humbly asking outside publishers to be patient with its labor-intensive platform.

Last week ended with game-industry analysts bemoaning "dismal" sales of the PlayStation 3 this past September. However, all the number-crunching obscured a nugget of potentially more troubling news for the future of Sony's console.

In his latest column, San Jose Mercury News columnist and noted author Dean Takahashi claims that this year, "Sony [has] pleaded with third-party developers not to abandon its struggling platform. That change in attitude is a marked difference compared to the arrogance of past years."

Takahashi concurs with the widespread opinion that the PS3 is being sliced with a double-edged sword: Development for its games is labor-intensive, while its installed base lags behind that of the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360. As of the end of September, only about 1.9 million units of the PS3 had sold in the US since the system launched in November 2006, according to research firm the NPD Group.

By contrast, just over 4.5 million units of the Wii, which also launched last November, have been sold. The Xbox 360 has moved about 6.8 million units domestically since its November 2005 launch despite a highly public--and expensive--hardware failure problem.

"The argument is that the PS3 will show its strength as developers learn how to make games for it," surmised Takahashi. "But developers know they can staff four or five Wii teams with the same number of people it takes to make one PS3 game. We may have a glut of Wii games soon, but that's not as bad as not having enough games on the PS3."

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Momade
Momade

@goldeneye_basic lol... Thanks for the advice...perhaps i'll do that.

sscloud123
sscloud123

ps3 fans seem to be just like Cube fans, bitter that people didn't like their console as much as the competition, while saying to themselves that they were right and everyone else was wrong. I hope they just learn to enjoy games without having to feel like justifying their choice or belittling other peoples choices.

goldeneye_basic
goldeneye_basic

Hey Momade, do you have that post saved somewhere and any time there is news about the PS3 or 360 you just copy and paste that fanboy rant?

goldeneye_basic
goldeneye_basic

darkride66 It's not "kinda like the article above." The name of the guy is in the article. Yeah he may have his own bias, but that wasn't my point about the article that you referenced, which is more than a year old. Why would I believe anything in an article where the sources aren't listed. You must believe anything you read if you agree with it. Much more reputable news agencies like CBS news have reported false information. So some article with no references posted by some guy on a website does not make it accurate. At least the article above names Dean Takahashi.

Arcanum
Arcanum

Pie_FOREVER does have a good point, and so does darkride66 on his first post. That said, it is possible that Sony had a certain "attitude" in the past based on the dominance of the PS2 system, and now that the PS3 is Currently playing catchup, and we can all agree that there is a learning curve for developers (reported by developers and Sony, cant recall where) now working on the PS3 that Sony will make an attitude change. That doesnt surprise me. There are very good games out for the PS3, and more are comming... My point is that we Want Sony to court the independant developer to make games for the PS3, so we gamers have more Choice, more Choice means Competition, and that means Better Games for US!

darkride66
darkride66

Standard_222. The 360 has a 30% defective rate. So far the reports on the PS3 are less then 1%. The reason for 5 months is I've had to go through this 4 times now, and each time is about a month and a half (the first time was the quickest at only a couple of weeks). This is the first time, from my Vic-20 up, that I've ever had a problem. I guess I was due.

darkride66
darkride66

goldeneye_basic. "The developers don't even want to be named for some reason. So, it is hard to believe an article where the sources are afraid to be named." Huh. Kinda like the article above. Except Dean Takahashi has a book about the 360 he wants you to buy.

dorohala
dorohala

I swear this report is old, PS3 fans don`t worrie because once the ps3 games come out next year in 2008 then there will be changes. You will see the power of the PS3.

PseudoFinrod
PseudoFinrod

Amen, Pie_FOREVER! I was about to leave a comment, but I don't think I could put it any better than you did.

