PlayStation 4 has 'very large' hard drive

Sony teases size of hard drive for next-gen platform; new "play-as-you-download" feature aims to alleviate frustrations over loading screens.

Today during a PlayStation 4 panel at the Game Developers Conference, Sony teased that the next-generation platform will have a "very large" hard drive. Senior staff engineer at Sony's strategy team Chris Norden offered the tease, but would not give a specific figure.

"There's also going to be a very large hard drive in every console," Norden said.

Also during Norden's hour-long PS4 discussion, he explained that the system is designed around features and specifications that core gamers expect from a next-generation platform. At the same time, however, he made clear the PS4 should also be fun and accessible for the entire family.

Norden also spoke of a "new paradigm" in gaming when everything and everyone is connected. He explained that in the PS4 generation, even the traditional single-player experience becomes a connected experience through in-game services and features.

One example Norden provided was a feature that allows players to see in-game choices their friends made in real-time. This was shown in the context of Heavy Rain, allowing the player--when confronted with a choice--to see how their friends reacted to the situation.

Another point Norden pressed in his talk was the overhaul of the PlayStation 3 download process for the PS4. He opened up on the platform's new "play-as-you-download" feature that allows gamers to start playing a game almost immediately after they make a purchase.

This is made possible by games being split into "chunks," the first of which is small enough to download "pretty much immediately" so players can get started right away. Sony will encourage developers to create a bare minimum amount of data for this first chunk, which could be an introduction movie or a character creation menu, among other things.

This is all an effort to minimize time spent looking at loading screens, which was a pain point on PS3, Norden said.

"What we want to do is be able to have people play the game immediately. We don't want to have people sit there and wait like you did on the PS3," Norden said. "Let's say you initiate a download and then you go off and make a sandwich or go out to dinner and then come back and hope it's finished downloading. And then you have to wait for another install. We don't want that anymore. That's just not a good user experience."

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Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

One thing I am looking for with the new console as a minimum at the moment are at least a 500GB hard drive for the prices we have seen and digital games on their store that are the same price at release as their physical counterparts. If they do that right now I think I'll be getting a PS4.

I doubt I'll buy both because for us in the UK with the stupid price of the Xbox One is hideously close to £800 which is $1200 or so. I don't think I have the will to do that. I like games but that is stupid.

carllfc
carllfc

Well if they're expecting us to download games from their stores I hope they're planning on lowering costs of games from the ridiculous prices such as £50/60. When retail, the games are £40 at most.

junglist101
junglist101

Of course there is going to be a large hard drive because they are hoping to complete their transition away from disc based games...

DeltaCobra
DeltaCobra

Must have SSD. Helps the games run smooth as butter..even as the tech gets older you can do more..

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

Personally I'd rather they stick with the small but upgradeable hard drives, so that I can decide on the size myself, without having to wonder just how much extra I'm wasting on the one in the PS4... This is assuming they mean large hard drive as being 100gb rather than something that wont fill within a month.

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

I wonder how many GB 'very large' is?

okassar
okassar

It's a shame there's no SSD. My laptop is a SSD/traditional HD hybrid. The SSD is only 30 GB or so, but it's used for things like loading my operating system. It gives a tremendous speed boost, and at that size the benefits would far outweigh the small additional cost. Next-gen system with no hybrid SSD/hard drive setup? Why?

EggEmperor
EggEmperor

Has anyone noticed how badly placed the PS button is on the PS4 controller?

SavageEvil
SavageEvil

I hope it's just one SKU with a stock 500GB HDD. It's cheap enough to release with a drive that size and not add to the retail price by much. Sony wants this thing affordable as possible so a large SSD is out of the question, heck 250GB SSD is over $200, no dice. PS4 has me stoked, from the easy share button to being able to just download things while still playing is awesome and stand by charging is also a great idea. Sony really have gotten some smart people to give input on this machine, it looks like a win-win situation, now let's just see the pricing and hopefully one solitary sku or a cheaper sku with a tiny HDD to keep costs lower. I'd grab that because I already have a 500GB SATA HDD geared up and ready to go. I hated that missing wireless crap with the PS3 sku stuff, that was lame. Cheaper sku should lose the headset and have a smaller drive, that should drive down the cost considerably and not gimp the system itself.

