PlayStation 3 Hands-On: Hardware, Media, and Online

We get hands-on with the Sony PlayStation 3. Find out what $600 worth of hardware can and can't do.

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By: James Yu and Sarju Shah

Hardware

Our retail PlayStation 3 system arrived last week, one week after we received the first debug system we used in our live PS3 marathon. The debug system played games fine, but we had to wait for the retail unit to arrive before starting our official evaluation because the test system didn't have the full functionality of a retail system, specifically the Internet features. To be fair, the debug system totally made up for that weakness by being able to play prerelease game code.


The retail box is pretty much what you'd expect from a console box--sturdy cardboard construction and a plastic handle for convenient transportation. The front of our 60GB PlayStation 3 box shows the chrome-trimmed 60GB system with the HD size printed in the lower left corner and a big Blu-ray Disc logo right beneath the console picture. We also found a sticker announcing that the package includes a Talladega Nights Blu-ray movie disc. That's right, kids. Will Ferrell's face will be right there on every single retail box for the most desirable, hard-to-find gift this holiday season. The back of our region A/1 box has a basic features list in English, French, and Spanish, along with six individual screenshots for Lair, Heavenly Sword, Resistance: Fall of Man, Warhawk, Genji: Days of the Blade, and MotorStorm.

The package includes the PlayStation 3 system, one wireless Sixaxis controller, a USB cable for charging the controller, an AC power cord, an Ethernet cable, an RCA A/V cable, a bundle of documentation, and the aforementioned Talladega Nights Blu-ray movie. We're a little upset that Sony isn't bundling any kind of HD video cable with the console. After all that 1080p talk, you would think that the package should include an HDMI or at least a set of component cables. One omission we're not upset about is the lack of an obnoxious power brick. The PS3's power supply is built into the system. Hook up a standard AC power cord, and you're ready to go.


Sony knows how to put together a consumer electronics device. The PlayStation 3 is a great-looking system that is loaded with plenty of style and sophistication. The pictures already show how beautiful the system looks, but actually handling the system reveals a lot about the machine. The system has a heft to it that feels almost reassuring. You can literally feel the weight and stiffness of the metal casing through the glossy plastic exterior while holding the console. Sony added some nice design touches to make the PS3 feel like a next-generation system. The power and eject buttons are touch sensitive. The machine powers up if you just slide your finger over the power symbol. The Blu-ray drive is a slot-loader, which means that you insert and eject discs directly from the slot instead of using a disc tray. The system is extremely quiet in comparison to the Xbox 360. It does emit some fan noise, but it's very faint because the system only uses a single, large-diameter, slow-RPM fan. Disc access noise is also minimal, especially compared to the Xbox 360's disc reader.

The front of the system features the Compact Flash, SD/miniSD, and Memory Stick memory ports, as well as four USB ports. If you don't see any flash memory slots on your system, you probably have a 20GB model. The 60GB version is the only model that comes with flash memory readers, built-in Wi-Fi, and a fetching chrome trim. Both system models have identical ports on the back: HDMI out, Ethernet, SPDIF digital-optical out, and the Sony proprietary A/V out.

We were able to play games and play Blu-ray movies at 1080p and 1080i over HDMI. Component cables allowed us to play games at 1080p, but dropped the resolution down to 1080i while playing Blu-ray movies. We also popped in a regular DVD movie to see if the PS3 could upscale the picture to HD resolution, but could only get movies to play at the standard 480p resolution. We haven't had a chance to test out the PS3 on older HDTVs that only support 1080i, but other web sites have reported that the PS3 will downgrade games to 480p on older HDTV displays that support 1080i, but not 720p.

Hardware cont.

We didn't quite believe it when Sony representatives first told us that PS3 owners will be able to upgrade their hard drives with any notebook SATA drive, but we found instructions on how to upgrade the system hard drive right there in the console owner's guide.