Standard_222
Standard_222

@ darkride66. I understand your point, and I too have had my 360 go down. I've also had the same problem with my PS2 when it first came out, my nintendo broke, my snes took a dump, my gamecube ended up not working, and I've read the report about PS3's coming out at 30% defective rate. Don't you remember the nightmare that was PSP's? I think everyone's had a VCR, DVD, or Stereo go bad. They go bad because no electronics system last forever. That being said, as a gamer X360 offers the best in terms of games. And if this report is true, then Sony's in big trouble if they can't produce the software. I don't know why it's taken 5 months for you, but it only took 5 weeks for me to get my 360 back. I think you just had a bad experience.

goldeneye_basic
goldeneye_basic

darkride66 "I found this article that has a different take from our friend here who has a book about the 360 he's selling. "Senior developers working on PlayStation 3 titles have told GamesIndustry.biz that reports of serious problems with the system's Cell and RSX hardware are "misleading and uninformed." http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17547" That article was posted in July 2006, a half year before the PS3 even came out. Therefore, they haven't seen all of the delays on the PS3 from that point in time. The developers don't even want to be named for some reason. So, it is hard to believe an article where the sources are afraid to be named. It's not like the statement's they made in the article were trade secrets. The Internet is full of misinformation.

glhx2112
glhx2112

I'm not going to bash $ony, this is a story that has repeated itself over and over since the begining of Video Game systems. Then newest system is always more difficult to make games for. When the next gen systems hit the market, we will see this "news" again, but It may be connected with MS or Nintendo next time....

sscloud123
sscloud123

They deserved it for being arrogant. Anyone arrogant deserves humbling.

Pie_FOREVER
Pie_FOREVER

It's funny how seriously people are taking this stuff. Honestly, tell me this. How the hell does the outcome of whoever "wins" or "loses" this war affect you in any way, shape, or form? THEY'RE JUST VIDEO GAMES. VID-E-O GAMES. GET OVER YOURSELVES I mean in all honesty, what purpose does this article have other than to annoy, offend, and get a meaningless argument started amongst uninformed fanboys? This is sensationalistic, wreckless journalism at it's finest.

darkride66
darkride66

Homerj. I know I mentioned this to you before but perhaps you missed it, or weren't interested but I'll try again. Just google "attach rates" and your first hit will be an interesting article from industry analysts regarding high attach rates vs. installed user base. The higher costs of developing for the PS3 doesn't really seem to be hindering the games in development, or already released. The system should have about 100 games out by Christmas, which is close to the Xbox 360 in it's first year, and we know that sales are on par with what the 360 did. Factor in the Blu-Ray's that PS3 buyers are buying, that they wouldn't have if they didn't own a PS3 and I don't think Sony should worry overly much. Weekly numbers for the PS3 seem to indicate that the price cut is already having an effect, selling almost double the 360's worldwide last week.

thekey
thekey

@Momade "M$ & Sony are very much alike (BOTH ARE ARROGANT)!" Yes but sony is more so. At least MS didn't talk smack they talked with there HD games, sony still talking about how much better Blu-ray is, and then they keep promoting new Blu-ray release movies instead of New PS3 games(Which I hate, that's why I'm fully critical of PS3 and sony. That and there terrible customer service, and overrated overpriced products) MS is not and electronics company.(And I'm not bringing this point up to argue about which console is better, I'm just arguing about the fact that sony isn't really foucussed on making PS3 games there foucussed on the there Blu-ray movie format winning. And that's why I'm so angy at sony and the PS3 right now. WHERE'S THE GREAT GAMES THEY'RE KNOWN FOR? (sony you've been releasing consoles for 12 years you should know how to launch them and get games out in time for your console by now, no matter how "new" the technology is!)

