Peter Molyneux: "Never underestimate Nintendo"

Outspoken Fable creator says Nintendo has "lost their way a bit" with the Wii U, but betting against the company would be unwise.

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Nintendo and the Wii U may be struggling at the moment, but that doesn't mean the company is doomed, according to outspoken Fable creator Peter Molyneux.

"Never underestimate Nintendo," Molyneux told IGN (via GamesIndustry International). "They're probably one hardware release away from something that utterly convinces us that they know exactly what the future of games should be."

Nintendo is currently working on a mystery "quality of life" hardware initiative that the company has major plans for. [GameSpot editor Tom McShea maintains that this new platform could be a means to quietly kill off the Wii U].

Molyneux also said that he's not a big fan of the Wii U's "clunky" design. Overall, however, the industry veteran said Nintendo's staff are "super-smart" people, even if they had "lost their way a bit" with the Wii U so far.

"The problem with Nintendo is they did a fantastic job of finding these millions of new players with the Wii, and the Wii U kind of does that but also tries to bring in the existing gamers as well, so they may have lost their way a bit," Molyneux said. "But they're super-smart people."

The Wii U launched in November 2012 and has sold more than 5.8 million units worldwide to date. High-profile first-party games like Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. are due out later this year and Nintendo will no doubt look to those games to help drive system sales.

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and you can follow him on Twitter @EddieMakuch
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Discussion

355 comments
nami_the_mage
nami_the_mage

I love my Wii U! The Wii U is a great console, it just needs more great games. Like yesterday!

MrPuzzlez
MrPuzzlez

My thing is, if you have 8 bln in the warchest, and you're operating at a profit no matter how bad sales are, why not hire some more game programmers to help get things out of the pipeline?  IMHO, I feel like they've been working on Smash U forever!  When was it announce, 2010?!  It's 2014 and it's STILL to be announced!  I know big "N" has a habit of delaying games for perfection, but still, you can't keep your hardcore fans waiting forever...

jark888
jark888

Ask yourself how long Wii U lifespan is, and I think you should have a clear picture why people don't support the system. 

Jedilink109
Jedilink109

Well if I had frickin money I'd have bought a WiiU already.  Thanks economy.  I love making just above minimum wage with my college debt.  No it's great.

jackbartolucci
jackbartolucci

This is going to be a long one, I apologize ahead of time.

First I gotta come clean on why I'm even passionate about games.

Nintendo.

Does that mean I'm not gonna call them out when they do stupid shit?

Nope.

The Wii was probably the worst thing that Nintendo did to the industry (Virtual boy doesn't even come close, it fizzled out before it could do any real damage).

When the Wii launched, it was $250 w/ game. The Gamecube was $200. And the N64 before that was also $200.

Think about that. An extremely underpowered console, launched for $50 more than 2 very powerful (at the time) consoles...

Kee-Ripes man, you gotta be fucking kidding me?!

And don't give me that "yeah, but it came with a game" bullshit. It costs a few bucks to manufacture that shit.

Which actually brings me to my next point...

Chapter 2:

Electric Boogaloo

________________

Nintendo does this same bonehead move that makes their consoles fail.

They must have that "IT" game AT launch AND bundle it. If you don't have the "it" game ready, at least have a demo of it in the box. Or here's a novel idea... Don't launch yet!!!

Let's start from NES (I know, we're gonna be here all day).

NES/Mario - sold great

SNES/Mario world- great

N64/Mario64 - very good (but would've done better if it was bundled.)

GameCube/Luigis mansion - not too good (no bundle, LM is NOT the "IT" game )

*On a bit of a downward spiral aren... Wait, what's this?

Wii/wii sports - Flapjacks baby! (Wonder why? Killer ap, bundled? Nah, people love paying $250 for 6 year old tech when the same ugly shit (PS2) is staring at them for $100)

Wii U/Nintendo Land - doody sales (NL is very good, but... "IT"... No. Dude, you need remotes from the old system to play most games, they gotta be "plus" remotes, you need other fucking humans).

It was as confusing as it could be. Even to me, and I read up on this shit.

To top it off, you have 2 other systems with huge libraries of games (which some argue look better graphically).

Folks, what are we still doing here? We know what they needed to do.

NINTENDO!

Hey, Listen! (See what I did there?)