Open the HDD hatch on the side of the system, remove the blue screw, slide out the hard drive tray, replace the hard drive, and slide the whole unit back into the console. We got the drive tray out of the PS3 without a problem, but the screws holding the hard disk drive in the tray were screwed in incredibly tight. We managed to remove one of the four screws, but ended up stripping the heads off two others. We broke out the Dremel and attached the cutting tool with grand plans to carve out new flat-head notches in the screw heads. Before we could start, the game editors asked us to wait until all the PlayStation 3 game reviews were finished before proceeding with the hard drive upgrade. Operation 80GB PS3 has been postponed to next week.


Sixaxis

The final piece of new PlayStation 3 hardware is the new Sixaxis wireless controller. It looks a lot like the Dual Shock controller, but it has a new motion sensing feature that lets you tilt the controller to perform in-game actions. Some functions are pretty intuitive. If you catch fire in Resistance: Fall of Man, you can put out the fire by giving the controller a quick jerk like putting out a match with two hands. You can use the Sixaxis tilt to perform tricks and keep your balance in Tony Hawk's Project 8 which is pretty neat, but greatly diminished by the fact that you can still control your player better with the D pad. We can see the promise that Sixaxis control offers, but it looks like we'll have to endure a few novel-yet-worthless implementations before games get consistent with providing useful Sixaxis controls.


The Sixaxis has a new PS button right in the center of the controller that you can use to turn on the PS3. Holding down the PS button while the PS3 is powered on will tell you how much life is left in the controller battery and it'll give you the option to turn off the system or turn off the controller. The Sixaxis L2 and R2 "trigger" buttons are now more trigger-like because they're hinged at the top. If you prefer to press down on the top edge of the L2 and R2 buttons to get them to register, you'll have to learn a new motion.

The last major controller change is the loss of rumble force feedback. A controller without rumble might lessen the gaming experience for some after playing an entire generation of games with rumble enabled. A few GameSpot editors don't miss the rumble at all, while others believe that the lack of rumble could tip a buying decision over to the Xbox 360 if a game is available on both platforms.

The wireless controller has more than enough range. We found that we could control a system from over 50 feet away. We didn't get a chance to test battery life because we shuffled around controllers and machines several times between game reviewers and video producers who were broadcasting live PlayStation 3 coverage for On the Spot.

Media

The PlayStation 3 music player has basic features, such as play, shuffle, and repeat. If you insert an audio CD, the system will let you rip the album to the PS3 hard disk. It can even identify the artist and track titles if the system is connected to the Internet. Sony also included several 3D visualizers to accompany your tunes. You can flip between the various visuals with the press of a button. The graphics shifted randomly, but it seemed as though the PS3 had a preference for the wavy-line theme that's used as the background for the XMB menu system.


Sony claims that the PS3 can play MP3 (MPEG-1/2 Audio Layer 3), MP4 (MPEG-4 AAC), WAV, and ATRAC audio files. Our MP3, WAV and AAC files played perfectly, but we had some trouble getting the PlayStation 3 to recognize files with the MP4 file extension. The console could identify the files as MPEG-4 AAC audio files but labeled them as "corrupted data" when we tried playing them. Those same files worked fine when we tested them on our desktop computers. Ultimately, we discovered that the system is only happy playing AAC files in the M4A file format.

Our PlayStation 3 recognized MP4 and MPG files encoded in MPEG-4, H.264, MPEG-1, and MPEG-2. When we tossed in the Xvid and Divx codecs, both worked like a charm. The supported codecs did not work at all when we used AVI, MOV, and ASF file formats. Not surprisingly, WMV didn't work either.

The video section of the cross media bar is impressive because the PS3 displays all the files as a line of video thumbnails that loop through a few seconds of each video. When playing a video, you have the option of choosing among three different viewing modes. You can make the video full screen, zoom in, or stick to the original viewing resolution.

