PS3 slim resurfaces, Sony hardware orders double?

Retailers appear to be making room for new iteration of publisher's console as Taiwanese site reports parts production goes into overdrive.

Sources: See below.

What we heard: Last week following a bleak earnings report, Sony CFO Nobuyuki Oneda told analysts that his company has reduced PlayStation 3 production costs by 70 percent since the console's November 2006 launch. Though Sony has never officially released a production price for the PS3, figures from hardware research firm iSuppli pointed to the per-unit manufacturing cost of the console now being just $252. That's well below the 80GB console's current $399 cost at retail and enough to make a $299 price point still profitable for Sony.

Though Sony CEO Sir Howard Stringer appeared to dismiss the notion of the console being profitable last month, Oneda's comments reignited speculation of a PS3 price cut. That, in turn, refocused attention to photos purporting to be a new, 120GB slimline version of the console which surfaced in May. Like the PS2 Slim introduced in 2004, a smaller form factor would let Sony save millions on manufacturing and shipping costs--and might be the reason for the huge savings Oneda described.

Though Sony continues to remain silent on the prospect of a price cut (see below), the past week has seen a series of reports that indicate something is afoot in the PS3 supply chain. Over the weekend, Amazon's German store posted--and then pulled--a listing for a "PS3 Konsole Slim." Next, the semi-reliable Taiwanese hardware news site Digitimes reported that Sony has "placed significant orders for key Sony PS3 components," doubling demand and leaving suppliers scrambling to churn them out.

There are also indications that retailers are taking steps to clear out existing PS3 stocks. Taming blog Hatimaki was passed a purported scan of a notice sent to Japanese stores by Sony asking them to remove all current 80GB displays on August 9--shortly before the rumored launch window of the new, cheaper console. Then, the US Amazon store has significantly discounted the 160GB PS3 Uncharted bundle, dropping its price from $499 to $449--just $50 more than the $399 80GB SKU.

The official story: "We don't discuss or comment on rumors or speculation."--Sony rep.

Bogus or not bogus?: Not bogus that there is a disturbance in the PS3 supply force. If it's not a cheaper PS3, then what is it?

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solidine
solidine

@jbrejot Why even comment, man? Really.

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

[quote="Mr_Bodywave"] "is simply the best you can get for money from both reliability and spec & game-wise right now for me and for some other people. " Fair enough. For others it is the 360, right? A lot of it has to come down to which exclusives you like, and which non-game features you like. If you like Blu-ray, then the PS3 has a nice plus. If you like netflix, the 360 does. etc. [/quote] So I guess, you don't understand these; 1. BluRay is used for GAMING as well, understood? DVD-DL is old! Games require more space these days so they on DVD-DL therefore need compression which means worse graphics on 360, except in some multiplatforms because of them being ports from 360 to PS3. Because of the game development for 360 being easier & cheaper. 2. "A lot of it has come down to which exclusives you like" > true, but what if you get sick of Halo and Gears? Those are pretty much the only 5. I do believe that the PS3 will definitely sell more once games are being developed better, with more CPU & GPU usage and not wanted limited by capacity because of DVD-DL that 360 has. Not mentioning there's a lot bigger lineup of exclusive games coming on PS3 this and next year. Specs are also bigger on PS3. I'm not going to reply back in this article

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

Given the pretty strong indications that the 360 Elite is moving to $299--I would expect the PS3 slim to be $299 or more. $299 most likely.

REX265
REX265

This is what I have been waiting for! Cant wait too play Killzone 2!

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

Supposedly teh new Jaspers that started coming out last fall (November or so) don't have the RROD problem nearly as bad (I read somewhere that it was only a few percent).

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

And I mentioned Japan. So you listed Japan and then Asia. Well guess what? Japan is part of Asia--a large part--and thus would skew the whole region. It would be like me saying 360 is way ahead in US and North America. Europe--they are at best even.

ItsEvolution
ItsEvolution

I'm truly surprised that there hasn't been a redesigned 360 (slim or not) with the RROD finally fixed by now. I'd maybe buy one if that happened. Until then, go PS3.

aryanbrar
aryanbrar

seriously guys chill. i like both 360 and ps3. ps3 has quality while 360 has more variety and better online. got a trade offer on my 360 for a ps3 did it. thanks to microsoft for reducing xbox360 elite prices and i am going to buy an 360 again.

