Rayman Legends developer attacks "shi**y" industry for Wii U delay

News of a seven-month delay for Rayman Legends was "hell" for the development team.

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One of the Rayman Legends development team has criticised the decision of Ubisoft's "men in ties" for the recently announced seven-month delay, but says the time will allow for "more content to be added" to the final game.

This is not a decision taken by the development team," wrote the developer on Spanish forum EOL (translated by NeoGAF), who urged gamers not to attack Rayman Legends itself for the delay. "This comes from really, really high up, so please don't pick on the game."

"If you're pissed, imagine how we feel," added the dev. "Think on the situation, we've been making overtime with this game practically since May preparing E3, and then almost a demo per month (gamescom, Wii U presentation, shops, eShop, etc…) and at the same time trying to actually finish the game."

The poster, under the alias Zeta69, has notched up numerous posts over multiple years detailing trips to E3 and working on previous Ubisoft projects, such as Far Cry 2 and Rainbow Six: Vegas.

"We had a first delay because it was obvious we couldn't finish on time but we gave it all to be there on February. What face do you think we had when the week we had to close the game we're being told it's not going to be released? I couldn't believe it."

"For practical matters, you'll have to wait for some months for the game to be released and will most likely serve for more content to be added and do it better. For us, this means we've spent 6 months barely seeing our wives, kids, and friends for nothing because, after all, such a haste wasn't needed. Believe it, it was a hell to swallow these news."

"Even then I'm firm in what I said back in the day, Rayman Legends is an excellent game and will still be, and the team that's making it doesn't deserve to have your back turned on them just because some men in ties one day took a wrong choice."

"This industry is really that shi**y."

As for Ubisoft, a representative confirmed to Digital Spy yesterday that the only reason for the delay was to bring the game out simultaneously for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Wii U, meaning the game would have been ready to launch on the Wii U this month.

For more information on Rayman Legends, check out GameSpot's previous coverage.

Discussion

271 comments
SillySkeleton
SillySkeleton

Wow, good move, Ubisoft. Delay a finished game so its release can co-incide with the the most anticipated game of the year. GTA5 owns September. Every other game should be getting it's release pushed back or forward to avoid it.

deskp
deskp

Studios get closed and people lose their jobs constantly. Atleast the people making rayman will stay emplayed for longer.  Stop the complaining.

I understand wii U people are annoyed they have to wait.

craigprime
craigprime

Hmm...making the game multi-platform is dumb. Delaying the game for the other platforms is stupid. Keeping people from the rest of life to deliver the stupidity is just insane. Go Ubisoft....

digi-demon
digi-demon

Rayman - who would go out on a limb for that...

I mean, after all Rayman has none to speak of... I mean limbs that is.... not fans ;-)

bksonic123
bksonic123

I understand making the game multiplatform, so that people like me who do not own a Wii U can enjoy this soon-to-be masterpiece, but delaying the Wii U version when it is already completed? That's just not fair.

tightwad34
tightwad34

Games get delayed all the time. This guy sounds like he had no idea the industry can be brutal. It's a business and sometimes things don't go as planned. So yeah, go cry a river and you still won't get anywhere.

Lost-to-Apathy
Lost-to-Apathy

The only thing I see in Septermber is Grand Theft Auto V, Grand Theft Auto V... Grand Theft Auto V... More Grand Theft Auto V... Then some more Grand Theft Auto V. Oh, yeah, and Grand Theft Auto V. What's this Rayman you speak of? In September there's only Grand Theft Auto V. 

StarkJJ
StarkJJ

Ubisoft must have sold majority of their shares to EA.

faceless-mask
faceless-mask

So they WANT to give up 7 months of WiiU sales? They WANT the game to have to compete with GTA V? All I hope is that, IF the game's sales fall short of the mark, the developers aren't the ones who are blamed. 

keldarironfist
keldarironfist

This should have stayed a wii u exclusive like it was promoted to be. This is a slap in the face to the developers, nintendo, and the fans.

AlexFili
AlexFili

That's bad when a game enters crunch time and then a huge delay happens

jakesnakeel
jakesnakeel

Wait, the developers are months late on the game, missing a crucial release time for the publisher, then the dev is irate when the publisher delays their already late game until a better release time?  Give me a break.  Don't be pissed at the publisher.  You haven't seen your wives or family in months because your company over promised to the publisher, the people that pay your salary.  The dev screwed their client and the client is possibly trying to make the best of it.

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

"the only reason for the delay was to bring the game out simultaneously for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Wii U, meaning the game would have been ready to launch on the Wii U this month. "

Given that the 360 & PS3 have been around for over 6 years, Id say the delay was simply due to them wanting to release the 'WiiU' at the same time as the other two.

They should have simply released it for 360 & PS3, with the WiiU version coming when complete.

I really feel sorry for these developers sometimes.

AMG
AMG

Rayman is now going to be overshadowed by GTA V in September. They gave up the spotlight to fall into a very large shadow. That's bad business.

nintendoboy16
nintendoboy16

Unlike the Bayonetta 2 controversy, what backdraft Ubisoft is dealing with is FAR more legit.

cephas90
cephas90

I feel bad for the devs.

jmc88888
jmc88888

Show Ubisoft you care by buying a different game with your Rayman money.