The PS3 works fantastically as a photo viewer and supports a good number of file formats, including JPG, PNG, TIFF, BMP, and GIF. All of the images that we tested displayed properly, and the built-in controls allowed us to zoom in on and even rotate pictures. The PS3 has a 3D slideshow that incorporates your photos in a video timeline. The PS3 uses the RSX processor to draw the images as physical photographs, falling into place to add some style to a slideshow that you might play in the background of a party. You definitely won't find this feature anywhere else.


Navigation

The PS3 likes its files to be in specific folders. If your media files are in the wrong directory, they won't be among the most favored files that get displayed when you select the music, video, or photos section on the cross media bar. The PS3 can find images without a problem when you plug in a digital camera, but it can't seem to find media files that are stored in the root directory on a flash memory card. You can still manually browse through your USB storage device or memory card to load up the files you want, but the process isn't as convenient as having the system immediately recognize and display all the stored media files.

File organization will also become an issue sooner or later. With 20GB or 60GB of hard drive space, there's plenty of room on the PS3 to store hundreds or even thousands of MP3 files, digital photos, and video files. The PS3's cross media bar framework is going to need some upgrades to help users organize and sift through such a large number of files.

Online

We advise you to set aside 15 minutes to set up your PlayStation Network account and have a credit card ready if you want to add money to your PlayStation Network wallet. Having a USB keyboard will greatly reduce the amount of time it takes to enter in personal information, passwords, password hints, address information, and credit card information. You'll have the option to create a master account or a sub account during the registration process. A master account lets you access all online features, such as wallet creation. The sub account is subject to parental control restriction settings and will need to use the wallet from a master account to make PlayStation Store purchases.


Once you have a working account you can maintain a friends list that will let you send and receive messages to other people on the PlayStation Network. You can invite friends to chat if you both have microphones or headsets, and you can also use the Sony EyeToy to enable video chat. We tried attaching a Logitech USB PC webcam, but the PS3 didn't recognize it. The voice quality for PS3 chat seemed to be better than the Xbox 360's voice chat sound quality.


The PlayStation Store itself gives you access to game and movie trailers, game demos, and full downloadable arcade-style games. Clicking on a game will bring you to a download screen that displays the game description complete with ESRB rating. You'll have the option to download the game if it's a free demo or add it to your shopping cart if it's only available for purchase. The store listed the full version of Blast Factor for $7.99. Once you buy the item, it's good for "use or downloads on up to 5 activated PS3 systems," according to the terms of use listed in the item description.


You can download files directly to the PS3 hard disk drive, but you'll also have the option to save files to attached USB devices or flash memory cards. We downloaded several game demos directly to the memory stick. We would have liked to see actual file sizes on the item description pages, but the service doesn't reveal the size of the download until you actually start the download process. Download speeds varied greatly while we tested the network the day before the official launch. The 36MB HD game trailer took about 12 minutes to download, while files that were 10 times as large, downloaded in a much shorter amount of time. We abandoned downloads fairly often because you can't do anything else on the console while waiting for a download to complete. Sadly, the system won't save your progress if you stop a download before it finishes--you'll have to restart the download from the very beginning.


Overall, the PlayStation Store seemed to function well, but it could stand to be more user-friendly. We kept on trying to use the "X" button to back out of store menu pages even though the only way to back out of pages was to guide the cursor to the bottom of the page and select the "Prev" button. Game menu navigation habits are difficult to break. Perhaps the PlayStation Store navigation team can take some cues from game user interface best practices.

Internet Browser

The PlayStation 3 Web browser offers a barely passable Internet experience. As it stands now, the built-in PS3 Web browser feels like beta software. Anyone familiar with the PSP's Web browser won't be surprised by the PS3's lackluster browser performance. The browser can load most sites, but not all pages load properly, and performance is extremely slow. The GameSpot site loads up on most attempts, but only after you click "yes" when the browser prompts you to allow the Flash plug-in to run. The problem is that the browser doesn't offer an "always allow this plug-in to run" checkbox option, so you'll have to go through the plug-in prompt every single time you load a site that uses a special plug-in. Yahoo displays a stripped-down front page and a message asking you to use a different Web browser to get full-page functionality. The PS3 does have you covered if all you ever do online is watch videos on YouTube--yes, the videos work.