Hvac0120
Hvac0120

I like the concept of the PS4 automatically downloading games it thinks I might want, but I wouldn't use the feature. I'd turn it off if its an option.

As for being able to play a game as it downloads... It's seems like it would be easier on developers if Sony just used Gaikai to stream the game that is downloading. Then when the game has finished installing the player can switch over and their progress will be continued from a save in the cloud. The player could choose to continue to use the streaming version until they get to a save point or until they are done playing.

It just seems like a lot to ask developers to make sure they have a chunk of playable code that can be quickly downloaded. It's possible we'll see lazy implementations if this is forced on developers. Maybe the developer can make the choice when they deploy to PSN of whether they want to use a chunk of gameplay code or if they prefer players get to play the full game via Gaikai.

As for hard drive size... "very large" is subjective to a person's idea of what constitutes a "very large hard drive." To me, a "very large" hard drive would be 2-3TB. "large" would be 1TB. "Good size" would be 500GB... and so on.

blackace
blackace

"Norden also spoke of a "new paradigm" in gaming when everything and everyone is connected. He explained that in the PS4 generation, even the traditional single-player experience becomes a connected experience through in-game services and features. "

I wonder if this is the "Always Online" feature everyone has been screaming about. 

I wonder how large this HDD will be and how much more Sony's PS4 will cost because of it? Can we expect another $500 - $600 system Sony?


warhawk-geeby
warhawk-geeby

"PlayStation 4 has 'very large'..."   "Sony teases size of..."

Woooaahhhh.. It's like Fifty Shades of Grey on here.. keep it clean Sony geez!

OldSchoolPlaya
OldSchoolPlaya

Have to admit; I've always been kind of an xbox fanboy. But it looks like Sony is doing a really great job with the PS4. Still like the 360 conmtrolletr better, though.


Tikimotel
Tikimotel

Hmm.. "Very large" is in the eye of the beholder. 

Some might think : "OMG!! the PS4 gonna have a PETAbyte harddrive with infinite bandwidth and zero seektimes."

And others might marvel at: "OMG!! 250GB of storage out of the box!!!"

Jennaralize
Jennaralize

The quote has clearly been taken out of context! By "There's also going to be a very large hard drive in every console," Chris Norden was suggesting to the potential sluts in the audience that he was going to fill all their holes... surely!?? I think this is most likely false advertising though! There will have been some very disappointed individuals in his hotel room that night!

dkeppens
dkeppens

He explained that "the system is designed around features and specifications that core gamers expect from a next-generation platform. 

He explained that in the PS4 generation, "even the traditional single-player experience becomes a connected experience through in-game services and features"

No Norden, my guess is the better part of the core gamers DOES NOT want this shit in their single player experience. Be consistent.

Valen_Ca
Valen_Ca

Got to be wondering if they will be using standard 3.5" HDDs for this, will definitely do funny things with power consumption, heat production and system size but it will get them much better HDD capacity at a cheaper price. In saying that though 2.5" HDDs come in, what, 1TB sizes now?

vicke32
vicke32

Great, internet bills will be through the roof.
Also, hard drives are dirt-cheap anyway, anyone can afford 1TB drives anyway.

HADES2001
HADES2001

Yeah I bet sony will come with some cheap model with low memory again like this new 12GB PS3 model.

Nice try sony you have lied to many times in the past to make this believeable

dustbreakangel
dustbreakangel

"One example Norden provided was a feature that allows players to see in-game choices their friends made in real-time. This was shown in the context of Heavy Rain, allowing the player--when confronted with a choice--to see how their friends reacted to the situation."

Like... the walking dead?

Expression-D-E
Expression-D-E

All I hear is "DRM, DRM DRM DRM..." .. ohh and guess what, D-R-M! "so you can 'share' (lol?) you'r gaming experience". ok now after that's been said, can I have 500gb ssd plz? for recycling purposes ofc..

leeko_link
leeko_link

Thanks for the large hard drive, too bad we won't be able to transfer all of our PSN stuffs to it though. C'mon Sony, what good is a large hard drive when you can't transfer anything PSN to it?

