Nvidia says PC is a "far superior" gaming platform than PS4 and Xbox One

"Enthusiast players want the ultimate games system and that is the PC,” says Nvidia sales manager.

PC hardware manufacturer Nvidia says the PC is "far superior" to the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 as a gaming platform, and that small form-factor PCs should be a viable alternative to next-gen consoles.

“We are proposing small form-factor PCs to be a viable alternative to the next-gen consoles. Enthusiast players want the ultimate games system and that is the PC,” said Nvidia consumer sales manager Matt Wright in an interview with MCV.

“The PC platform is far superior to any console when it comes to gaming, plus you get all the extra functionality that a computer brings,” Wright added. Small PC gaming boxes are a major part of Valve's SteamOS push to get PC hardware in the living room, with the first Steam Machines expected to ship in 2014.

But what about about the complexity of building and maintaining a gaming PC compared to the next-gen consoles? According to Wright, Nvidia's part in the current PC market is “to make PC gaming as simple as possible, and we think that it already becoming much more relevant and appealing to casual gamers,” said Wright.

“Steam now has more users than Xbox Live," he added. "There is a whole new generation who grew up playing on PC with titles like Minecraft or World of Tanks. There’s a huge community who love playing their games on PC.”

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BallOBaseSimmer
BallOBaseSimmer

A PC isn't held hostage to update firmware for forced obsolescence that bricks your old gen console and renders your game collection old hat while you're made to get the latest hardware and pay another small fortune to build a new one. If you have old favorite games, you can play them forever on a PC and you are not forced to play online for monthly fees. The personal computer has always been an option alternative vs. a fickle gaming market in profit motive based flux. Back in the 80s when the console boom went bust due to a cheap kiddie quality saturation glut, the PC saved the day with superior performance and better games. And it'll do so again when fanboys get tired of console consumer manipulation. The console's business model keeps you paying more for less that won't last. But with the PC, you have a gaming safety net. When the console biz keeps reinventing itself to pick your pocket, you'll always have your PC games to fall back on.

   

onkelflexus
onkelflexus

Next-gen consoles is no more than a box of dated pc hardware now as the moved to x86.
And by that we can compair the consoles directrly with a PC because they use the same agritecture.They also use the same graphical API as PC, Direct-X. So that is nex-gen for you guys a console with dated hardware.
They games struggels to run good on them because of that and you guys are talking about optimization? If we look at e.g. Assassins creed 4. At launch it is in 900P and a patch for 1080P, that does not look good on a 73" TV. The game is locked at 30 FPS, so that is going to make it a good experience? It is a lag feast in it self and the tv puts even more lag into it. Try gaming on a system with a sceen that outputs 120hz and you will never go back to your console and TV. This game has a lot of exclusive effects on pc delivered by Nvidia. What do you console heads think all game are developed on? Do you think it is made on the console? I can get the SDK for PS4 or Xbone and make games on the PC and even run the game in realtime on the PC as it was on a console. As MS did on E3 ran the games on a PC. So this does not tell you anything? That the games for the console could run on a PC running windows, running xbone or PS4 OS at same time and the PC just eats it easy. Everything is tuned down so the console could run the game at 720P at 30 FPS max and even then it has frame drops. Oh, yes that would be the greates way to play a game in 2014? Ok, if you think so you are not gamers but no brainers that don`t need performance because your brains are so slow that it is not capabel to picke up lag and that 30 FPS is smooth for you and give you a great experience. So why do you even try to say that a console is better to game on than a PC? It could never be, the PC is always the base and mother of every game you are playing, you just get a tune down crappy bleached version of a game that you never would see how it was meant to be. Have fun with your consoles and read the reviews where they are going under the hood. There is nothing next gen in those consoles, that is 4K and the consoles is not deliver more than current gen. Same resolutions and same crappy FPS and people want to buy that again and stick with the limitations for another 10 years. Don`t you see you look like fools that don`t understand the base of the concept. So good luck with that shit for 10 more years.

ahpuck
ahpuck

Superior, Yes. Far superior, I don't know. There very few games you can't make on consoles. Plus, consoles have exclusives PCs only dream about.

ritsukoblue
ritsukoblue

If you want the best in graphics and have the MONEY! yes!

Dnaisinmybody
Dnaisinmybody

PC is great but also has many downfalls. Mainly due to horrible ports and the fact that they use piracy as an excuse to punish only those who pay for games even though piracy actually helps the market. 

ggregd
ggregd

Executive Summary of Comments:  Many console gamers trying to convince themselves that size doesn't matter.

theKSMM
theKSMM

As usual, GameStop readers miss the point...