General page loads can take anywhere from 10 seconds to two minutes or more, which is an eternity compared to the three or four seconds it takes for most sites to load on normal, broadband-connected desktop Web browsers. The slow load times on our PS3 Web browser made our fast Internet connection feel like a dial-up modem. The browser also hard-locked our system several times, but the danger of crashing only added excitement to the browsing experience because clicking on each link became a minigame of Russian roulette.

Performance issues aside, the browser does look like a decent starting point for Sony. The program has all the basic features. You can set your start page and save bookmarks to manage your favorite sites. It helps to have a keyboard for entering URLs. If you're stuck with the character pad, the PS3 offers predictive text that includes URL-related entries, such as "http://www" and common top-level domains like ".com," to make entering URLs a lot easier. You can adjust the text character size and pixel display ratios to customize sites for your screen.

We won't know how the upcoming console generation truly compares until all of the new systems have a few years to build up game libraries, flesh out online features, and perfect media capabilities, but we can tell you that the PlayStation 3 has the raw potential to excel in all three areas. The PS3's Cell processor and RSX GPU will keep the console competitive in graphics, and Sony's army of third-party developers will supply the PS3 with a constant supply of quality games. The PS3 also has the tools to become a formidable living room entertainment server, with its upgradeable hard disk, networking, and extensive media format support. Online is the biggest unknown because the PlayStation Network is Sony's first online service for the console, but we're willing to give Sony some time to develop the PlayStation 3's online functionality--it is free after all.

Visit our PlayStation 3: Inside and Out feature to find out more about the PlayStation 3.

Discussion

1638 comments
HXCDEW
HXCDEW

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cuffyone
cuffyone

yep the hd drive is out for the x360 now.....,but hey guess what i dont have to buy it if i dont want to. I like having choice. Sonys trying to cram blue ray down the consumers throat and i for one dont care for thier tactics much. going to stick with 360 for now and to think i used to be a hopeless sony fan boy..just dont believe in blind loyalty i guess.

aznkhaoone
aznkhaoone

oh and one more thing, "dont hate, appreciate" ^_^

aznkhaoone
aznkhaoone

dont be hatin, this is system is a great machine,I love it, all the new consoles are good. the games and storyline to those consoles define the strengths of the consoles so if its good its good and if its bad its bad. shoot its like this xbox gots halo and ps3 has resistance. final fantasy for playstation and fable for xbox. jus wait another year or so and things may be different, it just takes time. and so all i can say is "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" so please stop all the hating.

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bhzfhvsadsjczfd

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EvoStvO
EvoStvO

LOL...Get a real gaming machine..A Computer....With a 8800GTX in it

animedrac
animedrac

lets say i bought the console in asia, can i still play it in europe?

REGG1234567890
REGG1234567890

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Strongshot
Strongshot

That shows what the SONY guys can do, this is a PERFECT machine

CWEBB04z
CWEBB04z

Nice the power button, and stuff is Touch Sensitive..I like that..

EDOG
EDOG

I think it's time that Sony changes its controller than keeping the old super Nintendo 4 button lay out, but anyways just imagine if Sony and Nintendo would have made if they would of went through. it would be A Wii-mote with graphics/game play the perfect combination!

sid13579
sid13579

well im glad some people agree with me as there are other such alternatives to the ps3. and to samiiii, i dont care what you have to say about me, coming from a sony fanboy as it seems that is just your own opinion, as mine is my own.