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

you told me that ps3 was being outsold worldwide by xbox. i just said places were it is at par or better

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@TevoxZi-"Because they did that with the original Xbox when 360 got out." Do you not know the history of the xbox and xbox360? Because that is the only explanation as to why you would think the same would happen with the 360. The xbox wasn't dropped because the 360 came out. It was dropped because it was losing money--and could never make money or likely even break even. Because they didn't own the IP of the chips. They do on teh 360. It is a COMPLETELY different situation. "is simply the best you can get for money from both reliability and spec & game-wise right now for me and for some other people. " Fair enough. For others it is the 360, right? A lot of it has to come down to which exclusives you like, and which non-game features you like. If you like Blu-ray, then the PS3 has a nice plus. If you like netflix, the 360 does. etc. Do you think the PS3 will ever catch up to the 360 in installed base? If so worldwide, how about in US?

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

[quote="Mr_Bodywave"] Oh--and whoever said it--why in the world would you (or anyone) think they would stop making the 360 when the 720 comes out? That is silly. [/quote] Because they did that with the original Xbox when 360 got out. [quote="Mr_Bodywave"] so you are saying that if the PS3 only cost $200 and there wasn't a recession, that it would do better? I agree. But then if the xbox360 were $100 it would do better too. So what? [/quote] They'd both do better, but PS3 would do even better, because most people that want it, simply can't afford it yet. [quote="Mr_Bodywave"] @yoda4ps3--the PC is a console now? If you are going to be silly, don't even waste my time. [/quote] For some people, they don't count them as exclusives (I as an example), as I can simply buy it on PC instead of 360. [quote="Mr_Bodywave"] Im just not naive enough to think the PS3 is the holy grail of gaming [/quote] Others can have other beliefs & opinions as well. PS3 is simply the best you can get for money from both reliability and spec & game-wise right now for and for some other people. Not saying it's the same for everyone, however I do think Sony'll get past this dark time the PS3's been living in. Especially now in this Fall & Spring 2010 thanks to the upcoming variety of exclusives. Also, because BluRay is starting to become a bit essential in bigger games. However, I do hope that you won't think that I have something against 360, because I don't. I just prefer PS3 over it.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@brendanhunt1--huh? What about those? If you are trying to say that those are regions where the PS3 is ahead of the 360, then well, you are going to have to show some data. THe data I have seen shows PS3 in 3rd place in EU or at best tied with 360. and since Japan is part of Asia--not surprising it looks well there.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

Oh--and whoever said it--why in the world would you (or anyone) think they would stop making the 360 when the 720 comes out? That is silly.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@Rann89--so you are saying that if the PS3 only cost $200 and there wasn't a recession, that it would do better? I agree. But then if the xbox360 were $100 it would do better too. So what? That isn't what happened. Sony messed up and went from dominant 1st last gen to 3rd place this gen.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@brendanhunt1 So? If you contention is that the PS3 sold more in its first year than the 360 in its first year--maybe--but who cares? That isn't the comparison. They didn't launch at the same time. The 360 is outselling the PS3 and the gap is increasing. Lucky for PS3 that it has Japan otherwise it would look a lot worse.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@yoda4ps3--the PC is a console now? If you are going to be silly, don't even waste my time.

danmartin75
danmartin75

Thanks, I hope it's like down to $299. That would be great to see, and if they would make it play PS2 games again like when it first came out.

TWilliamz
TWilliamz

@danmartin75 No, everyone is just taking wild guesses and none have been right yet.

danmartin75
danmartin75

So does anyone know when and how soon the PS3 will drop in price?

rann89
rann89

Let's get one thing straight. PS3 didn't do so well only because of the economy and them trying to sell it so expensively. It has nothing to do with their games or system specs. Over-eager retards trying to sell it for 600 at launch destroyed what credibility it had, and the ensuing recession didn't make it any easier. Don't be ignorant.

SimonB1195
SimonB1195

the xbox couldnt handle killzone 2 graphics

boom_f15
boom_f15

@TevoxZi Who said I dont own a PS3? I have all three consoles and like them all for different reasons. Im just not naive enough to think the PS3 is the holy grail of gaming. I feel that Sony really botched this generation by aiming a bit too high and not penetrating the market as well as the competition. Whether you want to admit it or not, both MS and Nintendo have gained large market shares this generation at Sony's expense. My being honest enough to say that doesnt mean I think the 360 or Wii are superior platforms. The 360's hardware issues are ridiculous and the Wii is... the Wii. As for KZ2's graphics... You are right, they look amazing, probably the best in a side by side comparison to other games. I cant think of a 360 exclusive that matches them. My point was that when you compare it to Halo (which is not known as a graphical powerhouse anyway) your argument loses credibility.

