Red Dead Redemption "Rejuvenated" the Western Genre, Take-Two Says

Plus, original game's developer is on a big hiring push.

Rockstar Games' 2010 open-world action game Red Dead Redemption "rejuvenated the Western entertainment genre," according to the developer's parent company, Take-Two Interactive. The company dropped the quote as part of a "shareholder outreach" document filed this week with the United States Securities & Exchange Commission.

Red Dead Redemption has shipped more than 13 million copies to date, and is one of ten Take-Two franchises that has sold-in more than 5 million copies during its lifetime. The game was adored by critics at release, and currently has a 95 rating on GameSpot sister site Metacritic.

Though there is no word yet on a potential sequel, Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick has previously described Red Dead Redemption as a "permanent" franchise like the James Bond movie series, suggesting 2010's installment won't be the last. Development on that title was led by Rockstar San Diego, which appears to be staffing up for a big project. The studio is currently looking to fill a total of 37 positions, 28 of which are labeled "featured." By comparison, lead Grand Theft Auto studio Rockstar North is only has 20 open positions currently.

As you might expect, the job listings at Rockstar San Diego are very general and do not include any specific details regarding what the project might be. In addition, RocFor more on the original Red Dead Redemption, check out GameSpot's review.

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and you can follow him on Twitter @EddieMakuch

For all of GameSpot's news coverage, check out our hub. Got a news tip or want to contact us directly? Email news@gamespot.com

Written By

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

Want the latest news about Red Dead Redemption?

Red Dead Redemption

Red Dead Redemption

Follow

Discussion

179 comments
charlieholmes
charlieholmes

Easily one of the top 10 games I've ever played in my 30 years of gaming. I need RDR2 and a remaster of RDR for next gen!

oldtobie
oldtobie

Loved Red Dead.  Need more.  Will buy anything they put out, even if it's a virtual card game.

dannyjdavidson
dannyjdavidson

Why all the love for Red Dead? I want a cowboy game that has more in common with Sid Meiers Pirates than GTA. And one where different areas react differently to you for different reasons (fear, respect, etc.) Red Dead Redemption was just "GTA Cowboy". Dull and repetitive. Except unlike many Rockstar Games, the main character was boring as hell. I really wanted to like this game but it left me as disappointed as when I played Gun. Except Gun didn't have this ridiculous hype over it.

Evamorgana
Evamorgana

Please give us RDR 2! RDR was amazing. Loved every part of it. If they made RDR2 I would pre-order it in a heartbeat.

GoblinLove
GoblinLove

Red Dead Redemption 2 or an HD version of the original one for the nex gen consoles

Garm31
Garm31

In RDR 2. I'd like to see a black player protagonist. A Django type and start out as a slave. Set it during or before the American Civil War. It might be a bit controversial. But, the industry keeps saying that games need to grow up.


Out maybe a women? Kinda like that movie "The Quick and Dead (1995).


Something bold and different.

mrdarkmacmar
mrdarkmacmar

(SPOILER) 

If they are going to do another one, they made a mistake by killing off the main character John Marston.


hermitkiller
hermitkiller

Please lord gaben, buhuu give us our beloved pc version blaablaa yada yada.....

We pc gamers deserve to be treated like royals blaablaa

Let's make a petition brothers and sisters xDDDD

No more bad console ports byaaahh ( cries and begs).

We master race deserve only the best.

Peasants, go play your 720p crappy graphics.

I'm so cool and better than you console wanks........ xDDD

advocacy
advocacy

I don't care what Anita Sarkeesian says, this game is great.  The gameplay, the music, the story, the writing, the graphics (at that time)... everything about it is really well done.

beerswagger
beerswagger

people that dont like this game have never played it

the_mailman
the_mailman

one of the best games of all time, easily


multiplayer sucked but who cares, that was a tack on, what matters is the primary game

RobDev
RobDev

RDR and Fallout 4 and i'll be a happy chappy

OrgeLambart
OrgeLambart

be nice to see this monster on the PC, not sure why they haven't released it on PC yet... I also don't think they ever will which is sad.... I'm guessing the multiplayer is the reason, gut that multiplayer and sell it on the PC gosh dang it.

DanielL5583
DanielL5583

......Did it?

The only games that comes to mind outside of this that even vaguely resembles a western that came out of the last few years are Fallout: New Vegas and the Call of Juarez games.

To say it's a rejuvenation is a stretch to say the least. It's like saying Pacific Rim rejuvenated the action blockbuster - that's not really the case.

PS2fweak
PS2fweak

Red Dead Redemption was almost a perfect game IMO. For what it was trying to achieve, if a few things were fixed/expanded on, it would be incredible. I expect greatness for the next one. The visuals from last gen are still impressive and I mainly game on PC. A current gen/PC sequel would probably bring me to tears.