Mercenary19
Mercenary19

The PS3 seems awsome. BUt I agree with the other people who commented. Its all about the games and how good they are.

bhzfhvsadsjczfd
bhzfhvsadsjczfd

TIp: Did you know that the first person in the world that bought ps3 was a man from Greece? I heard it at the news(100% Sure)

leoploradon01
leoploradon01

Who cares wich system is better! 360 and PS3 both have rainbow six vegas thats all that matters!

batman360
batman360

Coming from a sony fanboy. Judge the games and not the system. Exactly Kill-U

toru12
toru12

wow i want to buy one unit ¡¡¡ but it will be so expensive in my country :( I have to wait a little bit more :(

Kill-U
Kill-U

I don't like the fact that everyone is comparing all of the systems because one has blue ray and the other has xbox live, I just want to play the games not just the system alone. you are all forgeting the fact that its all just a game competition not much the systems. The systems just play them. Sure its good to have fan boys but you should also respect other systems for all systems have their own good thing. I love nintendo and mostly xbox; I hate sony and the playstation, but I respect thier good games and the developers. except nintendo which is system designers and games designers as well which is sweet. just pay attention to the games not the systems.

jimbo6923
jimbo6923

I'm curious why they didn't show any detail about games, I thought that's what the system was for, games. I would like to see if the PS3 can produce a good picture on a older HDTV (I doubt many people have brand spankin' new 1080p HDMI tvs) I just have to agree with galacticat, yes it might get better in a year, but the 360 is really Sony's biggest problem... and I really don't see anyway they can fully compete, let alone dominate.

galacticat
galacticat

A year in the gaming-technology world is a long time. The fact that the PS3 trailed the 360 by a year and is (generously speaking at this point) only equal to the 360 in these head-to-head comparisons is something that Sony should be ashamed of. If the PS3 would have launched first and the360 had a whole year to sit back and make an even better system, it would be absolute 360 ownage. PS3 fanboys keep banking on the fact that developers haven't had a chance to optimize code yet, and when they do, the 360 will get crushed. Sorry, but that's a wet dream, fanboys. The fact of the matter is that Sony's crappy PS3 development kit isn't a problem that all of the sudden gets solved and goes away. The 360 is inherently a better system to develop games for, and as PS3 developers make progress optimizing code, 360 developers will make that same progress and more. I'd rather be 360 and have a regular arm and a nailgun than PS3 with a slightly stronger arm (and that's a BIG maybe) and a hammer. There are surely some very sweaty balls at Sony right now.

Darkness_78
Darkness_78

I WANT THIS TO COME TO LATIN AMERICA!!!

spenjax11
spenjax11

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CDWJUSTIN
CDWJUSTIN

my favorite thing about the system is the Hard Drive...i like how u can just pop in a different one...if online the other systems would allow u this..

snukadaman
snukadaman

Imagine if you will a ps3 with no blue ray dvd drive...why is it we can think it and the arrogance of sony cant...im no ms or sony fanboy..only a video gamer..i own a xbox 360 and plan on getting a Wii one day...ps3 is not in my want list...and from reading alot of the posts alot of other people as well...i think if there was no blue ray sony would be in the race...but as of yet..

bigboss33
bigboss33

yes horray for pc the best for all time

uberjannie
uberjannie

Stick with PC. Better graphic and we have better games (most of the times).

semperfi3
semperfi3

After reading the comparison they did with graphics between the PS3 and X360 I'm definately staying with either PC gaming or my X360. If graphics is what you want definately stay with those 2. www.PlugComputers.com

datniccah187
datniccah187

I want a PS3, but the games so far don't seem to be all that great. I think i'm going to hold off for a while.

cpilla1
cpilla1

It doesn't matter to me which one people think is better (I have the 360 and a Wii) and like them each for their own reasons, but what's funny is we will all be having this same argument in 4-5 years when PS4, Xbox 720? and Wii2 come out. Just watch out when they make Wii2. They already have the unique gameplay element locked up so maybe by then they will catch up in the graphics dept.

redrabbit
redrabbit

Compared to the U.I on the Nintendo Wii, it all look's very confusing!