I suggest Aliens: Colonial Marines, and no doubt Gearbox will be laughing all the way to the bank as their biggest sale competitor for the recent upcoming time period was Rayman. 


Now the spotlight is shining brightly on Gearbox's Aliens: Colonial Marines.


This doesn't mean don't buy Rayman when it comes out, just remember they decided to put it off 7 months, and so you can buy something else, and if in 7 months you still want to buy it over the 30 other games that release around then, by all means, buy it.  If it means you'll wait for it to go on sale because you know you have 5-10-15 other games to buy during that time period, well, Ubisoft decided to comparatively release the game as if it were a little art movie that debuted alongside a Will Smith, Avengers, Arnie Action, and Tarantino movie. 


Now they are looking for a new PR director...great.  Did he quit or was he fired.  If he was fired, it's like firing the car salesman because Ford screwed up and had to recall it's vehicles.

Or firing the Burger King cashiers because the meat procurement people got suckered into buying Horse meat. 

DarkReign2552
DarkReign2552

Didn't need an article to tell me the Publishers were the ones to blame. I don't blame the developers for what happened because ultimately they just want whats best for their game. Publishers, however, see nothing but money and they'll be the death of their own titles. Yet when the game fails to sell you know the publishers will just blame the developers for the game not doing well.


Personally I think it's time to be rid of publishers. Some developers like Valve and Bungie can easily manage publishing expenses on their own and many others seem to be finding the joys of Kickstarter. And in a world where pre-orders are widely accepted, pledging money toward a game is effectively the same thing. The need for publishers is eliminated and as long as they're going to treat the developers and gaming community like they do, I don't think they should be making any money off of us. (I've personally made it my goal to support the developers while denying the publishers any amount of money I can, generally by buying my games used and donating directly to the developers whenever possible.)

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

You chose to work for a company that crunches its employees.  Stop working for the big publishers.  Ubisoft is just as terrible as the rest of them.

the13stuff
the13stuff

This is just dumb Ubisoft! The game offers the most on the Wii U and shouldn't be kept in a locker for 7 more months to push it out with other systems. Afraid it won't sell? How about just releasing it, then porting it later! Your disdain for supporting your initial console choice, and lack of consumer/developer savy is thick on this one.

AK_the_Twilight
AK_the_Twilight

What's really sad is that Ubisoft management is trying to redeem themselves by giving the Wii U an exclusive demo. Yeah, because that totally isn't teasing the people you just screwed over. That's like offering a birthday cake to a kid, taking it away and saying they can lick the spoon instead.

Oh, and it's not Nintendo's fault. This was decided by the higher ups at Ubisoft. If the game doesn't sell well because it's competing with huge, AAA titles and next generation console launch lineups, it's Ubisoft's own damn fault.

The Wii U version should not have been delayed for this reason. The developers have just as much a right to be upset as the gamers. The only people who seem to prefer this decision are those who have nothing to do with the game's success: the management.

Keivz_basic
Keivz_basic

I really feel bad for these guys. I know the feeling of having to suffer endless days and sleepless nights (switching jobs isn't an option and I'd take a pay cut if that were at all possible). Oh, what a world.

ArabrockermanX
ArabrockermanX

It was delayed so they can port it to other platforms before the Wii U release... Nintendo probably should have coughed up some cash to Ubisoft. 

rpgking2005
rpgking2005

I'm perfectly fine with the other consoles getting this game ... not sure how it's going to work as the demo made pretty good / interesting use of the gamepad. What irritates me is having to wait another 7 months for a finished game so they can do a simultaneous launch. I don't really see how launching the Wii U version on time would affect the other console versions.

Serentor
Serentor

I feel sorry for the developers, i would be fricken pissed too. I am aswell since i cant see the reason why they dont release it and still release the game on the other systems after.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@SillySkeleton Yeah, that's a serious danger. Wish suits would remove the $$-signs from their eyes and see the bigger picture.

Sad thing is, if the game gets released in September and doesn't sell well, those same suits will likely blame "lack of interest" and shelve/bury the game and forget about it.

Total_mischief
Total_mischief

@tightwad34 Games don't get delayed when they're finished, they get delayed when they're not finished. Usually. With that in mind, read the article again and try to understand.

duron2
duron2

@tightwad34 Games that are COMPLETED don't get delayed. So they delay all the hard work of the Dev team to put more money into a rich mans pocket. You're a tool. How about you go cry a river for your lack of intelligence and knowledge.

Sfr528
Sfr528

@jakesnakeel  

So out of touch with the reality of the situation that it is baffling.

Akriel_Boulve
Akriel_Boulve

@thenephariouson You have it backwards, the title was a WiiU exclusive before.  Its already done on the WiiU, they are delaying it for the PS3 and 360.

faceless-mask
faceless-mask

@DarkReign2552 The only problem with something like this happening is that if the IP is owned by the publishers they are working for, then we may not see a game with that title ever again. Or worse, the publishers will bring in a new team who make a game that isn't even half as good as the original.

