Rayman Legends and Splinter Cell: Blacklist sales lower than anticipated

But most of Ubisoft's lowered financial forecast is attributed to Watch Dogs delay.

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Both Splinter Cell: Blacklist and Rayman Legends failed to reach their sales targets, publisher Ubisoft has stated.

Following yesterday's announcement that Watch Dogs would be delayed to 2014, Ubisoft said it has cut its income expectations for the rest of the current financial year.

"As we have said we have experienced lower sales than we anticipated when we gave our targets," said Ubisoft's Alain Martinez on a financial call to investors (via CVG).

Martinez attributed some of the sales to "already released games such as Splinter Cell, Rayman and others," but attributed the bulk of its lowered sales forecasts to the Watch Dogs delay.

Ubisoft launched Splinter Cell: Blacklist in August, with Rayman Legends following in September.

Discussion

130 comments
b4il
b4il

too bad, rayman deserves better sales... i thought platformers have some kind of revival.

haven't played blacklist yet, i want to play deus ex first. maybe i'll pick it up after a price drop.

Vodoo
Vodoo

Blacklist was a decent game, don't know why people are bashing it. If you play on a harder difficulty level it's way more challenging than previous games. It's also cool how every level can be played totally stealth or totally action. I've been a SC fan since the original on the OG Xbox and this is the best one after the original imo.

blueboxdoctor
blueboxdoctor

No big surprise with Splinter Cell due to people remembering the one before it, but to be fair this one does look pretty good.  And I feel like Rayman is more niche and would have sold better if new consoles weren't right around the corner.

telaros
telaros

I'm sure it had nothing to do with taking out the viking girl from Origins and the many many levels it was SUPPOSED to have from the original, hence why you released it for 29.99 originally. Now you released the rest in a "new" game and added some other story elements to make it feel like you made 2 completely different Rayman games, only you DIDN'T and now you're expecting 40 bucks for it. And that's digital version on Steam, it's SIXTY freaking dollars on consoles! WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!?

I happily ate up the first one and bought day one. Second one just feels like a slightly overpriced by 10-15 dollar dlc.

Diegoctba
Diegoctba

I understand why, it's very uncomfortable to control a character with no legs and arms, what were they thinking when created Rayman?

And Splinter Cell is lame, the only good parts are the FPS shooting, maybe next time they can inspire by the new Battlefield to create an awesome game.

hadlee73
hadlee73

Hmm. To be completely honest I'd forgotten Splinter Cell: Blacklist had even been released.

rIVAL_sWORD84
rIVAL_sWORD84

some guys i read are pointing at the 60$ selling price for rayman, hmm many will pay 60$ for an interactive movie like Beyond two souls which has little to no game play, Hell even the classic games with pictures and puzzles like Riven: The Sequel to Myst had better game play since in that game you solve puzzles but beyond two souls is just QTE with cut scenes. Rayman has good gameplay and not some QTE mixed with cuts scenes  

hugoadan
hugoadan

shame... i think both were great games.

roman4545
roman4545

does that mean some laid off will begin again ? even though not too long ago Ubi said they will hired more people by 20.... something ???

LINUX1997
LINUX1997

Ha, Im happy that blacklist failed!There you go ubisoft for not listening to fans.Splinter cell was my favourite franchise, until they made it for FPS fans.I like all the new features(mark and exec,killing in motion), but they left out way too many things that made splinter cell great.And then there is Ironside.There you go ubi!

josh7845
josh7845

Both good games, but the stealth and 2d platformer genres really only serve niches in the gaming community. You need to A) Stop blowing all your money on them and instead give them a reasonable budget and B) Lower your expectations. 