SkankinForFalco
SkankinForFalco

Yes. But Homer there are also people who say the PS3 is not complicated just new.. and new things are never easy to work with at first... Besides professional "Analysts" said that the Wii would fail and the PS3 would be on top.. Somehow that seems grim. "Pro's" are people too.

thekey
thekey

motherboop "The xbox 360 is the number one selling system because everyone ends up buying 3 of them. and as for ps3, 100 games in the first year alone isn't terribly bad at all. " Just like the PS2. Then the 2500 games was released for it afterwards. If they don't get the games, I afraid the PS3 will be doomed.(Like Clear Pepsi.)

darkride66
darkride66

Standard_222. "Isn't it funny when people mock the 360 because of "hardware problems?" Is that really the only thing you have against it?" Yes! Dear god, yes! I love the games but since I bought my console at launch I've been without it for a total of 5 months due to returns (the second last one they still haven't paid me back my $170 cdn for). With 80+ decent games on the PS3, it has more than filled the gap left by my constantly missing in action 360. I hope my latest console is finally one of the "good" ones. Halo 3 is a lot of fun and I haven't had a chance to finish Bioshock yet. Homerj - and yet Insomniac seems to be having no problem making killer games on the PS3 and Ubisoft made Haze exclusive to the PS3. Makes you wonder...

swamplord666
swamplord666

Wow what a cat fight this is! seriously every console has it's ups and downs. X360 is handicapped, PS3 has gender issues and Wii is still a little child (doesn't appeal to the "hardcore" gamers). Also every platform has it's exclusives that you wished you had in on: X360 has Halo 3 , Bioshock, Mass Effect, etc; PS3 has Killzone 2, heavenly sword, uncharted, MGS4, etc; and Wii has mario galaxy, SSBB, Metroid 3, etc... Each platform has games i wish i could own and bite my own hand in annoyance that i can't own it. In a perfect world I'd have all 3! But as i'm a student and money is scarce, I am going to buy the one that has the most appeal in terms of the GAMES AND THE FUTURE ONES. In this case i have always been going to get a PS3 not because i like sony (sony are arrogant a-holes whose marketing team has equal intelligence to chimpanzees) but because the games that have and will come out appeal to me much more than the other two (what with the developers of ICO and shadow of collosus planning another game for PS3 :D :D). So bottom line is just choose a console whose games appeal to you more, not for what's under the hood, instead of bashing the other consoles.

Homerj
Homerj

"Apparently everyone here is developing a game for the PS3 so they know how complicated it is" I'm just a long term consumer in the industry. I am taking the word of Valve, Midway, EA, Ubi, Epic (they have done so only grudgingly due to exclusivity contracts with Sony) and other major software developers that I have grown to respect as a consumer over the years. I always say that when in doubt....defer to experts.

motherboop
motherboop

The xbox 360 is the number one selling system because everyone ends up buying 3 of them. and as for ps3, 100 games in the first year alone isn't terribly bad at all.

Homerj
Homerj

"Oh man, get a grip. How many times does it need to be pointed out that the PS3 isn't selling badly." Point taken...its not the install base that is killing Sony with devs and consumers. Its also not the price of the console itself. Its the state of software and development on the PS3 thats the problem. Many developers have admitted that they need around 500K copies to turn a profit. With the attach rate on the PS3, the install base would have to exceed 25 million just to approach that number with a good quality release (and unfortuantely, its stands at around 1/5 that right now). Higher dev costs with much lower sales volume = bad business decision...simple equation.

SkankinForFalco
SkankinForFalco

Apparently everyone here is developing a game for the PS3 so they know how complicated it is... I must've forgotten to register for this Websites it's requried to be a Dev.

Homerj
Homerj

"imortiferus. Have a look at that article I posted earlier. The problem with the memory isn't a problem." I believe that Valve, Midway, EA, Ubi, and Epic would disagree with that assessment. When one or two third party devs have problems with a console...you could chalk that up to lazyness or inexperience. When numerous experienced, well respected devs all have the same problem...you have to start looking at the system architecture and/or the SDK as being flawed.