GrimGravy
GrimGravy

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GrimGravy
GrimGravy

i own all three and after doing the math in order to make a 360 have all the bells and whistles like a ps3 you have to 1. buy WiFi add on which is 100 bucks that bring the total to 500 dollars 2. buy the HD DVD add on that comes to 200 bucks making the total 700 dollars for a 360 But the 360 came with component cable and i had to pay 60 bucks for HDMI cord so that makes the 360 40 more bucks still which isnt a big deal but the Ps3 for 40 less has 60Gig HDD. So in the end it gonna cost alot of money lol good thing they both kick ass

piztolero
piztolero

the sixaxis it's look like the control of the PS2......

lukeuh36azabc
lukeuh36azabc

It is very good at graphics sound and online multiplaying but one thing is missing FUN!

Samiiii
Samiiii

Sid get your facts right man, PS3 will own,Free online gaming, blu ray. Mine after i done my GCSE's

glassesboy
glassesboy

Honestly if i were rich i would buy all the freaken consoles, cuz all of them have their pros and cons. Comparing the PS3 to the 360 is like comparing the Lambo Murchilago and the Ferrari Enzo. We forget how far gaming consoles have come!!!!! Im a PS3 fan and loyal to Sony, like many people out there, but i must admit the 360 is better in some ways, but to say that the PS3 is overated, NEVER!!!!!!!

ff_gamerz
ff_gamerz

greatt... can't wait to buy it..

racing5112
racing5112

to semperfi3, PS3 is more of an investment, If you are not going to buy a separate next gen dvd player and want to use this format the 20 gig PS3 is already a better deal. if you through in wireless and the battery issue and an HDMI cable for PS3 the 20 GB PS3 is still cheaper. As for MS improving the audio quality and video quality of their HD DVD drive you're stuck because it doesnt support more than 1.5 MBPS audio meanwhile PS3 supports 8 uncompressed channels of 24bit- 192kHz audio. for anyone who cares about quality PS3 is definatly the way to go if you are tight on your budget. For those audio and videophiles standalone players WILL provide even better quality.

racing5112
racing5112

finally nice too see some fellow intelligent people out there speaking up and attacking the BS statements being made here. as for Blu Ray failing, all BR movies so far use one layer meanwhile HD DVD's are using two already and are pushing them to the limit. As for triple and quadruple layer discs, those are a long way off for both formats.

semperfi3
semperfi3

After reading the 360 vs. PS3 comparison gamespot is showcasing right now, 360 is looking like a much better investment, I dont think that is going to help blu-ray become the leader for HD dvd's.. www.PlugComputers.com

HavokReleased
HavokReleased

Thank god i sold my PS3.... Call of Duty and resistance were both crap on that system, that's why you hear no talk about it.

werid
werid

whats up with the massive comments?