victormgs777
victormgs777

ps3 reaching 9 million in america with xbox 360 at 18million. they are slowly catching up to 360. Gap is closing not increasing, takes time. Sony always come through its a 10-15 year machine.

yoda4ps3
yoda4ps3

@Mr_Bodywave Okay where to start. Well first off PC/360 games called exclusives aren't it's on another system, therefore not an exclusive simple as that. Multiplats are better on the 360 because it's easier to design them and more people are skilled in making 360 games. I'm not gonna argue that one because you're right 360 multiplats are better. BUT not because they are on a better system. PS3 has more AAA exclusives want a list? here PS3 360 MGS4 GeoW2 R2 Halo3 R:FOM Braid Comet Crash Forza 2 inFamous Geometry Wars Uncharted Halo Wars LBP ummmmm.... I can't find anymore Motorstorm R&C KZ2 VC

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

[quote="Mr_Bodywave"] @TevoxZi--actually it is TRUE. Xbox had sold about 6.5mil when PS3 was launched, meaning it had a 6.5mil lead. Now that lead is about 8mil or more. They have increased their lead. Simple fact [/quote] Keep in mind the first year for PS3 wasn't exactly the brightest, but I'm not going to believe you until I see some backup for your claim. I wouldn't care though, sells won't make the console. PS3 is simply better spec&gamewise, also in that side they're more 'user-friendly'. I know that if you though 360 is such a superior, which it isn't, you wouldn't be here in the first place. 2005 parts are on 360 are also buyable on the PC with better graphs & faster framerate and oh, I almost forgot; Free online for PC, PS3 and Wii gaming. P.P.S. If you're going to look for comparison videos in games, make sure they're in HD and not in HQ.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

What is funny is how most multiplat games have better graphics on the xbox. How iDs new game has 2-3x the performance on the 360 as the PS3. but he is confident he can wring some more performance out of the PS3 and have it catch up to the 360.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@brendanhunt1. Sorry--didn't know you were limiting it to this year. Why would you do that? Are the old exclusives no longer for sale? If your point is that the PS3 is having a better year for exclusives than the 360--maybe you are right. so? Not sure about total sales of exclusives. Halo Wars has sold more than InFamous I believe. meh. If you want to limit it to this year--fine--I am not interested in such a discussion as it has little point.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@TevoxZi--actually it is TRUE. Xbox had sold about 6.5mil when PS3 was launched, meaning it had a 6.5mil lead. Now that lead is about 8mil or more. They have increased their lead. Simple fact.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@aaronblast. Saw it--doesn't bother me that he is ignoring the facts. And excluding games that should count. I mean you can twist the facts around and he did. Excluding games that are on teh PC? lame.

dynomitemasta
dynomitemasta

I still am on the fence about those pics being real considering it's the ugliest redesign I have ever seen..... there was a time when all Sony product were very sexy to look at, this is an abomination, and if these are real, they need a new design teem.

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

"I count 19 9.0+ games for xbox360. Of which 6 are not on the PS3" ps3 does have exclusives as well

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

i was talking about this year. in fact theres still more on ps3 in 12 months

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

I'm not having the best day so I'll keep this short. @boom_f15 1- It's like comparing parts in 2005 and 2006 and saying technology hasn't grown an inch, even though the parts cost more than on 360 and the core speed especially has been proven being better than on 360. 2- I kind of agree about the selling part, however keep in mind if they repeat the same that when PS4 comes out the PS3 will still be there, while when 720 comes out 360 won't, it'll eventually give PS3 more sales, though it's already selling more yearly. At least in most places I've looked and compared to the ammount that want PS3 rather than a 360. 3- Everything has cons and prons. I mean, TV remote is awesome, but batteries? That's definitely a con when they run out. (Yeah, what a "#%&itty example.) 4-[quote="boom_f15"] I just hate it when people make stupid and invalid points to "prove" something that isnt necessarily true (reference comparing a new game to a game that has been out for almost 2 years). [/quote] Tell me an exclusive on 360 that matches the graphs then, by the way I hate those people that come to the other console's news-pages while they don't even have the console. If you don't want to hear references, you could just as well as not post. @Mr_Bodywave He meant; This year, not overall. Second of all; about '360's sales getting increased; that's bs, you know that, but fine, whatever makes you sleep throught your nights. - - You can go ahead and minus this, some agree, some don't, life goes on.

aaronobst
aaronobst

@ Mr_Bodywave I'm guessing you didn't check out the link i provided...

ejay_kain
ejay_kain

why do so many people keep whining about price cuts? i mean in the years the ps3 is available you still have not managed to save 400 bucks? Get a job or something!

