Original PS4 design had 4GB RAM

Sony reveals first pass at next-generation console had "only" 4GB of memory.

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The original PlayStation 4 design had 4GB of memory, Sony confirmed during a presentation at the 2013 Tokyo Game Show this week.

Speaking with GameSpot, president of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida explained the "business decision" to upgrade to 8GB GDDR5.

"And because we chose expensive memory…we really liked the performance, but it's pricy, right? So going to 8GB was a bit of a business decision," Yoshida said. "But we were able to make that decision because of a lot of the feedback from developers. "

The Xbox One, from competitor Microsoft, also features 8GB of RAM.

Sony aims to sell 5 million PlayStation 4 units between launch in November and March 2014. The next-generation console has seen more than 1 million preorders to date.

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themc_7
themc_7

haha all this PS4 vs Xbox shit, it's 2 companies just trying to match what the other  guy has. Sony revealed this info because it made them sound good. originally it was gonna be 4 gb, but we made it better! better for you! Everyone is just trying to make the most amount of money without spending too much. Shit talk the Xbox one all you want, but PS4 is no better. They handled their PR a little better, but hardware for hardware it's all the same. 

Halloll
Halloll

so the PS4 powered by Dance Dance Revolution?

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For $400 your getting a console and controller no nextgen features... I would call that standard package. Although you can purchase purchase the ps eye which holds then nextgen features for $70 and also a game which will be $60 with the 2 = $130 +$400 = $530 ...or you can get a Xboxone fully loaded with xboxone loaded with nextgen console and camera which is kinect and also comes with a game, all for $500 ,,,,game plus the purpose of next gen is right in the box and a game also a free month of online for new comers. No Seprate parts to make somthing look cheaper I call this the premium package.... If I wanted just a console that just play games I would stick with my 360 or my ps 3 because both has way more games then ps4 and xboxone ...so I will stick with who's given more and does more from the looks xbox one is doing and given more, lol the option to play my ps4 if I buy one at the same time through my xboxone....the funny part I used my xbox 360 chat party to play kill zone and socom ..power of my money goes to mircosoft

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For $400 your getting a console and controller no nextgen features... I would call that standard package. Although you can purchase purchase the ps eye which holds then nextgen features for $70 and also a game which will be $60 with the 2 = $130 +$400 = $530 ...or you can get a Xboxone fully loaded with xboxone loaded with nextgen console and camera which is kinect and also comes with a game, all for $500 ,,,,game plus the purpose of next gen is right in the box and a game also a free month of online for new comers. No Seprate parts to make somthing look cheaper I call this the premium package.... If I wanted just a console that just play games I would stick with my 360 or my ps 3 because both has way more games then ps4 and xboxone ...so I will stick with who's given more and does more from the looks xbox one is doing and given more, lol the option to play my ps4 if I buy one at the same time through my xboxone....the funny part I used my xbox 360 chat party to play kill zone and socom ..power of my money goes to mircosoft

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

Hahahahah that shit makes me laugh. "Because we chose expensive memory" Every PC gamer knows that the difference between a cheap ass stick of ram, and an expensive Corsair XMS or otherwise stick - with both running the same numbers - is just a smidgen above meaningless.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

I fail to see why only is in quotes. 4 gb was practically low even when PS3 came out.

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Blah blah ect ect huh? Sony don't have nothing good for them. They should be thankful Microsoft showed them what next Generation tech is....

dysonlu
dysonlu

It needed two guys to write this pretty meaningless article?  LOL

pmamba45
pmamba45

4GB RAM? Pre-order Cancelled.

Hellhound30x
Hellhound30x

AND? The original Xbox 360 design called for 256 mbs of ram? Whats your point?

bzrigger
bzrigger

This is what I don't get - There are reports that the PS4 OS will consume up to 3.5GB of memory (with 1GB of memory that can be "borrowed" for games).  If the original plan was to only have 4GB of memory, that would only leave 500MB guaranteed for games plus the 1GB of "borrowed" memory.  So at most, games would get 1.5GB???  This makes absolutely no sense.

Either the OS footprint grew astronomically after choosing to put 8GB vs. 4GB in the sysem, the OS footprint amount is false, or they had always intended to put 8GB in the system.  So which is it?

bongsyas_23
bongsyas_23

ddr5 is going to make a whole lot of difference when it comes to high resolution gaming!