DrKill09
DrKill09

Still disappointed it never got a pc release.  I REALLY don't like buying games for the PS3 unless they are first party.

oldtobie
oldtobie

Red Dead: Rejuvenation? 

rmiller365
rmiller365

This was one of those games that has you thinking about the ending a week after you beat it.. The game is great but there's also a soul to it that I can't explain. Like that feeling you get when you go through your old toys you had when you where a kid.

david50100
david50100

One of the greatest games ever. The only suggestion I have is to have more player customization and a little more to do in the towns. I would prefer more of a Fallout approach to the game engine less GTA. I don't like how other people would just pop in and out of the game. Walk to far away and they are gone.

oldtobie
oldtobie

I've been seeing a lot of news for RDR popping up lately with no obvious reason...  I feel like there very well may be an official announcement regarding a remaster or perhaps a sequel in the coming months.

keithy21
keithy21

cool, guess it's time to add more open world western games like red dead then. 

nurnberg
nurnberg

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the western genre pretty much non-existent before this game?

tomservo51
tomservo51

How about a open world game where you can make manholes blow up with a phone app?

jayjay444
jayjay444

One of the best games iv'e played and would love a sequel on next gen consoles. 

focuspuller
focuspuller

I would much rather have Red Dead Redemption on PC than GTA 5.

humanistpotato
humanistpotato

playing the game for the first time, i can understand why everyone loves this game, wish it had more people on multiplayer 

no sequel needed sequels sux 

but something like gta (seperate stories with same franchise) would be cool. I m notworrying they will milk these series since in rockstar i trust

Evamorgana
Evamorgana

@dannyjdavidson 

Read dead did have areas that reacted differently to you- If you played with a good moral code Marsden wouldn't be welcome in Thieves Landing. Going there was always dangerous for my Marsden; I could seldom leave without being set upon by gun toting drunks.


Whereas I believe if you built up Marsden's bad reputation I believe that the townies in Armadillo would all flee the street when you turned up.


Personally I really enjoyed the slow pace of the game. I never fast-travelled, I rode everywhere and worked through the missions at my leisure. It felt realistic to me having long stretches of time in peace.


I found Marsden interesting because he was so morally ambiguous.

oldtobie
oldtobie

@Evamorgana "Redemption" is the subtitle.  Red Dead Redemption 2 is like GTA V 2.

jeffgost
jeffgost

@Garm31 I think they should make like Bioware: You choose what you want you charater to be, at least from the background story... This is the best way to please a major portion of people without offending some other. And, differently than Bioware, let the game's quests more neutral regarding sexuality or things like that.... The great thing about ME was that the main character's quest was neutral (gender based) BUT, all that romantic stuff and sub-quests and nightclub stuff ruined the "gender neutrality"...

coop36
coop36

@Garm31 i think you got to play as a black slave in that AC4 DLC? But yeah different era and setting.

jeffgost
jeffgost

@mrdarkmacmar maybe the sequel could be with his son (Who you can control by the end of the game) Or another character (Red Dead Revolver wasn't with John Marston)

Delston
Delston

@mrdarkmacmar Somehow when I read "SPOILER"...my eyes just kept going.  Oops...


I never got to finish it before my disc somehow got a tiny little debilitating crack from being pressed into its case too hard...not to point any fingers (my wife did it haha)

Evamorgana
Evamorgana

@advocacy 

I've recently replayed it and still find the graphics pretty darn amazing. But imagine what we could manage now!

immortaltech6
immortaltech6

@advocacy  No self-thinking intelligent person worth their salt cares what she thinks, especially gamers, because she uses one-sided selective perspectives to push her feminist agenda. By even name dropping her, you're giving all of that attention. Attention she craves.

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@freedomzealot 

Not in the top 10? Seriously? RDR is one of the few games I consider a real masterpiece!

For the sake of the conversation what game would you consider to be in the top 10?

PS2fweak
PS2fweak

@DrKill09 I read somewhere that the code was a mess, which makes sense, because a PC release was a no brainer. There had to be some serious issues since it never got a release.

oldtobie
oldtobie

@nurnberg There were a few (RDR Senior) but yeah, there weren't many.

dannyjdavidson
dannyjdavidson

They didn't do nearly enough to make you feel like you're impacting on the world in any way. In GTA San Andreas you could build your strength up, get fat, be skinny, have sex appeal, be respected and that was on PS2. A whole generation later they've gone backwards and instead of implementing light RPG game-changing elements to open world Games, they've ignored customisability and multiple choice situations with consequences as much as they can just to focus on visuals.