Breyant
Breyant

Rayman Origins was awesome but I'll admit I have little to no interest in Legends. Way too many games just came out and even more in the next several months. I'm sure I'll get it eventually but it's pretty low on my list.

immortality20
immortality20

No real surprise. So called "fans" won't even give Splinter Cell a chance. And Rayman Legends might be my GOTY. You can not play this game and not smile. It's an easy 9.5 for me. And Blacklist is an amazing stealth game that lets you choose the way you want to play, with a great story and memorable last boss fight. Easy 9 for me.Not a shocker when other great games like DMC won't sell because so called "fans" stick their noses up at it. Real great supporters. 

faizanhd
faizanhd

I really feel bad for Rayman. My favourite platformer series. Played every game of the series except for the rabbids spin offs. If you aren't into platformers , give both Legends and Origins a try. I guarantee you will fall in love. It's too bad Michel Ancel had the misfortune of working with these money hungry corporate idiots. 

Zemus
Zemus

I also think people are smarter when it comes to buying Ubisoft games these days.  Its not that they are not worth playing,  It's that Ubisoft as a publisher ALWAYS price cuts their games a couple months after release.  I already could have bought Splinter Cell for 24.99 when it was a weekend deal on steam and its not even 2 months old yet.  That means at the Winter Sale it will 20 bucks or less.  So why should we spend 60 when in 2-3 months we can spend 20?  Its like clockwork with EVERY GAME they release.  Sure I support them, but when games these days release so fast and often you have to budget and Ubi games make the choice easy

komuchen
komuchen

@b4il there are way, way to many of them now because of indies

komuchen
komuchen

@Vodoo it's not better than Chaos Theory, and it is little harder and that's only because of the dogs. When there are none to be found, it's the easiest one.

Setho10
Setho10

@Diegoctba I am really curious if you are trying to be sarcastic and just failing really miserably or if you are actually serious. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.

Setho10
Setho10

@roman4545 Well the Watch Dogs delay was to give it more time in development. So no one will be laid off for that. And the Tornoto and Montpellier teams both have a slew of games in development so I don't think they'll have too many people laid off. At the end of development a studio often drops QA staff and people like that whose jobs aren't required until the end of development but that occurs with every game. Ubisoft said they think that next year will be the best year in the company's history. They have enough cash on hand to hold them over until next year. If their next gen lineup fails that will be the time when they will start laying people off.

kamikazeespleen
kamikazeespleen

@LINUX1997 Left out way too many of the things that made it great? They went back to their earlier games for inspiration and in turn, made the best SC game since Chaos Theory. The reasons for not using Ironside have been stated time and time again and if you choose not to accept their decision, thats your problem and loss.

hochstreck
hochstreck

@josh7845 

Of course, let's only create big budget Ego-Shooters and Action-RPGs from now on.. 

As if we hadn't already enough of them..

komuchen
komuchen

@josh7845 Hitman Absolution sold "only" 4-5 mln copies, so yeah, it's niche

anybodykilla15
anybodykilla15

@josh7845 its because micheal ancel demanded it, he spread his cheeks and the big wigs at doobie soft said "sure man, what ever"

anybodykilla15
anybodykilla15

@immortality20 if you wanna know why some are weary at the prospect of a new splinter cell, its because they already fucked us over twice with 2 terrible games. its like they seen chaos theory and thought "lets just make it worse for the next 3 games"

komuchen
komuchen

@immortality20 well, for me Blacklist was too easy and all those "way to choose" sometimes are the only ones and other ways are nothing more than illusion. If you want to be flawless and play on highest difficulty setting, you will see there is only one way, which is pretty obvious.

But that's stealth games today I guess.

Xristophoros
Xristophoros

@Zemus Very true. But what you described is evident with most games these days. Max Payne dropped in price very quickly after launch as did Tomb Raider and countless other games. People are smarter now and willing to wait for price cuts than pay the full price. Unfortunately, this hurts the developers since the initial sales is what indicates whether the game is financially successful and if a sequel will be greenlit. I believe the business model needs to change to offer more value to the consumer. For example, for those that buy the game early at a full $60, publishers could offer a $20 coupon for another game down the line (i.e. if you bought Splinter Cell during the first month for $60, you get $20 off the price of Watch Dogs or Assassins Creed, etc.).  

komuchen
komuchen

@Zemus I saw that price in retail 3 days before release (yeah, broken street date).