I like NVIDIA, but they kinda have to say this type of stuff since they got booted out of both (all?) the consoles in this coming generation.  Without any royalties from console sales to lean on, NVIDIA is gonna have to kill it in the PC market to stay afloat.

SyDias
SyDias

Nvidia is stating a fact that has been accepted since the inception of a video game. It's almost like saying, ' driving in a car is faster than walking... ' No sh8t, really? :)

joshua6775
joshua6775

In terms of graphical output, maybe.  The thing is, most PC games are just LAME. Keyboard/mouse/hot key/qued gaming is weak. Sitting in a chair looking at a 24 inch monitor is weak.  I have a 73 inch HDTV with 7.1 surround for gaming. I may not have the pixel count as some AlienWare geek buddies I know, but I wouldn't trade my setup for any of theirs, not now, not ever.  Look down your noses all you need to PC snobs, look at the $$$$$ generated at the end of the day and see which one is superior; Console or PC. Now go back and play WoW with the panda bears before your mom realizes you're still a virgin, you still live with her, don't you??

redbat32
redbat32

Im not going to sit here and type a paragraph of bullshit but its simple pc will always be superior to play xbox or ps it was designed with computers built with computer componets

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

Well there is no arguing that the pc is the far superior platform, BUT .....

That is not what everyone wants. Consoles are much easier, simpler and has some of the best games out there hands down. For every argument I or any other pc fanboy can make: the fact is if you look out your front door.  (no really get up and look out your front door) count about 20 homes up and 20 homes down (apartments, trailers, whatever). Now count all of the people who can or will be able to make a gaming pc, or even do the maintenance and up keep of a gaming pc, and games mostly played on them. Count all of the single moms, separated dads, young/old, smart, stupid, grandparents etc. Now how many of them can realistically keep, use, maintain a gaming pc rig and the games. 

Now do the same thing again 20 homes up and 20 homes down- how many can run a console. Single mom buys a game at walmart - doesn't have to worry about minimum specs, updates, bios, etc etc. she just throws the game at her kids and knows it will make them happy for quite a while. Hell even I who has built gaming pc rigs since 98', prefer many games on console then pc. 

There will always be a home for pc and console - tablets, phones, mobile - may change the landscape but not change the GAME. 

walterg74
walterg74

Back in the 80s the pcs saved the day? Wow... You clearly weren't around at that time...

walterg74
walterg74

Your comment about games for other platforms being developed on pc is one of the most idiotic ones I've seen... The pc is nothing more than a tool there for writing and obtaining the code, just like they do for so many other devices. That means squat...

Eraldus
Eraldus

An awesome pc can be upgraded slowly, so, it won't end up costing more... Unlike a console that you have to pay the full price right away... This argument about PC costing more is just plain stupid

pyro1245
pyro1245

@Dnaisinmybody the horrible ports are at least as good as the regular game, just sadly not better when they could be.

walterg74
walterg74

While most PC gamers spend all their cash building a giant rig to overcompensate for their small sizes...

jellyman68
jellyman68

@theKSMM You've got it the wrong way around. They weren't booted out of the consoles, they refused to have their hardware inside the consoles.

meatz666
meatz666

@theKSMM So, Nvidia never needed console money... Now, all of a sudden, it'll have to "kill it in the PC market to stay afloat". Nvidia might be older than you, I suppose.

Zevvion
Zevvion

@SyDias No, it has always been opinion and therefor it's incredibly stupid. What is gaming about to you? Graphics? Load times? Or... perhaps... just perhaps... playing games?


If it's playing games, then any platform can be superior for you as a person. Where the games you love the most are only available on: that's probably the most superior platform for you. It can be PC, but it doesn't have to be. It's not for me and it never was. I always liked my SNES, PSX, PS2, 360, PS3 and 3DS more. 

sirchick
sirchick

@joshua6775 you failed one on part.. my job uses a computer so i make profit with my PC from the software i produce. And when i have free time i spend it playing games on a profit making machine :)

The computer industry makes many many more $ than consoles...unless you're referring to the game industry specifically... but you fail to realise a PC is not just for games.

souldomain1984
souldomain1984

@joshua6775

"I may not have the pixel count as some AlienWare geek buddies"

AlienWare? What geek would buy a PC from AlienWare? We build our own machines and that's a whole load of fun you guys are missing. ^^

SipahSalar
SipahSalar

@joshua6775 Buy a good gaming laptop (if you can afford it)  like i have. You can get a PS4 controller for $59 and get the same feel. You can play it on your 73 inch, you can play it in your toilet,  you can play it while waiting for your flight at the airport.

sahim333
sahim333

@joshua6775  i guess u never seen a gaming pc in your life lol. wake up man. do u actually understand what is a computer?? consoles are nothing but crap similar to calculator where you can do only few things. its stupidity to compare with each other as computers dont have any fixed specification. you can make it as big as a super computer if you want to. but a calculator will remain calculator for rest of its life unless you buy something else instead. lol. the idea of console came from pc n its just a fraction of pc for people who are not smart enough to use pc. n dont shit about the cool games about console it has nothing to do with the performance. just coz some people dont release game for pc doesnt make pc look weaker thn console but its only coz they have contract wit the console company or simply they dont want people to spread pirated game.  