SiLenTWarrior29
SiLenTWarrior29

"PlayStation 4 has 'very large' hard drive" ...that's what she said hah!

UnstoppableKARL
UnstoppableKARL

Well, if it has 4K capabilities, downloading say "The Dark Knight Rises" even in compressed 4K form will probably take up 100GB.  By itself.

Hvac0120
Hvac0120

@okassar SSDs are too expensive. The Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drives are a significant performance boost compared to normal HDDs and the 500GB is down to $100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148704), but that's still pretty expensive for a component of an expensive-to-manufacturer next-gen console.

I will be happy if Sony just makes accessing and upgrading the Hard Drive as easy as it is on PS3. I have upgraded my hard drive twice on my PS3 and it's been one of my favorite hardware design decisions on the PS3.

Allowing gamers to upgrade provides us with the choice to give ourselves that little bit of a boost if we spend the $$ and have the knowledge (or can follow simple directions). Plus a "very large" hard drive now might not be big enough 3-5 years from now. So having the ability to make more room would be great.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

@EggEmperor I'm not sure about the whole controller, I'll wait 'till I can test one out, but I'm not holding my breath.

Saketume
Saketume

@Tikimotel 2TB is pretty standard for me. 3TB is "large" but certainly not "very large".

They're asian men though?! What they consider "very large" probably won't impress me.

I would like to meet the person impressed by 250GB though.

Fine_TableLamp
Fine_TableLamp

@dkeppens I agree. For me I personally don't care how someone else (even a friend) is playing. For games with choices and different outcomes that would take all replay value for me. I like plyaing one way and then going back and making all the opposite choices to discover the outcomes on my own. Being able to see all the outcomes at once would ruin the whole point and the adventure of the game.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

@dkeppens Personally it pisses me off that on the ps3 I have to see everyone log in and out if I want to know when I've gotten a message, throw in seeing everyones decisions and other bull shit is just gonna bug the hell outta me.

DrKill09
DrKill09

@Valen_Ca  The PS3 can fit some of the newer 1TB drives.  The problem was they were too thick before.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

@vicke32 Dunno about everyone else, but I've found that haggling with the broadband companies can get you unlimited for less than they advertise most of their capped plans.

WoZe
WoZe

@vicke32 A 1TB drive goes for about $90 without tax. Not exactly dirt cheap.

wizaard88
wizaard88

@Expression-D-E Why exactly you want a SSD drive? To make the console price double? For the price of 500GB SSD you can have two to four 2TB HDD drives inside... And their speed is still higher that the optical drive's.

If there is in the cheapest version 500GB HDD and higher, it's OK for me.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

@Hvac0120 The OS for a console is usually on a flash chip or something other than the hard drive... Anything else that requires lots of writes makes them sloooooow down and then break... Very unreliable (acording to someone who works with them, a lot.)

But also £1000 for a small hard drive, isn't worth the speed boost to me.

d3nR
d3nR

@Saketume @Tikimotel anyone over 55 would be impressed. Frankly I don't care what HD size they have as long as I can upgrade it.

deathblow3
deathblow3

@WoZe @vicke32 it is when 250 hard drives used to cost that much. and the fact that console makers charge more than that any way.

leeko_link
leeko_link

@woodyfr

But I'm not talking about PS3 backwards compatibility, I'm talking about just the PSN and games that came out on PSN. Digital stuffs.

SiLenTWarrior29
SiLenTWarrior29

@devild0ogwhite @SiLenTWarrior29 meh... some like it hot.... some like it cold.

Blood_Angel
Blood_Angel

@Expression-D-E As @Nickolaz666 said, they have stated that you don't have to be online or have a internet connection to use the PS4 to play games on, so all of these features they talk about is console bound and not implemented in the games, so I believe they can be turned off. Although what the developers/publishers do with it in their games is a different matter.

Phantom5800
Phantom5800

@leeko_link @woodyfr which are on? The ps3 ... they are ps3 games (except for the ps1 games). They were all made for the ps3, there is no magical "digital" platform that developers make games for.