Standard_222
Standard_222

Oh, I forgot to mention. Isn't it funny when people mock the 360 because of "hardware problems?" Is that really the only thing you have against it? The fact that 360's have defects is not news, everyone's aware of it. But yet, they still are the #1 selling system! The reason why, is because of games. If you really like the PS3, then good. You've found your ninche. The only problem I have with the 360, is I can't decide wether I want to play Bioshock, Halo 3, Forza 2, Ace Combat 6, Orange Box, Conan, or just gloat in the anicipation of Mass Effect, Army of 2, or Ninja Gaiden 2. For the PS3, I can't wait to play............................

DMC2677
DMC2677

@jameston80 Maybe u didn't read the part about Sony shooting themselves in both feet..I did say and admit that. So u might want to slow down and get out of the "M$ kool aid" and be objective. M$ rushed the system...fact! Sony dropped the ball...also fact! Both consoles will have great games...fact!!!! (batting 3-3 here LOL) And here's the clincher...the console war is not over...anyone with a brain, Sony supporter or M$ supporter can clearly agree that it's not over by a longshot!!! So tell you what, I'll put down the "Sony punch" if you just step away from the "M$ kool aid" and we can all get along here. Both are great, just give it more than just one year, deal?

Standard_222
Standard_222

I've been saying all along and I can't stress it enough. A consoles success depends on its games. Without games, no console. The original xbox was released almost 2 years after the PS2, and everyone deemed it a failure. But it came into 2nd place just right behind Sony at the end of the generation because it had awesome games. So why is Sony struggling? Because developers are having a hard time making games. I think it halarious when people consider themselves "die hard" fans of the console. Consider why you liked the PS1 & 2? You liked it because it had a bunch of games. That's not the case with the PS3! Sony became arogant and thought, "the name Sony will sell, and game developers rely on us." Well look at them now. How sad!

Momade
Momade

Sony in 2004 Announced at the start that the PS3: 1 - Will have 2 HDMI outputs for Split Screen or Multi Task- LATER IN 2006 WAS REMOVED (DOWNGRADED)! 2 - Will have a Network Hub - LATER IN 2006 WAS REMOVED (DOWNGRADED)! 3 - Will have FULL BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY with ALL 10 YEARS OF LINEUP OF PS1 & PS2 GAMES - LATER IN 2006 WAS REMOVED (DOWNGRADED)! 4 - In 2006 when the PS3 was about to be released Sony said: THAT'S NOT DOWNGRADING! Now I ask! THAT'S NOT DOWNGRADING? NOT DOWNGRADING? Even a small kid knows, that is downgrading! Sony made the Programing so much difficult for Developers, that they can't understand the Code Language, they have to start learning from the scratch! As for the Great M$, they say: DVD SIZE is not an ISSUE! M$, Who Do U Think ur Fooling? Developers will obviously complain about the DVD SIZE! & when they complain, M$ will tell them to SHUT UP - Just cut a few LEVELS, that no one will notice, but keep your mouth shut! M$ & Sony are very much alike (BOTH ARE ARROGANT)!

JASONNoonan
JASONNoonan

OK I have read over comments and i have to just say yes xbox360 (which i own) is dominent on the scale just now because well basicly it has these great games for it ad the xbox live keeps people entertained. The ps3 is low just now because well it just doesnt have the games to supply the selling power and it is very dear lol. I wont even bother saving for it till it gets some good games out. But that said i know the ps3 will begin to rise once it gets its killzone (which i have to say looks sweet) and GTA4 and home ofcourse but on the other hand xbox also has these good games coming like GTA4 and Fable. So all i can conclude is yes xbox wont sell as many as it has and ps3 will take its boost and well they will probably be on par but i dont care whos the best il own both sometime and be happy with both.

jameston80
jameston80

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SkankinForFalco
SkankinForFalco

Lordknight125 But the PS3 isn't that complicated.. Your taking some guy's word over actual developers? "I'd say PS3 was a challenge to work on," he said, "but every new platform takes a while to get used to. Put it like this, I worked on early PS2 games, and those were a real nightmare - we're getting code up and running on PS3 much faster than we did last time around." from http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17547..(stolen from Dark) You should probably read into things before agreeing with them.. Theres two sides of every arguement.