Xuljester
Xuljester

Okay, let's cut through the crap here. Xbox 360: Bad console (A lot of hardware mistakes and poor design; scratched disks = loud noises = overheating = nuclear meltdown? =p) Good games (But we'll probably see production slow down within a year, unfortunately) Nothing really new as far as function (Save for later add-ons, like the HD-DVD, and of course, the readily available Hi-Def) My Prediction - The 360 will be a good console, but the only attraction will be the big titles. As soon as the big titles are released, the 360 will start loosing it's appeal, and 360 owners will look elsewhere, much like the Xbox. There may be a few extra add-ons for the xbox 360, but nothing the other consoles won't already offer, or plan to offer. Microsoft will most likely begin work on another console much sooner than the other consoles, and plan an earlier release again, hoping to compensate a bit. (I really hope not though, as I don't want to imagine seeing another next-gen console until 2009) Playstion 3: Good console (Nice design, nice hardware, props on easily upgradable HD, let's just hope the ram holds up) Good games (Good graphics because of the better hardware, several big titles, and we'll probably see plenty of games get released every year which are worth buying) Great functionality (The hardware alone makes it appealing, like the Blu-Ray, although the Six-Axis could have been better) My Prediction - The PS3 will be a good console for any gamer, having plenty of games and power to boot. We'll probably see some nifty additions like an improved Eye-Toy, and better controllers, but probably nothing newer than that. Blu-Ray DVDs will most likely be very popular with everyone, save for Microsoft who is trying to compete with it. Sony will most likely release a smaller and more compact version of the PS3 as well. Nintendo Wii (Viva la Revolution!): Great console (It's gone in a very different direction, albeit a funky one, but it works and we love it) Good games (They're old, they're new, they're different, and let's hope there's plenty of them) I won't say great function, but I will say it's a nice change of pace (The controllers are really the biggest selling point, as they've changed the way many of the games are played) My Prediction - The Nintendo Wii will be fun and entertaing for the whole family, like always. The rate of release for games will be satisfactory, but not spectacular in comparison to the PS3. We'll see several clever, yet costly, additions to the console that will improve the experience somewhat, but not enough to give it a lead against the other consoles. And... Well... We'll just have a lot of fun with the damned thing. =) END CRAP-CUTTING! Let's hope we don't see any new consoles until 2009. That way we have enough time for our money pouches to stop writhing in pain. And let's hope all the consoles surpass my predictions! Mostly because I'll most likely atleast try and get all three consoles. The Wii first, of course, but it's a toss-up between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 right now. When I'm ready to buy my next console, it'll probably be more clear as to which would be the better choice.

sid13579
sid13579

to xBlacknifex, first off, i wasnt trying to "bash" the PS3 for what it is, i was just mearly pointing out the few mad things about it that a casual gamer may or may not notice. I do not hate any of the consoles, nor do i make myself a hardcore fan of any of the consoles. Yes i know there are PS3 advantages over the other consoles, but still, its still just a bloody games console. If you have enough money to spend on a PS3 then go for it, im not here to try and stop you nor do i care in fact. But i can almost GUARANTEE that some annoying people out there will say "PS3 games rule over 360 and Wii's games!" and that just plainly annoys me purely the fact that they are so narrow minded. Obviously they would say that because they only looked at the games from the outside, and not actually play the games on the other consoles apart from the PS3. I had recently changed the way one of my mates way of thinking of games as he used to be a "playstation follower". I let him play a few games on my 360 purely because he was flaming them to pieces because it was on microsofts console, but after a few hours he loved it and since then i have never heard a flame or complaint about anything not Sony. Halo is awsome and so is MGS, i was merely giving examples of games to play that werent MGS, or VF, or GT etc. I may have not worded it correctly due to my lack of proper english literature, but i was just stating to those pure "sony lovers" out there that there are alternatives, and if you give them a chance then you may actually like the product that you were flaming in the first place. To darkwolfs48, yes i do agree with you that VF5 contains a more complex "learn and master" style of character play, but dont forget that DOA4 also contains a few characters that are hard to master, maybe not the months that you are talking about, but a good amount of time to get used to. For example, one of these characters could be Ryu Hayabusa. I mean his moves may only just come over a number of 100, but some of those moves take ages to master, especially the throw combos. To a casual gamer, they would probably be more inclined to play DOA4 alot more than VF5 just because it is easier to play and less time consuming to become good with a certain character. Yes both Halo and MGS are system seller games, but again i was only intending to point out those narrow minded gamers that there is an alternatvie to the games they always seem to praise about. Yes i agree that its all personal preference, that was basically my whole point. My intended message was to those who see a certain console as a far superiour console to the others, stop flaming things that you have no knowledge or experience about, and if you actually give those things a chance then you actually may become to like it, weither its Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo. Good work on Wow tho, played the trail version myself, wasnt my kinda thing to carry on over the trial, but i still had fun (the sole reason games were invented in the first place: fun!). I personally have a current subscription to RF Online. Bloody good game and i would recommend it to anyone to give it a go and see what they think :-)