Viper9_QC
Viper9_QC

Xbox One have DDR3 RAM, not GDDR5 like the PS4. The architecture is not the same. But the RAM of the PS4 should be faster.

zman4372
zman4372

sony was forced by MS to match their memory size.  Waited till last second to match xbox1's memory and changed their policy on used games after witnessing the negative response generated by microsoft's inital policies.  Love microsoft for being the leader and taking the initiative while sony hangs in the background like a snake, reversing its policies and acting like they were not planning on implementing the same.  All these dbags complaining sony is game machine while xbox is not forgot the reason they chose ps2 over dreamcast:  inferior gaming machine ps2 could play dvd's while dreamcast could not lol. Xbone > gaystation.

cscarnell
cscarnell

hopefully this means PS4 will offer cross part chat as good as the 360s

gunzlingerbila
gunzlingerbila

Wow nice piece of journalism...Xbox also features 8 GB RAM. Dude is it intentional that you failed to mention ITS NOT DDR5?

zintarr
zintarr

@inscript 

Your math and logic is lacking.

$460 is the magic number for 1 bundle of joy and $520 is the magic number for 2. Also, no one wants the cameras for either system. Those that do are in the tiniest minority.

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

@Grenadeh Comment fail. Every knowledge PC gamer knows that DDR3 and GDDR5 memory pricing are not even remotely comparable. You realize that PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 that delivers 176GB/sec memory bandwidth? 8GB of GDDR5 is probably $100 right now at cost. Considering NV charges $50 to step up from 2GB to 4GB GTX770, 8GB of GDDR5 can't be cheap.

TechnoWarTiger
TechnoWarTiger

@Grenadeh Well, 4 gb was not low when then ps3 came out, it was pretty good! Second, these consoles can do a lot with 8 gb memory. A good example is uncharted 3, that game looks incredible, yet it plays on a system with 1/10th the power of the ps4 and 1/16th the RAM.  It's not as big of a jump that the PS2 - PS3 was, but some very awesome stuff will be coming our way :)

TechnoWarTiger
TechnoWarTiger

@pmamba45 It has 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM, it was going to have 4, but now it has 8. Many of the games are using around 4GB of RAM so they wouldn't have been possible without 8. Read the article idiot.

StickyJr1
StickyJr1

@bzrigger It seems to me that people don't understand that game consoles aren't Windows-based computers.  Windows is not the greatest at managing memory, but that doesn't mean other non-Windows devices have the same nature.

Each OS is unique in it's handling of system resources.  The difference between iOS and Android is a good example.  Apple releases iPhones with high quality, yet slightly older (and thus cheaper for Apple) components than the average Android phone.  Yet, the difference in performance between the two is largely unnoticable to the average user.

It's all about the quality of the system resources (memory, CPU, storage, battery) and the management of them.  No matter what angle you come at it from, the PS4 has 16x as much RAM, and 9x as much dedicated for games, as a PS3.  And don't forget that the GDDR5 is faster too...

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@bzrigger The article is pretty useless as it is. Unless we know when that decision was made (3 months ago or 5 years ago) it could mean anything.

Viper9_QC
Viper9_QC

First of all it's GDDR5 because it's the same kind of RAM that graphic card compagny's use. And for a performance stand point it will do nothing on third party games. But for the first party like Santa Monica Studio and Naughty Dog, they will use this extra bandwidth.

DKRises
DKRises

@robbiejones Anyone that understands the difference will. Apparently you do not.

GodOfSyn
GodOfSyn

@Viper9_QC 

You are right, but real world gains will probably be nil because I don't see next gen games having memory bandwidth as a bottleneck, but it definitely will not hurt and who knows maybe some titles will sap that bandwidth.  I haven't looked at the specs enough to know the bandwidth between each component, but I'd still bet that the bottleneck isn't the memory bandwidth in the new consoles.  My guess is that devs are used to programming for GDDR5 based graphics cards in the PC market.

gunzlingerbila
gunzlingerbila

@zman4372 hahahahha nice speech xpoop :P lead the way again back flipping spineless company :P

GodOfSyn
GodOfSyn

@zman4372 

Wow super fanboy huh? You do realize that Sony from the get go had these policies, and Microsoft from the beginning did not.  It's MS who reversed the decision after seeing how angry everyone got.  PS2 was also leagues better than the Dreamcast, I had both, and sold my Dreamcast to a friend so that I could get a PS2.  The PS2 is still the best selling console of all time.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@gunzlingerbila GDDR5. There is a difference. DDR4 hasn't even come out yet let alone DDR5. One is for brute forcing large amounts of data as quickly as possible (DDR3), one is for processing large amounts of smaller packets of data (GDDR5). Both are the same but both are different. They will add up to NOTHING being different in games. The only people who need to care about that are the developers.

inscript
inscript

Well it's suppose to be! People are looking at things wrong.. If your looking at these consoles as just a consoles with out the camera or the hardware, Your not looking for next gen cause all the next gen features are in the added on devices. Plz dont say the graphics is nextgen cause. These graphics been around. Plz dont say ps4 ddr5 is nextgen cause its not, you wouldn't be able to control it, for pc it would be nextgen because you have control over the hardware... So in that since lol most of y'all wouldn't understand the ram reason for being and how it benifits you.. all i am saying is, the features and the added on devices are the nextgen so when you have this debate learn to separate nextgen game players and buyers. General discussion !

gamemaven
gamemaven

@zintarr @inscript Your reading comprehension is lacking, he said it fine, you just don't get it. And also who says they're in the minority? You? Who can't even read right?