bardkieran
bardkieran

@ Serious - just a note to your statement about the Wii and its graphics... everyone who bought a wii didnt buy it for its graphics or power. they bought it for a new way to play games. most of the people out there were and are pretty content with the ps2/xb/gc graphics level. most people dont need super strong textures or seeing the sweat on the forehead of a basketball player in order to have fun. so yeah, your point is valid, the wii is inferior graphically, but most people bought one knowing that ahead of time. as long as the future games are fun to play with the wiimote, there will be few complaints. =)

DMC2677
DMC2677

Last time I remember, M$ rushed their darling little 360 to the market first just to get the jump on Sony because everybody knew that Sony was working on the PS3 and all the bells and whistles it was going to have (and does have in comparison). M$ knew by being first, they would have the foothold it has now...but at what cost....FAULTY HARDWARE STILL 2 THIS DAY!!!! Yes the warranty is nice, but the sales lead it has??? Hello...2-3 years out on the market but no one wants to acknowledge that. I still say yes...Sony shot itself in both feet at the jump, but this "console war" isn't over yet. Sorry Wii owners, it's really only a 2 horse race. You have your niche so enjoy it while u can.

Lordknight125
Lordknight125

Great developers find it hard to develop ps3 games. Sony is pleading developers? I am not a hater, but I personally think that the ps3 may not recover. They should have dropped the price earlier than the 360. They should have released triple AAA games during the launch to make people crave for it. They should have had an attractive price tag. If only they did not focus on the blue ray. If only the 300+ games that they promised by the end of march would come true. If only they gave their console a more interesting name. If only God of War 3 was here. If only snake would be here to save the day. If only sony didn't rhyme with 360 and wii. if only it was color white just like the other two. If only the rumble was included during the launch. If only the sixaxis was heavier. If only they released their boomerang shaped controller. If only they released it earlier. If only the blue ray has the same price with 360 games. If only Killzone will be a killer. If only their killer ups would have scores above 9.3. If only halo 3 would be ported in the ps3. If only people would buy their expensive product. If only there are more first person shooter in the ps3. If only home would be better than live. If only developers would make games for them. If only its memory is not too small. If only Sony would pour games right now. well

Lordknight125
Lordknight125

i guess 360 owners need not to worry about the hardware failure since there is a 3 year warranty and new chip out in stores. I believe that you are very happy with your sixaxis function without the rumble function. hmmm, that seems to be an add on too. I believe 360 owners are already satisfied with the games that microsoft is giving them and not the add ons( although it would be better if they added it up earlier). Halo is not the only best game in the 360. Others are coming. I am not a hater or fanboy, I may speak like one but I;m just telling the truth and I regret buying a ps3. But i believe I will be very happy with the ps3's killer apps(I hope so) But now, I really like my 360 over the ps3

DMC2677
DMC2677

@ wars45 I do wonder indeed if R&C was for 360, would it have got a higher score? Makes you go...hhmmmmmmmm......... Can we scream BIAS here or what. Every other review gives it at least an 8 or 8.5. Why 7.5 only GS?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Maybe M$ is lining your pockets as well as all the other advertising firms for all the multiplatformers!!!! I bet MGS4 will probably get a 6 here.......

Serious
Serious

Everyone is comparing the Playstation 3's sales to that of the Wii. and granted the Wii is impressive. But does it have staying power? With game graphics getting more and more complex I don't think that this console will be able to shine much longer. and that by late 2008 your going to see the week start to show its lack of power. As for the Xbox. People say look how much its sold. but its been 3 years now. and the lead it had over 10 million units world wide has been cut down to 7 million in less than a year with Halo 3 pushing it. And now that the Halo 3 bubble has burst. We look towards the future of exclusive PS3 titles like Uncharted,Killzone2, MGS4, Eye of Judgement, and Playstation Home. The PS3 is a marvel of technology. If it weren't why has the Xbox 360 gone out of its way to copy HDMI port, Larger HDD and still talk of internal HD-DVD. I feel sorry for all of the loyal xboxers that purchased the system early and missed out on that stuff. I bought my PS3 early and have to say I'm very happy.

