Petition against Manhunt 2 ban gathers pace

A petition has been set up on the official Number 10 Downing Street Web site to protest the British Board of Film Classification's recent decision to refuse a rating for Rockstar Games' Manhunt 2 game. So far 1,045 signatures have been gathered from British citizens living at home or overseas who...

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A petition has been set up on the official Number 10 Downing Street Web site to protest the British Board of Film Classification's recent decision to refuse a rating for Rockstar Games' Manhunt 2 game. So far 1,045 signatures have been gathered from British citizens living at home or overseas who protest the effective banning of the title.

The petition, titled "We the undersigned petiiton the British Prime Minister to restrict the powers of the BBFC with regard to the banning of video games," will be collecting signatures until the deadline of August 26, reads as follows: "The BBFC have recently refused to rate the videogame Manhunt 2. As such, adults in this country will never be allowed to play this game. Adults should be allowed to make their own decisions with regard to what videogames they want to play. We all understand that this game is extremely violent and unsuitable for children. As such an 18 rating should have been applied."

Manhunt 2 was the first game in the UK to be denied a rating from the BBFC in 10 years. The first, Carmaggedon, had the decision overturned on appeal and was subsequently released. The ratings board cited reasons such as the title's "unremitting bleakness" and "casual sadism" as the reasoning behind the Manhunt 2 ban.

In the US, Manhunt 2 was rated by the Entertainment Software Rating Board as AO for Adults Only, a rating which Nintendo and Sony do not allow on their console systems, and as such, effectively banned the title in America as well. Take-Two has suspended its plans to release the game while it "reviews its options."

Discussion

173 comments
revanent
revanent

also just remembered that the manhunt 2 psp that was supposed to be downsized to be less was easily hacked to put the stuff bk on so once again kids could hav easily downloaed it via iso's online but guess the whole rating should be dropped or at least changed like a scary game or high shooter game should be bought with parents, also mature games should only be games that lead to nudity.lol

revanent
revanent

this petition should be illegal cause its a infringement of our rights,should sue the government for denyin rating to something that clearly is mature game, shouldnt be concernet about children playin when they know full well that selling the game to minors is illegal so if the kids get hold of a copy somehow then theres not much u can do, just because a kid plays a violent game does not mean they will be a killer, if that was so then every kid who played halo 3, gears of war would be a killer, this would be in the millions so think they hav too much free time, need to stop messing with free speech cause thats wat gaming is, if they continue then we should vote against the goverment due to the fact that wat they ar doin should be illegal!

Lunatic_on_Acid
Lunatic_on_Acid

Dear Fellow Gamers, We should applaud this petition by our UK counterparts and begin to question it on our own side of the Atlantic. This game has sparked a usual run of the mill interest of the gaming industry in the news simply because of a scandal. However, at its core this is a publicized event regarding the ability of a game's interactive ness to truly affect the player and its potential real world outcomes of such exposure. How far in interactive entertainment can they go? If it comes down to Hollywood, I'm sorry but too many entertainment media have too many connections to that small area of the earth to question its severity to a point that it would threaten the jobs of an industry that rival the economy of a mid sized country. Movies are rapidly reaching the point where they are having a harder and harder time affecting their audiences. They have settled into a routine of easy to bake easy to please movies that have moderate return investments with little risk. They satiate mid-level consumers of the arts in their own way for maximum prospective profits, but don

supercman
supercman

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artiebillymac
artiebillymac

They shouldn't ban the game just try & make sure kids under 18 but adults should beable to play it .

lanista
lanista

Slightly misleading to say that Sony do not allow Adults Only games to be released for their console Maybe true in the USA, but in the UK Adults Only means an 18 rating, as anyone aged 18 or over is deemed to be an adult in modern law And Sony definitely allow 18 rated games to be sold freely on their console in the UK, and pretty much all retailers stock games with those ratings For UK films, there is a slightly higher rating of 'R' which means Restricted. These apply to pornographic or other such films which can only be sold through outlets which are specifically licensed by local government for selling adult material. There are very few ot these outlets and they are not found on the high street or in shopping centres. Also the windows to those shops are usually blacked out and entry is not even permitted to the shop unless you are an adult.

lamprey263
lamprey263

This petition is gathering pace?! Well, I guess it's better than nothing.

mohawkny115
mohawkny115

This kind of issue should be a big deal to anyone like I said you need to speak up for this cause all it takes is one lil shove from them and they start clampin down on everything, it should not fall into the government's hands to do everything right on down to what you can play and cannot play, benjamin franklin once said those who sacrifice liberty for a little security deserve neither and will lose both and that applies here because if your so willing to let these government officials do this, then you will lose any chance of seeing a decent game again, because you won't get what you want, instead you will get what they want.