Pick a great I.P. (You have those, ya know)

Zelda, METROID(2D), FZero, EARTHBOUND, Kirby, Donkey Kong, PUNCHOUT (put Tyson back in), Starfox, Pilotwings, Fucking ADVANCE WARS (where the fuck has that been?), Mario 64 sequel!?!?, DRILL DOZER. Christ, have Namco make that PAC-MAN VS. Again for Wii U... It was made for this!

And I'm sorry...

You must be completely shitting me, that you didn't think to start making SMASH BROS., Until after the console... was in my fucking house.

You can't be that dumb.

You can't.

I'm done now, and I'm sorry.

Believe it or not, I actually really do dig Nintendo. Especially up until they started making their games fucking "baby proof".

Don't get me started.

akuma12345
akuma12345

As much as I love Nintendo, I admitted that Wii U is a flawed and the future of gaming will be the PS Now and PC !!!
 the quality of life sound dump to me :P

playmynutz
playmynutz

I'll buy a Wii when; Diddy Kong skateboads

RoachRush
RoachRush

Wouldn't it be hilarious if, despite all the bad press, Nintendo still wins in the end?

Think about it: the Wii U isn't doing spectacular, but Nintendo still has tons of money in the war chest. The PS4 is selling like hotcakes, yet Sony as a whole is collapsing in flames around them. And Xbox One is just starting to pick up speed, in spite of investors calling out Microsoft to drop the system.

Nintendo may not even need to knock out its opponents - it can win by decision.

daikkenaurora12
daikkenaurora12

the only thing from Nintendo that I care about really is Pokemon, Metroid and an adult version Zelda game.  


The Wii-U is under powered and the controller is too bulky.

l_skipper
l_skipper

Hang in there N and give us new Metroid already !

glimpus
glimpus

Nintendo's got over 8 billion in the bank.  I'm still playing the new Donkey Kong, it's friggin hard!  They still know how to make games.

rickphoenixxx
rickphoenixxx

Well of course, as long as their are little kids/pokemon/game boys Nintendo will be alright. As for home consoles well...the Wii U is as revelvant to next-gen gaming as portable cd players are to modern music options. 

Piris
Piris

つ◕_◕༽つ Give Mario Kart

StarsiderSajun
StarsiderSajun

Yeah I don't know about everyone else, but solid titles like Mario Kart and especially Smash Bros are what I end up picking up a Wii for, and then from there I will end up grabbing a ton more games once I have a great reason to own the system. I think that's how it is with most systems generally. Only reason I got a PS3 was for the Last of Us and Journey, and then from there I grabbed many more games.

crazyj_007123
crazyj_007123

love my wii u and cant wait for smash bros.  games like that are whats going to keep Nintendo going for sure. i also just got donkey kong and I gotta say wow what an amazing game. 

WA31988
WA31988

I think i've said this before, but can't recall whether i mentioned it here or in some other place...anyways.

If a certain console sales suck, yes it won't get 3rd party support, which is the current situation of the Wii U. but since when gamers get a nintendo console for 3rd party titles anyways? u get a pc, a sony or a microsoft console for that. nintentdo consoles are pretty much for nintendo games (except SNES which had almost everything back in the day).

Bearing that in mind, i don't see the Wii U's doing shit at all. the fact that it got pretty much no 3rd party titles, PUSHES nintendo to bring more first ip's on it, whether its same old games or new ones, nintendo got NO CHOICE but to keep on releasing 1st party ip's on the Wii U which i think will result in the Wii U having MORE & BETTER nintendo games than the Wii had. In my way of seeing things, that will make the Wii U a much more "successful" NINTENDO console than the Wii was, simply because it had more nintendo stuff on it.

In addition to that, nintendo seems the only company now still caring for backwards compatibility, so whatever their next console would be, am almost certain it will support Wii U games, which r mostly gonna be nintendo games.

bottom line, looking at things in that prospective, i think nintendo NEEDS this, needs a smack on the head for releasing a console with such specs that can't compete with next gen consoles. but for the long run..this might actually turn out a very good thing for nintendo games fans such as myself...so cheer up fellas, we're getting more of nintendo in our living rooms :)

hitomo
hitomo

Nintendo is dead, and Molyneus proofed more then ones he knows nothing about game industry. the only Thing he did all his live was to copy paste SIMs concept, cause he never get over the fact he wasnt the one inventing the most successfuel game Franchise of all times (the sims)


more likley he has a contract with Nintendo about some new games, like Specter did, but we know he utterly failed.


nobody wants Nintendo anymore, and nobody cares about Monlyneus anymore ... more then reasonable that those

two trying to form an alliance ...