I can forgive Saints Row because it's chosen unrealistic fun over immersion and that's a very valid, very popular way to go. But when you go for immersion, putting a cowboy in an open world should be very similar to putting a pirate in an open world (Sid Meiers Pirates). I'm not saying people had no reason to enjoy this game but you'd have to be a GTA or Cowboy enthusiast to have a good time with it because it didn't offer anything new for those wanting to experience something very different.

For the most part, it did well with what it attempted. I just feel they should've been attempting different things to be more than just "the GTA guys" Canis Canem Edit was a small but good step in distancing themselves from GTA and this could've been that until it became too obvious that Rockstar have not Evolved since PS2. And if they have then not in a good way. I just feel short changed that my favourite Developer from 10 years ago is (or at least seems to be) a one trick pony. A lot of hope went into the future of Rockstar back then and instead it was:

Naughty Dog

Sucker Punch

Guerilla Games

Ubisoft

Square Enix

Deep Silver

That delivered some of the most impressive games of last gen with Rockstar just sticking to "what they know" and taking the fun out of free roaming (like LA Noire for example. Huge let down and a ridiculous hype to go with it)

Evamorgana
Evamorgana

@oldtobie @Evamorgana 

Oh thanks. I seem to recall rumors that the sequel was going to be called Red Dead Rebellion so that makes sense.

david50100
david50100

@oldtobie @david50100 You're probably right. I also quickly overcame and gripes I had when "Far Away" started playing on the ride into Mexico. One of the most memorable moments in any game.

Evamorgana
Evamorgana

@dannyjdavidson 

Well I guess when I play a game I don't expect elements of other successful games before them to be present. Why should they? They're different games.


As for the absence of player impact on the world that felt pretty spot on to me. Realistically what impact could one man have on the West?


I haven't played Sid Meiyer's pirates but you've got me interested- I'll look it up.


I know what you mean about La Noire; I'm actually currently playing it (3/4 way though) and although I'm thoroughly enjoying it I often feel that all I do I speed through this amazingly detailed world with very little excuse (or opportunity) to get out and walk around for explorations sake (which is a shame).





dannyjdavidson
dannyjdavidson

It's not so much the impact the character has on the West, as the impact the player had on the character that I was disappointed about. There are two ways of going about a game when you're talking about immersion:

Telling the player a movie-like story with mindblowing sections, intense moments and unforgettable characters (Uncharted, Heavy Rain, The Last of Us, Catherine, The Wolf Among Us)

Or - Giving the player enough control of the character for the player to feel like this is their experience (Infamous, San Andreas, DC Universe Online, LittleBigPlanet, Minecraft)

Red Dead Redemption doesn't fall in any of these. Instead you get a lot of the control of the player, but not enough to really affect much and a bland character which takes away from the story and any immersion you might have. I had a similar problem with Jimmy in Canis Canem Edit, it was a great game and offered tonnes of new things to do in a genre not quite attempted before. But Jimmy's bland personality really did suck the fun out of stuffing nerds into lockers, kissing girls and beating up jocks and bullies. Though Gary saved that game story-wise. I was happy to skip any cutscene that didn't have him in and stayed for the other good characters like Angie, Pete and Johnny. Jimmy seemed to be the only boring character in that game. Unfortunately I can't say the same for Red Dead Redemption, none of the characters did anything for me like:

Tommy Vercetti, Lance Vance, Diaz, Sonny Forelli in Vice City

CJ, Ryder, Big Smoke and that crazy bitch girlfriend CJ had in San Andreas

Trevor, Michael, Michael's family in GTA V

Instead it was far more like GTA 3. Technically impressive but very little immersion and even less fun. Well for me at least. I have friends that love the game, but beyond "riding a horse" I can't really get it out of them what it was that they loved about the game. The free roaming was feature packed like a lot of their games but it wasn't something I felt enjoyable like in San Andreas or Canis Canem Edit. I think a new Canis Canem Edit is far more needed than Red Dead Redemption 2. Even Vice City Reimagined for next gen would be amazing or a blast from the past new game featuring all the previous protagonists from the older Games in one story.

Evamorgana
Evamorgana

@dannyjdavidson 

Fair enough. I'm one of those weird people that rate it as my- yes, my favourite game. I guess I filled in the gaps with my imagination. Maybe that's why I liked it so much. As for the characters, I really liked Bonnie McFarlane, Marsden, that crazy weedy guy oh and the fat scoundrel who tried to sell everyone is fake 'miracle cure for all'. My love for that game might be a little irrational- I just loved everything about it!

I've just started The Last of Us on ps4- now that is a stunning, amazing game!