aielith
aielith

Ghostin-Dashell i find it funny you agree.. ohh the irony being 18 is not old enough to play a game where you murder people or even grab a beer for that matter, but it sure is old enough to grab a real gun and go kill people in some foreign country

mohawkny115
mohawkny115

Leave it to those with outright negativity to say something like that, petitions do work you just have to meet the requirements. I want manhunt 2 to come out just because this whole political thing with video games is getting out of hand, we as a people can make our own damn decisions, when you reach an age of 18 you can start making your own choices, you let politicians do it for you and its not your own thought any more its what they envision, so therefore its control. I know this is ranting but we need to take it seriously and show them that we won't let them take control, you let them do this and they will keep pushing on us with bigger subjects and its just sign that you don't care and next thing you know gears of war 2 will get banned and that game is more graphic than anythign I've seen even the first manhunt.

comiccollector5
comiccollector5

Hopefully this petition will be looked towards from the government. I remeber signing 2 petitions in my life, one for family guy and futurama and look at those :).

rikhan_z
rikhan_z

I dunno why they banned Manhunt 2 where there are other violent games out their... games such as Hitman didn't have a banned. There were people having sex in a meat house in one level... I don't see why they didn't ban it.

interpolred
interpolred

Yup, the petition isn't going to do much. I really hope they release it though, because Rockstar is known for making high-quality games. I really want to play it.

TheC0m1ssar
TheC0m1ssar

Wow. It amazes that these people have only SEEN the game, and not ever PLAYED it. I am sure they would change their minds after playing just 10 minutes of Manhunt.

ocdog45
ocdog45

its not that big of a deal

G_W_X
G_W_X

This petition is as pointless as calling an apple an orange!

vader501st
vader501st

I'm so sick and tired of those so called "adults" and "politicians" picking on games... While we chop heads in our games, thousands of minors are robbing,mudering, raping and god only knows what else. And no, they don't give a damn about that.They prefer to ban virtual violence and let REAL violence free for all. In other words they are a real pain in the a$$

foolwestcoast33
foolwestcoast33

it just goes to show how goverment mostly in the United States and the UK are more interested in keeping a game from your getting in to your hands but send sponsors of armed forces to your school to convince you to join up and kill and die for a country that controls little unimportant things like this the problem isnt in entertainment but in politics and diplomacy. Makes me sick that there used to be more important things like bringing justice to those who commit genocide in third world countries in Africa

supermuscle
supermuscle

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supermuscle
supermuscle

Alot of people are saying that this won't work, but people from the UK will remember a couple of months back that a PM's office petition on new road charged and increasing numbers of speed cameras meant the government had to scale down their proposals effectively giving into the petition. Admitedly it was signed by over a million people but still, it acts as proof that democracy can prevail.

Jedilink109
Jedilink109

I'm going to sign this thing. Because I think that it's so stupid to be BANNING this game. I wasn't going to buy the game right when it came out but since it's had all of this stuff around it...I'm going to buy it RIGHT when it comes out now! Just to show support for it!

fugori
fugori

@cougar63 There is absolutely no evidence that violent games teach children how to kill. It's false. That's the exact argument that people like Jack Thompson make, erroneously, and it is the very reason why this silly double-standard is being applied to video games while other art forms are secure behind long-established first amendment protections. Does watching Hostel make children torturers? Does reading Moby Dick lead to a spike in children who want to become whalers? It's ridiculous.

cougar63
cougar63

With all the killings and shootings that have plagued our news stations lately, this game is, possibly, coming out at an inproper time. I am for AO games being made and put out for us adults to play, but, games like this should never be produced nor released. Teach people how to kill and use stealth-what message does it send to us and our children!!

higgydiggy
higgydiggy

alright theres 2 reasons i cant play this game 1.its AO so its pretty much banned in the U.S. 2.my parents check the ratings since im not even in high school yet *GASP*did i just say my parents check the ratings on the games i play like there supposed too ,i did. this is why the game is getting banned and all these petitions and what not cause not enough parents check ratings and because of that the games fall into the hands of kids that shouldnt be playing it. if it wasnt for that then i dont know why seeing as how stores check your id when buying M games .i dont even like r* and personally hated GTA but i dont like people saying that video games cause the worlds problems when parents should be checking ratings anyway and dont even ask if the person had a bad past. with all the stuff going on the game might get banned before r* can tone it down too an M title.