I give this attempt 4/10

PrpleTrtleBuBum
PrpleTrtleBuBum

If Wii U could get Arkham Knight I would be all over Wii U as it's the only ongoing X360/PS3 series I give a damn about.


But when it comes down to last, hopefully perfect Batman simulator vs. nice but unrevolutionary MK8, Smash, NSMB and such, Batman takes priority. Because Zelda and Metroid are so loosely connected I don't think even revolutionary Metroid game would be enough to turn the tables I was going for Wii U but one game ruined your chances sorry.

seriousdave
seriousdave

Yeeaaah, we should all listen to the guy who has a decade long history with broken promises and dissapointing games. Since clearly he has the absolute insight of the gaming market. Or was it dissapointing promises and broken games? Or was it both?

ecurl143
ecurl143

Bottom line is the Wi-U is a colossal failure and that's gotta hurt Nintendo as a company.

It doesn't help that they can't seem to produce anything other than the same old games over and over again - that's just bad, no matter how good you think those games are, that aint gonna fly nowadays.

The last 12 months have been terrible for Nintendo and they've gone from the golden company who seemed to be able to do no wrong to becoming pretty much the laughing stock of the gaming community - a by-word for suck technology. That's an unbelievable turn around in fortune.


tightwad34
tightwad34

Yeah, but shouldn't we underestimate you by now, Peter?

rogerioandrade
rogerioandrade

@rickphoenixxx  Onthe other side... they´re still on the front, by a large margin, on handheld gaming, that always sell hardware better than home consoles.

vaibhavp
vaibhavp

@rickphoenixxx but cd players are very good quality. audiophiles use them. modern music options, streaming or mp3 dont give best possible experience when $1500 headphones are involved

horizonwriter
horizonwriter

@crazyj_007123  I don't know about keeping Nintendo going (I think the 3DS is carrying that burden right now) but those games are definitely strong fan favorites and for good reason.

gameroutlawzz
gameroutlawzz

@crazyj_007123  If youve never played DKC:Returns you should play it next. Then pick up SSB Brawl with a less than 2GB SD card and download Project M,the greatest SSB game youll have ever played,and what brawl shouldve been in the first place.

boeingmd82
boeingmd82

@WA31988  I always tell people, the Wii U is a GREAT peripheral for an Xbox One or PS4 to play Nintendo games.  

horizonwriter
horizonwriter

@WA31988  That's kind of a black and white way to view a somewhat complicated questions. Since when did gamers get a Nintendo console for 3rd party titles? Well, it was never Nintendo's intention to deliver a console that touted just their titles but through their own missteps, starting with the N64, that's what they reduced themselves to. They've been hemorrhaging 3rd party devs ever since then. So, basically three of the six Nintendo home consoles were bought with the intention of playing all games with the third one being the disappointment that started the downhill slide.

nparks
nparks

@WA31988 On the flip side, lower hardware sales means less money to invest in first party software.  That means fewer titles and/or lower quality.

Jag85
Jag85

@hitomo  


Molyneux was doing the "SIMs concept" long before any of the Sims games ever existed. It's the Sims games that "copy paste" Molyneux games, not the other way around.


And for the record, The Sims is not the most successful franchise. The top three best-selling franchises of all time still belong to Nintendo: Mario, Pokemon, and Wii.


Jag85
Jag85

@hitomo  


Molyneux was doing the "SIMs concept" long before any of the Sims games ever existed. Molyneux is the one who pioneered that genre. It's the Sims that "copy paste" his games, not the other way around.


And no, The Sims is not the most "successuel" franchise. The best-selling franchise is still Mario, followed by Pokemon and Wii.


StarsiderSajun
StarsiderSajun

@hitomo  They're obviously not dead if they're still bringing out stuff like Mario Kart and Smash. If they ever had to scrap one of those games due to money THEN you could safely say they are dead. Until then it's just nonsense.

horizonwriter
horizonwriter

@PrpleTrtleBuBum  Zelda needs new life. They disappointed a lot of people with Skyward Sword and overall the series just needs an overhaul and update, at least the 3-D games do. Link is still making the same sounds and yells and has damn near the same movements/animations he's had since Ocarina of Time back in '98. That game was incredible for 16 years ago but it's past time to step it up in a big way. Metroid is a different story. The Prime series was a great alternative to the 2D side scrollers, which were also amazing, but they really shit on the character of Samus with Other M. The game had some interesting ideas in gameplay that really needed to be developed more, but the character development was horrible. They really don't have very far to go to make another outstanding Metroid game but they have to show more respect for such an established character like Samus.