Blazen702
Blazen702

Lmfao. This was just announced. PS 4 only has 6 cores not 8 and only 4.5gbs of ram. Source is from http://ps4daily.com/2013/07/playstation-4-os-uses-3-5-gb-of-ram/ and in live demo it froze because it's not as powerful as they thought http://n4g.com/news/1359366/ps4-fails-to-respond-during-a-live-broadcast-on-japanese-tv-awkwardness-and-hilarity-ensue . Lmfao another update. Clearly states PS4 has same or less power the the X1. I'm loving this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory

whitefalkon
whitefalkon

@StickyJr1 @bzrigger"And don't forget that the GDDR5 is faster too..." Who the fuck would since that's all a certain group of people on here say ad nauseum.

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

@GodOfSyn @Viper9_QC Memory bandwidth is a major bottleneck for next gen games. Crysis 3 and Metro games are some of the best looking PC games are a perfect examples. Don't forget that the GPU in PS4 has a GPU that is 40-50% more powerful to begin with from a texture, pixel fill-rate and shader perspectives. Memory bandwidth is just 1 factor. You also have 18 vs. 12 compute units.

gunzlingerbila
gunzlingerbila

@Dannystaples14 @gunzlingerbila Last time I checked most games have separate files for textures. After all this is a gaming machine :D Anyways GDDR5 is expensive and PS4 is less expensive than xbox...so in the end it matters to the customers too.

jms020
jms020

@inscriptI would disagree with you. The next gen part of the console is the fact that it can (will be able to) run 1080p at 60 fps and in the future run 4k. Honestly being able to play games at higher quality than the previous gen is what truly makes next gen.

The eye and kinect were last gen features that were brought over into the new generation. What will most likely end up being "Next gen" will be virtual reality headsets either the Rift or ones credited by Sony and Microsoft. 

packman627
packman627

@Blazen702 rumors rumors and more rumors...because EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET IS PURE FACT!!!!!! sigh...

whitefalkon
whitefalkon

@Viper9_QCAnd only Sony fans have to spell out the difference every fucking time it's brought up even though they were the ones who brought it up.

Daywalker2K4
Daywalker2K4

@Viper9_QC Microsoft fans? Sony fans were saying this with the PS2 when the GC and Xbox were more powerful.  

Viper9_QC
Viper9_QC

You will buy an Xbox don't ya ? Only Micro$oft fans say this kind of things. 

gunzlingerbila
gunzlingerbila

@Dannystaples14 All those features of the xbox you listed are useless to me. I dont think the xbox will support my local language, cable TV or programming. We also dont have Netflix in Pakistan so there goes that.

I rarely watch TV as it is, only cricket matches of my country. So all these "software" add-ons are not of much value to me, I'm sure they wont be of use to 90% of the world.

XBOX IS MADE FOR AMERICANS...and only Americans.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@gunzlingerbila Yeah but you are getting less machine with the PS4. Xbox One and PS4 are essentially the same price, it is just the Xbox comes with Kinect. But the Xbox One also comes with arguably a more versatile operating system in that you get TV with it if you so want it, which some will. Plus you have about the same level of multimedia service like Netflix/Love Film and Skype or whatever. 

I will be getting a PS4 (probably around next June) but I would still say the Xbox One is giving more. GDDR5 RAM isn't on my priorities list and I doubt most of the gaming population which today consists of mainly casual and soft-core gamers (the ones who buy FIFA and COD once a year and that is it). I doubt those people know what RAM even is let alone care enough about the type in their console to detect the differences.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@sladakrobot I thought it was the other way round which is why GDDR5 is used in server stacks which handle independent transfers on a larger bank of memory or hardware, which means it is designed to handle each individual task individually rather than all at once.

Unlike DDR3 which is used in PCs where everything you do and everything that gets processed ends up being processed by the bank of hardware you have at your disposal. So if I fire up a game and open a bunch of word documents each thing piles its way into the RAM in your computer all at the same time. Which means the DDR3 needs to swallow a large amount of data all at once rather than tackle it in smaller pieces.

Like if I used GDDR5 the speed of the RAM would be independent of the number of processes up and until the working limit is reached. Unlike DDR3 which will slow gradually the more stuff you throw into the memory.