Sagacious_Tien
Sagacious_Tien

I'd have rather a 18 game, but I haven't played it, so the banning may have been justified. Certainly the original game was unrelentingly violent.

amogley
amogley

Not that it will do much good but I'll add my name to the petition .. not particularly for the sake of MH2 but for the principle. All media should be treated the same ... and let us "mature" gamers play what we want

mulletman39
mulletman39

Yea I agree with StevenJWeir & alot of you seem to have similar views too it seems, we don't live in a dictatorship so we shoud be allowed to play and decide to do what we want...this is SUPPOSED TO BE a FREE country and I don't see how games can be classified differently to other media just because its "interactive" =S ...it's just stupid, go and watch 'story of ricky' or 'battle royale' or something else really brutal and then decide how brutal manhunt 2 is in comparison!! anyone who does something crazy apparently due to playing games must hav had a screw or two loose anyways coz i don't feel the need to run up walls, steal cars, kill ppl or ride horses into unknown lands to kill mythical beasts!!! ...i'm not even a fan mainly because i never gt to play the first game, bt will sign the petition coz i know loads of ppl who really wanna play this! ...I hope it makes a difference!

aaron5829
aaron5829

I want to play Manhunt 2 !! :(

kavadias1981
kavadias1981

It is only one game. I was a little miffed about it as well but I just play some of the other fantastic games out there and it doesn't bother me at all.

owen666
owen666

i hate the fact that this is banned, i mean a 5 year old can sit down and watch hostel, paradise lost and any of the saw films, they are just as bad as this! i mean come on, i played manhunt for 11 hours straight and i havnt killed anyone yet.

trexnine
trexnine

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trexnine
trexnine

I wonder if saw and hostel are released in the UK.

ickville
ickville

If everyone thinks the game is going to be too violent then dont play it, its not like you dont have a choice its the parents fought if kids learn anything from it. The more hype they give it the more kids are going to want to see how it really is just shut up about it already

finaleve
finaleve

I'd sign but no one takes these petitions seriously anymore. So it'd be wasted effort.

Unr3al39
Unr3al39

They spelled Carmageddon wrong.

Hicks_1
Hicks_1

petions will only get attention if one million or more people sign it and thats not gonna happen

Glitch321
Glitch321

Please someone sign with the name Gordon Brown :)

TacoJelly
TacoJelly

The government (ANY GOVERNMENT) has absolutely no right to ban any form of art/entertainment. I don't care if the game gives you points for molesting children and uttering racial slurs, it's up to the public to vote with their dollar not the government acting like a parent figure. Ugghhh. It just angers me that at my age their are still people (government, esrb) basically telling me I can't do something. And it's equally infuriating that some people (Nintendo) don't have the balls to release it at AO even though THERE ARE PARENTAL BLOCKS ON THE SYSTEM PUTTING ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PARENTS.

buffalobill
buffalobill

I have a better idea. Petition Rockstar to release the AO version of Manhunt 2 on the PC and hype it as an uncut version only available from Rockstar's on-line store. The initial sales spike could generate a ton of cash flow. Smarter yet, they should play along with Sony and Nintendo and tone the game down for an M. Wait a few months, then unleash the uncut PC edition on the world. Gee, I should check my crystal ball more often.

choasgod
choasgod

Umm thats great that their trying to get the game rated ... But since Take-2 can't publish it, nobody is gonna play for a while anyway ...

fugori
fugori

@mrparabolic AO is part of the problem. The ESRB knew exactly what they were doing when they applied the rating to the game. It's an effective ban. AO has no meaning if it prevents a game from being in stores to begin with. The ESRB is as guilty as Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony are in this respect because they simply used the convenience of the Big Three's collective policy on AO-rated games to get by without truly banning it. Also, in the context of this article, it's important to know that in the U.K. the game IS banned. Not an unofficial ban like here in the U.S., but a bona-fide not-gonna-allow-it kind of ban. @stziggy That is the most ignorant thing I've read all day. I sincerely hope that you're joking.

John_of_Fire
John_of_Fire

Good luck. Rockstar needs to fix it or else no go. I wonder how many 'adults' actually signed the thing?

stziggy
stziggy

This is another sad example of the looney left taking a dump of people's civil rights. I'm all for keeping this game out of the hands of kids, but I should have the right to purchase the game. Rockstar should have the right to publish the game. But no, the liberals of America and the UK have found another way exert what they think is best for you and me. It's not violent games contributing to the decline of civilization, it's liberals. It's not terrorists that are our biggest threats to freedom, it's the liberals. A terrorist may want you dead, but a liberal will make you wish you were dead.

mrparabolic
mrparabolic

The problem isn't that Manhunt 2 was rated AO. It got that rating because it deserved it. The problem is that none of the systems have the balls to allow AO games. I understand why family oriented companies like Target and Wal-mart don't carry AO games, but the console companies should not be censoring developer content. This game should be available in gaming stores like EB and you should have to ask for it to get it, but I understand why a game as violent as this one isn't allowed in family oriented stores.

chibi-acer
chibi-acer

I'd like to see the game get released, but I think it would hilarious if the British board makes up a new rating just for this game. "You want us to rate it? Fine! Manhunt 2 is rated W, for just plain wrongness!!!"

psycomantis_32
psycomantis_32

I think we should petition Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft to let this game come out. Maybe with an oversized AO rating on the box or something. Anyone else agree?