Darion350
Darion350

@joshua6775 Wow, dude.  You sound like a PC user pissed in your Wheaties this morning. Why don't you come down off of your high horse and join the rest of us.

styymy
styymy

@joshua6775 You do realize that you can play just about any PC game with a controller instead of a keyboard right?

SyDias
SyDias

@joshua6775 (I can do this too.) I have my PC utilizing 4 Titans in Quad SLI hooked up to my brand new 84 inch 4k TV (cost me $39,999.) The TV is complimented with a Bose HDTV threatre system. Its like gaming, while sitting in the Lux Level of Showcase Cinema. I believe this system won't be matched by consoles for the next 3 or 4 generations - thus making your little setup which likely doesn't exist a joke. By the way, enjoy using those pay to win features of your new consoles too... chump lol.

shreddyz
shreddyz

@joshua6775 You're sort of over generalizing, aren't you? Since when has playing any video game EVER been cool? play whatever platform you like.







no pandas were insulted in this comment.

arqe
arqe

@jenovaschilld But at the same time isnt it a bit suspicious PC got more players than Console ? I mean only Steam using people is around 55 million.

World of Warcraft - World of Tanks , League of Legens , Dota , Heroes of Newerth or any other Online gamer doesnt even use Steam because they dont need to.

PC got more gamers than consoles , so please ...

Also "Best games out there hands down" ? What is "Best Game Definition" ?

Is God of War better than Total War ? Or Halo better than Dota ? What is your definition of Best games ?

Looks like its "Only games i played" is the best games for you.

souldomain1984
souldomain1984

@jenovaschilld  

“That is not what everyone wants. “

And I don't want Jess McDonell because I know I can't have her. ><

I just don't get the point of your “but”. Because nobody  ever said, that every fool who walks on this Earth is supposed to be a part of the glorious PC gaming master race.

“There will always be a home for pc and console - tablets, phones, mobile - may change the landscape but not change the GAME.  “

You are right about all that having its place in our world. But I do disagree that the landscape doesn't shape the game. Because the landscape is that what we walk upon. So don't make a mom who plays on phone equal to a geek chick that plays on a PC. This doesn't compute. The experience is after all different. And that's all about. Just because it being called “gaming”, it is simply not the same.

So, if you want to call yourself gamers. Just do it. Because technical of course that's the case. But, please. Don't pretend you are better and think you can start a peasant revolt. Nobody cares about what you like or prefer. It is how about thinks really are. As you said: “Well there is no arguing that the pc is the far superior platform ” … a superior platform for superior people and their superior gaming stuff. That's my point. And I would say that's the whole idea of the glorious PC gaming master race. :D

BallOBaseSimmer
BallOBaseSimmer

Back when most titles were for kiddie consoles and the market tanked due to poor tinker toy graphics, after Nintendo PC games were a big part of gaming's comeback. This part of history brought to you by research in Computer Gaming Magazine. 1981-2006

BallOBaseSimmer
BallOBaseSimmer

So, do you just not like PC games or were you sent here for damage control by the console companies? LOL!

walterg74
walterg74

Yes, and the. You will play the games with all their detail when they're already 3-5 years old... Thanks, but in the meantime i'll have the full and fun experience on my inferior console...

ElFlechero
ElFlechero

@Eraldus Thinking that something doesn't cost as much because you pay for it in pieces is just plain stupid. Seriously, the discussion about consoles/PCs aside, if product A costs $500 in one $500 chunk, and product B costs $1,000 but you pay for it in 4 chunks of $250, B still costs more! Even if you pay $1 a day for 1,000 days, it's still more expensive! There's not really an argument to be had.

walterg74
walterg74

Oh please... That is the stupidest argument ever , backed by software companies to justifiy their incompetence and their greed...

McGregor
McGregor

@jcknapier711 I'll agree with you here,  Piracy doesn't help the market. It also doesn't hurt it as bad as they say it does.


Simple fact is that a person who goes out of their way to download a game, wasn't going to pay for it to begin with.


I used to pirate games (back when pirating was copying your friends version of "Descent/Dune 2/you get the idea"), but the reality is that pirating isn't legal, and I try to keep it legal. Sure these companies can make a ton of money, and not have the best business ethics, but they are businesses, and in it to make money. Just because they make a lot of it doesn't mean you get to steal from them.