Lordknight125
Lordknight125

calm down Jugetonn, sure the ps3 has titles coming up, but don't be fast in saying that the 360 has nothing else. Although the other titles may not be as good as what sony will release, at least they will be enough to satisfy 360 owners. So calm down, coz maybe after the ps3 will release their big guns, developers will stop supporting the system coz its complicated. let me name a few 360 titles coming Fable 2 naruto viva pinata:party animals(hey it sounds childish but its actually good) Scene It(i heard its fun) MASS EFFECT Kingdom under fire: circle of doom Splinter CEll: Conviction Alan Wake Mutant Storm Ninja Gaiden 2 Virtua Fighter 5 (better on the 360) Too Human These are just some of the games that will keep 360 owners satisfied and happy. Besides, multiplatform games are better on the 360 and the graphics does not go very far. 2008 will not be the ps3's year, maybe the wii's but in 2009 we will see if sony can climb back on top ahem fable 2 lost odyssey

Lordknight125
Lordknight125

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SkankinForFalco
SkankinForFalco

Agreed Dark. I've got quite a few negative thumbs for stating the same thing. This year is definatly not Sony's year and next year might not be.. But MS can't stay ontop forever.. you can only play so many TPS and FPS before it just gets old.. After this holiday season and the first quarter of 08 the next game ill buy for my 360 is Fable 2 and thats why i'm getting a PS3.. although not for MGS4 or Killzone but Little Big Planet

JUGETONN
JUGETONN

If you look at it what else does XBox360 has after Halo3 ... aaaa ... nothing ... will the PS3 has Uncharted, Killzone 2, Metal Gear, TimeCrissis, etc ... so what else dose microsoft have ..... aaaa ...

darkride66
darkride66

I love how pointing out the fact that the PS3 is selling exactly the same as the 360 since launch garners my post 7 thumbs down. It's hard to bash one console when it's selling the exact same amount as the one you're defending. Once again, Dean Takahashi simply has a book out on the 360 that he's trying to gain attention for. There are developers who think the PS3 is just fine, and label criticism of the cell processor as "uninformed". http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17547

wizard_levy
wizard_levy

I'm still waiting for that note on European Sales. You know, the one where PS3 sld more than every single console, except the GBA(Yes, even more than the DS) and outsold Xbox 2 to 1

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wizard_levy

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wars45
wars45

cant understand way eveyboadys a ps3 hater take gamespot review for rank a clank they give it 7.5 yet eveyone ells gives it a 9 or a ten if it been on 360 it would of got a 9 well am still buying it the game mag i got give it 93 in fact evey review gives it 9 or ten apart form gamespot way is that .hm lets see they dont like ps3 . but thats no way to run a site . be honste and give it a review on the game not becuase its a ps3 game .love ps3 .

dragonseer439
dragonseer439

I think the PS3 will have strong sales on the back of the price cut and heading into Christmas, with all the great games (exclusive and third party) coming out in November. With the Xbox360, it's big gun has fired already, with Halo 3 I mean. Most people into that would have the system and long finished it by now.

madvicker
madvicker

@Pie_FOREVER this kind of press is the best kind if you are going to get a PS3 because it means that the price is going to plummet even more in an attempt to get the console going so the more press like this then in some ways the better.

PS360owner
PS360owner

Just because a system is more labor-intensive, does not make it more advanced - just more difficult to program for. While Japan may be arguably more advanced than the rest of the world in terms of hardware design, engineering, and manufacturing, countries in Europe and the US seem to maintain the lead in terms of software design (especially operating systems) and systems networking. I think the reason the PS3 seems to be so difficult to program for is that it requires a lower-level language than the other platforms, whose manufacturers have provided better tools to program the system with.

UltraWoody
UltraWoody

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