Tommy4552
Tommy4552

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Tommy4552
Tommy4552

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onthe_dl
onthe_dl

sony just can't keep any secrets tight

boom_f15
boom_f15

@TevoxZi You keep comparing apples and oranges... The PS3 vs 360 specs dont tell the whole story unless they are both using the same architecture, which they dont. Its like comparing an Intel and AMD CPU based solely on core speed; AMD gets better performance out of "slower" chips. Im not saying 360 is better than the PS3 but they are roughly equal. You are right though, eventually developers may be able to squeeze more out of the PS3 (but by that time the PS4 and 720 will probably be on the way). Your sales figures still dont mean anything unless you compare both systems at the same point in their life cycle. If you argument about the PS3 being superior hinges on sales, then go and look up how many 360s had sold as of Jan 08 and compare that to PS3 Jan 09 numbers. Maybe the PS3 is selling better, but your current numbers are meaningless. Again, Im not saying the PS3 sucks. I like the system and think its just as good as the 360, but both have their plus and minuses. I just hate it when people make stupid and invalid points to "prove" something that isnt necessarily true (reference comparing a new game to a game that has been out for almost 2 years).

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@TevoxZi 360 was about 6-7mil ahead when PS3 launched. Now it is 8mil ahead. In 2 years it has INCREASED its lead.

Mr_Bodywave
Mr_Bodywave

@brendanhunt1 huh? I count 19 9.0+ games for xbox360. Of which 6 are not on the PS3. and another might as well have been given that it was xbox360 at least a year before PS3.

brendanhunt1
brendanhunt1

"We don't discuss or comment on rumors or speculation." thats a lie

aaronobst
aaronobst

@ Nosnitsttam Yes and when that one breaks, you will have officially paid more than what you would have for a 60BG PS3... Also if the issue of 4-8 minute installs is a big deal to you than you're nitpicking... with great melancholiness

Nosnitsttam
Nosnitsttam

trogeton- when you pay more, you get more bang for your buck?? sony slipped something in your kool-aid, man. Yes, the PS3 is a great machine that's capable of many many things. buuuuut it's still freaking expensive. if i wanted a bunch of similair options for the same price, i'd just build a PC. Me, I really just want to play games, and since most games are on multiple platforms these days, people tend to go for the $199 price point over the $399 one (or the $399 over the $599 one back in '06) . I paid less for my 360 at launch and it lasted 3 1/2 years before anything happened. I just replaced my original pro with an arcade and only paid $100 after trading in the busted one, still paying LESS than i would have if i bought an original $600 60gb PS3. plus, i don't need to worry about manditory installs to the hard disk to play my games, or frequent firmware updates to play my movies and games. cheaper doesn't always mean worse quality (haven't had a single issue with my Wii), and a larger price tag doesn't always indicate great value. sometimes, a company just likes to screw it's fanbase. and sony will keep doing that until it issues a price drop. on a different note, if the ps3 slim is real and anything like the ps2 slim, i'll take back anything bad i've said about sony since my ps2 slim has been great to me all these years.

TevoxZi
TevoxZi

[quote="boom_f15"]As far as specs go Id say (and the Intel team who built both consoles agrees) that the two are on par with each other.[/quote] The IBM supercomputer was made up of PS3's CPU, the GPU is 550MHz with 256 MB GDDR3 700MHz RAM accessable to the RAM that goes to CPU with the clockfrequency of 3.2GHz. Specs are higher on PS3, but they can't yet be advantaged much. How much can it take for someone to understand that? [quote="boom_f15"] but you are assuming incorrectly that the sales are constant over time. [/quote] Perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that a console with more price has sold more in less time than 360. Not mentioning here it still sells more and I've heard in a lot of places. [quote="boom_f15"] Granted the holidays are always the biggest part of the year for systems, [/quote] I wonder why wasn't there any about Xbox then, rofl. Besides consoles sell often when exclusives come up (Fall, in this case and next year's Spring where alot of exclusives come up for PS3, while only like 2 are coming on 360 those are not on PC.) If you'd truly think that 360 is a superior or a par, which it isn't as it doesn't even have Killzone 2 graph'd games but instead some outdated graphcrap like Halo 3, you wouldn't be here, which only points out that you have doubts about when you bought a 360.