With ubi it looks like this - give a game half a year, and you will buy Ultimate edition or something like that with all DLCs for half the price

Fandango_Letho
Fandango_Letho

@komuchen @Vodoo To me it is. Chaos Theory aged badly. It was very good 8 years ago, but nowadays, its showing a lot of wrinkles.

Daian
Daian

He's been trolling the comments for a few days now, ignore him.

LINUX1997
LINUX1997

Where is split jump, hacking, locpicking, variable speed(and many more things I forgot to mention) instead we get some fps sections(those where you play as briggs) and a complete ripoff from modern warfare(fps again) ac130 mission(briggs 2nd mission)why the hell do we need this kind of crap in splinter cell.And yeah Ironside could have easily voiced Fisher.that full perform capture is crap.Fans would definitely choose Ironside over more realistic cutscenes(which didnt turned out realistic anyway)

anybodykilla15
anybodykilla15

@komuchen @josh7845 that's because hitman appealed to the casual crowd, the gameplay had nothing in common to the older titles, other than having the same name

hystavito
hystavito

@anybodykilla15 @immortality20 That's stealth games today??  Stealth games should be just that, stealth focused, where not using stealth is extremely difficult and comes withy severe consequences, maybe even nearly impossible.

I feel like "stealth games" today are less stealthy than in the past because they usually include the option to go in guns blazing and it's not difficult to do so, except maybe on some games' highest difficulty setting.

Maybe am I just misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you are saying that a stealth game that really encourages stealth is a bad thing.

LINUX1997
LINUX1997

@Fastnova00007 @LINUX1997 People are against ubisoft who are not listening to fans!People are against these big changes to the formula that worked so great.Why was it necessary?(Oh, to atract fps audience, I forgot)They could have added mark,exec to the old formula, improve it or something like that.And coop can't really be named coop, just a 2 player missions instead, I don't see any cooperating there.I haven't played all coop missions, but I can guarantee that there even is no dual rappeling or something like that.Just some dual boosts and that's it.Shame

Fastnova00007
Fastnova00007

@LINUX1997 It is easily the best Splintercell since chaos theory.  I don't see what people have against it.  Easily the best coop game I've played in a LONG TIME.

josh7845
josh7845

@komuchen I don't know about that. In terms of the fact it saves me a trip to get an enema since the game scares the shit out of you, I'd say it's worth it. 

komuchen
komuchen

@josh7845 @anybodykilla15 @komuchen Well, if he never heard of it, I would say it's for good.

You can try Amnesia, but wait for steam sale. It's not worth those 15 bucks

josh7845
josh7845

@anybodykilla15 @josh7845 @komuchen You must play it then. Unless you were being facetious that is. If you weren't, then it's a survival horror, puzzler with stealth elements that's available on steam. Highly recommended. 

anybodykilla15
anybodykilla15

@josh7845 @komuchen @anybodykilla15 metal gear solid 4 was awesome in terms of stealth action, the fps mode was optional, hitman blood money is still one of the stealth kings, right next to chaos theory and mgs 3ds

josh7845
josh7845

@komuchen @anybodykilla15 @josh7845 It's happening with most stealth games. People up top believe stealth doesn't sell, and thus they fill all the most popular stealth games (MGS4, Splinter Cell, Hitman) with a shittonne of action to try and appeal to the mindless drones. 

komuchen
komuchen

@hystavito if you are replying to what I said, I see you misunderstood me.

Problem with stealth games is that when you go gun blazin', the gameplay is awkward or braindead simplistic in comparison to other games, that's another problem, but that's not what I was saying.

What I meant is that there is only one way with stealth, and not multiple ways, options. Remember Chaos Theory? There were few ways to end the mission without alerts. Same with Thief series. Same with Hitman (yeah, Absolution too, kinda... when AI doesn't screw up, then you have one way too). 

Stealth game should be about stealth, and for that, there should be few options, problem with Blacklist is, when you player on higer or highest difficulty setting, there is only one legit (and obvious, sadly) way to do it.