Sfr528
Sfr528

@DarkReign2552  

I would love to see publishers vanish.  However, I think you are gravely mistaken the ease that a developer could raise money.  Big game budgets rival that of big movie budgets; it doesn't seem feasible for a developer to be able to raise that kind of money without publishers.



emptycow
emptycow

@AK_the_Twilight you wiiu owners will buy this game  the reason for that is it will be the only game on wiiu worth buying

Sfr528
Sfr528

@AK_the_Twilight  

That demo redeem really seems like they are trying to pour salt into open wounds.  How could anyone at Ubisoft think that it was a great idea to put a 7 month delay on a game that was going to be released in 2 weeks.  

 This isn't a situation where the product was no where near a state to be released.  They decided last minute to port the game and give the big one finger salute to everyone eagerly awaiting the game.   This doesn't infuriate me as a Wii U owner but as a gamer.  I honestly do not want to buy anything from Ubisoft ever again on any console due to the defects wearing ties.

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

@Keivz_basic I bet the really really higher ups were playing golf most of the summer and took an extended vacation on Xmas time while everyone else slaved for 1/20-1/100th the pay. 

THizzle7XU
THizzle7XU

@Serentor Simple. You only have to spend money on one marketing campaign instead of one now and another in 6 months.

Plus, the Wii U will have a larger install base in 6 months.

jakesnakeel
jakesnakeel

@Sfr528 @jakesnakeel I only read the article and it sounded like typical developer whining to me.. I don't know any details of any situation.  But guy admits that his development team was super late on the project.  

NkoSekirei
NkoSekirei

@emptycow @AK_the_Twilight really dude let me give u a list of games that are worthy of buying on the wii u :bayonetta 2,lego city undercover,aliens colonial marines,monster hunter ultimate,monolith new game possibly xenoblade 2,legend of zelda wind waker in hd,new hd zelda in 2014,super smash bros,super mario galaxy 3,the wonderful 101 and many more to come

jmc88888
jmc88888

@emptycow @rpgking2005  

Untrue. A new console isn't on the same level as 360/PS3.  If you own a Wii U, there is no need to wait for a 360/PS3 version.


If you don't, you'll be waiting for it anyways.  It will be new to them.  Plus it's supposed to have more content for them.  

There is NO valid reason to do it.  NO business reason to do it.  In fact it's a negative business wise.

1- They already sunk the cost, and now are sitting and not receiving anything for the work

2- They pissed off their customers and employees...which from a customer level means less likely to buy and perhaps even a break from Ubisoft products and for the employees perhaps the good talent will look to jump ship as soon as they can.  

3- Now ALL versions of the game will launch in the midst of a cluster**** of games coming out.  I'm sure there might be something good on during the Superbowl, but I ain't watching anything else but the superbowl.  People only have so much time and money, and right now for the Wii U, the time and money was available by Wii U owners for this game.

In the fall they'll have the same other 3rd party games like your CoD and other FPS's, most likely a Yoshi game, a Zelda game, etc, etc.

Instead of being #1 or 2 game on the Spring 2013 list for Wii U gamers, it might be #5-8 in fall 2013 and of course AFTER pissing the community off.

I'm sure some idiot ivy league wrongly educated fools can baffle people with bs to explain how it makes sense, but it's bs.  It doesn't.  

There's lots of complicated ways at coming up with the wrong decision.  Usually the smartest guys in the room, are really the dumbest.

Ubisoft was sold a pack of lies in whoever made whatever presentation showcasing how they would make more money or it be more advantageous to hold back the game, but man were they wrong.  But hey that's what you get when you take the mind out of the decision making and put in faulty snake oil metric reasoning.  Or perhaps a rouge individual with the power at the top or near it.  Either way, whoever presented or dictatorially made the decision, was very much a fool that day...and perhaps will be again.


faceless-mask
faceless-mask

@jakesnakeel @Sfr528 The original delay was a delay of about 3 months because they couldn't finish the game on time. The reason for the new delay is as follows:

"There are no issues with the game development. All of the information was in the press release, the only reason for the delay is to release on multiple platforms," Ubisoft public relations specialist Sarah Irvin said.

However, Ubisoft has released games on one or multiple platforms ahead of others in the past, so an Xbox 360 and PS3 release would not necessarily mean a delay for the Wii U version.

In response, Irvin added: "We usually release all of our platforms simultaneously (aside from PC). We've made special exception sometimes in the past but it's definitely just on a case by case basis and not our standard practice. 

"In this case, Ubisoft recently decided they wanted to release the game on multiple platforms so the decision was made to launch them all at the same time rather than separately.

"I know it's not an elaborate, 'convincing' answer, but it's the simple truth."

for the original article, search rayman legends digital spy in google.

faceless-mask
faceless-mask

@jmc88888 Not to mention the fact that they are also losing 7 months worth of WiiU sales due to this delay.

Serentor
Serentor

@THizzle7XU also, theres so many games coming in 6 months time (appearantly) that i doubt i will be getting rayman over other games such as zelda wind waker hd (if it comes in 6 months that is, just noting the larger install base in 6 months)