Eraldus
Eraldus

0/10 bad troll is bad

Dnaisinmybody
Dnaisinmybody

@jcknapier711 It's really not that simple. I've been following the subject for years now and it turns out that pirates do more legal business than anyone else. I have downloaded terrabytes of pirated stuff over the years but without that I would'nt have bought legally even an eight of the stuff I have.

Most pirates believe strongly in voting with their money. The gaming companies use piracy as an excuse really and the thing is I think they're starting to realize it. I think that's why they're starting to put effort back into PC games. To top it off, the only people who where truly getting punished where those who actually paid for the games. No pirates ever had a DRM problem lol

Dnaisinmybody
Dnaisinmybody

@pyro1245 @Dnaisinmybody Not really. Many of them are far worst than that. I played more than my share of PC games in the past to know. Recently though it seems to be getting much better. 

jcknapier711
jcknapier711

Well...  Fact is that AMD is now the defacto video game graphics company.  Think about this: because AMD chips are in every console, every game developer is going to optimize its games for AMD graphics cards.  Nvidia is going to take it up the rear in the coming years if SteamOS doesn't catch on in a big way.


Put it another way, the staple money maker of gaming since the NES has been consoles.  If you're a game dev, why bother optimizing for nvidia if that's only a fraction of your user base?  Game devs have already stopped paying a whole lot of attention to optimizing PC games in general.

sirchick
sirchick

@meatz666 @theKSMM don't the console's have AMD chips ? So its in nvidia's interest to push the PC hard to make AMD fall behind.

The only way i think Nvidia can push AMD down is to lower their prices to match AMD. Or jump a huge amount in GPU power to make consoles look outdated faster...i suspect the latter will be their preferred method.

walterg74
walterg74

Yeah, I'm sure alienware is bankrupt because of all the geniuses building pcs...

walterg74
walterg74

Beside re-learning how to write/type/speak I guess you should also learn that consoles also have piracy, except for the ones that just came out...

theKSMM
theKSMM

@styymy Shhh...don't tell them that.  It will only confuse them.

fnevaeva
fnevaeva

@SyDias BTW, you do realize how much cheaper we are getting our gaming setup right? I mean, $2,000(assuming $500 each/console) plus another $2000 for a good tv. That's only 4grand plus all the exclusives we are getting on game consoles. I don't see how that's better unless you buy the gaming consoles and use them on the epic tv which I do applaud you for.

AnonymousSquid
AnonymousSquid

@SyDias Yet, if a probe could be planted in one's head, after the 'wow' factor faded, we'd see that most console gamers and more humble PC gamers, while sucked into their game, have as much fun as you on your uber system.

walterg74
walterg74

Do you know how many of those millions of players actually play games that require super high end specs..?

souldomain1984
souldomain1984

@arqe

It seems I'm not very informed. Because, I always thought the are far more console gamers. ><

Kinda sad if you think about that. I won't be able to force this down their throats anymore: “There are only a few kings. But many, many peasants.” :(

But, it is OK.

“Also "Best games out there hands down" ? What is "Best Game Definition" ? ”

Maybe somebody should tell him that we have more exclusives than the consoles. And I read often enough that the quality of those PC games is quite good and innovative as well.

But I can only assume they over hype and overrate their few games because they simply don't have anything more than a few titles themselves.

walterg74
walterg74

I love PC games (just what you're calling "pc games" are not "pc games", they're just multiplatform games also available on pc... ). I playing game in general, on everything, and have all current platforms, and almost al past platforms. Liking pc games does not turn me into a pc fanboy idiot, like it shouldn't to anyone...

ElFlechero
ElFlechero

@McGregor @ElFlechero @Eraldus Yes, that the PC version of new games being usually cheaper makes a difference, but for me at least that's pretty much negated by used games. I generally buy games several months after they're out, usually for about $5-15. I can't do that with PC games because of CD keys, DRM etc. especially because then I can't go and sell it after I'm done. I'll only keep it if it's become a new favorite, generally if it has great local multiplayer. So console gaming has been a lot cheaper for me. That's not for everybody though.

McGregor
McGregor

@ElFlechero @Eraldus This is true, but if you say that product B costs $1000 over 10 years, and product A costs $500 over 8 years (requiring another $500 after), then you break even.


The PC/console price argument has been debated for a long time. I can tell you right now that in the 1 year of owning my PC, it has cost me less compared to my console just because new releases are generally $10-$20 cheaper (if pre-ordered). Throw in the steam summer sale and humble bundle deals in comparison to buying used games and it's way cheaper. Yes, there are some games I buy during the sale that I wouldn't normally buy, but I don't count those as savings, just a perk of not having backward compatibility issues.