StarsiderSajun
StarsiderSajun

@ecurl143 As I recall, despite having great hardware sales, the PS2 struggled early on to produce a solid lineup of titles, and look where it is now. Sure the Wii U has struggled much more, and with no third party support and no great first party lineup it will struggle even more, but I'm certain that's about to change.


I'm fairly certain that a ton of people were holding off on buying a Wii U until a new Smash Bros. and/or Mario Kart came out, and as soon as they release those I suspect that hardware sales will skyrocket. I know I'll be picking one up as soon as Mario Kart hits, and definitely for Smash.


Bottom line is that the Wii U hasn't failed, and Nintendo isn't dead... yet. They really just need to step up their game with third party support and start really bringing it with the first party titles like they have in the past.

19James89
19James89

@ecurl143 Yet for the past ten years people have been buying Call of Duty in their tens of millions, people in their millions buy EA sports games and Assassin's Creed games on a yearly basis. Yeah, producing the same franchises over and over again doesn't fly does it? Call of Duty was by far the best selling franchise on the 360 and PS3 last generation and it's the best selling franchise on the newish current generation systems presently. 



horizonwriter
horizonwriter

@vaibhavp @rickphoenixxx  Wow. And there goes the point right over your head.


For the record it's not the media that's the problem. You can get the same quality that you'd find on a CD by getting an uncompressed file format such as a WAV or even something that is lossless instead of a garbage MP3 file, which a lot of audiophiles do.

WA31988
WA31988

@horizonwriter @WA31988  Every company aims for you to buy their console and their console only. But that rarely happen except with gamers who can't afford it but once they do, they grab another. Nintendo did get cocky with the Wii, and frankly said i see the Wii as a worse nintendo console that the Wii U is. 

The Wii did have a massive 3rd party support but most of it was trash. 3-4 "good" titles can sell millions of a console and that was proven even at the 8-bit and 16-bit era. i know ltterally hundreds of ppl bought sega genesis only for sonic, and how many good sonic games it had, like 4 ? and even nowadays most of casual gamers which represents the majority of all gamers, bought a whole console (ps3 or x360) just to play Fifa or COD and that is what they use their console for 90% of the time.

If the Wii U did not have this whole negative air around it, everyone bashing it for not having a solid 3rd party support, trust me, another 2-3 million would've bought it by now and more in the coming few years. how many REAL GOOD titles the Wii had anyway? like 10-15 ? the Wii U ALREADY have the same or lil less number of real Good titles.

As a gamer u should not care for figures nor sales. Games should be your main concern, and as a gamer, i see more n better games on the Wii U than the Wii had, makes the Wii U better than the Wii, REGARDLESS of sales.nintendo should be worried abt that not me, once that reflects on the quality of games they make, then i care but for now they r doing a good job with their 1st ips on Wii U.

WA31988
WA31988

@nparks @WA31988True if the company is doing bad as all, but nintendo's only struggling with one product of theirs. plus according to the figures i read, they got enough to survive for almost a decade regardless of their losses which r not that huge compared to previous losses they managed to come back strong after

PrpleTrtleBuBum
PrpleTrtleBuBum

@horizonwriter @PrpleTrtleBuBum True, but I don't really care to see the "story continuation" or have wishes gameplaywise for either of the games. OoT, Super Metroid and Prime are amazing as they are and I don't really see much to look forward to. Especially when my interest in games in general is declining.

But I really want to see what happens in Arkham finale. OFC I could ask why hasn't Nintendo created a continuation that would interest me in the same way from one game to another.

ecurl143
ecurl143

@19James89  The same franchise is fine, provided you supplement that with other awesome games of equal callibre and big corporations like EA and Activision have a massive catalogue of ip's to draw from, whereas Nintendo don't, so the rinse/repeat of one or two franchises such as Zelda and Super Mario just isn't enough - that was my point really.

ecurl143
ecurl143

@lewiston71 Who said anything about shooters? - Did you read what I said?

I said OTHER awesome games of equal callibre.


lewiston71
lewiston71

@ecurl143 @19James89  So you supplement one shooter for another?  Good to see this industry is right on track for this new generation.